Author Topic: We are the Peace! Gift for the Humanity: Stanley Meyer Water Injector Principle!  (Read 11990 times)

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Someone? there is aways someone... do you know who?  where youtube?
about dingel, how did you know?
Which car did you saw?
Did them explained you the principle? if so, why didn't you told us how it work?

Andy i think you can't help us and don't want to join this team because you don't know how to calculate the pressure and or have any skills to contribute to help in anyway, however derailing this thread making people don't believe in me will not make you fell better and wont help this world for sure. So Please if you don't want to contribute positively don't contribute to just confuse interested people. I don't think anyone can be proud of this...

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It is someone on this group if he chooses to identify and share that's his choice.  I believe Dingel's red car is a toyota it's featured in his videos.  I don't pretend to understand how his car runs on water as much as tried to figure it out in the 2 hours that I was there.  He was not willing to divulge his secret to me and that was his choice.  I was just grateful to be there and see with my own eyes.  I had posted photos on another site anonymously.  The rest is speculation.  If I told you he bases his principle on vacuum it would distract you from what you propose here.  He has what he calls a converter and it's just a black box so what's inside is anyone's guess.  The fact is he has something going and you and your crew do not.

What do you need me for to calculate the pressure for?  If you can't find the math or someone to hand it to you figure it out empirically.  Start with 20 lbs and work your way up.  You need someone to hold your hand?  Oh yeah you haven't built anything yet never mind...

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hi sebos,

i have been reading your posts here and on energetic forum.
Strange  that you dont  mention my name or this forum name as inspiration...... ???

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sorry steve

Steve you are the guy!
i'm doing things very quickly because i have only telephone internet very slow and expensive here, i will mention ionizationx and your efforts on the energetic forum too for sure. I didn't yet because i forgot and i was concentrated here. You helped me a lot and i will not forget this, not only for donating but also by the creation of this site where we can meet people who cares about change something and witch makes us keep going. I thank you a lot for the space you provide for me here and for you have helped and believe me and everything else only you know. Sorry again if i didn't mentioned yet.
Your effort like i told you in skype is a inspiration for everyone here.

Now I'm trying to find the calculation for the pressure but is being very very hard with no fast internet here as it takes 5 minutes to open a single page...
however this week i will talk to some engineers friends here that will help to design and construct the injectors.


Andy,

I didn't visited mr dingel but i believe his work is based on the same principle, he uses platinum honey comb like electrodes witch are commonly used for electroplating platinum and palladium. where can we find info about him? I'm aways interested. This acts as catalysts that lower the minimum voltage needed for electrolysis by desorption processes. He have the h2 separated from o2 right. Yes he would not tell the secret to anyone. I met another inventor that only showed me the process because i went to visit him and i told him almost how was his thing working thus he was so amazed that could trust me and explained all to me and we made a team together. Anyway the army here prohibited us of publishing, go out of the country... so i decided to think about the myer injector and as it works with similar principle but not the same we just need to figure out few more things.

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Dingel may have used honeycomb electrodes in the past but not anymore.  He uses dual tubular construction like Wouter's waterfuelforall electrolyser or a joe cell.  He appears to use high voltage but doesn't suffer from heat problems.  I can only guess from what I saw and what he told me what was going on.  His friend hinted that he may be using titanium electrodes but Daniel wouldn't say either way.  His electrodes are connected in parallel in his tabletop demonstration with tap water.  Just a battery no fancy circuit.  He drank the water after the demonstration.  His source for materials is junkyards so I doubt any exotic metals are involved.  If it is titanium plates or tubes it's from aircraft engine turbines that were junked.  It looked like stainless steel to me.  He used plates in his tabletop demonstration.  Joe cell type tubes are in his car device.  I did not get a demonstration how his device makes electricity.  He had quite a few projects going on at the same time some sponsored some pure research.  He seemed fascinated by solenoid coils.  He appeared to me to be a good honest person.  He was also hiding some personal pain I don't know what.  I guess when you're in your 80s things are different from when you're 40ish.  Btw I wasn't asked for a donation by Daniel Dingel or his associates.  In fact I received a gift but it didn't make it thru airport security.  They did seem open to business opportunities but it seems there's some bad experiences in that department.  Nothing abnormal about that.  I hope this inspires others that anything is possible even the unheard of thought of running a car on water.  So Sebosfato talk is cheap get to it already.  I think my point is made.

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Well its interesting, i'm very impressed,
anyway 1 of my projects just for building costs only for the materials 15 thousand. The one was blocked! The most expensive parts were the rectifiers because to run a car we needed to rectify 10 thousand ampers.

From that you can see special materials are actually needed in that process. Maybe he found another way. who knows.

The one i proposed for the injectors the higher cost will be to make the injectors, i would like to make a pair to test and than if needed re do it again, but before spending money i will together with engineers and physicist here do all the calculation possible to be able to design a first injector that works and proves the principle and gives us the parameters to change if needed. Also here i'm trying to find junkyard materials to save some money but is not that easy, fortunately many of the brains will do the math and project for free because they believed me so we need to spend the money only to make the injector in specialized technician the problem is that nobody here have money only good intent. 

We are considering in use bismuth as diamagnetic material, SS, platinum, palladium. And to find a way as to do it without the high cost rectifiers. 

The injector will be less expensive if mass produced because will need less material and will be easier to instal. You will only need to replace the tank for the pressure tank, tubing, fit the circuitry for maintaining the pressure, ionizer, solenoids and change the spark plugs. The signal to drive them will be adapted from the normal injection system of new automobiles. There will be maybe also the need to make a hole on the exhaust to direct it to the intake or injectors like stan proposed.   

I'm serious!

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Here it goes!

When you have electric fields in a capacitor where the dielectrics is a liquid and this liquid moves in a certain direction in relation to the electric fields a very high current will be generated!

This is the principle of energy generation.

When a conductor cross a magnetic field a current is induced in this conductor.

What happens is that electric fields, magnetic fields and gravity are basically the same thing. One creates the other and recreates the other and so on!

If you create a voltage field you induce a current witch causes a magnetic field. If you move a the conductor in relation to the magnetic field created you will consequently amplify the original current raising thus the voltage. and so on.


HI sebos

When a conductor cross a magnetic field  ( NO ELECTRIC FIELD !!! )a current is induced in this conductor.

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Hi siwa EHD electric field induce current and the flow of a current creates a magnetic field just as i described on the second picture that you can see in the first page, meyer new this and thats why he used long tubes 304 material witch would not rob the magnetic field created inside his tubes, than the flow of the bubbles induced because o their less density in relation to the water, accelerated the water amplifying the current and so amplifying the generation of hydrogen. This current i think that is not possible to measure, because should start and finish between the electrodes.

Siwa There is MHD and EHD, a magnetic field created by EHD as i showed in that drawing is quite impossible to create with magnets, i'm studying about diamagnetic materials such as bismuth because the have the ability of change the magnetic field direction, however i'm seeing that only EHD can create such complex magnetic field in a cylinder. MHD can be used very well with permanent magnets and flat plates and also in a cylinder but the inner electrode should split the cavity into two cavities to be able to use this effect. You must make drawings and use the right hand rule to understand well the possibilities.

 As the example of the capacitor i gave:

Example:

You have a parallel plate air capacitor charged with 100volts and than disconnected from the power supply. 
What happen when you pull the plates apart?
Wouldn't the voltage raise while the charge remains the same?
Why the voltage raised? Why the gain in energy?
Because you did realized a work separating the plates!
This is the principle of the Wimshurst generator.

If the power supply were still connected when you separate the plates the voltage would remain the same and the charge would reduce.

Thats why he used the vic, a charging pump witch by the effect of the blocking or switching diode will pump electrons or raise the electric field only when the electric field being applied is grater than the electric field already existing there.

(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1354.0;attach=5625;image)

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