Stan Meyer Videography and Discussion Update

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the center tube must be connected to somewhere probably to the amp inhibiting coil

the spacing gap is not exactly the same for each of the tubes but would be for flat plates

But what intriguing me is whats the benefit of a ground plane there in the middle?

should it be a perfurated plate to allow ions contact?

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Yea see that's why I question it cuz Stan used only 2 tubes and he has the water labeled as "ground". So if you ground the center-tap and connect the +12V lead and -12V lead to the tubes, the cell doesn't see the voltage as being +12V and -12V....it just see's it as being +24v. I'm going to build a small +12v and -12v power supply and connect it to the two tubes and measure the current and voltage.

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Here is a example of a dual voltage source being applied to capacitor and resistors in parallel which resemble a fuel cell, that are 2 sets in series (2 fuel cells in series) . Between the 2 sets in series acts as a common giving me a negative and positive voltage reading from two probe points.

http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
under file of this java app click import and put the following code into the window

$ 1 5.0E-6 1.5642631884188172 50 5.0 50
t 272 112 304 112 0 -1 -0.6734268138587165 -0.6834763289542725 100.0
t 272 320 304 320 0 1 0.6734268138587147 0.6834763289542689 100.0
w 304 128 304 160 0
w 304 160 432 160 0
c 432 160 432 208 0 1.0E-6 11.989950484904444
c 432 208 432 256 0 1.0E-6 11.989950484904446
w 304 304 304 288 0
w 304 288 304 272 0
w 304 272 432 272 0
w 432 272 432 256 0
r 496 160 496 208 0 500.0
r 496 208 496 272 0 500.0
w 496 272 432 272 0
w 496 208 432 208 0
w 496 160 432 160 0
w 432 208 288 208 0
R 304 96 304 48 0 0 40.0 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
R 288 208 240 208 0 0 40.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
R 304 336 304 400 0 0 40.0 -12.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
r 272 112 208 112 0 440.0
r 272 320 208 320 0 440.0
R 208 320 144 320 0 2 500.0 6.0 -6.0 0.0 0.5
R 208 112 128 112 0 2 500.0 6.0 6.0 3.141592653589793 0.5
w 544 160 496 160 0
w 544 208 496 208 0
w 544 272 496 272 0
o 23 8 0 35 40.0 9.765625E-5 0 -1
o 25 8 0 291 40.0 9.765625E-5 0 -1

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This is what I mean by what the cell would see.

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Here is a example that looks more like what Stan's picture pf output for the crossover vic.. The circuit is not the same, Im sending a AC wave into the primary of the center tapped transformer. In the simulator there isn't a way to simulate a fuel cell with 3 tubes.. More or less a 3 tube cell is similar to the idea of 2 capacitors in series..

This example is nothing more than a dual voltage supply transformer that does not have big enough capacitor values to filter the output properly... If you increase the caps to 1000uf you will see the output turns into smooth steady dc voltage..

http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
under file of this java app click import and put the following code into the window

$ 1 5.0E-6 10.634267539816555 38 5.0 50
169 128 176 224 176 0 1.0 10.0 -1.0655084171787843 0.05226968535574433 0.05226968535574425
r 464 144 464 192 0 500.0
r 464 224 464 272 0 500.0
c 432 144 432 192 0 1.0E-6 17.41365434764428
c 432 224 432 272 0 1.0E-6 17.41365434764435
w 432 272 464 272 0
w 432 272 368 272 0
w 432 224 432 208 0
w 432 208 368 208 0
w 432 208 464 208 0
w 464 208 464 224 0
w 464 208 464 192 0
w 432 208 432 192 0
w 432 144 368 144 2
w 464 144 432 144 0
d 272 208 304 176 1 0.805904783
d 304 240 336 208 1 0.805904783
d 272 208 304 240 1 0.805904783
d 304 176 336 208 1 0.805904783
w 224 176 304 176 0
w 224 240 304 240 0
w 272 208 272 272 0
w 272 272 368 272 0
w 368 144 336 144 0
w 336 144 336 208 0
w 224 208 224 304 0
w 224 304 368 304 0
w 368 304 368 208 0
v 128 176 128 240 0 1 60.0 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
g 464 208 496 208 0
o 13 32 0 34 80.0 0.1 0 -1
o 6 32 0 294 80.0 0.1 0 -1

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Yeah but what I'm talking about is the cell having only 2 tubes/plates and not ground connection in the cell. The only connections would be the +v and -v to the two tubes/plates.

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The only reason why I have a ground connection in the cell for this set up is because the simulator will not recognize that point as the reference point for its scope readings.. technically that ground symbol would not be there in the real circuit.. and it doesn't effect this circuit in any bad way for the example..

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scope shot from a while back