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These notes were added to the Video Update 64. Now it looks like mid 2014 release as per Good News Productions/meyerwfcarchive
Section2 Tapes that still exist but not publicly available yet: although frames are hosted by ionizationx
Good News Productions meyerwfcarchive
1. Dealership Sales with Road Tests #1
Format: VHS originally
Audio : good
Video : good
Runtime: 27 minutes
Location: Private collection
Closed captioning
Content : Some basic information and unseen dune buggy runs
It shows the various test runs done along with images of the Dune Buggy Version 1 before Stan started into the EPG
technology. It shows 4 different types of EPGs with LED indicator lights flashing, Close ups of the alternator, driver motor and redline generator as well as details of how Stan starts up the buggy Stan's pet dog "Boy" is featured in some of the footage
(Current ownership in private collection, release date 2014?
2.Dealership Sales Tape #2
Format: VHS originally, now in digital format
Audio : Excellent
Runtime: 13 minutes
Closed captioning
Content: Short presentation and discussion of concepts
(A similarly titled tape is shown in the totes acquired by QCI (see image of VHS labels digitally magnified and enhanced in the attachment which has other titles on it
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3. John Gilvesey 1989 visit
Format VHS now in digital format
Audio poor synchronization problems
Video fair to good, some camera jiggle
Runtime 38 Minutes (approx)
Date May 1989
Location Private Collection NewYork copy and other locations
Closed captioning
Discussion:
General Content The 2 cells are demonstrated, important comments about patents and GMs visit, John Gilvesey is in some of the segments,as is one of Stan's favorite demonstrations-burning paper clips.
This video chroncles John Gilvesey's visit to Stan's Lab in Grove City, Ohio. on May 15 and 16 ,1989
Charlie H was also present during this visit. John actually drew the tap water for the demonstration
Probably to be released as the separate days This video is still in the planning/production stage.
Release 2014?
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please Jim can you post other shots with the alternator on the buggy?they are priceless to me..
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Stan explaining his waveform with scope shots has allways been my number 1 wish, second was the IER,third would be him explaining the relevance to why water is white.
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Jon Abel,Tony Woodside and Dynodon seem to have the best handle on the waveform discussion
as it relates to circuits, although there are other expermenters who also have
good theories and explanations as to what is happening.
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Jon Abel,Tony Woodside and Dynodon seem to have the best handle on the waveform discussion
as it relates to circuits, although there are other expermenters who also have
good theories and explanations as to what is happening.
Have you ever seen Stan with his scope showing his waveforms at all?
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Stan explaining his waveform with scope shots has allways been my number 1 wish, second was the IER,third would be him explaining the relevance to why water is white.
Stan's brother Stephen once asked a question in a radio interview. His question relates to your question of "why water is white?". Stephen asked "Why is snow white". Well to answer your question, water/snow is white because it absorbs pretty much all colors of the spectrum, but it reflects white light therefore water/snow looks white to the human eye :-)
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There is some video imagery of Stephen adjusting the control cards and watching an o-scope trace
but I have not seen any footage anywhere of Stan doing this. When Stephen came to the laboratory ,
he was the one who had a more formal training in electronics and experience in electronic repairs.
(Stephen helped repair a backlog of broken television sets in his earlier days when he got out of the service.)
So I consider Stephen to have had a better training and experience regarding the electronics testing.
Stan had a strong mechanical bent, was more intuitive, more outgoing but did not have or use standard
scientific terminology in many of his talks and publications that gave Keith Hindley fits trying to translate this
for the Brits.
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Stan explaining his waveform with scope shots has allways been my number 1 wish, second was the IER,third would be him explaining the relevance to why water is white.
Stan's brother Stephen once asked a question in a radio interview. His question relates to your question of "why water is white?". Stephen asked "Why is snow white". Well to answer your question, water/snow is white because it absorbs pretty much all colors of the spectrum, but it reflects white light therefore water/snow looks white to the human eye :-)
Yea I remember that interview... The link I sent James during that interview wasn't the answer but I did however dig into it until I found an answer that finally suited me.The answer to that was simply "air" You may dig into that far enough to find a more scientific description but its the air molecule that is attatched to the water/ice/crystals that pass and bend the light from molecule to molecule to do what ever all that does but air was sufficient to me once I found that information wich btw..was not to dam easy lol.
I just assumed that was a question Stan had given to his brother at one time as a clue to one of his secrets but as Stephen said what secrets he had was " Ther secrets" and I wish I could here Stan give his description to answer of that question :/
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There is some video imagery of Stephen adjusting the control cards and watching an o-scope trace
but I have not seen any footage anywhere of Stan doing this. When Stephen came to the laboratory ,
he was the one who had a more formal training in electronics and experience in electronic repairs.
(Stephen helped repair a backlog of broken television sets in his earlier days when he got out of the service.)
So I consider Stephen to have had a better training and experience regarding the electronics testing.
Stan had a strong mechanical bent, was more intuitive, more outgoing but did not have or use standard
scientific terminology in many of his talks and publications that gave Keith Hindley fits trying to translate this
for the Brits.
I guess ive seen that much then as I do recall some video showing Stephen with the scope but the waveform wasn't visable enough to see anything.I do also remember Stephen mentioning something about where the scope leads are placed and it seems like his attitude was maybe some people questioned if the water actually seen the waveform from that of where his leads where placed but said it was the chokes waveform the water actually feels?? something to that effect,i haven't listened to those tapes in a long time but I would still bet that Stephen still has at least one secret.
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Yea in all the videos I've seen of the scope, it's always of the input signal...square wave, gating, injector pulse, etc. The only image I've every seen of Stan showing the resonant signal, was a very short segment in the video where he and Stephen explain the GMS unit. I really think that video had been edited, but not by Don. I think someone got to the videos before the public ever had access cuz Stan was explaining the LC circuit and the resonant signal and then the clip was just cut and went to something else. Another think why you've probably never seen a video of a scope shot is probably because when you connect a probe across the secondary side of the circuit, you change the impedance of the whole setup and that will disrupt everything....Hints why you should wind an extra feedback coil just for the scope to connect to!
Why is snow white if water is clear? Most of us recognize that water, in pure form, is colorless. With impurities, such as in a muddy river, water takes on multiple other hues. Even snow can take on other hues as well depending on certain conditions. For instance, the color of snow, when compacted, can take on a blue hue. This is common in the blue ice of glaciers.
The Anatomy of a Snowflake
Let's go back for a moment and discuss the properties of snow and ice. Snow is tiny ice crystals accumulated and stuck together. If you were to look at an ice crystal by itself, you would see that the ice crystal is also clear. But snow is different. When snow forms, hundreds of tiny ice crystals accumulate together to form the snowflakes we are familiar with.
Some people have even asked what the record for the largest snowflake. But this is hard to quantify considering snowflakes as we commonly call them are more of a bundle of individual snowflakes. A layer of snow on the ground is also mostly air space. Lots of air fills in the spaces between snowflakes.
The Properties of Light and Snow
The reason we see snow in the first place is due to light. As snow falls through the atmosphere and lands on the ground, light is reflected off the surface of the ice crystals. Since the snow has multiple facets, some of the light is scattered.
Visible light from the sun is made up of a series of wavelengths of light on the electromagnetic spectrum that our eyes interpret as different colors. When light hits an object, different wavelengths of light are absorbed and some are reflected back to our eyes. To complicate matters, light passing through ice will not continue through the ice crystal without first changing directions or reflecting off an interior angle within the ice crystal.
No one really ever sees one snowflake at a time. Most of the time, we see huge collections of millions of snowflakes on the ground. As light hits the snow on the ground, there are so many locations for light to be reflected, that no single wavelength of light gets absorbed or reflected with any consistency. Most all of the white light from the sun hitting the snow will reflect back and still be white light. Therefore, snow on the ground appears white.
One other important point to remember is that snow is indeed tiny ice crystals. Ice itself is not transparent like the glass in a window, but translucent. Light does not pass through ice easily. Instead, it bounces around back and forth within the ice crystals. As the light inside an ice crystal bounces around off the interior surfaces, some light is reflected and other light is absorbed. With the millions of ice crystals in a layer of snow, all this bouncing, reflecting, and absorbing leads to a neutral ground. That means there is no preference to one side of the visible spectrum (red) or the other side (violet) to be absorbed or reflected. The sum total of all that bouncing leads to white.
The Color of Glaciers
Glacial ice will often take on a blue color. Remember, an accumulation of snow has a lot of air separating the snowflakes. Glaciers are different. Glacial ice is not the same as snow. Snowflakes accumulate and get packed together to form a solid and mobile layer of ice. Much of the air that was separating snowflakes is now squeezed out of the ice layer.
As light enters a deep layer of ice, the light gets bent causing more and more of the red end of the spectrum to be absorbed. As more red wavelengths are absorbed, more blue wavelengths are available to reflect back to your eyes. The color of glacier ice will then appear blue.
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Why is snow white?
by Harijan
As strange as it may sound, snow is white because of air.
But snow doesn’t necessarily have to be white. For instance, a ball of snow submerged in liquid nitrogen is would be clear. And if you were to take just one snow flake, which is a crystal, it would appear clear as well.
I am not playing a semantic game of sorts. Yes, snow is white in its most natural state as an accumulation of snow flakes which has collected after a night of winter storm. However, it is not the crystals themselves which gives snow the appearance of being white.
Now someone versed in optical physics might say, “well, snow is white because, as a system of snow crystal matrix, the sum of refraction through the crystals basically creates a diffuse reflection.”
That statement I would say is as true as if I were to say “Cars move because the engine turns the driveshaft and the axles.” But then what I would have done is to transfer the responsibility of movement from the car to the engine, without getting to the heart of the question, that which begs for the explanation that the chemical combustion process – oxidation of carbon fuel – is moving the engine, driveshaft, differential, axles, wheels, and ultimately, the car.
Of course, snow indeed is white because of the sum refraction of ice crystals. And what gives rise to the individual refraction on the ice crystals?
Well, if you remember the definition of refraction, it is the phenomenon of light “bending” at a surface boundary between two media of differing refractive index – say, between air (1.000277) and water (1.333).
The above statement about refraction then begs the question “what is a refractive index?” A refractive index is the speed through which light propagates through a given media – like water or air. The higher the refractive index, the slower the speed of light in the medium such that light moves through water at about 1/1.333 of the speed that it does in vacuum (which has an index of 1).
At this point, most people are ever so sorry for having asked the question “why is snow white” because they feel as though they have opened a can of worms. Does the answer really have to be this convoluted and complicated?
No, it really doesn’t. But that’s why I have decided to sit down and spend this Sunday morning explaining this. We’re almost at the end.
The answer to the question is in the nature of the thing we have called snow, and this is why “air” is a critical component of the definition of “snow”, which we perceive to be white when we look at it and crumbles beneath our shoes when we step on it.
The thing that allows snow to be white is the diffuse reflection. And this diffuse reflection is caused by all the millions and billions of refractions. Each of these refraction happens because of the different refractive indexes of ice (water crystals, snow flakes, etc) and air.
Thus we come to explain that snow not just with ice but ice and air.
If this is true, then can we take air out of snow and see it turn clear? Yes, of course!
If you take a wad of snow into your hands and squeeze them, what do you have? A snowball. And let’s say you were.. or rather, remember, in an epic childhood snowball
Your team was losing ground and the enemy was coming up to your snow-fortress. Desperate situations require desperate response. So what did you do with that snowball? You squeezed it some more.
And what did you have in your hands?
It was hard and not so white anymore. It was the inevitable product of the escalation of arms race that was the winter wonderland conflict. And that inevitability was no longer white as snow but clear as the ice. That was to say the white was becoming clear as the snow was turning into ice, which was air escaping and ice crystals binding.
Someone might say… well couldn’t you have white snow that doesn’t have air?
Yes, snow can be white without air.
If we were to put a block of snow in a cold vacuum chamber, then you could take all the air out of it, and the snow would still be white. This is because the snow crystals would continue to retain all the refractive properties of the ice crystals which are now separated – not by air (index 1.000277) – but by vacuum with a refractive index of 1.
In the vacuum winter wonderland, the refraction would not have changed much from the real winter wonderland (1.000277 is practically 1). So it is possible to have white snow without air. It’s just that we began talking about snow in its natural environment. Out in the real world, we observe snow to be white, and the reason real world snow appears white is because of the air within.
Snow is white because it has air
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Well, i know for sure that water absorbes different parts of the light spectrum, as Tony explained.
The new info of air in snow is a small surprise as explanation of the white color.
Need to consume that info.
Air means dielelectric of air.
Air means nitrogen.....
Non combustable gas
About Steve Meyer, i think he was the electronic expert.
But he still doesnt know how his brother did the trick.
And that is something unbelievable.....Twins. share...
Steve
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But couldn't the same be said for the B+ (+1000V) electrode, Water, and B- (-1000V) electrode pulsed at frequencies in the red spectrum range, since the water can absorb those frequencies before emitting blue range frequencies???
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But couldn't the same be said for the B+ (+1000V) electrode, Water, and B- (-1000V) electrode pulsed at frequencies in the red spectrum range, since the water can absorb those frequencies before emitting blue range frequencies???
Ill be happy to give you my 2 cents wich are not going to be scientific specific lol :)
The reason it absorbs those frequencies is because those are the frequencies they are self oscilliatiing at.(resonating)It is an oscilliation that has an electric and magnetic component wich is why it requires an electromagnetic wave to have a resonating effect wich when matched is able to absorb it briefly and then emit it back out right..easy enough on that part to understand.When its in its higher energy state it looks like that self oscillation should become smaller right? It is further away so it sure seems like that part should be easy enough to understand to but then to match that frequency and go higher as to keep pumping it up and out.. all that should be harmonious so... ok
The waveform you are producing has an entraining(DC component) factor wich is great and would,should increase the self oscilliation just like a magnetic field would do ... I like to believe that entraining voltage needs to equal what a magnetic field would be to get the same phenomenon .
The way I see it is there are paralles with magnetisim and voltage.I know it takes a 1286 guass magnetic field in a glass of water at 25degreesC to get a proton to emit,of course it has to be pulsed with a EM field to get it to emit but that's what happens in a magnetic field and a EM field.The frequency in that situation was 7.6 megahertz ... the measured frequency of the em wave that was emitted.
Back to your waveform...that DC component I believe should equal the required magnetic field wich in the example above would be 1,286 volts... get where im going? I want to believe the DC part of your waveform should get a proton to emit when pulsed with a magnetic field.. the thing is you don't want it to emit at that point.. you need it to stay in the entrained higher energy state and then that ringing or the oscilliating part of your waveform should be harmonious to the frequency it would emit if allowed to do so.I think if you can tune in with that voltage field like you would with a magnetic field mainly the DC component that will allow the oscilliating part to resonate with the OH bond..match the resonance of that with what ever bond is entrained with the DC part it will resonate and pump that thing outta there.That waveform you have looks like it would perform those tasks.. I would love to have that circuit to play with.
That's been my thinking on this forever.. I haven't changed that idea in my own head because I haven't had the stuff to make the expieriment... something is lingering in my head tho that its not been the proton studies that relate.. it should be the OH bond and I haven't found much literature on that but I believe the principal remains the same.. it just looks like after all the proton literature ive studied and then that waveform just looks like it would perform those requirements....
If it doesn't work...does the oscilliating part need to go positive first?Does it need to cut off faster? Thers several things you could try with that waveform before ruling out the principal.To me it looks like you'd loose the principal with it going negative first.
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Stan explaining his waveform with scope shots has allways been my number 1 wish, second was the IER,third would be him explaining the relevance to why water is white.
He never disclosed that to me....I pondered....I learned to see things and construct images and efficiency loops from Stan....
"Why snow is white' never came up between us and I never theorized an answer until after his death....my theory......water/clear/snow/white etc because water/ice absorbs all the colors/photons and "we see none" and they the photons were absorbed and NOT reflected to our eyes, IF they were reflected we would see some/or somesuch color(s)...so, photons/moving mass/energy is absorbed into THE "Natural water" along with other "static AND unstable charges and fields activated by earth (poles) and other yet unmeasured terrestrial "forces" .... remember, "water will absorb anything around it to it's point of saturation if the environment is flooded and suitable......
Who knows what very efficient light cycled at/?..will do to captured photons.....bet it's in Stan's stuff somewhere...part of "Hydrogen Fracturing Process" patent....
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Who knows what very efficient light cycled at/?..will do to captured photons.....bet it's in Stan's stuff somewhere...part of "Hydrogen Fracturing Process" patent....
120 - 1800 nanometers wavelengths....its funny that you asked that question cuz I was just reading about that and a couple other things I want to ask questions about LOL
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Got a question for you JP. Did Stan ever mention when you apply a positive and negative voltage to the cell that the water acted as the "ground" or "0 voltage" reference? I was thinking about think because Stan repeatedly talks about Water having a "Zero Net Electrical Charge" hints "ground or 0v ;)
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I do not have the electronic skills and training that you have, Tony, but my take on the process is that the gas release and eec are modifying a flee floating ground, which is in the water of the cell. Would the circuitry in a battery charger/tender similar or related?
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If you had a water capacitor charged there is a point where the voltage potential is zero, exactly in the middle of the capacitor. If it were floating ground or isolated ground during charging.
If you connect one of the leads of a charged capacitor to ground?
Basically nothing because the net charge is zero, the only think is that you are going to relocate the zero potential.
Ex you connect the negative side of a capacitor charged to 40kv while isolated, to ground. what happens?
Well as the negative side is more negative than ground electrons should go to ground? If this could happen you would end up with charge imbalance on the capacitor? I guess the answer to that is to think in this way since a capacitor work based on bound link charges the above statement is impossible since the polarization of the dielectric holds the electrons or the capacitor would get discharged!
This ability allow the choice of an arbitrary ground in whatever circuit and still calculate the potentials unaffectedly.
Stan repeatedly talks about water having zero charge because it has zero charge but is not neutral under all conditions.
If you apply a greater E field than the one that holds those ions together they will split apart and now you have a zone of net positive charges and another with negative charges. (still net zero)
Now if you neutralize this second field but allow some electrons to burn off from the circuit during this discharge than its clear the water will take up a positive charge probably going out in gas form...
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The reason I ask is because of this diagram that Stan shows. It has always made me wonder.
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I guess the reason derives exactly from the way i gave the example. He mean that in the middle of the cell you have exactly zero volts, and water is like ground thereto a source of positive or negative charges to some extent if the circuit is close.
Do you agree?
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This concept reminds me of a simple dual voltage supply... Possibly a 3 tube cell with the center electrode acting as common. Some how induction core (619) provides this common node point within the cavity from where its labeled 0v.
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exactly outlawstc !
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3 tubes enclosed in one another and the center tube not connected to anything or to ground .. the inner - and outer + is this how meyer had them?
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the center tube must be connected to somewhere probably to the amp inhibiting coil
the spacing gap is not exactly the same for each of the tubes but would be for flat plates
But what intriguing me is whats the benefit of a ground plane there in the middle?
should it be a perfurated plate to allow ions contact?
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Yea see that's why I question it cuz Stan used only 2 tubes and he has the water labeled as "ground". So if you ground the center-tap and connect the +12V lead and -12V lead to the tubes, the cell doesn't see the voltage as being +12V and -12V....it just see's it as being +24v. I'm going to build a small +12v and -12v power supply and connect it to the two tubes and measure the current and voltage.
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Here is a example of a dual voltage source being applied to capacitor and resistors in parallel which resemble a fuel cell, that are 2 sets in series (2 fuel cells in series) . Between the 2 sets in series acts as a common giving me a negative and positive voltage reading from two probe points.
http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
under file of this java app click import and put the following code into the window
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This is what I mean by what the cell would see.
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Here is a example that looks more like what Stan's picture pf output for the crossover vic.. The circuit is not the same, Im sending a AC wave into the primary of the center tapped transformer. In the simulator there isn't a way to simulate a fuel cell with 3 tubes.. More or less a 3 tube cell is similar to the idea of 2 capacitors in series..
This example is nothing more than a dual voltage supply transformer that does not have big enough capacitor values to filter the output properly... If you increase the caps to 1000uf you will see the output turns into smooth steady dc voltage..
http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
under file of this java app click import and put the following code into the window
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Yeah but what I'm talking about is the cell having only 2 tubes/plates and not ground connection in the cell. The only connections would be the +v and -v to the two tubes/plates.
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The only reason why I have a ground connection in the cell for this set up is because the simulator will not recognize that point as the reference point for its scope readings.. technically that ground symbol would not be there in the real circuit.. and it doesn't effect this circuit in any bad way for the example..
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scope shot from a while back
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fabio center tube is a hollow conductor..but meyer is said to have used 2 tubes not 3 , in that case ionic water is the center tube too seperated by dielectrics (insulators).
similar ->http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfcbooster/images/WFCVIC11sig.jpg
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Yes to all that but grounding the center electrode would do nothing at all other than forming a ground plane.
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the inside region has no external fields, ground is part of the circuit. voltage is slightly higher because of this.
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In meyer documents you can find the tube cell arrangement with two tube sets where the inner tubes are soldered together in a disk. And in this same drawing he describe by little arrows that one outer tube is positive and the other is negative.
If you get to read all the patents that cited meyer and the patents they also cited and so one is easier to understand why meyer talked its about movement and deflection of electrons.
If you remember well physics, Inside a hollow conductor the field is zero, a dielectric don't have moveable electrons, the field outside of a capacitor is zero,
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this is not how I thought it could work.. can you show me these documents?
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international independent report
http://pt.scribd.com/doc/121950236/Water-Fuel-Cell-International-Independent-Test-Evaluation-Report
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what page are these tube sets? didnt find them
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(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2799.0;attach=13148;image)Page 28
Notice the arrows which indicated the left outer tube is positive and the right outer tube is negative .... the inner tubes should be at zero volts
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the outer tubes are both positive and the inner tubes are grounded .. discharging from ground to positive ..
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No no no, the arrows come from the positive left tube to the disc which is connected to both inner tubes and than they continue in the direction of the other outer tube. Take a closer look.
Anyway i'm just pointing that maybe stan used different things than he described.
Actually i just found yesterday a patent that talks about capturing electrons from earth and it has a closed loop (just like the shorted wiper arm in stan tune coil, than its somehow grounded and has the ability to steal electrons from ground and power a circuit consuming a fraction of the power delivered.
They cited the EPG patent. Nilson Barbosa is the name of the inventors... they are from north brazil, i'm thinking about visiting their lab to talk to them.
This indicate to me that maybe meyer was using this kind of new technical effect to extract the electrons from water somehow, and being able to power a load.
They suggest that they created a system where the lenz law works in reverse mode.
IT seems to me that they use a magnetic propriety of the electron to dump it to the circuit and not the electric charge only like would be plain simple induction.
http://www.rexresearch.com/barbosa/barbosa.htm
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the image only shows 2 sets but there are 9 sets in total .. if he made them + - alternating then two sets close to each other would have both + or - which doesnt make sense.. except if he drew 9 sets to misguide us.
if he did them like I say he could have used positive half rectified pulse spending half the energy and maybe getting some energy out.. his purpose was to vibrate molecular bonds which would explain this.. he would get full waveform from half waveform..without spending energy for this.
why meyer always used tubes?
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I guess is because its the closest geometry to spherical geometry
Basic a hollow conductor, if you get a charge inside it it appear outside but the electric field inside is zero.
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yes this has got me thinking he must have used the hollow conductor with a purpose.. otherwise he could have used parallel plates , the E field inside is not zero but no outside electric fields are inside \
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Got a question for you JP. Did Stan ever mention when you apply a positive and negative voltage to the cell that the water acted as the "ground" or "0 voltage" reference? I was thinking about think because Stan repeatedly talks about Water having a "Zero Net Electrical Charge" hints "ground or 0v ;)
I seem to remember something about "dead" short condition or something...don't remember if a good or bad thing...
I think it is when the 'current leaks' creating the short IN THE CAP...
Make sense?
jp
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I guess the reason derives exactly from the way i gave the example. He mean that in the middle of the cell you have exactly zero volts, and water is like ground thereto a source of positive or negative charges to some extent if the circuit is close.
Do you agree?
Seems so, then the di-pole water molecule reacts.....don't forget..it is supposed to be a dielectric...
jp
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I guess the reason derives exactly from the way i gave the example. He mean that in the middle of the cell you have exactly zero volts, and water is like ground thereto a source of positive or negative charges to some extent if the circuit is close.
Do you agree?
Seems so, then the di-pole water molecule reacts.....don't forget..it is supposed to be a dielectric...
jp
Look closely at this photo.
Look how thick the positive wires are from the Altrntr to switches and switches to positive outer tubes individually..
He had to have the huge car altrntr inductor to get near Matching the capacitance And make enough gas to run the buggy at idle as demonstrated in the backyard video.
He then wants the injectors because you can't do it the first way anymore unless using a bug..
Thus the Greanue "Explosions in Water" paper..
Peter Graneau is well known for a long series of experiments in classical electrodynamics performed during 35 years in University and industrial laboratories on both sides of the Atlantic. The results he obtained were consistent with the old Newtonian electrodynamics which flourished in Europe during the nineteenth century. Dr. Graneau has published his findings in more than forty papers in prestigious physics and engineering journals and in his 1985 book “Ampere-Neuman Electrodynamics of Metals.” Some of his work has been sponsored by the U.S. National Science Foundation, which commended him for his efforts. The Graneaus make their home in the town of Concord Massachusetts. They love nature, and they walk and canoe where Henry David Thoreau lived. In this beautiful area, Peter Graneau has time to contemplate the course physics may take in the next century.
Neal Graneau was born in London, England, and attended Fenn School in Concord, Phillips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire, and Winchester College in England. He traveled with school theater and poetry groups, and played piano recitals. Neal Graneau studied physics at King’s College of London University, and at Oxford University as a graduate student. He is currently a full time researcher at Oxford. For ten years, he spent his summers at his father’s MIT laboratory. There this father and son team researched, invented, built, and performed the experiments described in this book. When not at work, Neal finds himself to relax by playing the drums in an Oxford group.
jp
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J.P. the alternator in the picture still consumed 40A at 12v from test results shown in the independent test ev. ....and the gas flow was measured after it was presurised..so still faraday electrolisys.Do you know details about the r-vic alternator which run the buggy?
Again i asked,who were the cheaters in the Indi500?Thanks!
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J.P. the alternator in the picture still consumed 40A at 12v from test results shown in the independent test ev. ....and the gas flow was measured after it was presurised..so still faraday electrolisys.Do you know details about the r-vic alternator which run the buggy?
Again i asked,who were the cheaters in the Indi500?Thanks!
All I know is what I saw.
The alternator run by belt from electric motor...same as in buggy idling video.
Pressure build up in cell @ 10w power...2a x 5v on black box meters...
Lab video will show more...
Lender/escrow/broker cheaters that were to lend 350k for Indy Fuel Cell build kept my 5k deposit supposedly because I didn't perform by showing them the buggy running which was never in the deal.....
Couldn't waste time and more money suing them.....lesson learned...
Cheers,
jp
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Notice the arrows which indicated the left outer tube is positive and the right outer tube is negative .... the inner tubes should be at zero volts
I think half the tubes must have phase delay that's why he shows the arrows like this but why has he 9 tubes instead of 10?
are the inner electrodes tubes or rods ? he must be hidding something..
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If you had a water capacitor charged there is a point where the voltage potential is zero, exactly in the middle of the capacitor. If it were floating ground or isolated ground during charging.
If you connect one of the leads of a charged capacitor to ground?
Basically nothing because the net charge is zero, the only think is that you are going to relocate the zero potential.
Ex you connect the negative side of a capacitor charged to 40kv while isolated, to ground. what happens?
Well as the negative side is more negative than ground electrons should go to ground? If this could happen you would end up with charge imbalance on the capacitor? I guess the answer to that is to think in this way since a capacitor work based on bound link charges the above statement is impossible since the polarization of the dielectric holds the electrons or the capacitor would get discharged!
This ability allow the choice of an arbitrary ground in whatever circuit and still calculate the potentials unaffectedly.
Stan repeatedly talks about water having zero charge because it has zero charge but is not neutral under all conditions.
If you apply a greater E field than the one that holds those ions together they will split apart and now you have a zone of net positive charges and another with negative charges. (still net zero)
Now if you neutralize this second field but allow some electrons to burn off from the circuit during this discharge than its clear the water will take up a positive charge probably going out in gas form...
This sounds close to what I understood from Stan.
When the molecules, ions, etc. are pos or neg they are unstable/seeking stable/neutral state....or 0 state.
After Electrical polarization you have H2 and O2 gas..diatomic....
"Pluck off the free electron and it can't recombine.."
It is moving faster in a sense because they are all ions that can't combine...
this is FIRST STEP from ELEC POLZN TO HYD FRCTRNG.
JP
More later.
jp
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fabio center tube is a hollow conductor..but meyer is said to have used 2 tubes not 3 , in that case ionic water is the center tube too seperated by dielectrics (insulators).
similar ->http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfcbooster/images/WFCVIC11sig.jpg
ALWAYS TWO "VOLTAGE ZONES."
JP
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(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2799.0;attach=13148;image)Page 28
Notice the arrows which indicated the left outer tube is positive and the right outer tube is negative .... the inner tubes should be at zero volts
I think half the tubes must have phase delay that's why he shows the arrows like this but why has he 9 tubes instead of 10?
are the inner electrodes tubes or rods ? he must be hidding something..
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Hello Jim,is there a chance that we could see the new videos with Stan that you tease us in the end of 2013,you said that will be released spring 2014...
Thanks!
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audio filtering and conversion to text subtitles is about 90 % done on one of the videos but attention has been turned now to some other document processing
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I understand!I think we would be very happy even with the raw versions :D...When you finish they will be released free or by payment?thanks Jim.