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ionized HHO
« on: November 25, 2012, 19:46:40 pm »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANIeycEhe2o&feature=channel&list=UL

Look at 6:17

It takes 15 volts to ionize HHO.
Then he makes some bangs with his HHO in this and some other video of him.
I thought today to test this, because this brought back some memories to my earlier platecells.

I think i can confirm the fact that the bang is much louder if you use normal tapwater and higher voltage then that you comply to the law of electrolysis and use KOH with water and run it on a 1,48v level.

Same amount of gas, bangs really different!
This dude is right.
Thats why i ran my engines much better on my smaller cells with higher voltage per plate then when i made bigger cells and the engine didnt run better with more gas!

This is something to remember.
For you boosterboys, i think that you should change designs.....

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Re: ionized HHO
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2012, 22:07:53 pm »
Actually, the guy writes further that he then uses sunlight to saturate the proton of the watermolecule.
Is that possible? Can protons be saturated by some kind of UV light source?

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Re: ionized HHO
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2012, 23:22:39 pm »
got it..

Ozone in the ozone layer filters out sunlight wavelengths from about 200 nm UV rays to 315 nm, with ozone peak absorption at about 250 nm.[17] This ozone UV absorption is important to life, since it extends the absorption of UV by ordinary oxygen and nitrogen in air (which absorbs all wavelengths < 200 nm) through the lower UV-C (200 nm-280 nm) and the entire UV-B band (280 nm-315 nm).


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Re: ionized HHO
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2012, 23:27:03 pm »
more:


One clever trick that has never quite worked is using ozone instead of oxygen. Energy is needed to cram an extra oxygen atom into the standard two-atom oxygen molecule. When you burn ozone you get the normal energy from combustion, plus that extra bit back. This additional energy results in a Ve (when burned with hydrogen) of around 4700 m/s, much like fluorine but without all that nasty active chemistry in the exhaust products. Problem is, ozone is metastable, and tends to spontaneously revert to standard oxygen, releasing the energy uncontrollably. The low temperature of liquid ozone slows this but doesn't completely eliminate it. And if one molecule decomposes, the energy released may cause two or three others to let go, starting a chain reaction which detonates your launch vehicle on the pad. Or your storage tanks in the tank farm.

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Re: ionized HHO
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2012, 23:33:42 pm »
My conclusion for this day is:

It seems that electrolysis with a higher voltage between electrodes provide oxygen and hydrogen atoms which are in a higher energy state.
If you add UV light, lower then 350nm to the fresh HHO gas, you create O3, which is ozon. If you burn ozon with hydrogen, you get even more power.

Stage 1 is normale electrolysis with basic HHO gas  (you need a lot of it)
Stage 2 is  + 15 volts and higher electrolysis with HHO gas in a higher energy state. ( you need less amount of gas)
Stage 3 is same as stage 2 plus UV light to push the fresh oxygen atoms from the HHO gas into ozon. ( You need even less gas then stage 2)

If anybody has ideas or comments........


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Re: ionized HHO
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2012, 03:59:03 am »
In my opinion, Ozone is the exact opposite of what we ultimately want to achieve. The opposite of Ozone is highly charged(positive) Oxygen atoms or otherwise known as "Nascent", "Ionized", or even "Monoatomic" in some cases. The same goes for Hydrogen, although, there is only one electron to deal with. The higher voltages of 15V and on up can easily ionize both O2 and H2 to their monoatomic state resulting in increased energy output from the combustion of the two gases.

Unstable gases such as these don't stay fully charged for very long. To get the most energy from the process, the nascent gases need to be used almost instantly after the disassociation occurs. It doesn't take very much time before these atoms become stable again to form O2, O3, H2, and the likes. Atoms don't like to be unstable and will do almost anything to get back to a stable state.

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Re: ionized HHO
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2012, 17:10:01 pm »
great from your post, i thought about this.

http://open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=825

then later version of wfc,it is very small.cause that way.ionize+laser to ambient air.

maybe need hho only 4.8 lpm for run 100km/h.

thanks
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Re: ionized HHO
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2012, 20:16:06 pm »
Well, after watching this video, I think I need to re-examine my thoughts... What do you think about this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foIWltOShO0&feature=r-vrec