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Re: Stan Meyer Videography and Discussion Update
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2013, 04:32:28 am »
There is some video imagery of Stephen adjusting the control cards and watching  an o-scope trace
but I have not seen any footage anywhere of Stan doing this. When Stephen came to the laboratory ,
he was the one who had a more formal training in electronics and experience in electronic repairs.
(Stephen helped repair a backlog of broken television sets in his earlier days when he got out of the service.)
So I consider Stephen to have had a better training and experience regarding the electronics testing.
Stan had a strong mechanical  bent, was more intuitive, more outgoing but did not have or use standard
scientific terminology in many of his talks and publications that gave Keith Hindley fits trying to translate this
for the Brits.
I guess ive seen that much then as I do recall some video showing Stephen with the scope but the waveform wasn't visable enough to see anything.I do also remember Stephen mentioning something about where the scope leads are placed and it seems like his attitude was maybe some people questioned if the water actually seen the waveform from that of where his leads where placed but said it was the chokes waveform the water actually feels?? something to that effect,i haven't listened to those tapes in a long time but I would still bet that Stephen still has at least one secret.

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Re: Stan Meyer Videography and Discussion Update
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2013, 06:22:36 am »
Yea in all the videos I've seen of the scope, it's always of the input signal...square wave, gating, injector pulse, etc. The only image I've every seen of Stan showing the resonant signal, was a very short segment in the video where he and Stephen explain the GMS unit. I really think that video had been edited, but not by Don. I think someone got to the videos before the public ever had access cuz Stan was explaining the LC circuit and the resonant signal and then the clip was just cut and went to something else. Another think why you've probably never seen a video of a scope shot is probably because when you connect a probe across the secondary side of the circuit, you change the impedance of the whole setup and that will disrupt everything....Hints why you should wind an extra feedback coil just for the scope to connect to!

Why is snow white if water is clear? Most of us recognize that water, in pure form, is colorless. With impurities, such as in a muddy river, water takes on multiple other hues. Even snow can take on other hues as well depending on certain conditions. For instance, the color of snow, when compacted, can take on a blue hue. This is common in the blue ice of glaciers.

The Anatomy of a Snowflake

Let's go back for a moment and discuss the properties of snow and ice. Snow is tiny ice crystals accumulated and stuck together. If you were to look at an ice crystal by itself, you would see that the ice crystal is also clear. But snow is different. When snow forms, hundreds of tiny ice crystals accumulate together to form the snowflakes we are familiar with.

Some people have even asked what the record for the largest snowflake. But this is hard to quantify considering snowflakes as we commonly call them are more of a bundle of individual snowflakes. A layer of snow on the ground is also mostly air space. Lots of air fills in the spaces between snowflakes.

The Properties of Light and Snow

The reason we see snow in the first place is due to light. As snow falls through the atmosphere and lands on the ground, light is reflected off the surface of the ice crystals. Since the snow has multiple facets, some of the light is scattered.

Visible light from the sun is made up of a series of wavelengths of light on the electromagnetic spectrum that our eyes interpret as different colors. When light hits an object, different wavelengths of light are absorbed and some are reflected back to our eyes. To complicate matters, light passing through ice will not continue through the ice crystal without first changing directions or reflecting off an interior angle within the ice crystal.

No one really ever sees one snowflake at a time. Most of the time, we see huge collections of millions of snowflakes on the ground. As light hits the snow on the ground, there are so many locations for light to be reflected, that no single wavelength of light gets absorbed or reflected with any consistency. Most all of the white light from the sun hitting the snow will reflect back and still be white light. Therefore, snow on the ground appears white.

One other important point to remember is that snow is indeed tiny ice crystals. Ice itself is not transparent like the glass in a window, but translucent. Light does not pass through ice easily. Instead, it bounces around back and forth within the ice crystals. As the light inside an ice crystal bounces around off the interior surfaces, some light is reflected and other light is absorbed. With the millions of ice crystals in a layer of snow, all this bouncing, reflecting, and absorbing leads to a neutral ground. That means there is no preference to one side of the visible spectrum (red) or the other side (violet) to be absorbed or reflected. The sum total of all that bouncing leads to white.

The Color of Glaciers

Glacial ice will often take on a blue color. Remember, an accumulation of snow has a lot of air separating the snowflakes. Glaciers are different. Glacial ice is not the same as snow. Snowflakes accumulate and get packed together to form a solid and mobile layer of ice. Much of the air that was separating snowflakes is now squeezed out of the ice layer.

As light enters a deep layer of ice, the light gets bent causing more and more of the red end of the spectrum to be absorbed. As more red wavelengths are absorbed, more blue wavelengths are available to reflect back to your eyes. The color of glacier ice will then appear blue.

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Re: Stan Meyer Videography and Discussion Update
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2013, 09:29:59 am »
Why is snow white?

by Harijan



As strange as it may sound, snow is white because of air.

But snow doesn’t necessarily have to be white. For instance, a ball of snow submerged in liquid nitrogen is would be clear. And if you were to take just one snow flake, which is a crystal, it would appear clear as well.

I am not playing a semantic game of sorts. Yes, snow is white in its most natural state as an accumulation of snow flakes which has collected after a night of winter storm. However, it is not the crystals themselves which gives snow the appearance of being white.

Now someone versed in optical physics might say, “well, snow is white because, as a system of snow crystal matrix, the sum of refraction through the crystals basically creates a diffuse reflection.”

That statement I would say is as true as if I were to say “Cars move because the engine turns the driveshaft and the axles.” But then what I would have done is to transfer the responsibility of movement from the car to the engine, without getting to the heart of the question, that which begs for the explanation that the chemical combustion process – oxidation of carbon fuel – is moving the engine, driveshaft, differential, axles, wheels, and ultimately, the car.

Of course, snow indeed is white because of the sum refraction of ice crystals. And what gives rise to the individual refraction on the ice crystals?

Well, if you remember the definition of refraction, it is the phenomenon of light “bending” at a surface boundary between two media of differing refractive index – say, between air (1.000277) and water (1.333).

The above statement about refraction then begs the question “what is a refractive index?” A refractive index is the speed through which light propagates through a given media – like water or air. The higher the refractive index, the slower the speed of light in the medium such that light moves through water at about 1/1.333 of the speed that it does in vacuum (which has an index of 1).

At this point, most people are ever so sorry for having asked the question “why is snow white” because they feel as though they have opened a can of worms. Does the answer really have to be this convoluted and complicated?

No, it really doesn’t. But that’s why I have decided to sit down and spend this Sunday morning explaining this. We’re almost at the end.

The answer to the question is in the nature of the thing we have called snow, and this is why “air” is a critical component of the definition of “snow”, which we perceive to be white when we look at it and crumbles beneath our shoes when we step on it.

The thing that allows snow to be white is the diffuse reflection. And this diffuse reflection is caused by all the millions and billions of refractions. Each of these refraction happens because of the different refractive indexes of ice (water crystals, snow flakes, etc) and air.

Thus we come to explain that snow not just with ice but ice and air.

If this is true, then can we take air out of snow and see it turn clear? Yes, of course!

If you take a wad of snow into your hands and squeeze them, what do you have? A snowball. And let’s say you were.. or rather, remember, in an epic childhood snowball

Your team was losing ground and the enemy was coming up to your snow-fortress. Desperate situations require desperate response. So what did you do with that snowball? You squeezed it some more.

And what did you have in your hands?

It was hard and not so white anymore. It was the inevitable product of the escalation of arms race that was the winter wonderland conflict. And that inevitability was no longer white as snow but clear as the ice. That was to say the white was becoming clear as the snow was turning into ice, which was air escaping and ice crystals binding.


Someone might say… well couldn’t you have white snow that doesn’t have air?

Yes, snow can be white without air.

If we were to put a block of snow in a cold vacuum chamber, then you could take all the air out of it, and the snow would still be white. This is because the snow crystals would continue to retain all the refractive properties of the ice crystals which are now separated – not by air (index 1.000277) – but by vacuum with a refractive index of 1.

In the vacuum winter wonderland, the refraction would not have changed much from the real winter wonderland (1.000277 is practically 1). So it is possible to have white snow without air. It’s just that we began talking about snow in its natural environment. Out in the real world, we observe snow to be white, and the reason real world snow appears white is because of the air within.

Snow is white because it has air




     

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Re: Stan Meyer Videography and Discussion Update
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2013, 15:39:53 pm »
Well, i know for sure that water absorbes different parts of the light spectrum, as Tony explained.
The new info of air in snow is a small surprise as explanation of the white color.
Need to consume that info.
Air means dielelectric of air.
Air means nitrogen.....
Non combustable gas
About Steve Meyer, i think he was the electronic expert.
But he still doesnt know how his brother did the trick.
And that is something unbelievable.....Twins. share...

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Re: Stan Meyer Videography and Discussion Update
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2013, 22:05:10 pm »
But couldn't the same be said for the B+ (+1000V) electrode, Water, and B- (-1000V) electrode pulsed at frequencies in the red spectrum range, since the water can absorb those frequencies before emitting blue range frequencies???

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Re: Stan Meyer Videography and Discussion Update
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2013, 23:10:31 pm »
But couldn't the same be said for the B+ (+1000V) electrode, Water, and B- (-1000V) electrode pulsed at frequencies in the red spectrum range, since the water can absorb those frequencies before emitting blue range frequencies???
Ill be happy to give you my 2 cents wich are not going to be scientific specific lol :)
 The reason it absorbs those frequencies is because those are the frequencies they are self oscilliatiing at.(resonating)It is an oscilliation that has an electric and magnetic component wich is why it requires an electromagnetic wave to have a resonating effect wich when matched is able to absorb it briefly and then emit it back out right..easy enough on that part to understand.When its in its higher energy state it looks like that self oscillation should become smaller right? It is further away so it sure seems like that part should be easy enough to understand to but then to match that frequency and go higher as to keep pumping it up and out.. all that should be harmonious so... ok
The waveform you are producing has an entraining(DC component) factor wich is great and would,should increase the self oscilliation just like a magnetic field would do ... I like to believe that entraining voltage needs to equal what a magnetic field would be to get the same phenomenon .
The way I see it is there are paralles with magnetisim and voltage.I know it takes a 1286 guass magnetic field in a glass of water at 25degreesC to get a proton to emit,of course it has to be pulsed with a EM field to get it to emit but that's what happens in a magnetic field and a EM field.The frequency in that situation was 7.6 megahertz ... the measured frequency of the em wave that was emitted.
Back to your waveform...that DC component I believe should equal the required magnetic field wich in the example above would be 1,286 volts... get where im going? I want to believe the DC part of your waveform should get a proton to emit when pulsed with a magnetic field.. the thing is you don't want it to emit at that point.. you need it to stay in the entrained higher energy state and then that ringing or the oscilliating part of your waveform should be harmonious to the frequency it would emit if allowed to do so.I think if you can tune in with that voltage field like you would with a magnetic field mainly the DC component that will allow the oscilliating part to resonate with the OH bond..match the resonance of that with what ever bond is entrained with the DC part it will resonate and pump that thing outta there.That waveform you have looks like it would perform those tasks.. I would love to have that circuit to play with.

That's been my thinking on this forever.. I haven't changed that idea in my own head because I haven't had the stuff to make the expieriment... something is lingering in my head tho that its not been the proton studies that relate.. it should be the OH bond and I haven't found  much literature on that but I believe the principal remains the same.. it just looks like after all the proton literature ive studied and then that waveform just looks like it would perform those requirements....

If it doesn't work...does the oscilliating part need to go positive first?Does it need to cut off faster? Thers several things you could try with that waveform before ruling out the principal.To me it looks like you'd loose the principal with it going negative first.
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Re: Stan Meyer Videography and Discussion Update
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2013, 22:59:08 pm »
Stan explaining his waveform with scope shots has allways been my number 1 wish, second was the IER,third would be him explaining the relevance to why water is white.

He never disclosed that to me....I pondered....I learned to see things and construct images and efficiency loops from Stan....
 "Why snow is white'  never came up between us and I never theorized an answer until after his death....my theory......water/clear/snow/white etc because water/ice absorbs all the colors/photons and "we see none" and they the photons were absorbed and NOT reflected to our eyes, IF they were reflected we would see some/or somesuch color(s)...so, photons/moving mass/energy is absorbed into THE "Natural water" along with other "static AND unstable charges and fields activated by earth (poles) and other yet unmeasured terrestrial "forces" .... remember, "water will absorb anything around it to it's point of saturation if the environment is flooded and suitable......
Who knows what very efficient light cycled at/?..will do to captured photons.....bet it's in Stan's stuff somewhere...part of "Hydrogen Fracturing Process" patent....

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Re: Stan Meyer Videography and Discussion Update
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2013, 23:13:11 pm »
Who knows what very efficient light cycled at/?..will do to captured photons.....bet it's in Stan's stuff somewhere...part of "Hydrogen Fracturing Process" patent....

120 - 1800 nanometers wavelengths....its funny that you asked that question cuz I was just reading about that and a couple other things I want to ask questions about LOL