Who is right discusion

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quote from edd talking behind my back on this post somewhere non related to this discussion...

What case? Me calling you out in what you told the group was a lie or a gross assumption that is totally unfounded by facts? I quote, "for the record i got up to 50kv on the exciters and more than 3kv across each cell.. by the way reaching high voltages is not a problem.." This is what you wrote and it is not truthful and you don't care of the damage you are doing to the technology by saying things like this just to save face.

I just pointed out there is no way you got the voltages you are claiming here as you simply don't have the proper equipment to be able to tell what voltages you are getting to your exciter array. You say, "by the way reaching high voltages is not a problem," and that too is not the truth as if it was everyone would be getting high voltages to their exciter arrays.

This was said by you to belittle my work and you do so for your own personal reason of which to me seem like you are doing so just to save face. I have to call people like you out as they have no idea of the damages that they are doing to the movement. Basically you are saying high voltage isn't the answer which goes against what Meyer himself told everyone in his many lecture videos and it also goes against what my experiments have been telling me thought my observations of said technology.

I am sorry I have to do this but it is time for this type of behavior to be put in check as it is hurting the movement. If you build what I have just shown you you will get high voltages to your exciter array, but in order to be able to see what is taking place you must get a differential probe capable of handling the voltages we are dealing with. There is no going around this as you also stated for you simply will not be able to see what 's taking place at the exciter array without the proper equipment to be able to do so, thus making what you have told all of us here and to those that visit this site an untrue statement. Like I said I am sorry for this but it's time for this Tom Foolery to stop as people deserve to be told the truth.
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Ok Edd if with all your vic together you won't get high voltage. i'm sorry for you... its not my problem.. its your fault, not mine...

i don't come here to say thing on your post only... if you look i reached this voltages many times in the past and not only me... and yes i can measure it ..accurately.. 

If you improve your hearing or reading you would understand how i do it. what i use for that... i don't need any fancy device to see what is going on, although i didn't finished the graduation yet i'm a damn scientist and i know now what i'm doing... more everyday..

and by the way the high voltage probe i get is very good precision... so as my dmm so please forget about me and my equipment and keep going... your not reaching.. i'm not in your way... not holding you down...  nor anyone.. nor i want any  problematic followers ...

if you know what you are doing even coil connected to a multimeter is good way to see the fields present...

you have no clue about what is the blocking diode... or how it operates... you just keep the same arguments and raise up the voice...

you are a classic moron still accusing me of not following meyer...since 2007(hurting the movement) of course my i'm using science! 

sorry to be hard but you don't seem to get it when i put in a good way...

the main problem is that i think you are so so steamy about me having so much higher voltage than you to the cell and yet not being satisfied i come to you and say i have a theory i'm working on..

so stop crying like a baby and create your theory and go put you theory in action and stop wasting our times with your words...

As you can see I just caught you in a lie as you did say you were getting 3kv to each cell (resonant cavity's) and 50kv to your cell. This was at a time when you and Electrotek were having a go at me. You said this not knowing that Meyer said it takes 1kv or more to make the resonant cavity work correctly. In fact you said all kinds of things that would totally throw someone off the right path trying to figure out how Meyer's technology actually worked back then. Do you see your competitive combativeness towards the results I showed? I sure do and being a smart man devised a plan to trap you in this lie in a way that all could see it. Sure it cost me $50 bucks but it worked and at the same time I helped get you a tool you needed to be able to actually view this technology. Now you know you were not getting 50kv to your cell and more than likely weren't even getting more than 100 volts to your cell. But that is a good thing as now you can improve upon your results as now you have the right tool for the job at hand. This is what it took to help you but the job isn't done until you fess up in front of your peers. Have fun!

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with the equipmenti had i connected a 1gigaohm probe to a point and it gives 50kv and than i change the point where the probe is touching and measure and its 47kv than there could be assumed this 3kv is somewhere isnt it?

basically the test maybe was bad but never my intention to fool anyone my friend... i only want to encourage you to do the same tests and combat what i said... like your doing... but i´dont need to be called a lier or whatever...

when i did the test with the isolated multimeter i posted the test that should be done... not sure how many did it...

an isolated multimeter at the potential of the cell floating with its lead connected to the cell and only one wire goin to the cell pulsing it..rel to ground...

what i was trying to prove is that if you charge a electrode relative to ground is equivalent to have the capacitor partially charged... and this was showing up in my tests

if you get the effort to get my conditions probably you will find similar results they will puzlle you like they did to me because all this can be noise on the equipments we have... today equipments are trash!@


 

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This is why I blocked you on FB as I knew you have passed the point of no return. Right here in this thread you just said I didn't measure the voltage across the cell and I just posted a post you made showing that you did say you measured the voltage across the cell. Listen you can't have it both ways okay as it doesn't work like that.

You, Eletrotech, and a whole host of other people just love to take pokes at me from time to time just to see if you can get me to change the tune I have been signing since the 2013 Global BEM.  As for the equipment I've had the right tools for the job for a very long time now. I got it when I started to work on the 8xa circuit as I couldn't make use of the probe that came with the scope for it would shut down the house breakers.

You say you didn't mean to mislead anyone but I think you just got caught up in the fight and wanted to come out on top to say to everyone, "There's no need to listen to him as I am getting higher voltages to my cell." But you did cause damage to the movement in that what you claimed was way over what Meyer stated in the patents to be the working voltages for the exciter array. Basically you tossed out what Meyer said as you passed his statements by 2000 volts or more and your set up wasn't working. Now that is true damage to the movement for now how many volts do we need to make this technology work?

Plus you make people like me look like we are just messing around and accomplishing nothing, which was your intent with the statement you made. I proved I was right with Electrotek about the science behind the technology I was telling everyone about with the help of a friend. With the core science the technology can be solved as those who understand what I wrote can figured out what the goal is. Now in the Global BEM video I already told people what the goal is but now I had some added scientific proof I was telling the truth and not just a hunch. Anyone that watched the video can tell just what the difference is between Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method and Stanley Meyer's voltage breakdown method. But in the spirit of competition "Who cares," right? People have been running around telling people not to listen to me for years now and since the post has been made of showing just where to take the measurements from no one wants to do it for some strange reason.

If I make a mistake I own up to it as if I don't I can cause someone to get lost who might be looking in on what I am doing, but people like me are rare in today's world aren't they?

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Actually the one telling people to not believe me were you right since the energetic forum... (man i was even in your ignore list, when i first tried a fund raising) why i forgive all this and go over it? not because you donated 50$! was because for me you are someone who i respect, for you worked hard like many of us and harder than many, so i prefere to not get into our core differences since we are different man from diferent country and culture but into how can we zero up anything we past because brothers must discuss but must aways understand themselves in the end. i prefere to recognize i not have any enemy other than myself...

If i gave up on you, it would mean to me that the world can end up on a big war because the people gives up on people. i dont give up on people... i can get away become mad sad but later i have a momente where i think and see that i´m not alone in this world...

Now i can go on fore days trying to make you see i´m no harm, i´m someone who dont like talk about others and personaly dont like much of who do this. it *  me off. I´m someone trying to help and trying to get all  you together so that when me or one of us maybe need some hands there will be a comunity to work with...

many wait for this... they come just here and wait for the day we will show a working cell...

me too sometimes i think, let me check if anyone made it...

i´m trully sorry that my apresentation of ideas and tests wasnt what you expected hope now its explained what i meant and did...

so bro please consider your atitude i´m trying to do my best here and i know you too so let get over it?

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Now that you have the right tool for the job lets get a real reading at points D&E so we can see just what needs to be done to get your voltage up. Just know and understand I did what I did as solution to a problem in that Electrotek was using your ignorance to pit you against me back then and after I analysed the problem that was the solution to get you on the side of Meyer.

So, are you ready to give us a real voltage reading using an oscilloscope and your differential probe at points D&E or do we stop progress for you because you aren't willing to share that information? This is a choice you have to make as I can't walk through this door for you. Don't worry about showing us low voltage readings as the goal is to get your voltage up, okay?

Recap from the 2013 Global BEM interview, what did I state is the goal we are trying to achieve in how we go about breaking the bonds of the water molecules with this technology? Ionization, correct? Now the rules for ionizing atoms don't change for anyone. If electricity is used then it takes a high voltage potential difference to get the atoms to release their electrons. This high voltage potential difference must be applied to the plates of the resonant cavities of the exciter array which we are to measure at points D&E as shown in this drawing or across the individual resonant cavities themselves which is not shown in this drawing:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/circuit-scope4_zps0z3predb.jpg)
As I stated the rules for ionization don't change so just what did change to have Meyer to build all of this stuff? Answer is the medium changed as air has far more resistance than water does and this loss of resistance must be compensated for so that the conditions of ionization can be met for the targeted atoms we wish to ionize. Basically just as I stated in the 2013 Global BEM interview the conditions of air ionization must be forced on the water molecules in order to get at the atoms so that they can be ionized. As you can see my tune hasn't changed since then as I am saying the same things now as I said back then but with a little more clarity. Perhaps you have seen this equation before, E = √ (PxR), as now we need to apply it to our designs in building the VIC transformers correctly to be able to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the water fuel capacitor.

Read the right side of the photo shown below:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/2015-11-25_031811_zpsh5d681p4.png)
And perhaps we will talk more about this on a latter date.

You spoke of the past when I rose against you and I was correct in doing so as I was right back then as I am right right now but I still had more to learn and perhaps still do as I don't have all the answers.

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Thanks Man i will do the tests and share a table here soon as possible... you will see it i need to plug the old vics to do it...

i just tested my new coil... its just amazing... i never saw a transformer do the following:

it reduce the amps as frequency decreasessssssss

it increase the current consumption as the kilohertz get higher with the chokes open circuited... its very impressive...

primary over the secondary...  18 turns agains two chokes of 550turns each interleaved in the same direction,. 18awg 

i´m not sure if is it not a limitation of my Half bridge since it has only 4 capacitors to hold the current and so the greater the freauency the greater will be the current they can provide...

the transfomation fator for the coils in series is around 75 from voltage measrement,,,

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Thanks Man i will do the tests and share a table here soon as possible... you will see it i need to plug the old vics to do it...

i just tested my new coil... its just amazing... i never saw a transformer do the following:

it reduce the amps as frequency decreasessssssss

it increase the current consumption as the kilohertz get higher with the chokes open circuited... its very impressive...

primary over the secondary...  18 turns agains two chokes of 550turns each interleaved in the same direction,. 18awg 

i´m not sure if is it not a limitation of my Half bridge since it has only 4 capacitors to hold the current and so the greater the freauency the greater will be the current they can provide...

the transfomation fator for the coils in series is around 75 from voltage measrement,,,

As I told you before these transformers do not make their high voltages by way of the transformer's turn ratio.

(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/THEFIRSTVICFIGURE8XA.jpg)
Note Meyer's words in that he states that, "increased coil length equally increases applied voltage level/amp restriction..."
It's best for you to follow our lead on this and I can give you some pointers in that the chokes and secondary should have had a turn count of 2850 turns each. For as of right now you are building them all wrong trying to get high voltage by means of the transformer's turn ratio for they simply don't work that way. The way you are going right now looks good on paper but you failed to take into account the load capabilities of the transformer you are building as built that way they simply can not take the load the WFC places on them.

As you can see me going back to the old 8xa circuit was a good thing as I learned some valuable information by doing so.

So, if you build it like you are planning to do you are on your own as it's either "our way or the highway!" I for one haven't the time to be messing around with someone that comes in this late in the game and doesn't know how to follow the lead of those that are far ahead of them.

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Why the hell people are still mixing Stans Circuits?? I can't understand...