Who is right discusion

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Yea I think he did to  ...he does say on a video to use 11% ...I cant remember which one and it'll take a while of watching over them all again to find it.
Something im having a hard time finding is some reading about ions and carbon...
Ive been listening to Steve's interviews again and thinking I want to know if carbon electrodes will work in a gas processor or EEC.
Im gonna go search around and see if something comes up.
Im not so interested in building an exact replication of Stans work, I really do want to understand the exact science tho .
I wish those guys that replicated Puharich's work would come here and talk a while
Im missing all those guys...Im missing Bob Boyce and James Robey a lot...James was a good guy and I don't blame him for anything wrong any more...if he's reading this I just want to apologize for getting upset over the interview with Herman and stuff .I wish he'd come here for at least a little while and bring us up to speed with his adventures and things.
I hear Mr.Boyce finished his power adventure but I cant find out how he's doing now or how his current adventure is going if he's still doing stuff....
Im starting a new job tomorrow and its night shift 6 nights a week unless it rains a lot  so I hope to get something going soon.
Woodside's designing a new circuit and im looking forward to seeing that...
I still haven't finished my TSG circuit....I'll be doing something tho
I hope to help Seb out with some funds around Christmas time or sooner for that dern probe... or someone past that point help us get around it if its possible.
Itsa po boys dream i guess

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TGS a small questions to your "smart" brain and short reply with a few words will very apreciated :

1. Is this B+ and B- Aplied at exactly same time according to your experiences?

2. If it was, how can you explain your out of phase waveform ?

3. On a differential probe, i believe(I may not be correct if it works like differential OP amp), its expected that equal differences will output NULL instead.

4. Where you connect the two leads of probe?

5. Stan says Larger Cells will resonate on frequencies of 50khz or above, yesterday i got this strange waveform on my single-ended poor little probe:
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It was near to 62.5khz (near to 60khz it appears and starts to grow). when i rise it a little bit some 2 or 3 khz it almost disapeared.

How do you explain that phenomena?

I will waiting your replies patiently.

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TGS have you ever look at the stan documents where he says there is 24 turns or 33?

he yes have chokes where there is less turns in the state you can see it

why

well i dont know exactly yet why but i have found a reson for it... so we people thinking and working and not just only copying have a hard time designing and thinking of thigs that will have a understandable result...

after all this years, getting in the university and learning and training how to think, why should i get blind and copy?

i rather prefere to develop my theories and test them... one will work one day maybe.. theres not so many possibilities of connection...

i wish stanley meyer was here to defend himself he would have laught over what we wrote about him and sure not feel like a lier...

when i suspect someone does not tell the true i´m not calling him a lier i just say that he has his reason to say that in that way and it may be mislead you ..  this is called neuro programed language its very used to let you be convinced of something without even understand it ,.. like all this non scientists believe blindly in stan... its a feeling caused by the sequence of words he chose to explain this... and by the greed of the men

so lier is who say to have something and than dont have,  this could be: a theory, a working cell, the only right theory...

who say that know something and dont knows for me is a basic lier

who say is doing a hard job and keep posting all day on internet is a gigantic lier

i could be a part of this

i know i would be a lier if i tell you that i´m physicist and my theory is correct and you should tried because i´m sure of it... right?

yes


etc...

until someone show a cell working and explain it for real there is no right way...

for me only thing that is important is to respect mina results and hope it has some explanation why it suposed to be working... ok?

and all.. .

Now Sebosfato your taking things personally. I merely am stating the facts given this information about the VIC's that ran Meyer's dune buggy:
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As you can see there are resistance readings and the size of the wires used. With this information one can calculate how many feet of wire is in the coils all of them. What makes this data good is it is from what was actually in Meyer's setup. This is the raw data from which we need to gain more understanding of Meyer's work.
You run around telling everyone that you are getting upwards of 50kv to your cell or have you forgotten making such statements before you got your differential probe? For Meyer tells us about the working conditions of the resonant cavities you are getting 4545 volts to each of your 11 resonant cavities which is 3545 volts over what Meyer tells us is the working conditions for a resonant cavity. So, either you are telling us a tall tale or Meyer is. Can you see the problem with making these grand claims yet?

Each time you make these grand claims you are over what Meyer says is to be the working voltages for the resonant cavities given they are built to the specs which Don Gable provided for us. I have simply had enough of these grand claims that make Meyer out to be a lair and make my work on all of this appear to be utterly useless. You think it was easy learning how to put a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array which, for your information, is the load of the system in the form of resistance, IE, Re? Then you get a differential probe and refuse to give us a true voltage reading at points D&E shown in this photo:
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I know you are getting a really low voltage at these points as I have been where you are already. But your pride is such that you would even pull apart your differential probe because you don't like the readings it is giving you instead of trying to figure out how to get more voltage to the load. I know it's hard with all of this false information going about on the internet with stupids at the RWG now claiming that you need zero volts at points D&E. But come on make sense of it as is that what Meyer says in the New Zealand video? No! So again somebody is lying. Sure they have a lot of nice looking paper weights but that doesn't mean much as the rules of science isn't going to change just for them. It takes high voltage to ionize atoms with electricity to get them to start losing their electrons. This fact of science isn't going to change and can't be ignored. Meyer repeatedly states the use of high voltage being used to pull apart the water molecules.

Once I realized this I went looking to see if any other molecules where being pulled apart by taking their electrons away from the atoms that made them up and guess what? I found a whole lot of them even water being pulled apart by way of ionization in nature. I even published a working theory on all of this with a few examples found in nature to show it's validity. It turns out this is taking place so much all around us that it is mind boggling that we never seen it before but we were blind to it as we never ask the right questions.

Like everyone here I have to learn how to build this technology correctly to be able to put high voltage to the load and I am getting close to what Meyer states are the working voltages for the resonant cavities being 1kv or more per resonant cavity. Don't be like a seagull running around swallowing up everything people with nice photos tell you as if they aren't following science then what they are trying to get you to eat is not good for you. What I am doing right now is learning how to get more voltage to the load so I can finally reach the benchmark Meyer sets for us with again is 1kv or more per resonant cavity.

 

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TGS I dont believe that Meyer really worked in a KV range,  only at the coils, back EMF directed by the Diode,during the pulse off time. that produces high voltage spike at very high speed / low time.

The coils were wrapped in same direction, making part of the secondary transformer, and you can clearly see what happens with a coil in the same core in series with secondary windings with the same phase orientation... You can see it on TV flyback transformers (NOTE THAT: Stan didnt use it as flyback topology, but it work the same principle for all transformers).

Sum the 3 coils and you will see what i am talking about...

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TGS I dont believe that Meyer really worked in a KV range,  only at the coils, back EMF directed by the Diode,during the pulse off time. that produces high voltage spike at very high speed / low time.

The coils were wrapped in same direction, making part of the secondary transformer, and you can clearly see what happens with a coil in the same core in series with secondary windings with the same phase orientation... You can see it on TV flyback transformers (NOTE THAT: Stan didnt use it as flyback topology, but it work the same principle for all transformers).

Sum the 3 coils and you will see what i am talking about...

You’re on the right track but you still have to get the right tools for the job at hand, IE, a differential probe. This one isn't all that costly and works well for our needs as it reads 5kv over the benchmark Meyer set for us: https://www.globalmediapro.com/dp/A2H108/Pintek-DP-15K-Differential-Probe-35MHz-15kV/ This way you can truly see what is being applied to your load. This is a video that lets you understand how these things work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDLWQFgJ1uU

The science behind this technology isn't going to change in that the atoms of the water molecules are the true targets for ionization. Getting the voltage to the load is the tricky part and trust me you are on the right track in your line of thinking but you must expand on it greatly. When I show high voltages being applied to the exciter array, which is the load, people like to be in competition with me instead of trying to work with me to get their setups getting the same voltages. They resort to telling us all lies to make themselves look like they are doing better than I am but fail to understand the claims they make put them way past the benchmark voltage given to us by Stanley Meyer himself and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell just who is telling a tall one.
I do what I can for them but for the most part they paint themselves into a corner which forces them to defend the claims they have made and until they come clean they can never truly get back to work as most of their time will be spent on defending or hiding the claims that they have made.  I accept what the differential probe tells me and move to figure out better ways towards reaching the benchmark given to us by Meyer. I may understand the science behind it all but that still leaves me with the challenge of learning how to build it all correctly. Like you I understand these transformers don’t work like a typical transformer does as the jobs they are required to do are different from the typical transformers on the market today.
Just when I think I got my head around this something new is learned that requires a design change. Since funds are low like many of you these changes take time to be completed and put through a good round of testing. What made me stop sharing my work are all the non-stop negative comments to the work I have shown in the spirit of true Open Source. And the all-out rejection of the explanations given as to why it isn’t producing the gases at the level of what we expect it to produce based on what Meyer talks about in his many lecture videos and patent information.  I remember answering a question on why it doesn’t produce the gases at the level in which eye witnesses describe the technology doing? And the answer is given in this analogy; If one hooks up an ozone generator to a variable voltage transformer how much ozone will it create at just 20 volts of input? The answer to this question is none as that voltage is below the ionization threshold for the oxygen atoms that make up the oxygen molecules.  They didn’t like this simple analogy and they didn’t understand the science behind the technology at the time and many still don’t to this day.
So, as you can see there is not much I can do for them but move on and leave them behind and behind I have left them.  When I talk about the science now it’s like I am coming out of left field from their perspective as they are still a long ways behind me in their understanding of this technology, and there is not much I can do about that.

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TGS there is a part that people dont understand.

"less than half an Amp".

This is not for the source of voltage, but over the secondary or whatever.
Some stupid people think that the dune buggy consumed about 7 to 12w per VIC and the proof is that amplitude control for the voltage works with a Lm317 (or LMx17 family) linear regulator  that can easy handle 1A, coupled with 2n3055 NPN power transistor making a capable 4 to 6 Amp 2.5 to 12V Regulator, there is a reason why.

Power in = Power out

For example: 12vx5A=60W in a transformer VIC (in a ideal non realistic) at secondary it will deliver(for example) 100V @ 0.6A
or if someone interested 2KV @ 0.03A (30ma) using that primary @ 12Vx5A.

People, dont get illuded about the 0.5A 12V.

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It's more than that as they hear only what they want to hear and ignore all else. They will learn about transformer turn ratios and then do the math and come up with a 1:30 or higher turn ratio transformer not realizing that they have just planed to build and/or have built a "Glass Joe" transformer for as soon as they go to hook it up to a load the legs will drop out from underneath it. The simply skipped over the parts that talks about power factor and transformer losses.
They think that because on paper it says it will kick out 10kv with 50 volts input that it must be doing that even though it's not reading so on their test equipment. I have seen people build step up transformers with a turn ratio of 1:150 as that is what the math they worked out said must be the turn ratio of the transformer to reach these voltages they would like to get at points D&E. They have no idea that that supper "Glass Joe"  transformer doesn't have enough power to push a fly let alone a Mack truck up a hill. They know enough to be dangerous and they prove this by putting down the good work of others with the work they have done mostly in their heads as they haven't bothered to build anything or if they have built something they lie to themselves about the results as on paper it says it will produce these voltages.

They make claims that confuse others as the claims they make are better than what the inventor Stanley Meyer says he did. Meyer says he put upwards of 20kv to a water fuel capacitor and these people go around telling people they put 50kv to the same type of water fuel capacitor. It's a sad thing to see as most just take their word to be good as gold and never ask them to show proof of what they are claiming.  Their supporters even get mad at me for asking them to show the proof of what they are claiming. But this is a double edge sword as their lies also go to trap them in their made up worlds.

I use to be very open about my work but as time went on I found out that people truly get punished for their acts of kindness in today's world. I'd figure something out and share my results with the group and then someone else would take credit for it. This happened so many times that I have truly lost count as I managed to change the course of the river concerning this technology quite a few times, but you don't know about it as that information is never talked about with my name as someone else took the credit for it. It didn't take me long to see that people truly wanted me out of the way as soon as they thought they have learned enough from me to take the lead away from me.  Did you know that the "Nitrogen Theory" was based on someone misinterpreting my work? Once they felt they knew enough they simply stabbed me in the back and took off with their newly stolen theories that they didn't understand all that well and ran with it.

I think everyone new should stop working on the water fuel capacitor and start with the air gas processor as it is far easier to ionize the atoms that make up the oxygen molecules than it is to get at the atoms that make up the water molecules as the air places a far less load on the transformers due to the fact that the air has a much higher resistance than water does. From this device they can start to learn how this technology actually works and once the have a handle on it can go back to the water fuel capacitor with a basic working knowledge of the technology. I remember trying to get people to take a look at the gas processor on this site and getting the boot for my efforts in trying to do so.
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The Gas Processor is a whole lot easier to understand than the water fuel capacitor and since Air has a dielectric value of one it isn't all that hard to do the math.
Getting tired, I might write some more on the topic a bit later.

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Now when it comes to this technology I think I have done a great job at explaining the science behind the patents as I haven't changed my tune one bit since the 2013 Global BEM. The treatment I have gotten for my work is nothing less than pathetic. I show my work and it's ridiculed, I show the science and someone that knows nothing comes in and tears it down and everyone takes their word when they have shown zero results and a lot of times they don't even have the needed test equipment in order to view this technology.

Now I have given up on people as even when I have taken the time to actually tell someone how this technology truly works they feel the need to publically take a crap on me as how it truly works is far from how they thought it worked. Now I will just go along with the company mission of getting this technology built for those that need it most as I feel I have done my part in Open Source even at times doing things that changed the course of the river. Open Source however has shown me nothing but disdain for the most part so it's now all about the new mission as the answers to questions I got from Open Source showed me that this isn't how the people are going to actually get this technology. Too much ego worship, lying, and competition, and not enough cooperation, work load sharing or sharing in general. People show up for pats on the back instead of the hard truth and trust me nothing will be gained like that.

I show waveforms' that show high voltage being applied to the load and not only do people not want to talk about it they seem to feel mad about what they are seeing. Most of the time I don't get it as everything I am doing goes hand in hand with the words of Stanley Meyer in how things should be working as I am applying a high voltage to the load and restricting the amps at the same time just as Meyer says should be going on. But the responses I get are the total opposite of what expected to get from most but not all say like 99.5% bad. Reading the comments on the interview video shows exactly what I am talking about. Instead of others showing their work and more progress being made the total opposite takes place in a truly mean and even hurtful way. People take it as a place to have competition with me instead of a place to share and improve upon our results together. Basically I have been forced to go it alone and now I have accepted that and moved on and truly left everyone behind in doing so. Now when I talk most simply have no idea what I am talking about and they make rash judgmental comments only to find out that I was right the whole time sometime later. Ionization is the key to this technology and we must figure out a way to go about doing it in water just as we do in air realizing the only thing that has truly changed is the medium we are trying to ionize the atoms in as the rules for ionization don't change.

I took the time to watch the interview video again and feel comfortable in that I told the truth to the best of my abilities to do so at that point of my understanding about this technology. I think things our totally out of my hands now for I have put forth the science, proved the science, and showed limited positive results that appear to heading in the right direction. I talk about what Meyer tells us is a benchmark as far as what voltages we should be striving for as no one can say anything about Meyer's truth level until they reach the benchmark he states in the patents. This means you must get 1kv or more to the load measured at points D&E shown in the post with turn count data in it. You must get the right tools for the task at hand and not doing so means your out as you can't show up as a Doctor to perform heart surgery with a butter knife in your hands to work with as that is just not going to cut it.

More than likely this will be the year this technology comes out. How many of us will take the hard task of building this for the masses will be shown as time moves on. One thing I have hopefully made clear is not everyone can build this technology even with a complete set of plans in their hands so someone is going to have to step up to the plate and build it for them, and you must ask yourself, "Am I that someone?"