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What I quickly figured out was that I needed a variable plate cell to widen the gap so I could take the voltage up on the variac. But that didn't stop me, I jacked up the volts anyways. It still current limited itself, but the water started heating. (need bigger gap)

The interesting thing was that the tiny scr never even got warm. Quite bizarre I must say. You would never think it would work.





Hi Hard Krome.
What choke  and cell you used , and what voltage you reached when water started heating, tell please?
Thank for sharing and ansver.
andy

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Hi Hard Krome.
What choke  and cell you used , and what voltage you reached when water started heating, tell please?
Thank for sharing and ansver.
andy

If I told you what I used, then you would make the same mistakes I did wouldn't you?. Make A variable plate cell and use the 8xa circuit posted on this site.   Make that thing work right first,  When you get it current limiting, then move to the next step.
I figured out the scr 5yrs ago btw. Im working on something better.

We do not know exactly how circuit one was built, its gone. the 8xa is the closest thing to it. It is archaic but it will work along with the variable plate cell to figure out the whole thing. 

The water heats because the electrons need removed.  You convert their energy by way of resistance, converting that into an electromagnetic field that magnetizes a core, that creates a pulse which goes back into the cell. You do not burn a light bulb.

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Hi Hard Krome.
What choke  and cell you used , and what voltage you reached when water started heating, tell please?
Thank for sharing and ansver.
andy

If I told you what I used, then you would make the same mistakes I did wouldn't you?. Make A variable plate cell and use the 8xa circuit posted on this site.   Make that thing work right first,  When you get it current limiting, then move to the next step.
I figured out the scr 5yrs ago btw. Im working on something better.

We do not know exactly how circuit one was built, its gone. the 8xa is the closest thing to it. It is archaic but it will work along with the variable plate cell to figure out the whole thing. 

The water heats because the electrons need removed.  You convert their energy by way of resistance, converting that into an electromagnetic field that magnetizes a core, that creates a pulse which goes back into the cell. You do not burn a light bulb.

What size of the choke and cell must be to kommutate the scr? I dont have variable plate cell
Please told me what you used. I want do it current limiting.
Thanks
andy

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The circuit is fairly simple. like Meyers patent circuit. I think the key is the holding current on the scr.
The choke should be able to commutate the scr off.

When I first did it, I used a variac with a bridge an scr and a choke.
When I would turn on the scr, it would bleed the current across the cell and lock in at full current. (then its impossible to shut it off)
The scr would blow or I would kick out the main breaker in the house. I went thru a pile of scr's I got from work.

Then I remembered I had ordered some off the internet, I put one of them in and presto, the damn thing worked, It was so fast the mains couldn't detect any current draw. I even soldered a piece of 37ga wire across a blown fuse and put that in the variac, it never blew.

What I quickly figured out was that I needed a variable plate cell to widen the gap so I could take the voltage up on the variac. But that didn't stop me, I jacked up the volts anyways. It still current limited itself, but the water started heating. (need bigger gap)

The interesting thing was that the tiny scr never even got warm. Quite bizarre I must say. You would never think it would work.

So I then learned that the frequency of the voltage needed to be adjustable for the tiny cell.

I figured that if I smoothed the DC voltage and pulsed it thru a transistor to the scr, I would be able to control the frequency and the commutation of the scr.

You can use a 555 or a 4047 with a opto coupler  to pulse the voltage going to the scr . Then run another 555 thru an opto coupler to the scr, when it fires, the gate pulse from it will hold the scr down and let the pulses thru it, The choke will self commutate and keep shutting it off between frequency pulses (your 50% duty cycle frequency pulses)  Very simply, you can take the Dave Lawton circuit separate the outputs and run them thru opto couplers.

Now the scr I used was a S4006LS2 from futurlec. I used the 4010 version when I pulsed the voltage. Its a very small scr TO220 case. Don't let size deceive you, because your not really drawing anything but milliamps thru it. Think of the positive choke like its a spring, when the scr closes the Self Inductance field forms around the choke,(its compressed) you want to turn that scr off just as it forms. If it shuts off in time the power supply dosent see a current draw.

If you use an adjustable plate cell, you can figure out the choke sizing and cell sizing really fast. Naturally there is going to be heat where there is water breaking apart, you can remove that with a 3-23 transformer connected to the cell also or try to burn a light bulb. It should pulse itself and run out of phase with the scr circuit, because its secondarys connected backwards. The amplitude at which you pulse the primary on the 3-23 will determine the amplitude of the overall circuit, because the 3-23 secondary is nothing but a variable resistor between the cell.   

So, lets add up all the gaps on Meyers 10 tube cells?.  That number will be the total gap distance on the single plate variable cell, which means he had a high voltage going to the cells. lets not kid ourselves, we can see the heavy gauge wire connected in series to that setup. Being connected in series also lowers the capacitance of the cells.

Also, if he is breaking all that water apart, where is the EEC circuit?.  Its the 3-23. It also unloads the positive choke. 

Overall, to run that setup on the dune buggy Circuit One needs to be figured out more precisely. That we do not have. Im guessing that it also ran on a PLL and the frequency of the voltage to the scr was adjusted automatically and power came from an alternator.

I think that the 10 cells can be eliminated to one cell and one EEC. I think Stan didn't want people to see how easy it was being done.

http://share.pdfonline.com/5ae59a0009f44562b8c325f6045f67fb/commutation.htm
See Class (A)........ Add 3-23 transformer in place of (R) .

Water becomes part of the circuit. The electrons get pulled from the water, before the electrons from the circuit can pass thru the water. The resistance of the 3-23 chokes play a very big part in this. 75ohms a piece. Does that ring a bell with Stan mentioning the resistance of water all the time.  In the NZ video he even mentions re-routing Electrons around the Cell.

The 3-23 dosent give a pulse until the magnetic field is removed from it, remember its being charged up by Circuit 1. The amplitude on the primary is controlling the magnetic field, that is opposing the current thru the chokes from circuit 1.(simply put) The 3-23 core controls how much the chokes induct..

Hi HardKromo,

I am interested in the SCR schematic that you use.
Do you want to share this?

Steve

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Im working on putting something together. Here it is so far, Its thrown together from various circuits. But this is the basic idea.
There are lots of variables to play with, you can try a 555 to pulse the voltage, but you cant go over 70% duty without drawing current thru the low side.(maybe I will change that)  You can use the 8xa circuit for a reference. or even modify it.

On my circuit, I will add another scr and invert the 555 signal to it. That way you can run the EEC.

Im thinking of using a p channel mosfet to pulse the voltage.  I used a 200v darlington .

Please don't waste your time making this unless you have a variable plate cell. If you don't have one make one. or else You will hit a voltage limit and just turn the cell into a water heater. (or use 24" tube cells like Meyer did)

Electron removal. I think this is the best and second best way to do it. I used a glass sealed heating element. 12v 25w was all I had laying around. It got hot, and that's what you want, it did keep the water cool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_cathode

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Hi members,

I received a reply on my email request of Edward Mitchel.
Please read for your selfs.
I asked him if he could provide me or us, with a video with the 2 VIC transformers in full working condition.
That way he can prove his words he is saying in his video.
I personally would love to see lots of gas coming out of his two HV coils.
If thats the case, Edward might be on to something.
Till then, we have to wait..
Anyway, its always nice to read that everybody in the HHO business is still coming back to read on this beautifull forum  . They all do.

Steve


Hi Steve,

Looks like the transformer will be repaired soon so TGS is moving
right along now. Do you have any questions about the theory given in
the video and are to giving some of what was talked about a try?

I read the thread where the interview video was posted and can see
that the thread has turned away from the content of the video. It
looks like you have two or more people working for the oil companies
best interest in your forum. Now that the science part of this
technology is out of the bag these types of people have been following
the video with a known negative ad campaign designed to deter people
from ever giving the science a try and it seems to be working despite
them seeing high voltages being applied to a water fuel capacitor for
the very first time ever in a documentable way.

TGS will be pushing forwards alone if it must as the video of the
science behind this technology is out now and it will be up to the
individual to find it within themselves to give the science that was
freely given in the video a try. You know the old saying, "You can
take a horse to water but you can't make it drink."

As far as our past goes I am the one you know as h2opower. Now I have
a company of my own that should be putting this technology to market
sometime in 2014. It took me a while to get at the science behind the
patents but as you can see I kept my promise and make a video giving
the science behind the technology away, while at the same time
retaining all of my designs, artwork, and creativity for the company.
A promise is a promise and as you can see I fulfilled this promise I
made so long ago while on your forum. I say this so that you will see
and know I am a man of my word.

Take care,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

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Eds a funny guy,

As we all know he is applying alternating voltage to his cell which = alternating current... The high voltage he gets is from purified water.. A bunch of cells in series you get increased resistance and you get decreased capacitance.. allowing these types of voltage difference to occur across a series type load.. In his set up you can go ahead and divide the max voltage by the number of cells and that will be the total voltage to each cell.. so if he has +2kv across 10 cells he actually has 200 volts per cell..
We all know AC voltage will have another sort of loss due to its nature of rotating the molecules... so a lot more power will be going to heating them during the depolarizing and reverse polarizing process involved with AC power.. Same type of losses that occur in magnetic cores..  Ed would need +20kv to even begin reaching what Stan labeled as the threshold for molecule elongation.. this is whats needed for a series of 10 cells to each have 2kv...

Just my viewpoints on this situation..

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you know what stan didn't broken the molecule the way he describes..

he didn't created the ionization.. it just happened

in my understanding stan polarized the molecule, this summing with the conditions of the unipolar pulses turns off the covalent bound.

i can't say anything over because i dint finished it... but i would not lose my time into others theories... look at it your own theories! probably will go farther!