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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2013, 00:19:01 am »
I have not seen or heard of any legitimate replication either. None of them have ever offered any insight into what takes place when this resonance is reached. Major noticeable and unexplainable things occur when it happens.

The stuff Stan mentions in the memos are spot on accurate. He would never ever reveal how he cracked the water with voltage. All of the crap he put out was for public consumption and for the thieves who would want to cash in on him.

That stuff is nothing but high efficiency electrolysis.  If that is what people seek, then they need to do their switching from the high side of the circuit with an scr at 150v - 200v. 50% duty.  If the voltage is pulsed before going thru the scr by a transistor, the current limiting can be done very accurately between the transistor pulse, the scr and the positive choke resonating. You can see on the scope the pulse ending and the scr shutting off.

You better also plan on having an EEC because you will pull out electrons at an almost 8:1 ratio of whats being consumed on the low side. So one amp of consumption on the low side, will result in at least 8amps worth of electrons coming into the positive choke.

While we are at it, we can make a 3-23 transformer with a PLL circuit, that can take those electrons and use them to magnetize a core and create an extra pulse, it will pick up the pulse from the first circuit, Charge and fire between cycles at the frequency of the first circuit.  Why would I burn a damn light bulb when I can make an extra pulse!!!. That is so misleading. This is why the secondary is wired backwards on the 3-23. The electrons cluster between the negative choke and the positive side of the secondary that is connected backwards. this is also why the coils are all about the same size. So you can make an extra pulse with it or reroute the electrons thru it while the first circuit is firing. That's a matter of phasing. And may create an imbalance.

If the high side is fast enough, it wont see any current being consumed. The scr is the only thing I have found fast enough. PS, Stan wants you to lock the current across the water before it shuts off. But if you pulse the filtered DC voltage you can shut it off anyways. However you should want to have the positive choke resonance commutate it.



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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2013, 05:30:47 am »
I have not seen or heard of any legitimate replication either. None of them have ever offered any insight into what takes place when this resonance is reached. Major noticeable and unexplainable things occur when it happens.

The stuff Stan mentions in the memos are spot on accurate. He would never ever reveal how he cracked the water with voltage. All of the crap he put out was for public consumption and for the thieves who would want to cash in on him.

That stuff is nothing but high efficiency electrolysis.  If that is what people seek, then they need to do their switching from the high side of the circuit with an scr at 150v - 200v. 50% duty.  If the voltage is pulsed before going thru the scr by a transistor, the current limiting can be done very accurately between the transistor pulse, the scr and the positive choke resonating. You can see on the scope the pulse ending and the scr shutting off.

You better also plan on having an EEC because you will pull out electrons at an almost 8:1 ratio of whats being consumed on the low side. So one amp of consumption on the low side, will result in at least 8amps worth of electrons coming into the positive choke.

While we are at it, we can make a 3-23 transformer with a PLL circuit, that can take those electrons and use them to magnetize a core and create an extra pulse, it will pick up the pulse from the first circuit, Charge and fire between cycles at the frequency of the first circuit.  Why would I burn a damn light bulb when I can make an extra pulse!!!. That is so misleading. This is why the secondary is wired backwards on the 3-23. The electrons cluster between the negative choke and the positive side of the secondary that is connected backwards. this is also why the coils are all about the same size. So you can make an extra pulse with it or reroute the electrons thru it while the first circuit is firing. That's a matter of phasing. And may create an imbalance.

If the high side is fast enough, it wont see any current being consumed. The scr is the only thing I have found fast enough. PS, Stan wants you to lock the current across the water before it shuts off. But if you pulse the filtered DC voltage you can shut it off anyways. However you should want to have the positive choke resonance commutate it.

Adys you are right Ed Mitchell is full of shit, period !!
He has nothing, but hey give him money he is doing the scientific method....LOL   what a scam....lol..ha ha ha

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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2013, 08:12:41 am »
I will add a little more.

I guess people cant figure out that Stan switched the circuit off so fast that the current couldn't cross the water. The key is to make the self inductance of the chokes cut off the scr before the current can cross the water.

 You cant use unfiltered DC unless you have the adjustable plate cell, because you cant take the 120hz voltage higher with a narrow gap, only way around that is to keep switching in more tubes. That makes the gap wider.

The other way I came up with is what I describe above. Filtered DC -> Transistor pulsing at cell frequency  -> scr -> choke. The scr turns on with your gate pulse shared with the EEC.

Don't waste your time with mosfets they bleed the current across the cell. The method I describe, is failsafe. The SCR will turn off regardless of the choke commutating it. and with the scope you can time it perfect.


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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2013, 14:22:01 pm »
Seb:

I've often thought that about mosfets.  Can you share your scr circuit for me to replicate?  public or private, thanks much again

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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2013, 05:04:53 am »
The circuit is fairly simple. like Meyers patent circuit. I think the key is the holding current on the scr.
The choke should be able to commutate the scr off.

When I first did it, I used a variac with a bridge an scr and a choke.
When I would turn on the scr, it would bleed the current across the cell and lock in at full current. (then its impossible to shut it off)
The scr would blow or I would kick out the main breaker in the house. I went thru a pile of scr's I got from work.

Then I remembered I had ordered some off the internet, I put one of them in and presto, the damn thing worked, It was so fast the mains couldn't detect any current draw. I even soldered a piece of 37ga wire across a blown fuse and put that in the variac, it never blew.

What I quickly figured out was that I needed a variable plate cell to widen the gap so I could take the voltage up on the variac. But that didn't stop me, I jacked up the volts anyways. It still current limited itself, but the water started heating. (need bigger gap)

The interesting thing was that the tiny scr never even got warm. Quite bizarre I must say. You would never think it would work.

So I then learned that the frequency of the voltage needed to be adjustable for the tiny cell.

I figured that if I smoothed the DC voltage and pulsed it thru a transistor to the scr, I would be able to control the frequency and the commutation of the scr.

You can use a 555 or a 4047 with a opto coupler  to pulse the voltage going to the scr . Then run another 555 thru an opto coupler to the scr, when it fires, the gate pulse from it will hold the scr down and let the pulses thru it, The choke will self commutate and keep shutting it off between frequency pulses (your 50% duty cycle frequency pulses)  Very simply, you can take the Dave Lawton circuit separate the outputs and run them thru opto couplers.

Now the scr I used was a S4006LS2 from futurlec. I used the 4010 version when I pulsed the voltage. Its a very small scr TO220 case. Don't let size deceive you, because your not really drawing anything but milliamps thru it. Think of the positive choke like its a spring, when the scr closes the Self Inductance field forms around the choke,(its compressed) you want to turn that scr off just as it forms. If it shuts off in time the power supply dosent see a current draw.

If you use an adjustable plate cell, you can figure out the choke sizing and cell sizing really fast. Naturally there is going to be heat where there is water breaking apart, you can remove that with a 3-23 transformer connected to the cell also or try to burn a light bulb. It should pulse itself and run out of phase with the scr circuit, because its secondarys connected backwards. The amplitude at which you pulse the primary on the 3-23 will determine the amplitude of the overall circuit, because the 3-23 secondary is nothing but a variable resistor between the cell.   

So, lets add up all the gaps on Meyers 10 tube cells?.  That number will be the total gap distance on the single plate variable cell, which means he had a high voltage going to the cells. lets not kid ourselves, we can see the heavy gauge wire connected in series to that setup. Being connected in series also lowers the capacitance of the cells.

Also, if he is breaking all that water apart, where is the EEC circuit?.  Its the 3-23. It also unloads the positive choke. 

Overall, to run that setup on the dune buggy Circuit One needs to be figured out more precisely. That we do not have. Im guessing that it also ran on a PLL and the frequency of the voltage to the scr was adjusted automatically and power came from an alternator.

I think that the 10 cells can be eliminated to one cell and one EEC. I think Stan didn't want people to see how easy it was being done.

http://share.pdfonline.com/5ae59a0009f44562b8c325f6045f67fb/commutation.htm
See Class (A)........ Add 3-23 transformer in place of (R) .

Water becomes part of the circuit. The electrons get pulled from the water, before the electrons from the circuit can pass thru the water. The resistance of the 3-23 chokes play a very big part in this. 75ohms a piece. Does that ring a bell with Stan mentioning the resistance of water all the time.  In the NZ video he even mentions re-routing Electrons around the Cell.

The 3-23 dosent give a pulse until the magnetic field is removed from it, remember its being charged up by Circuit 1. The amplitude on the primary is controlling the magnetic field, that is opposing the current thru the chokes from circuit 1.(simply put) The 3-23 core controls how much the chokes induct..


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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2013, 13:18:10 pm »
The circuit is fairly simple. like Meyers patent circuit. I think the key is the holding current on the scr.
The choke should be able to commutate the scr off.

When I first did it, I used a variac with a bridge an scr and a choke.
When I would turn on the scr, it would bleed the current across the cell and lock in at full current. (then its impossible to shut it off)
The scr would blow or I would kick out the main breaker in the house. I went thru a pile of scr's I got from work.

Then I remembered I had ordered some off the internet, I put one of them in and presto, the damn thing worked, It was so fast the mains couldn't detect any current draw. I even soldered a piece of 37ga wire across a blown fuse and put that in the variac, it never blew.

What I quickly figured out was that I needed a variable plate cell to widen the gap so I could take the voltage up on the variac. But that didn't stop me, I jacked up the volts anyways. It still current limited itself, but the water started heating. (need bigger gap)

The interesting thing was that the tiny scr never even got warm. Quite bizarre I must say. You would never think it would work.

So I then learned that the frequency of the voltage needed to be adjustable for the tiny cell.

I figured that if I smoothed the DC voltage and pulsed it thru a transistor to the scr, I would be able to control the frequency and the commutation of the scr.

You can use a 555 or a 4047 with a opto coupler  to pulse the voltage going to the scr . Then run another 555 thru an opto coupler to the scr, when it fires, the gate pulse from it will hold the scr down and let the pulses thru it, The choke will self commutate and keep shutting it off between frequency pulses (your 50% duty cycle frequency pulses)  Very simply, you can take the Dave Lawton circuit separate the outputs and run them thru opto couplers.

Now the scr I used was a S4006LS2 from futurlec. I used the 4010 version when I pulsed the voltage. Its a very small scr TO220 case. Don't let size deceive you, because your not really drawing anything but milliamps thru it. Think of the positive choke like its a spring, when the scr closes the Self Inductance field forms around the choke,(its compressed) you want to turn that scr off just as it forms. If it shuts off in time the power supply dosent see a current draw.

If you use an adjustable plate cell, you can figure out the choke sizing and cell sizing really fast. Naturally there is going to be heat where there is water breaking apart, you can remove that with a 3-23 transformer connected to the cell also or try to burn a light bulb. It should pulse itself and run out of phase with the scr circuit, because its secondarys connected backwards. The amplitude at which you pulse the primary on the 3-23 will determine the amplitude of the overall circuit, because the 3-23 secondary is nothing but a variable resistor between the cell.   

So, lets add up all the gaps on Meyers 10 tube cells?.  That number will be the total gap distance on the single plate variable cell, which means he had a high voltage going to the cells. lets not kid ourselves, we can see the heavy gauge wire connected in series to that setup. Being connected in series also lowers the capacitance of the cells.

Also, if he is breaking all that water apart, where is the EEC circuit?.  Its the 3-23. It also unloads the positive choke. 

Overall, to run that setup on the dune buggy Circuit One needs to be figured out more precisely. That we do not have. Im guessing that it also ran on a PLL and the frequency of the voltage to the scr was adjusted automatically and power came from an alternator.

I think that the 10 cells can be eliminated to one cell and one EEC. I think Stan didn't want people to see how easy it was being done.

http://share.pdfonline.com/5ae59a0009f44562b8c325f6045f67fb/commutation.htm
See Class (A)........ Add 3-23 transformer in place of (R) .

Water becomes part of the circuit. The electrons get pulled from the water, before the electrons from the circuit can pass thru the water. The resistance of the 3-23 chokes play a very big part in this. 75ohms a piece. Does that ring a bell with Stan mentioning the resistance of water all the time.  In the NZ video he even mentions re-routing Electrons around the Cell.

The 3-23 dosent give a pulse until the magnetic field is removed from it, remember its being charged up by Circuit 1. The amplitude on the primary is controlling the magnetic field, that is opposing the current thru the chokes from circuit 1.(simply put) The 3-23 core controls how much the chokes induct..

Thank you Hardkrome,

Very well written.
The multi million dollar question is if it brought you something.
Switch the power off when current starts floating was one of my first thoughts, years ago. So i am happy with your explanation.
Thanks also for explaining the SCR setup.

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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2013, 20:17:57 pm »
It hasn't brought me much, because I keep finding out more stuff and keep making more boards. I know what im looking for it to do. Im busy on eliminating the scr and re-creating that circuit #1.

When Stan Meyer resonance is achieved, it is a phenomena. He calls it "pulse voltage frequency"  it literally transmits thru stuff .  The only way to control it is with the 3-23 by means of resistance. Adjusting your voltage down won't control it either once it starts

 Replicating a phenomena is like looking for the needle in the haystack. Its something you cant figure out with textbooks because its not in them. The signal will change similar to what PuharIch mentions.

I have worked hard at this for 7 yrs, I do know that higher powers give the knowledge to do these types of things. They have always given me something when im about to quit. They make me learn it.

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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2013, 01:36:23 am »


When Stan Meyer resonance is achieved, it is a phenomena. .  The only way to control it is with the 3-23 by means of resistance.

 The signal will change similar to what PuharIch mentions.

Hey HardKrome, what is a 3-23 and have you discovered the conditions why the signal changes?