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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2015, 15:00:21 pm »
i don't have a differential probe they one i wanted to buy costed a lot and when i was going to buy i was waiting to get some more money together, than the dollar value here in brazil went from 2,7to 3,3 since here we pay more 70% over for import what you pay, it became impossible to me to buy with the money i got... so far is in my top wish list.. a dp20k

i only have a 40kv probe and a true rms dc+ac DMM

and labview to monitor the impedance, voltage, current, temperature.. and frequencies applied..

my lab here at home have more feature than few labs in my university..

so i only can get voltage from ref point..

the waveforms in my oscilloscope are very hard to see because its old and is just an unconnected probe...

i can make many many many types of wave forms that you would say yeas now your doubling frequency.. tripling.. halving... so its pointless to show a waveform without water being split.... i'm going thru all of them..

my cell is just standard 11 cell in delrin.. ,

for the record i can light fluorescent bulbs without touching anything... wireless

i can draw big arcs to insulated metal connected to nothing.. i think that is high voltage... so the problem is not the high voltage as i tried to explain my view.. i can be wrong..



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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2015, 00:42:34 am »
if we plant arrogance we won't harvest affection...

So if you are saying i'm not a scientist nor anyone else... just you.. where are you tables..? graphs? theory? why are you here?

You know what? i'm not curious... but you should stop disrespecting people... this will never help you.

Sorry to disappoint you but you took so long to get this far not because of scientific method...its because you didn't knew (know) science... nor me nor you nor many out there for a time, don't forget but you are the people you-re talking about. I bet you don't know calculus well too.. nor me... but is not my function to tell you that... i'm just showing how cool is being disrespectful..   

i wil repeat just one time because you seem to not understood.. this place is here and we this open community that comes here to share thoughts and wishes, don't want free attacks ok. we don't have time for that.. we don't need that.. i know many people hate ed mitchell for things he did and say in the past so far i think you are him... h2o power.. .i really don't care... but if you keep with that bad attitude you had in the past .. people naturally will keep ignoring what you say.. this is the reality..

i repeat again i have nothing against anyone... no one should in my mind... however

if you are not willing to contribute anyhow but repeating how your correct and other don't, please be a lurker... hope you learn a lot here..





This is the problem with people working on this technology they don't do things in a scientific manor. They claim things they haven't done which according to the form rules is out of bounds. You simply can not see what is taking place at the cell without a differential probe and each of the probes comes with a +/-% error so that all of the error calculations can be done.

People like to belittle my work by saying it is easy to place a high voltage potential difference across a water fuel cell as they can do it all day but they haven't done anything as all of their experiments have only taken place in their minds or they are assuming far too much. The scientific method demands that we make no assumptions and do things properly at all times. This is why it has taken me so long to get to this point as I had to save to be able to have the things that I do as there is simply no other way if one is to do things by the book. We can not accept guess work unless that guess work is being done with the use of the scientific method as then it requires one to answer the questions they pose by experimentation. This is exactly what I have been doing for the past nine years so to have someone belittle my work isn't going to go unchecked.

To Steve,

I have lived up to my promise and gave the science behind this technology away. I am not sure if I will post a video as now I am treading on deadly ground as all those that have shown their work are dead now so I must be wise in my actions from this point forwards.  People are free to tell others I haven't given them anything but I caution everyone that the industry is out there with paid personnel trying very hard to lead people away from the truth. They say all kinds of demotivating thoughts to stop people from ever trying. In the video for which this thread was started I made a mistake in how I hooked up the transformers to each other and here I went and corrected that mistake: http://aetherforce.com/inventors-diary-* -good-use-of-the-scientific-method/
I tell and show quite a bit in that post. The things I show have never been talked about before concerning this technology as I ignored everyone and just kept to the scientific method and listened to what the experiments were showing me. I also got help from above and I am very thankful to YAH for that help as I would have never figured out the connection to photosynthesis if it had not been for his help so all the glory goes to him.

You are now going to have a lot of people coming to challenge what has been shown to everyone here and you all must fact check them as to if they are really performing experiments properly and are making use of the scientific method.  It is not acceptable to just say with words and then have nothing to back up those words they must show their work and you are to be critical of their work. It is not acceptable to show an idea and have a lot of people like that idea and then the idea becomes law.  Ask what they are measuring with or to see scope shots showing their wave forms. Ask them to see the devices they are using and compare them to those that Meyer built. You will find that a lot of people have questions but very few have answers to those questions. You all have fact checked me quite a bit over the years and each time I have shown you what I am doing. I have shown everyone the equipment I am testing with as well as the items I built for testing on. You all have done your due diligence on me many times over and you must do that to everyone working on this technology. If they say they are producing gas then ask them for MMW numbers and if they refuse then simply stop listening to them trust me it is as easy as that. If you see them doing something Meyer did not do then ask them to explain why they made the changes. If you see their work doesn't look anything like Meyer's work just ignore them as simply putting Meyer's name on the title of their thread isn't good enough.

All of you have been very hard on me over the years and I thank you for that as it shows me that I was making a difference that people felt like talking about. Now the burden is on you to build things for yourself and follow the science I have shown to the best of you abilities to do so. I have done what I promised I would do so now it's up to you to further your own work given all that I have shown you. I hope to see many others in the future getting high voltages to their cells and more to the point getting there work to the market place so that the public can have access to it and the change can begin towards ending the worlds dependence on fossil fuels.

Please do not ask me for my design work as you simply are not going to get it. Build and design your own as you might do a better job than I did which is giving the world a better product as a result and trust me I am fine with that.

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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2015, 01:26:05 am »
The part I don't get is that Ed keeps repeating that he's not willing to do the 'get bumped off' part of it, and has said that even if he does get it working, he "won't tell a soul".  (Dem be da rules.")

Why does he expect us to do what he won't?
« Last Edit: August 07, 2015, 02:18:04 am by electrotek »

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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2015, 01:36:20 am »
i do not really know,  i can tell for me... if i discovered something, i would invite you to come over here in brazil to see, but would not post here on open, not initially... to totally impede this sort of behavior., (someone come and say oh i said this and that) bla la la .. i guess this makes clear that we are here to work and share thought and results not to show how good we are..  we are here to be together...

i hope all you will get together when whichever of us make it work..

thats what matter for me..

in the end this thread was created to appreciate your work..

i would be very proud if someone were taking about me somewhere... hope talking good =D
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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2015, 12:53:47 pm »
Ok ... sorry for any bad comments regarding you.. although i don't have any responsibility on your conduct and others.. and probably "that" caused this sort of comments.. i suggest pass the eraser and start over...

I try to remember everyday that until i prove the theory i'm working on, its useless, it won't help anyone else if i didn't proved any part of it before talking about... i fell for you is not the same.. you talk abut this truth without perceiving that its not the true is your point of view... an infinitesimal point. like mine.. like any other that don't show a working system. just words... that being said... i suggest to you and this will be good to you open your eyes on your behavior it will certainly make you open the doors of your perception. Imagine your theory is wrong! every day! if you can't find anything wrong test it.. if it didn't work it was wrong somewhere do you agree? If you can't explain to your self what is wrong you can't tell others with sure that one or other thing is missing because this is the principle of unobtainium...  so again assuming to ourselves we are not the truth keepers is good! thats why scientists can't believe god because if they do they wait god to give them the hard work.. and it will never do.. although god can keep you living your life if you want to see it that way...





I totally disagree that i can't do anything good because i don't have one equipment or the other, i believe i know what i'm doing and from what i can see i can set up a multimeter on the cell and it will have the same effect as your equipment, but i just can't see the wave form across the cell, only numbers...(well i got a very good one and seems good enough) but as i know what i'm doing seeing at the oscilloscope the waveforms of other parts is enough to understand whats going on. sure i would like to get one...

i don't think is a good idea to make 100's of people buying one... because the hho community is very big and many does not even know what is doing yet what is the meaning of seeing what is not yet understood.

another way would be to simply get the oscilloscope feed with an isolation transformer... however the chassi of the oscilloscope will provide some grounding effect... so yet resistors could be useful..

when i see something i can't get, i just think a way to get around and get what i really need.

i'm curious about what you have to say about the switching diode...


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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2015, 13:47:01 pm »
This is the problem with people working on this technology they don't do things in a scientific manor. They claim things they haven't done which according to the form rules is out of bounds. You simply can not see what is taking place at the cell without a differential probe and each of the probes comes with a +/-% error so that all of the error calculations can be done.

People like to belittle my work by saying it is easy to place a high voltage potential difference across a water fuel cell as they can do it all day but they haven't done anything as all of their experiments have only taken place in their minds or they are assuming far too much. The scientific method demands that we make no assumptions and do things properly at all times. This is why it has taken me so long to get to this point as I had to save to be able to have the things that I do as there is simply no other way if one is to do things by the book. We can not accept guess work unless that guess work is being done with the use of the scientific method as then it requires one to answer the questions they pose by experimentation. This is exactly what I have been doing for the past nine years so to have someone belittle my work isn't going to go unchecked.

To Steve,

I have lived up to my promise and gave the science behind this technology away. I am not sure if I will post a video as now I am treading on deadly ground as all those that have shown their work are dead now so I must be wise in my actions from this point forwards.  People are free to tell others I haven't given them anything but I caution everyone that the industry is out there with paid personnel trying very hard to lead people away from the truth. They say all kinds of demotivating thoughts to stop people from ever trying. In the video for which this thread was started I made a mistake in how I hooked up the transformers to each other and here I went and corrected that mistake: http://aetherforce.com/inventors-diary-* -good-use-of-the-scientific-method/
I tell and show quite a bit in that post. The things I show have never been talked about before concerning this technology as I ignored everyone and just kept to the scientific method and listened to what the experiments were showing me. I also got help from above and I am very thankful to YAH for that help as I would have never figured out the connection to photosynthesis if it had not been for his help so all the glory goes to him.

You are now going to have a lot of people coming to challenge what has been shown to everyone here and you all must fact check them as to if they are really performing experiments properly and are making use of the scientific method.  It is not acceptable to just say with words and then have nothing to back up those words they must show their work and you are to be critical of their work. It is not acceptable to show an idea and have a lot of people like that idea and then the idea becomes law.  Ask what they are measuring with or to see scope shots showing their wave forms. Ask them to see the devices they are using and compare them to those that Meyer built. You will find that a lot of people have questions but very few have answers to those questions. You all have fact checked me quite a bit over the years and each time I have shown you what I am doing. I have shown everyone the equipment I am testing with as well as the items I built for testing on. You all have done your due diligence on me many times over and you must do that to everyone working on this technology. If they say they are producing gas then ask them for MMW numbers and if they refuse then simply stop listening to them trust me it is as easy as that. If you see them doing something Meyer did not do then ask them to explain why they made the changes. If you see their work doesn't look anything like Meyer's work just ignore them as simply putting Meyer's name on the title of their thread isn't good enough.

All of you have been very hard on me over the years and I thank you for that as it shows me that I was making a difference that people felt like talking about. Now the burden is on you to build things for yourself and follow the science I have shown to the best of you abilities to do so. I have done what I promised I would do so now it's up to you to further your own work given all that I have shown you. I hope to see many others in the future getting high voltages to their cells and more to the point getting there work to the market place so that the public can have access to it and the change can begin towards ending the worlds dependence on fossil fuels.

(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/IMG_4515_zpsf51b3189.jpg)

Please do not ask me for my design work as you simply are not going to get it. Build and design your own as you might do a better job than I did which is giving the world a better product as a result and trust me I am fine with that.


Hi Edward,

I must say that i admire your dedication for this waterfuel project.
You and i and some others, are still trying to get this Meyer techno to work.
Feel free to start any discussions and also to share some parts of your work, if you want to.
I have no problems with you having a company or if you want to sell some items, related to the waterfuel technology.

As always, i ask everybody here to play it fair and kind. There is room enough here for everybody's opinions and theorys.
I trully hope that one day, somebody succeeds and also shares the techno for the better good of the world.
I am almost 50 years old now. A grant dad as well. Should we not leave a cleaner world behind?
In the meanwhile, i hope that everybody enjoys the techno trip we all take.

Cheers

Steve

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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2015, 09:03:26 am »
I rest my case...

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Re: New video: Edward Mitchel
« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2015, 23:10:13 pm »
According to Wikipedia, presenting information compiled from reliable external sources, a differential probe is used to measure changing voltages, not the static potential built up on the cell, due to the charging pulses.  This static potential, after it's there, can be measured with a VOM.

And you're completely ignoring the fact that he said he got the hv after turning one of the chokes around, which is exactly what you keep saying that no one listens to you about.