We are the Peace! Gift for the Humanity: Stanley Meyer Water Injector Principle!

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Sebosfato,

What is the source of your information on the plate capacitor personal experimentation or a paper in the literature?  Are the plates being used in conjunction with a coil?

My best guess is it might be due to change in dielectric capacity and not due to any work involved by you.  If there is a coil in the circuit then there is a detection of the resonant frequency in the system and that would account for the change in voltage levels.  Described by Tesla in papers and patents on high frequency and potential.

Andy

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Hi Andy,

That example i took from a physics paper from mit, you can download the course material here:
 http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Physics/8-02TSpring-2005/DownloadthisCourse/index.htm
The example is in the pdf attached

The example is for a parallel plate capacitor charged and than disconnected from the source. To separate the plates you need to do work as the mit book says the plate charge wont change but as you did work separating them something need to happen so the voltage increase. Voltage is proportional to the separation of the charges.

Regards

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The charge I believe is in the dielectric not in the plates but I'll look the courseware over

Andy

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I would like to show you and make you think about some meyer's pictures:

From the first figure 3.24 and note that the central electrode is at the top and that positive is in the bottom.
(Right hand rule say that when a current flow thru a conductor a magnetic field is created 90° from the current direction.)
observe the direction of the flow of the water.
Note now the 144n and the second picture, where he mention the action of the water pump...

Now note the  4.11 figure that the negative side of the injector is the contact with the engine, note also where is the input of water!

Now note the figure 4.5 where in the left you have what i call the hole or where the water will be accelerated because of the pressure, and than at the right you will see the electrodes or actually the resonant cavity as meyer describe, which water will cross at very high speed. Note than that this right side is the tapered cavity in the next figure.

For last i want to talk about the figure 7.14 where i want you to see that what he calls increased resonant pulse frequency voltage amplitude will raise accordingly to what he calls amp leakage with i consider the flow of water in time!!!

Amp inhibiting process for me is the ability the vic have to not allow reflux of current thus aways imposing an aways increasing the voltage.

Example
Voltage in a resonant circuit raise because of the XL inductive impedance * amperage. If you have 10.000 amps and maybe 4ohms impedance this gives you 40kv. .. 

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After reading through your notes i have some points to note...

1. The liquid used in Capacitors is a dielectric, the non-conductive properties are in play until you reach the capacitors limit. It is not the conductive properties of the dielectric that are cause the "capactitance" to occur.

2. If your moving water through an electric field to "induce" a current. It is the additives (minerals and salts, dissolved and susspended) in the water that are conducting. Not the water itself.

3. Once dissasociated the water then "drops" the minerals and salts as deposits on conductive plates. this will (especially with your size gap) alter your dilution ratio of your mixure and changing its conductive properties. Thus throwing out your afore mentioned calculation. Also will cause "deposits" to form on your electrodes.

4.Your endless links to wikipedia (which is a public forum encyclopedia and has no proven or tested principals as benchmarks) do nothing for your credibility.

5.If this is "Stans" injector as insinuated by your title, then you would know that with his invention there was a form of "propulsion" produced by his cell. This was the US Navy's interest. If that is so you would need minimal "Pressure".

6. Potential energy is not free but merely stored energy. Also as far as i know there is no storage of potential energy that does not suffer from depreciation.

7.If your using such massive amounts of ampere your rectifiers are not your problem but the transportation and heat involved. I guesstimate that to move 1000 amp through a wire will generate massive amounts of heat... Not only that you will need wire approx as thick as a elevator cabling (minimum) That excess weight. Not to mention that the losses with moving that many amps even over small distances is astronomical. Reference is every electrical powerline in the world using high voltages to transport power and then converting it down to a safer level for consumer use.

8. You are not the first to write up pages and pages of posts ommiting certain facts and making things up asking for donations, but without evidence and well proof your system "doesn't hold water"
Your idea's and citing the Meyers patents in a new light is inspiring but you may want to do some tests and atleast have a prototype that proves concept over theory.

9. I know with the release of the new V series you might of thought that your opening and reoccuring statement seem cool. But that series ends up with the aliens that "come in peace always" trying to eat everyone... Just point to note.

10. All contributing factors you are yet to explain anywhere that you have discovered anywhere that is not in these forums somewhere. The use of pressure through the cells (tubes and plate) has been done and documented as increasing production but not to the point of making it OU. The length of your cell (or reactive area that you promote at a certain size) will need to be variable, the same cell that will power a dune buggy i doubt would be able to power a mining front end loader.

Needless to say you may be on the right track. You may infact have the working model but just not disclosed it. But to be a stickler (and one of the reasons that i am not as active a poster anymore) is that you are claiming to of invented sliced bread but your still holding the uncut loaf...

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Sebos you should stop begging on sites seriously ... Once was enough ... Plz I am ashamed to even see that thread seriously ...

Be real . You are not some frikkin light savin everybody lol ... Nobody gives a crap about you and you dont give a crap about those people .

BTW those papers suck ... I take my own gutting feeling of whats supposed to happen before any papers ... Im feeling like geometry these days .

I had some of that old hairpulling fun with poweramps for a couple weeks , I can finally run high capacitive loads tho !! Love those days of litterature and frustration ... Just feeling like I did something amazing , it was amazing ... to me at least .

PS: If you 5$ send it to me , I need a big expensive cell for some cool research and tool displaying videos . all those cooks like Bob Boyce , Kevin West and and others with their lame *  tech  sbegged and scammed enough !!!

As far as I know I am the most competent individual in my field haha !!!!!

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Dankie sorry for what i'm going to say.

You just showed up to be the most incompetent in the area! For the ignorance you show to what is new, come as a gift and is for real!

If mit and real physics for you suck i really believe that you should not waste your time in this research! EHD is known since 1700's

Apologize me
I already forgive you and everyone in this world for the ignorance (is not your fault) many tried to scam in this area, and the world is full of ignorance too, but I never scammed anyone. My intention is to save this world, and i'm conscious that i'm already tired of the ignorance of the people in general, but i will not give up doesn't matter how much one can offend me. I have being illuminated and not only in this research but in life, i'm a person like very few... I have an ideal! I have a smile on my face that won't stop.

Open your mind, i just came with the best theory on this that ever existed so take the time to understand before xxxxxxxx

Best Regards
Sebosfactus

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Hi CrazyEwok,

Thank you For your analysis i will answer you in points:
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1- I'm not sure yet, however i think that for the conductivity meyer used the ionized gases.

2- Yes you are right is like a simple electrolysis. I guess the ionized gazed for being conductive will work as electrolyte or something like that...

3- The electrodes will not last forever however i believe will last enough to be economically viable, and they will have a separation of maybe 1 or 2 mm thus i believe also that the deposits will not be a such a problem if we use ionized gas and deionized water to run.

4- The links to wiki is one of the materials that took my attention, i don't believe that this links would take my credibility under than i have follow the MIT's open courses in physics and some chemistry. However i'm studying about electronics and hydrogen, electrolysis, sm and everything related since almost 4 years.

5- here you are talking about the HYPER DRIVE witch also used a similar principle. But instead of generating electricity and breaking up the water only it concentrated in give thrusting to the boats. Look for EHD THrUSTER

6- Yes we will have some losses but won't be greater than the gain in energy that we can have. look closely at the calculation i showed you will understand i'm sure.

7- Yes amperage is huge but if we consider that we have water cooling, we can push up to 10 or 15 amperes per mm2. We use coper bars not wire. For the injector i want to try many things different in the try to reduce costs and weight. Just to let you know last device (electrolyzer) witch i can't talk about weighted 140 pounds without water tank. 

8- I believe this is the only theory in the world witch holds. I tried everything believe me. Is not a case that you learn it only if you are a doctor, NASA use this already i'm almost sure.

9- I never saw this V series end, i heard the message and were cool and so i used, i'm not an alien and i don't want to eat nobody believe me i'm vegetarian since i was born   

10- What can make it ou is to put together the resonance, and nice materials, i told you almost all i discovered about the injector believe me. For sure i want to build it in different sizes to be able to advance in the design to be able to design it to fit every needs.

I never built the injector and is new for me i'm studying 20 hours a day about it on books and i'm going to talk with doctors in physics here to try to find some help...

Thank you very much for posting this is the level i would like to maintain here!
Best Regards