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Stanley Meyer => General Stan Meyer topics => Topic started by: Steve on November 03, 2013, 21:06:35 pm
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Hi folks,
Go have a look at this video of Edward Mitchel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhQusfWuac
Best regards
Steve
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3kv and no bubles!sounds familiar?voltage doing work?yea i saw the work!
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yeah, I know what you mean, what work?
I used a titanium positive tube with a ss negative tube and reached 3kv of course with no bubbles to speak of....
lurking, KB
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hmmm, critical audience here.
Edward says in the video that the second vic coil at that setup is not working anymore.
And also that the threshold of that cell is 7KV.
So, not much action at 3kv is reasonable.
I want to see that cell at 7kv.
I can ask Edward to make a video of that, dont you think?
Steve
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Yep, of course, I read my post, ya got a case, yet a herd of us are stuck at just this point... symptoms of a weakening passion
Kb
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Escuses,escuses...3kv and no bubles,and at 7kv a little more bubles about 0.3lpm.I dond want to see any video with 7kv,beutiful waveform,fancy software pulser,transformer...and the result 3 bubles,yeey wich canot run a very smal remote control car.And lets say hooks up 10 transformers and produce 5lpm with no amps,5lpm is useless,and then build the gas procesor with his own transformer then search for magical freq. wich makes the oxigen atom unstable and lose electrons...bla bla...and let say you acomplish this,you double the power of 5lpm to 10lpm wich is also uselless...I said a year ago that theese tiny 3inch cells wound produce enough gas no mater how high the voltage...thats why i'm working on the alternator setup..figured how Stan wound his alt but that style didnt work obvius!
Cheers!
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hmmm, critical audience here.
Edward says in the video that the second vic coil at that setup is not working anymore.
And also that the threshold of that cell is 7KV.
So, not much action at 3kv is reasonable.
I want to see that cell at 7kv.
I can ask Edward to make a video of that, dont you think?
Steve
I ask by email.
No anwer yet...
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after he adds a secound vic and nothing happens he will say,oh,no,the treshold voltage is 10kv,wait untill y built another,and in the end...crap production...all meyer setups have something in comoun =crap production,people worked for 10years searching magical freq and when they found it, crap production...
stan mentioned 5 galon/hour water disociation from 1 small tube,but in the end production was so low that had to built the gas procesor..lame...
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I have not seen or heard of any legitimate replication either. None of them have ever offered any insight into what takes place when this resonance is reached. Major noticeable and unexplainable things occur when it happens.
The stuff Stan mentions in the memos are spot on accurate. He would never ever reveal how he cracked the water with voltage. All of the crap he put out was for public consumption and for the thieves who would want to cash in on him.
That stuff is nothing but high efficiency electrolysis. If that is what people seek, then they need to do their switching from the high side of the circuit with an scr at 150v - 200v. 50% duty. If the voltage is pulsed before going thru the scr by a transistor, the current limiting can be done very accurately between the transistor pulse, the scr and the positive choke resonating. You can see on the scope the pulse ending and the scr shutting off.
You better also plan on having an EEC because you will pull out electrons at an almost 8:1 ratio of whats being consumed on the low side. So one amp of consumption on the low side, will result in at least 8amps worth of electrons coming into the positive choke.
While we are at it, we can make a 3-23 transformer with a PLL circuit, that can take those electrons and use them to magnetize a core and create an extra pulse, it will pick up the pulse from the first circuit, Charge and fire between cycles at the frequency of the first circuit. Why would I burn a damn light bulb when I can make an extra pulse!!!. That is so misleading. This is why the secondary is wired backwards on the 3-23. The electrons cluster between the negative choke and the positive side of the secondary that is connected backwards. this is also why the coils are all about the same size. So you can make an extra pulse with it or reroute the electrons thru it while the first circuit is firing. That's a matter of phasing. And may create an imbalance.
If the high side is fast enough, it wont see any current being consumed. The scr is the only thing I have found fast enough. PS, Stan wants you to lock the current across the water before it shuts off. But if you pulse the filtered DC voltage you can shut it off anyways. However you should want to have the positive choke resonance commutate it.
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I have not seen or heard of any legitimate replication either. None of them have ever offered any insight into what takes place when this resonance is reached. Major noticeable and unexplainable things occur when it happens.
The stuff Stan mentions in the memos are spot on accurate. He would never ever reveal how he cracked the water with voltage. All of the crap he put out was for public consumption and for the thieves who would want to cash in on him.
That stuff is nothing but high efficiency electrolysis. If that is what people seek, then they need to do their switching from the high side of the circuit with an scr at 150v - 200v. 50% duty. If the voltage is pulsed before going thru the scr by a transistor, the current limiting can be done very accurately between the transistor pulse, the scr and the positive choke resonating. You can see on the scope the pulse ending and the scr shutting off.
You better also plan on having an EEC because you will pull out electrons at an almost 8:1 ratio of whats being consumed on the low side. So one amp of consumption on the low side, will result in at least 8amps worth of electrons coming into the positive choke.
While we are at it, we can make a 3-23 transformer with a PLL circuit, that can take those electrons and use them to magnetize a core and create an extra pulse, it will pick up the pulse from the first circuit, Charge and fire between cycles at the frequency of the first circuit. Why would I burn a damn light bulb when I can make an extra pulse!!!. That is so misleading. This is why the secondary is wired backwards on the 3-23. The electrons cluster between the negative choke and the positive side of the secondary that is connected backwards. this is also why the coils are all about the same size. So you can make an extra pulse with it or reroute the electrons thru it while the first circuit is firing. That's a matter of phasing. And may create an imbalance.
If the high side is fast enough, it wont see any current being consumed. The scr is the only thing I have found fast enough. PS, Stan wants you to lock the current across the water before it shuts off. But if you pulse the filtered DC voltage you can shut it off anyways. However you should want to have the positive choke resonance commutate it.
Adys you are right Ed Mitchell is full of shit, period !!
He has nothing, but hey give him money he is doing the scientific method....LOL what a scam....lol..ha ha ha
Neal Ward
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I will add a little more.
I guess people cant figure out that Stan switched the circuit off so fast that the current couldn't cross the water. The key is to make the self inductance of the chokes cut off the scr before the current can cross the water.
You cant use unfiltered DC unless you have the adjustable plate cell, because you cant take the 120hz voltage higher with a narrow gap, only way around that is to keep switching in more tubes. That makes the gap wider.
The other way I came up with is what I describe above. Filtered DC -> Transistor pulsing at cell frequency -> scr -> choke. The scr turns on with your gate pulse shared with the EEC.
Don't waste your time with mosfets they bleed the current across the cell. The method I describe, is failsafe. The SCR will turn off regardless of the choke commutating it. and with the scope you can time it perfect.
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Seb:
I've often thought that about mosfets. Can you share your scr circuit for me to replicate? public or private, thanks much again
kb
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The circuit is fairly simple. like Meyers patent circuit. I think the key is the holding current on the scr.
The choke should be able to commutate the scr off.
When I first did it, I used a variac with a bridge an scr and a choke.
When I would turn on the scr, it would bleed the current across the cell and lock in at full current. (then its impossible to shut it off)
The scr would blow or I would kick out the main breaker in the house. I went thru a pile of scr's I got from work.
Then I remembered I had ordered some off the internet, I put one of them in and presto, the damn thing worked, It was so fast the mains couldn't detect any current draw. I even soldered a piece of 37ga wire across a blown fuse and put that in the variac, it never blew.
What I quickly figured out was that I needed a variable plate cell to widen the gap so I could take the voltage up on the variac. But that didn't stop me, I jacked up the volts anyways. It still current limited itself, but the water started heating. (need bigger gap)
The interesting thing was that the tiny scr never even got warm. Quite bizarre I must say. You would never think it would work.
So I then learned that the frequency of the voltage needed to be adjustable for the tiny cell.
I figured that if I smoothed the DC voltage and pulsed it thru a transistor to the scr, I would be able to control the frequency and the commutation of the scr.
You can use a 555 or a 4047 with a opto coupler to pulse the voltage going to the scr . Then run another 555 thru an opto coupler to the scr, when it fires, the gate pulse from it will hold the scr down and let the pulses thru it, The choke will self commutate and keep shutting it off between frequency pulses (your 50% duty cycle frequency pulses) Very simply, you can take the Dave Lawton circuit separate the outputs and run them thru opto couplers.
Now the scr I used was a S4006LS2 from futurlec. I used the 4010 version when I pulsed the voltage. Its a very small scr TO220 case. Don't let size deceive you, because your not really drawing anything but milliamps thru it. Think of the positive choke like its a spring, when the scr closes the Self Inductance field forms around the choke,(its compressed) you want to turn that scr off just as it forms. If it shuts off in time the power supply dosent see a current draw.
If you use an adjustable plate cell, you can figure out the choke sizing and cell sizing really fast. Naturally there is going to be heat where there is water breaking apart, you can remove that with a 3-23 transformer connected to the cell also or try to burn a light bulb. It should pulse itself and run out of phase with the scr circuit, because its secondarys connected backwards. The amplitude at which you pulse the primary on the 3-23 will determine the amplitude of the overall circuit, because the 3-23 secondary is nothing but a variable resistor between the cell.
So, lets add up all the gaps on Meyers 10 tube cells?. That number will be the total gap distance on the single plate variable cell, which means he had a high voltage going to the cells. lets not kid ourselves, we can see the heavy gauge wire connected in series to that setup. Being connected in series also lowers the capacitance of the cells.
Also, if he is breaking all that water apart, where is the EEC circuit?. Its the 3-23. It also unloads the positive choke.
Overall, to run that setup on the dune buggy Circuit One needs to be figured out more precisely. That we do not have. Im guessing that it also ran on a PLL and the frequency of the voltage to the scr was adjusted automatically and power came from an alternator.
I think that the 10 cells can be eliminated to one cell and one EEC. I think Stan didn't want people to see how easy it was being done.
http://share.pdfonline.com/5ae59a0009f44562b8c325f6045f67fb/commutation.htm (http://share.pdfonline.com/5ae59a0009f44562b8c325f6045f67fb/commutation.htm)
See Class (A)........ Add 3-23 transformer in place of (R) .
Water becomes part of the circuit. The electrons get pulled from the water, before the electrons from the circuit can pass thru the water. The resistance of the 3-23 chokes play a very big part in this. 75ohms a piece. Does that ring a bell with Stan mentioning the resistance of water all the time. In the NZ video he even mentions re-routing Electrons around the Cell.
The 3-23 dosent give a pulse until the magnetic field is removed from it, remember its being charged up by Circuit 1. The amplitude on the primary is controlling the magnetic field, that is opposing the current thru the chokes from circuit 1.(simply put) The 3-23 core controls how much the chokes induct..
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The circuit is fairly simple. like Meyers patent circuit. I think the key is the holding current on the scr.
The choke should be able to commutate the scr off.
When I first did it, I used a variac with a bridge an scr and a choke.
When I would turn on the scr, it would bleed the current across the cell and lock in at full current. (then its impossible to shut it off)
The scr would blow or I would kick out the main breaker in the house. I went thru a pile of scr's I got from work.
Then I remembered I had ordered some off the internet, I put one of them in and presto, the damn thing worked, It was so fast the mains couldn't detect any current draw. I even soldered a piece of 37ga wire across a blown fuse and put that in the variac, it never blew.
What I quickly figured out was that I needed a variable plate cell to widen the gap so I could take the voltage up on the variac. But that didn't stop me, I jacked up the volts anyways. It still current limited itself, but the water started heating. (need bigger gap)
The interesting thing was that the tiny scr never even got warm. Quite bizarre I must say. You would never think it would work.
So I then learned that the frequency of the voltage needed to be adjustable for the tiny cell.
I figured that if I smoothed the DC voltage and pulsed it thru a transistor to the scr, I would be able to control the frequency and the commutation of the scr.
You can use a 555 or a 4047 with a opto coupler to pulse the voltage going to the scr . Then run another 555 thru an opto coupler to the scr, when it fires, the gate pulse from it will hold the scr down and let the pulses thru it, The choke will self commutate and keep shutting it off between frequency pulses (your 50% duty cycle frequency pulses) Very simply, you can take the Dave Lawton circuit separate the outputs and run them thru opto couplers.
Now the scr I used was a S4006LS2 from futurlec. I used the 4010 version when I pulsed the voltage. Its a very small scr TO220 case. Don't let size deceive you, because your not really drawing anything but milliamps thru it. Think of the positive choke like its a spring, when the scr closes the Self Inductance field forms around the choke,(its compressed) you want to turn that scr off just as it forms. If it shuts off in time the power supply dosent see a current draw.
If you use an adjustable plate cell, you can figure out the choke sizing and cell sizing really fast. Naturally there is going to be heat where there is water breaking apart, you can remove that with a 3-23 transformer connected to the cell also or try to burn a light bulb. It should pulse itself and run out of phase with the scr circuit, because its secondarys connected backwards. The amplitude at which you pulse the primary on the 3-23 will determine the amplitude of the overall circuit, because the 3-23 secondary is nothing but a variable resistor between the cell.
So, lets add up all the gaps on Meyers 10 tube cells?. That number will be the total gap distance on the single plate variable cell, which means he had a high voltage going to the cells. lets not kid ourselves, we can see the heavy gauge wire connected in series to that setup. Being connected in series also lowers the capacitance of the cells.
Also, if he is breaking all that water apart, where is the EEC circuit?. Its the 3-23. It also unloads the positive choke.
Overall, to run that setup on the dune buggy Circuit One needs to be figured out more precisely. That we do not have. Im guessing that it also ran on a PLL and the frequency of the voltage to the scr was adjusted automatically and power came from an alternator.
I think that the 10 cells can be eliminated to one cell and one EEC. I think Stan didn't want people to see how easy it was being done.
http://share.pdfonline.com/5ae59a0009f44562b8c325f6045f67fb/commutation.htm (http://share.pdfonline.com/5ae59a0009f44562b8c325f6045f67fb/commutation.htm)
See Class (A)........ Add 3-23 transformer in place of (R) .
Water becomes part of the circuit. The electrons get pulled from the water, before the electrons from the circuit can pass thru the water. The resistance of the 3-23 chokes play a very big part in this. 75ohms a piece. Does that ring a bell with Stan mentioning the resistance of water all the time. In the NZ video he even mentions re-routing Electrons around the Cell.
The 3-23 dosent give a pulse until the magnetic field is removed from it, remember its being charged up by Circuit 1. The amplitude on the primary is controlling the magnetic field, that is opposing the current thru the chokes from circuit 1.(simply put) The 3-23 core controls how much the chokes induct..
Thank you Hardkrome,
Very well written.
The multi million dollar question is if it brought you something.
Switch the power off when current starts floating was one of my first thoughts, years ago. So i am happy with your explanation.
Thanks also for explaining the SCR setup.
Steve
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It hasn't brought me much, because I keep finding out more stuff and keep making more boards. I know what im looking for it to do. Im busy on eliminating the scr and re-creating that circuit #1.
When Stan Meyer resonance is achieved, it is a phenomena. He calls it "pulse voltage frequency" it literally transmits thru stuff . The only way to control it is with the 3-23 by means of resistance. Adjusting your voltage down won't control it either once it starts
Replicating a phenomena is like looking for the needle in the haystack. Its something you cant figure out with textbooks because its not in them. The signal will change similar to what PuharIch mentions.
I have worked hard at this for 7 yrs, I do know that higher powers give the knowledge to do these types of things. They have always given me something when im about to quit. They make me learn it.
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When Stan Meyer resonance is achieved, it is a phenomena. . The only way to control it is with the 3-23 by means of resistance.
The signal will change similar to what PuharIch mentions.
Hey HardKrome, what is a 3-23 and have you discovered the conditions why the signal changes?
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What I quickly figured out was that I needed a variable plate cell to widen the gap so I could take the voltage up on the variac. But that didn't stop me, I jacked up the volts anyways. It still current limited itself, but the water started heating. (need bigger gap)
The interesting thing was that the tiny scr never even got warm. Quite bizarre I must say. You would never think it would work.
Hi Hard Krome.
What choke and cell you used , and what voltage you reached when water started heating, tell please?
Thank for sharing and ansver.
andy
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Hi Hard Krome.
What choke and cell you used , and what voltage you reached when water started heating, tell please?
Thank for sharing and ansver.
andy
If I told you what I used, then you would make the same mistakes I did wouldn't you?. Make A variable plate cell and use the 8xa circuit posted on this site. Make that thing work right first, When you get it current limiting, then move to the next step.
I figured out the scr 5yrs ago btw. Im working on something better.
We do not know exactly how circuit one was built, its gone. the 8xa is the closest thing to it. It is archaic but it will work along with the variable plate cell to figure out the whole thing.
The water heats because the electrons need removed. You convert their energy by way of resistance, converting that into an electromagnetic field that magnetizes a core, that creates a pulse which goes back into the cell. You do not burn a light bulb.
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Hi Hard Krome.
What choke and cell you used , and what voltage you reached when water started heating, tell please?
Thank for sharing and ansver.
andy
If I told you what I used, then you would make the same mistakes I did wouldn't you?. Make A variable plate cell and use the 8xa circuit posted on this site. Make that thing work right first, When you get it current limiting, then move to the next step.
I figured out the scr 5yrs ago btw. Im working on something better.
We do not know exactly how circuit one was built, its gone. the 8xa is the closest thing to it. It is archaic but it will work along with the variable plate cell to figure out the whole thing.
The water heats because the electrons need removed. You convert their energy by way of resistance, converting that into an electromagnetic field that magnetizes a core, that creates a pulse which goes back into the cell. You do not burn a light bulb.
What size of the choke and cell must be to kommutate the scr? I dont have variable plate cell :(
Please told me what you used. I want do it current limiting.
Thanks
andy
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The circuit is fairly simple. like Meyers patent circuit. I think the key is the holding current on the scr.
The choke should be able to commutate the scr off.
When I first did it, I used a variac with a bridge an scr and a choke.
When I would turn on the scr, it would bleed the current across the cell and lock in at full current. (then its impossible to shut it off)
The scr would blow or I would kick out the main breaker in the house. I went thru a pile of scr's I got from work.
Then I remembered I had ordered some off the internet, I put one of them in and presto, the damn thing worked, It was so fast the mains couldn't detect any current draw. I even soldered a piece of 37ga wire across a blown fuse and put that in the variac, it never blew.
What I quickly figured out was that I needed a variable plate cell to widen the gap so I could take the voltage up on the variac. But that didn't stop me, I jacked up the volts anyways. It still current limited itself, but the water started heating. (need bigger gap)
The interesting thing was that the tiny scr never even got warm. Quite bizarre I must say. You would never think it would work.
So I then learned that the frequency of the voltage needed to be adjustable for the tiny cell.
I figured that if I smoothed the DC voltage and pulsed it thru a transistor to the scr, I would be able to control the frequency and the commutation of the scr.
You can use a 555 or a 4047 with a opto coupler to pulse the voltage going to the scr . Then run another 555 thru an opto coupler to the scr, when it fires, the gate pulse from it will hold the scr down and let the pulses thru it, The choke will self commutate and keep shutting it off between frequency pulses (your 50% duty cycle frequency pulses) Very simply, you can take the Dave Lawton circuit separate the outputs and run them thru opto couplers.
Now the scr I used was a S4006LS2 from futurlec. I used the 4010 version when I pulsed the voltage. Its a very small scr TO220 case. Don't let size deceive you, because your not really drawing anything but milliamps thru it. Think of the positive choke like its a spring, when the scr closes the Self Inductance field forms around the choke,(its compressed) you want to turn that scr off just as it forms. If it shuts off in time the power supply dosent see a current draw.
If you use an adjustable plate cell, you can figure out the choke sizing and cell sizing really fast. Naturally there is going to be heat where there is water breaking apart, you can remove that with a 3-23 transformer connected to the cell also or try to burn a light bulb. It should pulse itself and run out of phase with the scr circuit, because its secondarys connected backwards. The amplitude at which you pulse the primary on the 3-23 will determine the amplitude of the overall circuit, because the 3-23 secondary is nothing but a variable resistor between the cell.
So, lets add up all the gaps on Meyers 10 tube cells?. That number will be the total gap distance on the single plate variable cell, which means he had a high voltage going to the cells. lets not kid ourselves, we can see the heavy gauge wire connected in series to that setup. Being connected in series also lowers the capacitance of the cells.
Also, if he is breaking all that water apart, where is the EEC circuit?. Its the 3-23. It also unloads the positive choke.
Overall, to run that setup on the dune buggy Circuit One needs to be figured out more precisely. That we do not have. Im guessing that it also ran on a PLL and the frequency of the voltage to the scr was adjusted automatically and power came from an alternator.
I think that the 10 cells can be eliminated to one cell and one EEC. I think Stan didn't want people to see how easy it was being done.
http://share.pdfonline.com/5ae59a0009f44562b8c325f6045f67fb/commutation.htm (http://share.pdfonline.com/5ae59a0009f44562b8c325f6045f67fb/commutation.htm)
See Class (A)........ Add 3-23 transformer in place of (R) .
Water becomes part of the circuit. The electrons get pulled from the water, before the electrons from the circuit can pass thru the water. The resistance of the 3-23 chokes play a very big part in this. 75ohms a piece. Does that ring a bell with Stan mentioning the resistance of water all the time. In the NZ video he even mentions re-routing Electrons around the Cell.
The 3-23 dosent give a pulse until the magnetic field is removed from it, remember its being charged up by Circuit 1. The amplitude on the primary is controlling the magnetic field, that is opposing the current thru the chokes from circuit 1.(simply put) The 3-23 core controls how much the chokes induct..
Hi HardKromo,
I am interested in the SCR schematic that you use.
Do you want to share this?
Steve
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Im working on putting something together. Here it is so far, Its thrown together from various circuits. But this is the basic idea.
There are lots of variables to play with, you can try a 555 to pulse the voltage, but you cant go over 70% duty without drawing current thru the low side.(maybe I will change that) You can use the 8xa circuit for a reference. or even modify it.
On my circuit, I will add another scr and invert the 555 signal to it. That way you can run the EEC.
Im thinking of using a p channel mosfet to pulse the voltage. I used a 200v darlington .
Please don't waste your time making this unless you have a variable plate cell. If you don't have one make one. or else You will hit a voltage limit and just turn the cell into a water heater. (or use 24" tube cells like Meyer did)
Electron removal. I think this is the best and second best way to do it. I used a glass sealed heating element. 12v 25w was all I had laying around. It got hot, and that's what you want, it did keep the water cool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_cathode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_cathode)
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Hi members,
I received a reply on my email request of Edward Mitchel.
Please read for your selfs.
I asked him if he could provide me or us, with a video with the 2 VIC transformers in full working condition.
That way he can prove his words he is saying in his video.
I personally would love to see lots of gas coming out of his two HV coils.
If thats the case, Edward might be on to something.
Till then, we have to wait..
Anyway, its always nice to read that everybody in the HHO business is still coming back to read on this beautifull forum :) :) :) :). They all do.
Steve
Hi Steve,
Looks like the transformer will be repaired soon so TGS is moving
right along now. Do you have any questions about the theory given in
the video and are to giving some of what was talked about a try?
I read the thread where the interview video was posted and can see
that the thread has turned away from the content of the video. It
looks like you have two or more people working for the oil companies
best interest in your forum. Now that the science part of this
technology is out of the bag these types of people have been following
the video with a known negative ad campaign designed to deter people
from ever giving the science a try and it seems to be working despite
them seeing high voltages being applied to a water fuel capacitor for
the very first time ever in a documentable way.
TGS will be pushing forwards alone if it must as the video of the
science behind this technology is out now and it will be up to the
individual to find it within themselves to give the science that was
freely given in the video a try. You know the old saying, "You can
take a horse to water but you can't make it drink."
As far as our past goes I am the one you know as h2opower. Now I have
a company of my own that should be putting this technology to market
sometime in 2014. It took me a while to get at the science behind the
patents but as you can see I kept my promise and make a video giving
the science behind the technology away, while at the same time
retaining all of my designs, artwork, and creativity for the company.
A promise is a promise and as you can see I fulfilled this promise I
made so long ago while on your forum. I say this so that you will see
and know I am a man of my word.
Take care,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
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Eds a funny guy,
As we all know he is applying alternating voltage to his cell which = alternating current... The high voltage he gets is from purified water.. A bunch of cells in series you get increased resistance and you get decreased capacitance.. allowing these types of voltage difference to occur across a series type load.. In his set up you can go ahead and divide the max voltage by the number of cells and that will be the total voltage to each cell.. so if he has +2kv across 10 cells he actually has 200 volts per cell..
We all know AC voltage will have another sort of loss due to its nature of rotating the molecules... so a lot more power will be going to heating them during the depolarizing and reverse polarizing process involved with AC power.. Same type of losses that occur in magnetic cores.. Ed would need +20kv to even begin reaching what Stan labeled as the threshold for molecule elongation.. this is whats needed for a series of 10 cells to each have 2kv...
Just my viewpoints on this situation..
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you know what stan didn't broken the molecule the way he describes..
he didn't created the ionization.. it just happened
in my understanding stan polarized the molecule, this summing with the conditions of the unipolar pulses turns off the covalent bound.
i can't say anything over because i dint finished it... but i would not lose my time into others theories... look at it your own theories! probably will go farther!
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Hi
Again the question. How did Meyer use HV to break the molecules of water?
Maybe we also need P680?
Shine some lasers in the waterbath?
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well you have right to believe what you want i'm happy with you being someone with good intentions, you are welcome to the forum.. and to believe whatever you can...
in the last link he is comparing meyer to a photosynthesis, that is interesting...but you tell me... if this is not a guess work what i'm Einstein? no... eintein also was guess worker.. just a joke
Nobody who creates ignore lists will ever lead you in the right direction, even less if they had a direction, not even God support this haha.
i would also be really happy to see even Lex Luther driving the water car =)
i don't care about things of the past i do think people can be better... even mr h20p
Of course if we send light our reaction will get favored but is not the light that breaks the bound, this is totally out of question.. according to my theory.. hopefully in the end who puts it to work will prove to be correct.. .
photositesis is a catalyzed reaction not our case... although a catalyzer could indeed be helpful or not..
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yes meyer uses voltage... you are on a nice way
always good to ask the right question
if you ionize water big current flow... thats electrolysis does too..
meyer didn't broken the water he turn the covalent bound force off
i'm looking at it at totally scientific way.. how he did it!
i went to study the university of physics just to try seeing if i could understand him... but i also started on wiki and mit opencourseware..
i hope we can contribute somehow to this desperate planet..
remember plants are plants.. . we also need to drink water for our cells to keep going..
but meyer talk about voltage
lets put in this way, in my point of view, is totally different from ionization, the covalent switch off... thats in my scientific view of it... it could also be distorted.
i don't think the your post resume any science... its just lot of ideas... very short thinking
i thought of that too i get platinum and palladium here to sell if you want.. i don't want to use..
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I agree no one should be ignored. Anyone might have some little thing which is important. It is the off topic which should be ignored. More so if off topic is to distract or misdirect or clutter. Off topic is ignore in reverse. Some say too much "ignore yours, here is mine". Even copy long messages from their own thread, instead of giving a simple link, with only a short discussion. Which may still be off topic to the other's thread. This should be ignored.
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I agree no one should be ignored. Anyone might have some little thing which is important. It is the off topic which should be ignored. More so if off topic is to distract or misdirect or clutter. Off topic is ignore in reverse. Some say too much "ignore yours, here is mine". Even copy long messages from their own thread, instead of giving a simple link, with only a short discussion. Which may still be off topic to the other's thread. This should be ignored.
I don't understand this post. Do you or do you not want this technology and just who is being ignored?
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I agree no one should be ignored. Anyone might have some little thing which is important. It is the off topic which should be ignored. More so if off topic is to distract or misdirect or clutter. Off topic is ignore in reverse. Some say too much "ignore yours, here is mine". Even copy long messages from their own thread, instead of giving a simple link, with only a short discussion. Which may still be off topic to the other's thread. This should be ignored.
I don't understand this post. Do you or do you not want this technology and just who is being ignored?
I believe you have it... so what is preventing you to show your tremendous ionization device to the world?
i think i know... just ideas won't light a lamp...
if you tried what you are writing or even got a look into books on how this can be done you will see that what meyer accomplish i against the laws of nature... is not something nature is allowed to do otherwise by today there would be no water buddy... but we are..
i'm not saying its not possible to ionize and all i'm just saying that your talking thru your hat without nothing to show... and still want to have done the last correct regard... and its being like like this since 10 years so far i remember...
dont worry.. i also have my own ignorance to deal with..
i don't want to ignore anyone... i believe the more people i have with me the better will be... of course if someone does not have the correct polarity will be naturally repelled.. in this forum respect is the only bottom line, you can have your space, post your posts... discuss your theory... we will be here to take a look and give you a feedback... but remember when we put our theory in game we need to be able to play the game and recognize where we did wrong otherwise we can't develop nothing good for us we just keep the opinion part which is irrelevant. For me opinion is not science... when i give you mine is not science..
i didn't put my theory on open yet totally because i'm still not willing to share it... it took a long almost 10 years for me to put it here and whatever big company just take it away....
so don't hope to find me posting that in that way... i will only be here as a researcher instigating questioning...
I'm not here trying to take you out of your way, i think your way could bring us something new.. so i don't want anybody copying i want alternatives.. thinkers... scientists to work with...
i developed my science all because of this project, and i guess is the case for most.. so is no good if i tell you do this and that// i better that you learn as much as i did... i never want to give out anything digested ask around.
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I agree no one should be ignored. Anyone might have some little thing which is important. It is the off topic which should be ignored. More so if off topic is to distract or misdirect or clutter. Off topic is ignore in reverse. Some say too much "ignore yours, here is mine". Even copy long messages from their own thread, instead of giving a simple link, with only a short discussion. Which may still be off topic to the other's thread. This should be ignored.
I don't understand this post. Do you or do you not want this technology and just who is being ignored?
You're ignoring what I said at our other forum, about why I DO want the technology. (ie, Something which WORKS - not just someone's "original ideas", as you call it. And you're also ignoring what you just quoted me as saying: "No one" (meaning YOU) "should be ignored". That's all I'm going to say about this; I have IMPORTANT things I'm spending my time on.
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wish you good luck.. for the record i got up to 50kv on the exciters and more than 3kv across each cell.. by the way reaching high voltages is not a problem..
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i don't have a differential probe they one i wanted to buy costed a lot and when i was going to buy i was waiting to get some more money together, than the dollar value here in brazil went from 2,7to 3,3 since here we pay more 70% over for import what you pay, it became impossible to me to buy with the money i got... so far is in my top wish list.. a dp20k
i only have a 40kv probe and a true rms dc+ac DMM
and labview to monitor the impedance, voltage, current, temperature.. and frequencies applied..
my lab here at home have more feature than few labs in my university..
so i only can get voltage from ref point..
the waveforms in my oscilloscope are very hard to see because its old and is just an unconnected probe...
i can make many many many types of wave forms that you would say yeas now your doubling frequency.. tripling.. halving... so its pointless to show a waveform without water being split.... i'm going thru all of them..
my cell is just standard 11 cell in delrin.. ,
for the record i can light fluorescent bulbs without touching anything... wireless
i can draw big arcs to insulated metal connected to nothing.. i think that is high voltage... so the problem is not the high voltage as i tried to explain my view.. i can be wrong..
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if we plant arrogance we won't harvest affection...
So if you are saying i'm not a scientist nor anyone else... just you.. where are you tables..? graphs? theory? why are you here?
You know what? i'm not curious... but you should stop disrespecting people... this will never help you.
Sorry to disappoint you but you took so long to get this far not because of scientific method...its because you didn't knew (know) science... nor me nor you nor many out there for a time, don't forget but you are the people you-re talking about. I bet you don't know calculus well too.. nor me... but is not my function to tell you that... i'm just showing how cool is being disrespectful..
i wil repeat just one time because you seem to not understood.. this place is here and we this open community that comes here to share thoughts and wishes, don't want free attacks ok. we don't have time for that.. we don't need that.. i know many people hate ed mitchell for things he did and say in the past so far i think you are him... h2o power.. .i really don't care... but if you keep with that bad attitude you had in the past .. people naturally will keep ignoring what you say.. this is the reality..
i repeat again i have nothing against anyone... no one should in my mind... however
if you are not willing to contribute anyhow but repeating how your correct and other don't, please be a lurker... hope you learn a lot here..
This is the problem with people working on this technology they don't do things in a scientific manor. They claim things they haven't done which according to the form rules is out of bounds. You simply can not see what is taking place at the cell without a differential probe and each of the probes comes with a +/-% error so that all of the error calculations can be done.
People like to belittle my work by saying it is easy to place a high voltage potential difference across a water fuel cell as they can do it all day but they haven't done anything as all of their experiments have only taken place in their minds or they are assuming far too much. The scientific method demands that we make no assumptions and do things properly at all times. This is why it has taken me so long to get to this point as I had to save to be able to have the things that I do as there is simply no other way if one is to do things by the book. We can not accept guess work unless that guess work is being done with the use of the scientific method as then it requires one to answer the questions they pose by experimentation. This is exactly what I have been doing for the past nine years so to have someone belittle my work isn't going to go unchecked.
To Steve,
I have lived up to my promise and gave the science behind this technology away. I am not sure if I will post a video as now I am treading on deadly ground as all those that have shown their work are dead now so I must be wise in my actions from this point forwards. People are free to tell others I haven't given them anything but I caution everyone that the industry is out there with paid personnel trying very hard to lead people away from the truth. They say all kinds of demotivating thoughts to stop people from ever trying. In the video for which this thread was started I made a mistake in how I hooked up the transformers to each other and here I went and corrected that mistake: http://aetherforce.com/inventors-diary-* -good-use-of-the-scientific-method/
I tell and show quite a bit in that post. The things I show have never been talked about before concerning this technology as I ignored everyone and just kept to the scientific method and listened to what the experiments were showing me. I also got help from above and I am very thankful to YAH for that help as I would have never figured out the connection to photosynthesis if it had not been for his help so all the glory goes to him.
You are now going to have a lot of people coming to challenge what has been shown to everyone here and you all must fact check them as to if they are really performing experiments properly and are making use of the scientific method. It is not acceptable to just say with words and then have nothing to back up those words they must show their work and you are to be critical of their work. It is not acceptable to show an idea and have a lot of people like that idea and then the idea becomes law. Ask what they are measuring with or to see scope shots showing their wave forms. Ask them to see the devices they are using and compare them to those that Meyer built. You will find that a lot of people have questions but very few have answers to those questions. You all have fact checked me quite a bit over the years and each time I have shown you what I am doing. I have shown everyone the equipment I am testing with as well as the items I built for testing on. You all have done your due diligence on me many times over and you must do that to everyone working on this technology. If they say they are producing gas then ask them for MMW numbers and if they refuse then simply stop listening to them trust me it is as easy as that. If you see them doing something Meyer did not do then ask them to explain why they made the changes. If you see their work doesn't look anything like Meyer's work just ignore them as simply putting Meyer's name on the title of their thread isn't good enough.
All of you have been very hard on me over the years and I thank you for that as it shows me that I was making a difference that people felt like talking about. Now the burden is on you to build things for yourself and follow the science I have shown to the best of you abilities to do so. I have done what I promised I would do so now it's up to you to further your own work given all that I have shown you. I hope to see many others in the future getting high voltages to their cells and more to the point getting there work to the market place so that the public can have access to it and the change can begin towards ending the worlds dependence on fossil fuels.
Please do not ask me for my design work as you simply are not going to get it. Build and design your own as you might do a better job than I did which is giving the world a better product as a result and trust me I am fine with that.
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The part I don't get is that Ed keeps repeating that he's not willing to do the 'get bumped off' part of it, and has said that even if he does get it working, he "won't tell a soul". (Dem be da rules.")
Why does he expect us to do what he won't?
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i do not really know, i can tell for me... if i discovered something, i would invite you to come over here in brazil to see, but would not post here on open, not initially... to totally impede this sort of behavior., (someone come and say oh i said this and that) bla la la .. i guess this makes clear that we are here to work and share thought and results not to show how good we are.. we are here to be together...
i hope all you will get together when whichever of us make it work..
thats what matter for me..
in the end this thread was created to appreciate your work..
i would be very proud if someone were taking about me somewhere... hope talking good =D
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Ok ... sorry for any bad comments regarding you.. although i don't have any responsibility on your conduct and others.. and probably "that" caused this sort of comments.. i suggest pass the eraser and start over...
I try to remember everyday that until i prove the theory i'm working on, its useless, it won't help anyone else if i didn't proved any part of it before talking about... i fell for you is not the same.. you talk abut this truth without perceiving that its not the true is your point of view... an infinitesimal point. like mine.. like any other that don't show a working system. just words... that being said... i suggest to you and this will be good to you open your eyes on your behavior it will certainly make you open the doors of your perception. Imagine your theory is wrong! every day! if you can't find anything wrong test it.. if it didn't work it was wrong somewhere do you agree? If you can't explain to your self what is wrong you can't tell others with sure that one or other thing is missing because this is the principle of unobtainium... so again assuming to ourselves we are not the truth keepers is good! thats why scientists can't believe god because if they do they wait god to give them the hard work.. and it will never do.. although god can keep you living your life if you want to see it that way...
I totally disagree that i can't do anything good because i don't have one equipment or the other, i believe i know what i'm doing and from what i can see i can set up a multimeter on the cell and it will have the same effect as your equipment, but i just can't see the wave form across the cell, only numbers...(well i got a very good one and seems good enough) but as i know what i'm doing seeing at the oscilloscope the waveforms of other parts is enough to understand whats going on. sure i would like to get one...
i don't think is a good idea to make 100's of people buying one... because the hho community is very big and many does not even know what is doing yet what is the meaning of seeing what is not yet understood.
another way would be to simply get the oscilloscope feed with an isolation transformer... however the chassi of the oscilloscope will provide some grounding effect... so yet resistors could be useful..
when i see something i can't get, i just think a way to get around and get what i really need.
i'm curious about what you have to say about the switching diode...
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This is the problem with people working on this technology they don't do things in a scientific manor. They claim things they haven't done which according to the form rules is out of bounds. You simply can not see what is taking place at the cell without a differential probe and each of the probes comes with a +/-% error so that all of the error calculations can be done.
People like to belittle my work by saying it is easy to place a high voltage potential difference across a water fuel cell as they can do it all day but they haven't done anything as all of their experiments have only taken place in their minds or they are assuming far too much. The scientific method demands that we make no assumptions and do things properly at all times. This is why it has taken me so long to get to this point as I had to save to be able to have the things that I do as there is simply no other way if one is to do things by the book. We can not accept guess work unless that guess work is being done with the use of the scientific method as then it requires one to answer the questions they pose by experimentation. This is exactly what I have been doing for the past nine years so to have someone belittle my work isn't going to go unchecked.
To Steve,
I have lived up to my promise and gave the science behind this technology away. I am not sure if I will post a video as now I am treading on deadly ground as all those that have shown their work are dead now so I must be wise in my actions from this point forwards. People are free to tell others I haven't given them anything but I caution everyone that the industry is out there with paid personnel trying very hard to lead people away from the truth. They say all kinds of demotivating thoughts to stop people from ever trying. In the video for which this thread was started I made a mistake in how I hooked up the transformers to each other and here I went and corrected that mistake: http://aetherforce.com/inventors-diary-* -good-use-of-the-scientific-method/
I tell and show quite a bit in that post. The things I show have never been talked about before concerning this technology as I ignored everyone and just kept to the scientific method and listened to what the experiments were showing me. I also got help from above and I am very thankful to YAH for that help as I would have never figured out the connection to photosynthesis if it had not been for his help so all the glory goes to him.
You are now going to have a lot of people coming to challenge what has been shown to everyone here and you all must fact check them as to if they are really performing experiments properly and are making use of the scientific method. It is not acceptable to just say with words and then have nothing to back up those words they must show their work and you are to be critical of their work. It is not acceptable to show an idea and have a lot of people like that idea and then the idea becomes law. Ask what they are measuring with or to see scope shots showing their wave forms. Ask them to see the devices they are using and compare them to those that Meyer built. You will find that a lot of people have questions but very few have answers to those questions. You all have fact checked me quite a bit over the years and each time I have shown you what I am doing. I have shown everyone the equipment I am testing with as well as the items I built for testing on. You all have done your due diligence on me many times over and you must do that to everyone working on this technology. If they say they are producing gas then ask them for MMW numbers and if they refuse then simply stop listening to them trust me it is as easy as that. If you see them doing something Meyer did not do then ask them to explain why they made the changes. If you see their work doesn't look anything like Meyer's work just ignore them as simply putting Meyer's name on the title of their thread isn't good enough.
All of you have been very hard on me over the years and I thank you for that as it shows me that I was making a difference that people felt like talking about. Now the burden is on you to build things for yourself and follow the science I have shown to the best of you abilities to do so. I have done what I promised I would do so now it's up to you to further your own work given all that I have shown you. I hope to see many others in the future getting high voltages to their cells and more to the point getting there work to the market place so that the public can have access to it and the change can begin towards ending the worlds dependence on fossil fuels.
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/IMG_4515_zpsf51b3189.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/IMG_4515_zpsf51b3189.jpg.html)
Please do not ask me for my design work as you simply are not going to get it. Build and design your own as you might do a better job than I did which is giving the world a better product as a result and trust me I am fine with that.
Hi Edward,
I must say that i admire your dedication for this waterfuel project.
You and i and some others, are still trying to get this Meyer techno to work.
Feel free to start any discussions and also to share some parts of your work, if you want to.
I have no problems with you having a company or if you want to sell some items, related to the waterfuel technology.
As always, i ask everybody here to play it fair and kind. There is room enough here for everybody's opinions and theorys.
I trully hope that one day, somebody succeeds and also shares the techno for the better good of the world.
I am almost 50 years old now. A grant dad as well. Should we not leave a cleaner world behind?
In the meanwhile, i hope that everybody enjoys the techno trip we all take.
Cheers
Steve
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I rest my case...
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According to Wikipedia, presenting information compiled from reliable external sources, a differential probe is used to measure changing voltages, not the static potential built up on the cell, due to the charging pulses. This static potential, after it's there, can be measured with a VOM.
And you're completely ignoring the fact that he said he got the hv after turning one of the chokes around, which is exactly what you keep saying that no one listens to you about.
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If I have any questions for you I'm humble enough to ask, as I do value some of your input. But don't expect this to happen very often.
And what is my Ball Lightning theory that you keep mentioning? I've told you a few times now that I'm not using the BL, only the energy generated by that circuit. But then, you just said yourself that you ignore what I say.
I've specifically shown that my exotic energy can be produced with a dielectric sheet placed between two coils, exactly the same as the insulating barriers between Stan's multiple chokes. And that this energy has a repulsive effect on non charged liquid water. Get it?
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VOM refers to a Volt/Ohm Meter. It can even be used to estimate capacitance, based on how fast the needle swings, compared to a reference value component.
The Ball Lightning post was introductory, as it shows I can, in fact, produce the needed exotic energy. I'm one of a very few people in the world who have produced Ball Lightning, and I understand the energy. More importantly, I know how to use that energy, apart from the BL itself. So please remember that's what my Meyer work is about - exotic energy's effect on water. And, more importantly, why I think Meyer's hardware can produce this energy. He just doesn't show everything.
I didn't say I'm humble towards you, only that I have that characteristic. Einstein said that ego is reciprocal to amount of knowledge. You?
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quote from edd talking behind my back on this post somewhere non related to this discussion...
What case? Me calling you out in what you told the group was a lie or a gross assumption that is totally unfounded by facts? I quote, "for the record i got up to 50kv on the exciters and more than 3kv across each cell.. by the way reaching high voltages is not a problem.." This is what you wrote and it is not truthful and you don't care of the damage you are doing to the technology by saying things like this just to save face.
I just pointed out there is no way you got the voltages you are claiming here as you simply don't have the proper equipment to be able to tell what voltages you are getting to your exciter array. You say, "by the way reaching high voltages is not a problem," and that too is not the truth as if it was everyone would be getting high voltages to their exciter arrays.
This was said by you to belittle my work and you do so for your own personal reason of which to me seem like you are doing so just to save face. I have to call people like you out as they have no idea of the damages that they are doing to the movement. Basically you are saying high voltage isn't the answer which goes against what Meyer himself told everyone in his many lecture videos and it also goes against what my experiments have been telling me thought my observations of said technology.
I am sorry I have to do this but it is time for this type of behavior to be put in check as it is hurting the movement. If you build what I have just shown you you will get high voltages to your exciter array, but in order to be able to see what is taking place you must get a differential probe capable of handling the voltages we are dealing with. There is no going around this as you also stated for you simply will not be able to see what 's taking place at the exciter array without the proper equipment to be able to do so, thus making what you have told all of us here and to those that visit this site an untrue statement. Like I said I am sorry for this but it's time for this Tom Foolery to stop as people deserve to be told the truth.
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Ok Edd if with all your vic together you won't get high voltage. i'm sorry for you... its not my problem.. its your fault, not mine...
i don't come here to say thing on your post only... if you look i reached this voltages many times in the past and not only me... and yes i can measure it ..accurately..
If you improve your hearing or reading you would understand how i do it. what i use for that... i don't need any fancy device to see what is going on, although i didn't finished the graduation yet i'm a damn scientist and i know now what i'm doing... more everyday..
and by the way the high voltage probe i get is very good precision... so as my dmm so please forget about me and my equipment and keep going... your not reaching.. i'm not in your way... not holding you down... nor anyone.. nor i want any problematic followers ...
if you know what you are doing even coil connected to a multimeter is good way to see the fields present...
you have no clue about what is the blocking diode... or how it operates... you just keep the same arguments and raise up the voice...
you are a classic moron still accusing me of not following meyer...since 2007(hurting the movement) of course my i'm using science!
sorry to be hard but you don't seem to get it when i put in a good way...
the main problem is that i think you are so so steamy about me having so much higher voltage than you to the cell and yet not being satisfied i come to you and say i have a theory i'm working on..
so stop crying like a baby and create your theory and go put you theory in action and stop wasting our times with your words...
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i tried up to 99,995% pulse... what i got is frequency doubling... and many other bizarre effects as one might expect..
that is not the point however...
the point really is... are you satisfied with your waveform?
what about the diode? where is your explanation? is it satisfactory? do you think your coils are connected right? did you tried all 64 combinations? would you? why?
for example... are you really sure your diode is opening the circuit as meyer say in new zealand?
i'm sure you can check it... with your equipment.. i can do with mine!
man we are not in competition
i'm just inviting you to take a further look into real science what meyer meant with what he said and show....not just what he said and showed... he was indeed very generous and left over some highly encrypted knowledge that he clearly stated would be understood by those with knowledge of the art.
i went to university of physics for 4 years.. to get closer... not only stay reading and re-reading wiki
i went and took a look at all patents that meyer cited, the documents he cited, the patents that cited him... and so on..
i have nothing else to show that you cannot see here in the forum.. but i won't digest it for anyone like you do... i'm not selling anything...specially not my soul... i just here for help where i can, and search for help and feedback when i think someone can understand me and maybe work with me. I believe in this community work, this space we all must thanks to Steve has being a ring for many battles but in the end brothers and sisters must shake the hands and politely behave.
My wave form is a sine wave since i can only see one side of the cell .. ever increasing until gate... or stable if not gating..
up to 50KV and beyond... with just few bubbles that some times appears.. this with the stan circuit .. one vic split into two sections..
lower primary turns... only 50 to 100 turns...
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This is two people comparing and sharing notes effectively as we both can see what is taking place at the cell. I can't do this with you as you don't have the proper equipment to be able to share any information with me. Are you getting what I am telling you now? If not others that are reading this sure are.
Now thats funny Ed.. i remember when these scope shots your sharing first got shared like 2 years ago after your trip to tesla tech.. The scope shot that is not yours that you mention as someone else is one of Max Millers scope shots.. And at the time there was a big debate about how your method was nothing like max setup.. There was no mutual agreements on configuration nor the process between you 2 guys.. That's why this is funny.. you trying to use another researchers scope shot as a second form of conformation to you works.. and your lying about it lol "comparing and sharing effective" i just laughed so hard i think i pissed my self.. people would believe your claims of doing what stan did if you could show extraordinary production of HHO.. All I have ever seen from you is false claims of success.
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probably you add a bad link to your post thats why your post went wrong,.... when posting links i always select all the text and copy in the case the problem is the link .... in that case change the link giving a space on somewhere
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Can you all read them as it shows up to me as just an Array.
Anyway, both Max and I have the system hooked up exactly the same and our wave forms are thus exactly the same despite outlawstc's inability to read the scope correctly. Think if it this way, if we both have everything hooked up the exact same way how could we have two different wave forms? Our wave forms are the same as the only difference is the load being placed on the VIC transformer. Plus outlawstc didn't bother to watch the video interview of my partner and I as that event is the "Global Breakthrough Energy Movement" that was held in Boulder, Colorado back in 2013 not the tesla tech. At that time Max and I were friends as I even offered to pay for the event for him and others offered him free room and board and were going to pick him up which is free travel but for some reason he didn't want to go.
This is the type of people I have had to deal with for a very long time concerning this technology people that can't reason to well and make things up as they go along. So again, how can we have two different wave forms if we have the entire setup hooked up exactly the same and are taking our measurements at the exact same spot? The only difference is the load that was being placed on the VIC transformer as I had mines hooked up to ten resonant cavities hooked up in series and he had his hooked up to two resonant cavities hooked up in series and the resonant cavities are the load being placed on the VIC transformer. After all this time you can't see that, really? We both have our setups hooked up exactly like this:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/4-23-20119_45_49AM_zpsa492807e.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/4-23-20119_45_49AM_zpsa492807e.jpg.html)
So tell me again how can we have two different wave forms? This folks is part of the problem plaguing this technology as some of the people wanting to solve this technology just aren't up to the task at hand. From reading your post you have no idea how to answer that question as you just failed to do so right here in front of everyone for the record. I'd be willing to bet your not laughing now, huh? And for the record outside of myself Max is one of the people I am pinning my hopes on as well as Ronnie Walker and his crew in case something happens to me. I've given up on Russ as his heart just doesn't seem to be in it. Moving on now as I have had enough of this Tom Foolery.
This technology at it's surface seems simple but as you dig into it you find out quickly that you have to take Meyer's words and translate them into a scientific meaning. I don't believe this was done out of stupidity on Meyer's part but as a way to hide the technology in plain sight as after all he was also a business man and who wants everybody stealing your ideas. So, with that in mind I set out to get at the core science that drives this technology and I found it after several years of research. Water molecules can be broken down by taking the electrons away from the atoms that make it up, that is the core science behind this technology and Meyer used a strong ionization field to do so. This is also how plants break the bonds of the water molecules as they take away it's electrons. Now the method that these two different technologies use to accomplish this is different but the core science remains the same. So, any method that can get the electrons away from the atoms that make up the water molecules will work towards breaking the bonds of the water molecules. Meyer chose a method that didn't require much energy input which was creating a high voltage potential energy differential field as shown here:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/10_5VOLTAGECHARINGEFFECT.png) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/10_5VOLTAGECHARINGEFFECT.png.html)
But again may I remind all of you this isn't what the actual wave form looks like as this shows an impossible situation but legally it can be used as it is just a block diagram. This wave form is from outlawstc which shows how the wave form actually looks like as again the drawing figure 10-5 shows an impossible situation:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/2015-08-09_112058_zpsvyspwktk.png) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/2015-08-09_112058_zpsvyspwktk.png.html)
But the drawing shows Meyer placed a ionizing field on the water molecules which causes the atoms that make up the water molecules to start ejecting their electrons and again the core science remains the same. To get the highest level of amp restriction the B+ must be equal but of opposite voltage to the B- voltage. This is not an easy task to do but I have managed to get mines to within 100 volts of each other and sometimes only 20 volts but that doesn't get used as it falls in the error of the reading devices I use. The lowest current flow through the exciter array was measured at only 0.7 mA at 9kv potential difference measured across the exciter array.
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just for yr info, this forum technology sometimes have trouble with posting URLs.
Thats why somethime you get empty posts.
I tried to fix this, but i could not find the reason....
Sorry for this.
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Thanks Steve but I can't post replies as I'd like too as a result.
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'The lowest current flow through the exciter array was measured at only 0.7 mA at 9kv potential difference measured across the exciter array."
That's 6.3 A/V, or 5.12 A/1.23V
How does your gas production compare with normal electrolysis, at the same amps?
Asked without disrespect.
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Sorry I asked. Even more sorry that I actually expected an answer.
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My question dealt with comparing your results to normal electrolysis. Meyer's claim was that he produced an unusual amount of Hydrogen for the amount of power he used. What is YOUR benchmark?
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@h2opower:
The waveform you claim is "impossible" is not impossible at all. The only difference between that envelope and what Stan shows as the output of the 8xa circuit is that the amplitude increases with each pulse. This is exactly what would be expected if a number of choke coils were spaced along a standing wave. As the amplitude of the standing wave increases, so will the amplitude of the pulse produced by the coil at that position. :)
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@h2opower:
The waveform you claim is "impossible" is not impossible at all. The only difference between that envelope and what Stan shows as the output of the 8xa circuit is that the amplitude increases with each pulse. This is exactly what would be expected if a number of choke coils were spaced along a standing wave. As the amplitude of the standing wave increases, so will the amplitude of the pulse produced by the coil at that position. :)
You Jerry have no idea how Meyer made his standing waves or how this technology behaves as you have not built & tested a single part of this technology correctly. If I don't tell you right now you simply will not be able to tell everyone just how Meyer went about making standing waves and guess what? I am not going to tell you.
You see I have built & tested a great many things concerning this technology so I speak from experience have done the ground work to be able to know what it is I am talking about. You try and compare yourself to Stanley Meyer telling everyone, "See I am like Stanley Meyer" when you are nothing like him and you resorted to lying about and/or slandering Stanley Meyer in order for you to make such a bold claim: http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showpost.php?p=12862&postcount=144
What is your real agenda? Who's payroll are you actually on? The only way you are going to be able to see what this technology does is for you to build it as close to that of Stanley A. Meyer's designs and afterwords test what ever you build with actual hands on experiments. You can't look at the pictures and gain any real world knowledge or experience in dealing with this technology as it simply doesn't work that way.
Tell us which section in the technical brief is Stanley A. Meyer actually talking about standing waves if you please so we can at least know that you read it.
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I already told you I quoted the wrong video. Why are you ignoring what I said? And why are you calling me a liar, instead of the person who made the video? Besides, YOU were the one who brought up the subject of standing waves. Why don't YOU tell us the effect of a standing wave on the coils which are positioned along it?
I think you claim the waveform is impossible just because YOU can't make it. Speaking of which, where have YOU shown a standing wave, with all your 'hands on' experience?
And I also told you someone doesn't have to build the same hardware he shows to infringe on his patents. Are you using 'deliberate amnesia' to justify continued defamatory statements? I am still copying what you say. Ignoring that as well?
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guys guys....
Please keep it techno , please.
No liars, no mud slinging.
Respect rules here. You know that all....
thanks
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right very cool... do you want to see standing waves ed? a coil oscillating because of its self resonance is an example of standing waves..
Now i ask standing waves are unipolar?
why don't we stop losing time and go make it work... what are you missing? Another 11vic transformer to wire in series?
mas is very very impossible to believe that you propose this... I agree you could split the function of the vic among coils.. but i think you exaggerated..
i get my 50kv and more with much less...
You explanation about the diode and how you look at the vic for me is incorrect... for me is not satisfactory..
maybe if you turn the disc you could see it differently...
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Hey Ed, go ahead and post up a video of this system in action. We all want to see the results you are chanting about for 2 or 3 years now.. 1mL of gas every 2 days doesn't count.
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Yes, Where is your polarization process... i see any...
the electrical polarization process is enough to trigger hydrogen production on demand when reach resonant action...
that mean when you can proceed with the process over and over again in a constant manner.. to control the needs...
where is mine?
in between the lines...
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Ed Mitchel said that Meyer discussed standing waves. That's all the proof I need to believe that standing waves play a role in his system.
Standing waves are bi phasic. Two waves traveling in opposite directions interfere to produce a sum which is a stationary waveform. John Kanzius sends rf through salt water, then reflects the waves back through the water again, producing a standing wave. His frequency (13.56 MHz) doesn't completely split the water, so the gas only burns, rather than explode.
With my Meyer's injector build, the rf travels through the injector then produces the plasmoid ignition spark. The energy in that spark back couples through the injector, producing a standing wave. This will split the water fast enough that the ignition spark is still there when the fuel gas hits it.
I'm going to spend less time typing and more time building. I'm standing when I build.
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I had a flame over water similar but not same as kanzius in 2007 2008... the yellow part seems to be sodium burning.. also for the smell... with a prototype i made... you can see how the prototype was like in the youtube channel... but not the test... it were a 10cm yellow open flame with bad smell... it was a tube filled with water and sodium hydroxide.. with few drops of alcohol... although the same amount of alcohol would not sustain a flame for more than 30s... the thing could run for 15min 30min there was up to 20 amps flowing... 12v car battery...
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I don't see any valid questions concerning the video or the technology so I guess my work here is done for the moment.
Nor do I see any answers to questions posed.
I'll check in from time to time but know this. Know already all what you need to know if you can understand the science I posted.
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I did answer your questions, but you ignored what I said.
It's hard to see a hero turn into an ogre. Many times, I would have shut down my Ed Gray thread, but you kept me going, also wearing a bull eye on your back. Or so I thought. Now I see you differently. : (
Your work here is done? What work is that? Harassing one specific person, after following him here from the other forum?
That's all folks.
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I did answer your questions, but you ignored what I said.
It's hard to see a hero turn into an ogre. Many times, I would have shut down my Ed Gray thread, but you kept me going, also wearing a bull eye on your back. Or so I thought. Now I see you differently. : (
That's all folks.
You don't understand the science so talking with you is like talking with someone with diminished capacity.
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Ed has left the ionizationx forum.
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Sorry about him...Its hard to go alone against a river... its said how he want to sailing alone... i
i would like to point how the vic must have the coils polarity arrange...
it seems to me that in Ed drawings he is using both chokes in subtracting from the secondary where only the tx5 should be doing that... why?without prof...thats what stan show in the patent of the vic!
i hope we learned something about him too...
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If the Vic transformer only provides charging pulses to the electrodes, pulses can be generated electronically. Doesn't work. When the choke coils are on the same core as the primary, they are also secondaries. With the main secondary wired to a choke secondary, the output has two waveforms, so that makes a standing wave. Couldn't an op amp mixer provide the correct signal to a stand alone choke?
If two frequencies are slightly different, the standing wave will walk. A wave sweeping across the water is the same as the water sweeping across a stationary wave.
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the pulses are actually generated electronically but the vic adjust the electronic pulse to the correct impedance level.. and restrict the amps to allow voltage to take over and does the work. an "electronic" low voltage would never work...
Grounding the cell will never work.. can you see that?
if you have a baseball and a bowling ball which can you launch higher? thats why the cell is preferably small...
I believe the chokes action only happen when in the same core... otherwise the configuration of how it should be connected should be different maybe for it to work... probably coupling with coils.. or actually changing the config.
In my analysis the magnetic field going on on the coils is key..
i started a new thread talking a little about this...
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Hey TGS
how do you get the molecules striped off electrons without consuming the required energy for ionization?
How could you do it without amps flow or preventing electron flow?
there is a quantum leap between the ionization you describe and covalent switch off stan describes...
i will explain it to you... as for it work the same on particle accelerators
when you get a gas you can ionize it... (my teacher words) You can indeed take all the electrons out of oxygen if you want but it takes energy for it..
in an electrical particle accelerator the end energy of the particle depends not only on the accelerating voltage and mass of the particle but also on the charge...
so what they do is to strip the electrons of the oxygen for example for raising its net charge and end up with a more energetic particle at the end of the accelerating distance..
how they do that? in one embodiment they charge the oxygen negatively adding 2 electrons (fro, a hot filament connected to negative million volts capacitor plate ) and the oxygen is liberated being accelerated from the target point... as it gets accelerated it gains energy... now this oxygen strikes a positive high voltage screen (connected to a positive plate a capacitor) that will take the electrons out of it and make it to be accelerated now in the direction of the target.. as it has now 4 to 6 electron missing the energy it achieve is very high...
what you see is that we gave kinetic energy and used it to strip the electrons... no overunity...
if you were to do this with high voltage for every electron you ionize you get power consume... if you want 1 mol of oxygen ionized...16grams missing just one electron you need to apply high voltage needed times 26.8 amps!
if you get an over voltage ( a voltage too high for the ionization) you generate more heat like electrolysis over voltage...inefficiency....
so really whats you point?
i believe meyer indeed used ionization.. but for me this was part of the rocket science.. actually its also possible for me that he indeed ionized just few atoms per cycle to achieve thermal explosive energy ( atomic reaction ) from just them.. not all...
nature is not preventing the water molecule from forming...
nor nature is in anyway trying to switch off the covalent bound... we are seeking to do un-natural things... no nature can explain it...
nature only explain the working of particle accelerator since your thunderstorm example is similar.. it explain even ozone and acid rain..
but i'm sorry to disappoint you, with all you posted all it seems is that you again try show everyone how "special" you are and how "stupid" other stanleymeyer readers are...
If your summarization try to close a point that you unfortunately did not prof, until you don't see its not even valid for you, you won't do anything new...
i hope all that i said help you somehow...
good luck
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1 watt * 1 second is 1 joule... 1W/s=1J
1 watt * one hour is 3,6kj =1W/h=3600J
497kj /mol mean you need:
138 W/h per mol...
given 26,8 amps is a mol of electrons
you have to give each electron 5,15v of potential... if we summing all this at once gives 500kv
you end up with 1 mol of oxygen diatomic molecules missing one electron
or half mol of atomic oxygen plus half mol of missing 1 electron oxygen atoms...
assuming it is correct
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i wish you good luck... but the wire insulation i'm using is my way of doing and you don't know anything about it no i don't need to lie shalom...
the wire insulation you are taking as 2,2kv i take as maximum 400volts thats where your problem really is.. when you go up for high voltage you need to stay far away from the limits.. if high frequency even worst...
i use oil... although the last picture setup in air got over 25kv without burn... under oil its design to go up 80kv at whatever frequency,,
the secret is to use layers... every layer give you insulation... and make your coils bigger...
i hope you make it work...
i'm sorry if just trying to copying stan work you could not achieve the high voltages you wanted... why don't you start with 1 turn at the primary ... .
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i thank you for your good will i would love to be helped now!
i tried to make a fundraising campaign on facebook... not even no dollar achieved... i would really promisse that anyone who wants to help in donating i will only use of course the money for that finality...
here it is the links...
i created a link that anyone could donate a fixed money monthly to help ...
https://www.mercadopago.com/mlb/debits/new?preapproval_plan_id=ce587e578d96409194fb6767032f4500
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i thank you for your good will i would love to be helped now!
i tried to make a fundraising campaign on facebook... not even no dollar achieved... i would really promisse that anyone who wants to help in donating i will only use of course the money for that finality...
here it is the links...
i created a link that anyone could donate a fixed money monthly to help ...
https://www.mercadopago.com/mlb/debits/new?preapproval_plan_id=ce587e578d96409194fb6767032f4500
Can you make a gofundme account as I am not comfortable providing that amount of information about my credit cards in times like this as I have had my information stolen before several times now. You can create one for free and tell us all what it is about here and we will be able to follow your progress as who knows I might have to donate twice: https://www.gofundme.com/
Shalom,
TGS
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i just tried but its only for american citizens,,, that link for donations is perfectly safe by the way it is the ebay in brazil its called mercado libre and the company thru where i receive money of things i sell on the ebay... like paypal... i have a paypal too but need to check since its a long time idont remember to use...
if you feel better with that..
i really hope that if those 300 guests looking the pages we are writting could give maybe 3 dollars i could have the ability to buy this http://www.globalmediapro.com/dp/A2JGB4/Pintek-DP-30K-Differential-Probe-30KV-50MHz/
it costs around 1500R$ of brazilian money there are also some taxes for transfering the money to them already in my bank... and when it arrives it get more taxes end up costing some where around 3000R$...
this would end up in dollars costing 1000$ dolars...
i have some very nice equipment i would be willing to exchange by one like that... i need to sell some things i have here... i have a all set for television broadcasting with many receivers antenas... each costed equivalengt to 3000 dollars i have like 20 of that.. but is very hard to find some company to buy it.. i´m trying
i got all this from my job i left it had no end so i took to my house to sell it and ishare with them50%
anyway its being hard...
i hope in this time of great crisis some good souls that have being blessed with material goods and cant wait more to see this thing happening and believe i can do it and believe that maybe with that special tool in my hands i can do it some faster i would really be very honestly honored to use it the best i can and compensate back every each of you who donated perhaps not with something material but imediately if you start to believe you will be filled with hope because i´m just working for a better world.
i have no ipad no iphone no ipod no inothing.. i have no bicicle, i have no car... all i got in the last 9 years was expended to this reseach... i dont even buy new cloths.. trully all i need is seeing this thing working
some people in the way helped me a lot, like my parents, brothers, friends, neighbours coleghes teachers,.. all of them are waiting too...
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i just tried but its only for american citizens,,, that link for donations is perfectly safe by the way it is the ebay in brazil its called mercado libre and the company thru where i receive money of things i sell on the ebay... like paypal... i have a paypal too but need to check since its a long time idont remember to use...
if you feel better with that..
i really hope that if those 300 guests looking the pages we are writting could give maybe 3 dollars i could have the ability to buy this http://www.globalmediapro.com/dp/A2JGB4/Pintek-DP-30K-Differential-Probe-30KV-50MHz/
it costs around 1500R$ of brazilian money there are also some taxes for transfering the money to them already in my bank... and when it arrives it get more taxes end up costing some where around 3000R$...
this would end up in dollars costing 1000$ dolars...
i have some very nice equipment i would be willing to exchange by one like that... i need to sell some things i have here... i have a all set for television broadcasting with many receivers antenas... each costed equivalengt to 3000 dollars i have like 20 of that.. but is very hard to find some company to buy it.. i´m trying
i got all this from my job i left it had no end so i took to my house to sell it and ishare with them50%
anyway its being hard...
i hope in this time of great crisis some good souls that have being blessed with material goods and cant wait more to see this thing happening and believe i can do it and believe that maybe with that special tool in my hands i can do it some faster i would really be very honestly honored to use it the best i can and compensate back every each of you who donated perhaps not with something material but imediately if you start to believe you will be filled with hope because i´m just working for a better world.
i have no ipad no iphone no ipod no inothing.. i have no bicicle, i have no car... all i got in the last 9 years was expended to this reseach... i dont even buy new cloths.. trully all i need is seeing this thing working
some people in the way helped me a lot, like my parents, brothers, friends, neighbours coleghes teachers,.. all of them are waiting too...
My thoughts exactly as there are 932 members in this forum and if we act collectively then we can do this with ease for you.
As of right now I am in the middle of a very large purchase and I can't touch my credit cards for about two or more months so we have to figure out a way that I could help you like pay pal or something. I'd like a crowdfunding platform as then I can share it with my friends and them their friends and so forth and we can all track your progress. Not many of us even have credit cards now days as they are just a drain on real income and most of us have figured that out. Mines is just for company credit so that I can make purchases easier but pay it off quickly to avoid all the charges.
I looked a bit at these two are they good for you to use? "Catarse and Movere are now the main crowdfunding websites in Brazil."
If we work together we can get you this differential probe as it has a very high impedance which makes it very good for use with this technology.
Shalom,
TGS
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would be very nice, it seems catarze takes a 13% percentage,, and if the goal is not achieved you get the money back
hope your friends chain really helps also everyone in the forum is invited too... my social networks all are up to it...
it will be probably better with paypay...
i only use this cards to buy things on the internet too as if i cant pay it get very huge interests
my probe 1000x is also 40Mohm... its output is for multimeters with 10Mohm input impedance
if 10 peason wanted to get a lot of 10 it would become much cheaper than could re-sell
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would be very nice, it seems catarze takes a 13% percentage,, and if the goal is not achieved you get the money back
hope your friends chain really helps also everyone in the forum is invited too... my social networks all are up to it...
it will be probably better with paypay...
i only use this cards to buy things on the internet too as if i cant pay it get very huge interests
my probe 1000x is also 40Mohm... its output is for multimeters with 10Mohm input impedance
if 10 peason wanted to get a lot of 10 it would become much cheaper than could re-sell
I'll do what I can to help you get this as I think your work as reach an end pass without it and once you get it you will be all set to go.
Now comes the time when you will learn just who your friends are as nothing sorts them out like a little fundraiser. There are a lot of people in these forums who work for those that sell energy and they don't want to see their livelihood ended by this technology as anyone working for those that sell energy in any form more than likely are not a friend of this technology. I have found out this lesson the hard way in doing battle with them as they always prey upon the ignorance of others.
Just do the math on what you need as "we" will see what we can do as this is a good cause. But do take notice that not a single member of this forum has made a sound of support towards you right now as I sure am. This fundraiser will show you just who is truly on your side as nothing makes the Naysayer pucker up as tight as a snare drum when they are ask for funds to show their support for something they have no true intention of supporting.
As you can see through the school of hard knocks I have learned just how to weed them out.
Know that you have my support as my heart is truly in this.
Shabbat shalom,
TGS
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Edd i think anyone that work in this technology today has a spirit of help the next although a commom problem today to all is this financial crisis... many of us are already married and they have their life to carry on normaly one would not spend more than 50$ at a time...
i tried fundraising before as i told you and got even a little mad when i saw nobody of my real life friend helped... i understand their side however... the only time when this fundraising worked was at the energetic forum right at the start some few people, i have here their names yet... from this forum also helped...
but man i really would be loosing my energy and time if i was to get mad if the crew cannot help today...
when i started this technology i was playing in the subway in milan and use to few hours playing and singing inside the train and at the end of the month i spend it all on 555 timers, transistors, copper, electrodes... well in the first months i remember to have gone with 20000euro. i always got some luky with the money for the technology... many of the high top equipment i get like labview 8000$ was totally free.. my cell was made at the university machines so i only spent like 1000$ or little more only of materials for just it..
i worked with platinum, paladium, barium titanate... i build a lathe milling maschine... i did manythings and aways someone somehow help... now i get my tools to build things... that summing with the ability i learned to build whatever i want makes me really happy.
if we sum at least 9 years expending +_ 10000 euros each.. than i expended more than would cost to buy a house here... luckly i have no great ambition... but i feel that with my way of thinking and capabilities developed i can do more than just make it work...
thats why i dont really care about having spend all... but is understandable that anyone living and paying their bills dont want or some times cannot take some money out without a strong reason...
as a retribution to who wants to donate me a nice help for buying the probe, or that could lend me a probe like that or bring me one... i would offer 1 month in my beach house here in brazil for how many friends you want to bring or family how about it?
i could just say help me and could be enough that when it work you will be welcome to come and see ;D
i have very good contacts here in brazil, i worked with cinema and music, television here, than if we can prove this working i believe they can help somehow to get this technology to the world it would be no problem for me.
thank you all in advance
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Why not just build a differential amp and use it external to the probe?
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well i could take the differential measurement somehow else its possible... but this probe allow you to have both connection points off ground with high voltage insulation.. this allow you to take measurements on places where if you connect a ground it kill the component actions...
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well i could take the differential measurement somehow else its possible... but this probe allow you to have both connection points off ground with high voltage insulation.. this allow you to take measurements on places where if you connect a ground it kill the component actions...
You can do exactly this with the simple op amp circuit and some precision voltage divider resistors.
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do you have any schematic? i know in theory how is it operating but i´m not really that good to construct a meter with some certaincy maybe 10 % is workable precision...
i got my multimeter floating and could measure what goes on at tre cell... i know its not whatever multimeter that can handle it... i pay like 300$ in this one..others would start to blink and change function way before it reachs the 1/3 peak...
a good point to start would be the datasheet of the thing...it say it got 40Mohm imput impedance and its output impedance is to the oscilloscope... it has an adapter to to conver the impedance so it can be used in a dmm too...
it has got 20Mohm impedance per input and 15kv insulation between each input and ground... i happen to have here exacly those silicon 20kv cables that comes in this unit so i could build a replication... would you help?
thanks
i have lm318 that ´m using for the feedback this suposedly are intended for this no? they are called differential amplifer...
so you are say that if i had a low voltage one i could upgrade it? wouldnt it loose accuracy?
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Edd i think anyone that work in this technology today has a spirit of help the next although a commom problem today to all is this financial crisis... many of us are already married and they have their life to carry on normaly one would not spend more than 50$ at a time...
i tried fundraising before as i told you and got even a little mad when i saw nobody of my real life friend helped... i understand their side however... the only time when this fundraising worked was at the energetic forum right at the start some few people, i have here their names yet... from this forum also helped...
but man i really would be loosing my energy and time if i was to get mad if the crew cannot help today...
when i started this technology i was playing in the subway in milan and use to few hours playing and singing inside the train and at the end of the month i spend it all on 555 timers, transistors, copper, electrodes... well in the first months i remember to have gone with 20000euro. i always got some luky with the money for the technology... many of the high top equipment i get like labview 8000$ was totally free.. my cell was made at the university machines so i only spent like 1000$ or little more only of materials for just it..
i worked with platinum, paladium, barium titanate... i build a lathe milling maschine... i did manythings and aways someone somehow help... now i get my tools to build things... that summing with the ability i learned to build whatever i want makes me really happy.
if we sum at least 9 years expending +_ 10000 euros each.. than i expended more than would cost to buy a house here... luckly i have no great ambition... but i feel that with my way of thinking and capabilities developed i can do more than just make it work...
thats why i dont really care about having spend all... but is understandable that anyone living and paying their bills dont want or some times cannot take some money out without a strong reason...
as a retribution to who wants to donate me a nice help for buying the probe, or that could lend me a probe like that or bring me one... i would offer 1 month in my beach house here in brazil for how many friends you want to bring or family how about it?
i could just say help me and could be enough that when it work you will be welcome to come and see ;D
i have very good contacts here in brazil, i worked with cinema and music, television here, than if we can prove this working i believe they can help somehow to get this technology to the world it would be no problem for me.
thank you all in advance
Sebosfato,
It's all about sacrifice as each and every person in these forums can go a day without a meal and give that money for that day to you. I have a family of six and yet I am willing to do my part to help you for I understand the meaning of sacrifice. So what if I have to go a day or two or even a week without eating big deal as this is for a good cause. Do you understand where I am coming from? All of us can do this without putting ourselves out too much but it comes down to choice and/or motive.
Remember what I told you. These forums are full of people that work for those that sell energy and their motive for being here is to keep this technology from coming out to the world as they will lose their livelihood. Just think of all the industries that are going to be put under when this technology goes mainstream. I am talking about any company that puts there power to the grid system and the grid system itself plus all of those that sell energy to power up the worlds moving machines. The only one that I can see that is sort of safe is solar but all of their solar farms will be gone as the take the energy they get from the sun and put it into a system of energy enslavement as that's just what the grid system is a system of energy enslavement.
They don't want you to get the right test equipment as you will start to see what I see and they can't have that. The need us all fighting tooth and nail so that nothing ever gets done and will tell you that, "Oh, you don't need to get the proper equipment just build your own." But they know you need precision to gain the scientific communities support and you are not going to get it with a home built item as you need the right tools for the job.
But like I said their fear is you will start to sound like me after you get the same tools I am using. And the more people that start sounding the same will show only one thing that this technology is in fact real and what we will be doing can be replicated by others. I already have others that have replicated what I am doing after they started listening to what I had to say and gave it a try in their labs. Trust me once you get this differential probe you will be able to see just what happens when the B+ and B- voltages are close to being equal plus a whole lot more. They can't have us working together like this for it spells the end of their way of life.
Like I said the best way to weed out friends from foes is to start a fundraiser as the foes will turn on you and withdraw all of their verbal support for you I know these things for it happened to me. Then you will find them starting counter threads to tell people you aren't telling the world the truth which is starting up a propaganda campaign against you. I've seen these things play out many times over since I started working on this technology back in 2006 and as such I have learned how this enemy operates as I've had to deal with them first hand.
Get a crowd fundraiser going as you have my support and if the people can see that I am willing to sacrifice for you given our past then just maybe they too will give you their support. Trust me when I tell you this those that are truly not your friends are going to turn on you but let them as they were truly never your friends in the first place. Like I said all it takes is for us to take a day without eating and give that money to you and I don't know a man or a woman alive that can't do that if they wanted too.
Shabbat Shalom,
TGS
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i have almost 1000 friend in facebook still no one donated... i didnt apealed much though.. maybe i should... i will tell them i´m going to suicide and they will have to live with it for not having helping me...haaa
i believe there are corporations looking what i wrote everyday, i doint think they would post anything though so should not be our people comenting... i guess
i´m not paranoid anymore... my car has got the breaks cut few time ago and i could have died...
its not that i´m saying it was because of the project... but who the fuck knows?
in my honest will i hope if they are reading they can see i´m much more of value live, as i dont want to break any rules.. i just want to play the game...
its 38 dollar for the barrel today...
i really thank your effort and you should know i do the same... i lost 20kg in the last 2 years
i agree if people could dont eat a burger once a month it would be enough for donating... 100 people would do...
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electrotek i think i understood your idea,, thanks you a lot i will give it a try... but if the resistors aren't exactly the same how do i manage to it? if i increase capacitance from one side it should get unbalanced,, ? do you think is possible to build with a single rail power supply?
if i undestood well the final resistance should be 1000 ohm ? for the opamp sensing side? in series with a 20Mohm ? so how the output of the opamp become 50ohm impedance?
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electrotek i think i understood your idea,, thanks you a lot i will give it a try... but if the resistors aren't exactly the same how do i manage to it? if i increase capacitance from one side it should get unbalanced,, ? do you think is possible to build with a single rail power supply?
if i undestood well the final resistance should be 1000 ohm ? for the opamp sensing side? in series with a 20Mohm ? so how the output of the opamp become 50ohm impedance?
I'll give you and example of why you have to buy the right equipment.
Say your running an experiment at college in your chemistry class and it needs to be within +/- 0.00005. You take your materials and run to the local market and use their scales which only have a dial on them. What will your instructor say once you tell him what you did and why?
Like I said this fundraiser is going to show you just who your friends truly are.
Shalom,
TGS
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Like I said this fundraiser is going to show you just who your friends truly are.
Shalom,
TGS
I think it's time you prove where I ever did say I'm a sworn enemy of yours. ???
I am in fact willing to help. If you donate $20 so will I. How much chance is there that anyone else will also? MONEY isn't the only form of help. I'll spend some time and find a schematic and other information. Even donate for the build. A BUILD may be his only realistic option.
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Please keep it clean Ed.
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thank you all for everything i need, for what is necessary steve is coorect lets put our focus on work...
i´m willing to construct one, i tried to make a voltage divider once but it were a mess and the waveform wasnt very good.. today i know little more about constructing maybe i could have luck... i would waste 3 hours maybe..
and edd yes i seem to really have only one good friend unfortunately far away in italy it was the only one who gave a like at the facebook link this in 900 friends.. blame the economy the television but they dont know what they are doing...poor them... i perceived this already in 2008/9 when i could get no fund for the project and started looking at everybody as a selfish piece of shitt, for me the rich people just stinked... up to i started to just dont care about them, if they were to be my inspiration today we would be damned. fortunately i got around and made it all by myself,.. i even made many rich friends in the way and saw how poor their lifes and objectives can be and sometimes how cool some others can be without even trying... as i told you i had much luky realy much more than many... but not that luck to also have infinite money or energy or time or space simultaneously. thats why i accept whatever help... for me is really a bad feeling everytime i burn something... haha
just listening to bobs songs to get away of that feeling..
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Ed, stop writing names on purpose with 3 k,s.
Please?
I would even buy the whole probe for my friend, btw.
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You read that Sebosfato? It looks like you will be getting that differential probe now 8) so do the math on just how much you need as we will make it happen for you :D
This is how the technology will start one man at a time who's heart is in the right place.
Shalom,
TGS
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Steve for me reference in HHO comunity he every day donates to all of us without we even remember of it, and he dont restric himself to this... the work he does maintaining this space is just amazing...he helped me more times but he keep it secret!
as i said when i tried fund raising in energetic forum yet some people from this forum ionizatiox donated there, but edd i dont know if you remember but you use to use that h2opower username... sorry if i´m confusing and werent you... but i remember someone telling everyone else to not donate anything to me since i was not going to get anywhere and the resonant tank informations i was releasing were useless and not what meyer did...
i could take you as my enemy also... but man i know it was just some maybe gelosie at that time.. you were just starting at this like me and others, we were very energetic and disproportional... it were 2006, 2007... i dont really care althout at the time i got little mad about it hehe.. dont worry i dont keep any bad feelings!
lets just keep the thing technological and we will get really far.. there are many important little stuf we need to make... the 5 collum team should at least inpire us to try to unite...
our common enemy is knowledge price, the covalent bound ... the enemy of my enemy should be my friend so we can help each other haha like war 8) most of times our worst enemy can be ourselves or our best friend...
a friend is someone who wants you too improove, not that one that just tell you good luck... i agree in part
Ed i thank you to push this movement to we help each other..
Brothers i thank you so much its being a year that want to get this... but as it costs 1150$ with the deliver to get it here it was really hard... if somebody of you could buy it and than send it as a gift from your country maybe the costume here let it pass without the importing taxes...but i guess your country may also have some sort of importing taxes... just trying to get around from 400 dollars...
i created today a 10kv i guess 8 amp diode that never get burn as long as the current in the circuit is limited.. .
25 tvs diodes in series...
it costed 10 dollars, but i used some used tvs i had tried before so the reverse leakage can be little higher than should if all were new,,, each suports 400v reverse leakage 1amp
is couterpart to you helping me i will release an updated schematic of my pll working circuit... and will opensource the data i generated about my research on barium titanate and how to make it... though this research stoped before testing fase but i got the material technology to make it and could release to those helping willing to know it... this infomation is priceless... is knowledge developed at the university with also many help´..
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Now this message goes out to all of the members on this forum. The time for asking me questions is coming to a close as I must get back to work soon. So, please watch the video and if you have any questions feel free to ask as now is the time to do so.
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Shalom everyone,
TGS
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How did Meyer's Injector achieve focus fusion without Mega Amps in the spark, to produce a magnetic Z-pinch?
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How did Meyer's Injector achieve focus fusion without Mega Amps in the spark, to produce a magnetic Z-pinch?
I did make a response but felt it was too much information sharing so I removed it. This question of yours has nothing to do with the information being shared in the interview video and ignores the fact that this technology works by way of IONIZATION which has already been proven to be true. As was said awhile back you don't get to ask questions as you are not a friend to the technology but one that is unknowingly or knowingly working for those that sell energy or working directly on their behalf out of ignorance. This time I guess the phase "it sucks to be you" applies as it's going to be used on you by me rather you like it or not. You don't get to ask me any questions as you burnt that bridge already.
It is pointless talking you to as you don't have an exciter array from which to work it nor do you have an injector from which to work with. You don't have an differential probe nor many other needed items to be able to observe this technology correctly. You don't even have a voltage intensifier circuit from which to work on as it seems your trying to solve Meyer's work with out duplicate a single thing Meyer used. No 8xa circuit, no anything dealing with Meyer's technology as given to us in the patents or from Don Gable's information sharing with all of us.
When I say the people of this forum it doesn't mean you do you understand? Again you burnt that bridge already.
TGS
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In this forum it is clear that what I have to say, even though it is experiment based, is unwanted here. The last time I was posting I was attacked just for being black and not only did the person(s) who did it not get punished by I was banned for being attacked. If that seems backwards it's because it is. The reason for these attacks is quite clear, in the experiments I have shown no one is able to duplicate the results I am getting so it would seem that jealousy made it's way into the hearts of the masses here. Putting that aside for the moment what I have shown everyone is my actual experimental data and pictures to go along with it. Yes, I have reached 9.3-4kv being applied to the plates of the exciter array but this falls short of the needed 10-20kv as stated by Meyer in his patents for the working voltages of the exciter array. I ran into problems that all of you are going to run into once you reach these voltage levels. Unfortunately this is where most of you will be left behind as the solution to the problem is a costly one and most if not all of you simply can't afford the solution.
So, where does this leave us? Well, to be honest it leaves all of you never to be able to follow what I have shown as it's simply outside of your abilities to afford now meaning your out of the game. With this technology the scientific method is a must as there are simply too many unknowns that must be figured out as trying to sit down reasoning this out simply isn't going to work as you need hands on experiments performed so you can carefully observe and learn from the results. Making use of the scientific method will force you to ask the right questions just as long as you are honest with yourself and pay attention to eye witness accounts of Meyer's technology in action as what they saw you will need to be seeing with your experiments. If the water is getting warm stop and figure out what you are doing wrong. If you are not getting high voltages again stop and figure out what you are doing wrong. Note, not until you figure out how to get the voltages up and above 10kv can or should you be looking for jaw dropping gas production. When you start getting gas production you must take MMW numbers to make sure it is not Dr. Faraday style electrolysis. Taking careful temperature readings will confirm that as well for normal electrolysis will heat up the water at a predictable rate as well as produce gases at a predictable rate.
Now I take you to a bible scripture that I find relevant to this technology as it goes to those that put their pride and ego above the needs of the many. And for those of you that don't like the bible in this technology take it up with Stanley A. Meyer as he quoted Job 38:22-23 to explain this this technology and it's place in our future. Mathew 15:14 "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch" Beware of these Blind Leaders that put pride and ego above all else making themselves look better than they actually are by putting forth lies in the place of real provable work. Some of them are paid to be here to make sure this technology never see's the light of day others are just puffed up full of pride and ego to the point nothing else matters to them other than their need to appear better than everyone else. The one thing you will notice with these people is the lack of any experimental data to back up what they are saying or showing. They will make claims that they are getting much higher voltages to their cells than Meyer gives us are to be the working voltages for the exciter arrays but not have jaw dropping gas production to go along with it. They will show their setups producing gases but refuse to give anyone any MMW numbers so that their work can be properly evaluated. And most of the time they will refuse to do any timed temperature test to prove that they are getting the same effects as told to us by the eye witness accounts of Stanley Meyer's work in action given to us in the Arthur C. Clarke video stating that it will run for a half hour and the temperature never goes up.
You all have to start holding people accountable for their actions and don't be afraid to ask the hard questions, like what type of test equipment are you using as if they don't have a differential probe they simply can't view this technology correctly. If they don't have a set up that is even remotely like that of Stanley A Meyer's then how can they expect to get the same results? Don Gable gave us all we needed to know in order to build the exciter array's correctly along with many other items. Sure they cost a lot to build but it comes with the territory if one wishes to pursue this field of study. You should be able to follow someone else's work providing that you also have the proper test equipment and similar cells from which to work and compare notes with. For those of you that get left behind don't take it personal and start adding in what you think will happen from your mind as this technology is very resistant to intuition and thus requires hands on experiments and at any point you find yourselves unable to perform the experiments simply choose to sit this one out as you will be doing everyone a favor by doing so.
In the video what people failed to ask me was is the unit getting hot? Well, the answer to that question is no. I ran the unit all day long and it's temperature never changed so I must be doing something right, agreed? In the video I showed a little above 4kv being applied to the exciter array but that falls short of what Meyer tells us are the working voltages for the exciter array being 10-20kv, correct? Thus you saw no jaw dropping gas production as I didn't reach the threshold for ionization with just 4kv being applied to the plates of the exciter array. I have improved much since then but as a result have run into problems that needed costly solutions to be able to correct those problems.
So, now where does this leave us and where to I stand? I can't answer for all of you but I will keep working on this technology at a pace I can handle. As for showing and sharing my work that remains to be seen as from my being kicked out for standing up for myself against racial attacks while the guilty go unpunished it leaves me terribly vexed.
Until the next time.
Take care,
TGS
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Ed, I got banned from the Heretical Builder's forum for publicly complaining about a lack of moderation of your verbal abuse. Did you get banned for what you were doing back then? These forums will always treat certain people differently, even unfairly. That's part of the suppression mechanism. If we start pointing fingers, then YOU are part of that mechanism too. Now you'll dump on me some more, following me from one forum to the next.
edit: The moral being, "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone".
In this forum it is clear that what I have to say, even though it is experiment based, is unwanted here. The last time I was posting I was attacked just for being black and not only did the person(s) who did it not get punished by I was banned for being attacked. If that seems backwards it's because it is. The reason for these attacks is quite clear, in the experiments I have shown no one is able to duplicate the results I am getting so it would seem that jealousy made it's way into the hearts of the masses here. Putting that aside for the moment what I have shown everyone is my actual experimental data and pictures to go along with it. Yes, I have reached 9.3-4kv being applied to the plates of the exciter array but this falls short of the needed 10-20kv as stated by Meyer in his patents for the working voltages of the exciter array. I ran into problems that all of you are going to run into once you reach these voltage levels. Unfortunately this is where most of you will be left behind as the solution to the problem is a costly one and most if not all of you simply can't afford the solution.
So, where does this leave us? Well, to be honest it leaves all of you never to be able to follow what I have shown as it's simply outside of your abilities to afford now meaning your out of the game. With this technology the scientific method is a must as there are simply too many unknowns that must be figured out as trying to sit down reasoning this out simply isn't going to work as you need hands on experiments performed so you can carefully observe and learn from the results. Making use of the scientific method will force you to ask the right questions just as long as you are honest with yourself and pay attention to eye witness accounts of Meyer's technology in action as what they saw you will need to be seeing with your experiments. If the water is getting warm stop and figure out what you are doing wrong. If you are not getting high voltages again stop and figure out what you are doing wrong. Note, not until you figure out how to get the voltages up and above 10kv can or should you be looking for jaw dropping gas production. When you start getting gas production you must take MMW numbers to make sure it is not Dr. Faraday style electrolysis. Taking careful temperature readings will confirm that as well for normal electrolysis will heat up the water at a predictable rate as well as produce gases at a predictable rate.
Now I take you to a bible scripture that I find relevant to this technology as it goes to those that put their pride and ego above the needs of the many. And for those of you that don't like the bible in this technology take it up with Stanley A. Meyer as he quoted Job 38:22-23 to explain this this technology and it's place in our future. Mathew 15:14 "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch" Beware of these Blind Leaders that put pride and ego above all else making themselves look better than they actually are by putting forth lies in the place of real provable work. Some of them are paid to be here to make sure this technology never see's the light of day others are just puffed up full of pride and ego to the point nothing else matters to them other than their need to appear better than everyone else. The one thing you will notice with these people is the lack of any experimental data to back up what they are saying or showing. They will make claims that they are getting much higher voltages to their cells than Meyer gives us are to be the working voltages for the exciter arrays but not have jaw dropping gas production to go along with it. They will show their setups producing gases but refuse to give anyone any MMW numbers so that their work can be properly evaluated. And most of the time they will refuse to do any timed temperature test to prove that they are getting the same effects as told to us by the eye witness accounts of Stanley Meyer's work in action given to us in the Arthur C. Clarke video stating that it will run for a half hour and the temperature never goes up.
You all have to start holding people accountable for their actions and don't be afraid to ask the hard questions, like what type of test equipment are you using as if they don't have a differential probe they simply can't view this technology correctly. If they don't have a set up that is even remotely like that of Stanley A Meyer's then how can they expect to get the same results? Don Gable gave us all we needed to know in order to build the exciter array's correctly along with many other items. Sure they cost a lot to build but it comes with the territory if one wishes to pursue this field of study. You should be able to follow someone else's work providing that you also have the proper test equipment and similar cells from which to work and compare notes with. For those of you that get left behind don't take it personal and start adding in what you think will happen from your mind as this technology is very resistant to intuition and thus requires hands on experiments and at any point you find yourselves unable to perform the experiments simply choose to sit this one out as you will be doing everyone a favor by doing so.
In the video what people failed to ask me was is the unit getting hot? Well, the answer to that question is no. I ran the unit all day long and it's temperature never changed so I must be doing something right, agreed? In the video I showed a little above 4kv being applied to the exciter array but that falls short of what Meyer tells us are the working voltages for the exciter array being 10-20kv, correct? Thus you saw no jaw dropping gas production as I didn't reach the threshold for ionization with just 4kv being applied to the plates of the exciter array. I have improved much since then but as a result have run into problems that needed costly solutions to be able to correct those problems.
So, now where does this leave us and where to I stand? I can't answer for all of you but I will keep working on this technology at a pace I can handle. As for showing and sharing my work that remains to be seen as from my being kicked out for standing up for myself against racial attacks while the guilty go unpunished it leaves me terribly vexed.
Until the next time.
Take care,
TGS
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Really?
Edward, i like that you are trying to replicate Meyer and all yr effort that you are putting in.
But please stop feeling sorry for yr self and blaming others and whatever else you try to achieve.
This is also no religion oriented forum.
Talk technology here.
Its that simple.
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So my truth telling is considered verbal abuse huh? Interesting. It just goes to shows how far people actually are from the truth of this technology. As for following you around talk to Steve as he has the history behind why I returned to this forum and you will be surprised to find out it has nothing to do with you.
Everything I ever said about your version of this technology was true as with this technology you don't have a pot or a window to throw it out of. You don't have a WFC built to Meyer's standards, you don't have a differential probe, you don't have a properly built VIC transformer, need I go on? You have nothing but a bunch of untested ideas being compared to my actual experimental data with all the said components. These are the facts are they not? I have built all of these things and have been running experiments on them getting results that no one else is getting currently working on this technology. These results when explained sound just like Meyer's words on how this technology actually works from his descriptions... you know high voltage while restricting the flow of amps and the water bath not heating up over time and all of that.
I'd make real important breakthroughs that would help everyone get their set ups running like Meyer's words describes and you would treat them as nothing of importance telling everyone there was nothing to see here. But unknown to you some did give what I was showing a try and got the exact same results I was getting by getting high voltage while restricting the flow of amps into the mA range after they gave what I was showing everyone a try while ignoring you. You see what makes me different is I am running experiments that everyone can follow given they are willing to build this technology using the information given to us by Don Gable and get the necessary test equipment needed to be able to read and view this technology. My work can be followed and those that have followed it are getting the exact same results I am getting which in the world of science is known as second source verification. I do things by trial and error making use of the scientific method to solve problems and then try again and repeat until I get it right. Why on earth you, or anyone else, would resist this type of hands on approach is beyond me?
In a heated debate between one of Max's supporters I got them to admit that I am the only one, other than those that chose to follow my work, that is showing voltages this high being applied to the water fuel cell while restricting the flow of amps at the same time right now. Which shows there are some good people left in this world as normally when I ask questions like this people fall back on pride and ego and start making up stories that can never be verified. The "Blind Leaders" I talked about are much worse as they will not only start making up stories but will refuse to do any test that would allow someone to actually evaluate their work properly, IE, providing any MMW numbers or running timed temperature test showing there the water isn't being heated up while they push amps through the water as the voltages they are at are simply far below the threshold for ionization to take place. They make one claim after another but none can be verified or copied by others. They suffer from a need to be always be better than everyone else even if they are not provably. Most of the time they can not be saved as they have backed themselves into a corner with all of their lies from which they would have to swallow their puffed up pride and ego and that is something they are simply unwilling to do. In my last dealings with a Blind Leader and his followers they learned the power of reflection in that I'd ask them a question and they would in turn reflect that question back on me trying to make it sound as if I was fishing for information. But that type of fighting relies on someone not answering the questions so I simply answered the question they refused to answer. But then I realized that it works both ways as they didn't know the answer to the questions I was asking and figured out a way for me to give them the information that they needed so that they would be able to answer these questions in the future if asked. But I'm a lot smarter than that and only answered questions that can be easily read in the patents if one just takes the time to read through them to find the solutions to the questions I was asking. I didn't answer any questions that require one to learn from actually performing the experiments.
There is one thing that I do know that in time will hold to be true and that is the road I am on right now others will have to travel down these same paths that I have already been on as it's only a matter of time. I can say this as I understand the core science behind this technology and there are only a few ways to go about breaking the bonds of the water molecules like this. It's not ego or pride talking it's just what I have learned from trial and error with actual hands on experimentation making use of the scientific method as a tool to help guide my efforts.
Well, time to get back to work.
Good experimenting everyone take care,
TGS
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Hi
Ive just seen latest 60mins usa , silicon valley is investing endless millions in driverless cars aswell as electric . their timeline is 2030 everything will be going their way .
any alternative to their product or projection is in direct conflict with the investment program
retrofit H2 system is only compatable with past and present tech , Im sure they are quite comfortable sacrificing the internal combustion engine itself in order to bring in the electric world
the only people running IE will be society out siders , out laws and rebels , because no doubt , what appears to be "greenies" will be the ones pushing to out law IE + diesel engines ........greenies like exxon etc
from my point of view , everyone working on H2 tech have limited time line no matter what technique is used
any cooperation is good stuff
so thats Ed in the pic , the other people partners in co ?
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I'm sorry Ed but I don't get it???
Why are you so hell bent on claiming that you are 'The only one' who knows how Stans tech works, 'The only one' who has successfully replicated Stan's work and why is it that everyone else who has had success has only had it because of what you have done?
Do you think that by claiming on the forums and youtube and the internet that you were the first that somehow that gives you the sole rights to the technology? Or that somehow you deserve all the credit?
I can tell you right now that you'll get no credit, why? Because that's how the world works buddy. Once this tech is in the mainstream people aren't going to go searching through the internet forums trying to find out who claimed they did it first to make sure that person gets the credit/glory/money/fame/whatever.
There were people who did it before Stan. There are others now that have done it. It was done by the people who own Stan's estate like 5 years ago. I know someone who has had a working unit for over two years now. I also know of 3 others who right now have working replications. Your not 'The only one' nor have you ever been 'The only one', hell, you haven't even been the first.
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retrofit H2 system is only compatable with past and present tech , Im sure they are quite comfortable sacrificing the internal combustion engine itself in order to bring in the electric world...
from my point of view , everyone working on H2 tech have limited time line no matter what technique is used.
We should still keep in mind that Meyer's system was Over Unity, due to the Cold Fusion aspect - a process which happened inside his ICE. This aspect can't be duplicated by an electric motor, even with an electrolysis fed fuel cell. People with EV's will be tied to the grid, paying far more for their transportation than will be needed with the alternative.
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Interesting replies, but the primary question I asked was never answered.
Why on earth you, or anyone else, would resist this type of hands on approach is beyond me?
Do these look like claims to you?
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These are not mere claims as I have built these things and performed test in the real world and not just in my head. These people you speak of I don't know them and furthermore they are not in forums like these or did I miss something? As for this technology being over unity no, it's just that the science is new, but the energies can be added up using Albert Einstein's E=MC2. Massive is right in the we all should be working together but that is not what takes place in forums like these.
What is clear to me is that in this forum Black Lives "Don't" Matter for actions speak louder than words ever could. I was wronged in this forum as the actions taken against me are not just claims as they actually did happen. But I guess the question Adriank ask is basically why do I sit at the seat of judgement concerning this technology, am I correct in this line of thinking? The answer to this questions is easy, I did the work to get to where I am at concerning my understanding of the science of how this technology actually works. It wasn't solved in a day but took many years of hard work, time and money spent, while learning from each and every failure. These people that you speak of I simply don't know them so why don't you introduce me to them or show me their work here in this forum right now?! I am basing what I say on what I can see of the work of others and I tell you I don't know these people you are talking about and have never heard of or seen any of their work in this technology. Do I know these people and have failed to give them credit? I require hard proof of what you are telling me so that I may know of these others that you are claiming of right now. Until that happens my claim stands true as I don't know what I don't know as again I don't know of anyone else getting the results I am getting right now.
As for how history will judge me, who knows? More than likely they will treat me as they have always treated my people by pretending we don't exist. I notice these things when I look back on the history of my people and see the things they have done but never given credit for doing so. But, like most I can do nothing for how others chose to write about me or leave me totally out of their writings in the future. All I can do is keep driving on towards wherever this technology leads me and/or needs me. I can't changed the hearts of men who's forefathers have brought them up thinking it is right to treat my people the way they have been treating them from one generation to the next for hundreds of years now. All I can do is make sure I live according to my beliefs as I have no control over the hearts of others.
Take care everyone,
TGS
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People with EV's will be tied to the grid, paying far more for their transportation than will be needed with the alternative.
The electric world will be more restrictive than ever because of environmental laws . here in NZ they are phasing out open fire places , so people have to have heat pumps or GAS !
Once upon a time man discovered fire .......... one day in the not too distant future, man will do time for lighting one .
so , one day IC engine most definitely WILL be phased out and it will be out lawed
any H2 inventions that do work had better be brought forward because sitting on it wont have any pay off
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WTF didn't even know you were black.
That's not even relevant here.
Is there anyone throwing racial slurrs at you? I've never seen such.
Your ridiculous dude, and you create your own enemies because for some reason that's what you want because it confirms your belief that the whole world is against you, so you must be right about Stan. In your mind it's not you that's the problem, it's everyone else. I've known too many of your types to continue this.
Back to the topic of EV's...
The electric motor will eventually take over because they are more efficient than any internal combustion engine.
All that heat that escapes through the tailpipe, all that heat that is removed via the cooling system, that's all lost energy.
Think about the frictional losses through the cylinders, crank shaft, and transmission and all the other moving parts and compare them to an electric motor which only has one moving part.
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Ed suffered racial injurement attack before he got banned few months ago, thats what he is talking about the fact of being hebrew... in my country this is subject of jail... here in the forum we dont have anyway to punish anyone but i´m sure it wont get to this point again too. Ed was baned because he talked about religion sequetialy while he was adverted to stop as this is a forum for technology and stanley meyer tech discussion.
I would kindly point how much waste of time reading thu lots of attacks and non scientific posts...
Please stop wasting your times, our space and alls patience....
We are here not to prove we have anything... nor to prove anyone is wrong .... we are here to share ideas and discuss them... with so much intolerance there will be no room for seeing whats good in each one idea... it all become a big crap ...
i acted in bad way in the past by imaturity for example i would not understand how water could be polarized with no current and i spent lot of energy discussing and discrediting others that were pointing this out,.. you see how much waste of time is to discuss a theory you dont really know when you really dont know all the science in the world?
i really lose the will of coming over here to see this fights over the boards and seeing that someone is being ignored or discredited in principle...
Ed may have a way of saying like if he had all done and right its his way of speaking, just that... i know because i mistakenly talked like this in the past...
If i could spend an advice on this it would be
believe what you need to believe but walk with your foots on the ground steps come one after the other
my two cents....
My best regards
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EV will take over by design and investment control
steam trains are seen as dinosaurs yet nuclear power is a steam generator , no difference just alot more dangerous
EV will take away the level of freedom that a clattery ol IC engine has . moon shiners made their own fuel , on that basis , who cares about efficieny and heat loss ? free fuel = free efficiency = free heat loss
EV cannot equal that , imagine the control circuits , charging circuits etc , car electrical systems today are a night mare (gold mine for service maintainance)
the older the car the better
the history of Chrysler goes back to the electric car co , when EV out numbered IC cars in the late 1800s
over 100 yrs later the very same players are in control of the future.
not forgetting , there was also steam cars
curse electric cars , I grew up on mad max and battle truck , thats more my cuppa tea ;)
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why didn't even know you were black.
That's not even relevant here.
Is there anyone throwing racial slurrs at you? I've never seen such.
Your ridiculous dude, and you create your own enemies because for some reason that's what you want because it confirms your belief that the whole world is against you, so you must be right about Stan. In your mind it's not you that's the problem, it's everyone else. I've known too many of your types to continue this.
Back to the topic of EV's...
The electric motor will eventually take over because they are more efficient than any internal combustion engine.
All that heat that escapes through the tailpipe, all that heat that is removed via the cooling system, that's all lost energy.
Think about the frictional losses through the cylinders, crank shaft, and transmission and all the other moving parts and compare them to an electric motor which only has one moving part.
You never took the time to actually watch the video this thread was made about? So, you just came in here to say what exactly? Couldn't be talking about the video as in your own words you never saw it. Well, in a not so round about way that is what you just said here, correct?
Give me a name of one of these people that says they are getting great results with this technology so that I may have the opportunity to compare notes with them. If not then what was the true purpose for your commenting at all on this thread of which you obviously know nothing about? TGS stands for True Green Solutions the company that is mentioned in the video.
I'd like to say thanks to Sebosfato for his account of what happened to me on this forum as it comes at a time when it truly is needed. Yes, I was attacked on this forum and got punished for being attacked instead of the guilty party(s) being punished like it should have been done. Then they want me to leave the bible out of it when Meyer himself ties it with this technology. They want me to keep talking about this technology so that they can have it without ever having to put in a dimes worth of R&D. Sebosfato I think I have been preaching to the wrong crowd as they don't like the hands on approach I have been taking and sharing and also requiring them to do. So, I will take this technology to those that actually want this technology. A place where it will be cherished and cared for and most of all wanted for the right reasons. In looking at the big picture the total members of this forum verses the world's population this forum means nothing and thus I can and will do better to find a crowd that does want this technology for the right reasons.
All this talk about EV's is also pointless as you have no idea what this technology is capable of nor do you understand what will be required to push the internal combustion engines off the road and replace them with something new. If a company can manage to produce and sell one million EV's a year how much time would it take them to replace over 3.2 billion cars with internal combustion engines in them? You see I have run similar numbers to these questions before and the numbers are for long term planning as it isn't going to be something that can be done in just a few years time. Plus you are asking for this to be done at a time when the US and other countries around the world are on the verge of bankruptcy facing a great depression that's going to make the depression of the 1930's look like a walk in the park. The people have no money as the system that has been set up to rob them of all of their wealth has done exactly that and is nearing the end of it's long term mission.
As for me I will be moving on to someplace where justice has meaning. A place where TGS can start actually putting this technology out to this world and it be accepted by the people there. Always remember this, "this technology is only limited to the inventors abilities to find a use for it." But in order to make use of it you must first get at the core science that drives it as without this understanding you really can't make much use of this technology. Here I have repeatedly heard people say they simply will not give TGS any type of support no matter what happens so with that being said I say best of luck to you all with your efforts towards solving this technology. Perhaps one of these other people that Adriank talks about will pay this site an visit and share what he/she knows and be a person of your likeness so that they will be acceptable to you as your rejection of me is dully noted. That question I ask and had never answered will always be with me as I simply don't understand your rejection of the approach I took towards solving this technology as it was completely hands on making use of the scientific method as a tool to make sure the job was done right.
See ya around maybe, good luck.
TGS
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I watched that video when it first came out. Very well built cells and Gunther's circuit is well engineered.
I'm not trying to hate just trying to point some things out. There might be a logical reason why people keep pushing you away and kicking you out of forums. If you want to be successful with Meyer's tech you can't just go around claiming sole ownership of it.
You get on these biblical high horses as if the great almighty granted you and only you the wisdom to unlock Meyer's secrets-Common man!
And yes I know 3 people who have successful replications that they can all repeat at any time. If they wanted their names to be known in the 'Meyer circle' they would be. Point is they simply have better things to do. But there is a fourth guy I do not know personally but just showed a working replication in front of 30 witnesses. You know him, Max Miller, I bet all that equipment he has you gave him, you made his cell, boards and tuned it for him right?
All I gotta say is if you think you can lead the pack with Meyer tech your wrong, no one can. If this tech ever got into the mainstream do you really think you can compete with corporations that can put millions of dollars into R&D? Corporations with real engineers and real scientists...
Oh wait you can because you have the great almighty on your side, HA~!
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hahahahahahahaha
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I watched that video when it first came out. Very well built cells and Gunther's circuit is well engineered.
I'm not trying to hate just trying to point some things out. There might be a logical reason why people keep pushing you away and kicking you out of forums. If you want to be successful with Meyer's tech you can't just go around claiming sole ownership of it.
You get on these biblical high horses as if the great almighty granted you and only you the wisdom to unlock Meyer's secrets-Common man!
And yes I know 3 people who have successful replications that they can all repeat at any time. If they wanted their names to be known in the 'Meyer circle' they would be. Point is they simply have better things to do. But there is a fourth guy I do not know personally but just showed a working replication in front of 30 witnesses. You know him, Max Miller, I bet all that equipment he has you gave him, you made his cell, boards and tuned it for him right?
All I gotta say is if you think you can lead the pack with Meyer tech your wrong, no one can. If this tech ever got into the mainstream do you really think you can compete with corporations that can put millions of dollars into R&D? Corporations with real engineers and real scientists...
Oh wait you can because you have the great almighty on your side, HA~!
Interesting point of view you have taken. Max and I use to work together. Did you know that I purchased his tickets to go to the 2013 Global BEM and other offered him free travel and room & board? While we were at the event Max went and stabbed us all in the back. Just before he had his event this past weekend we had a few words and in these talks I discovered that he doesn't understand how this technology actually works. At his event you will notice that he wouldn't do any timed temperature test or provide anyone with some MMW numbers so that his work could be evaluated properly by those that viewed it. Max and I broke it off once I saw that he was no longer listening to his experiments and forcing what he believed to be taking place on his experiments instead. Small world, huh? I am one of the few people that can actually tell he doesn't have the technology working correct. But like Russ, Max has learned how to put on a great show and the people that go to these shows don't ask him the hard questions. So, that's one crossed off of your list of people that claim to have this technology working correctly.
As for being chosen by the most high for this? All I know is I asked to be allowed to understand how this technology works and started to get a lot of strange dreams that lead me to understand how this technology actually works. Each time I would try and teach others what I had learned from these dreams I'd be shot down and rejected by practically all I would try and teach. So, it does make me wonder that my failure to be able to teach others is a sign that it just isn't meant for them to understand this technology. I don't know how all of this is going to play out but I do know that I have given up on trying to teach this technology and have moved on towards actually bringing it out instead as the numbers say I have been preaching to the wrong crowd as there is a whole world that needs this technology and someone is going to have to build it for them. When I posed the hard question to Open Source about how are those who can't build this technology for themselves supposed to be able to get this technology? The answer I was given let me know I was dealing with the wrong crowd as I was told "It sucks to be them." After this heart breaking reply to my question I started to break away from Open Source as they didn't stand for the same things I stood for. I only came back to this site due to a promise I made a long time ago. I fulfilled that promise, left the information up for a few months and then took it down due to the over whelming negativity I got from the members here. But I did live up to my promise. Now it's time for me to move on again as I wash my hands of these Open Source forums that have shown me nothing but greed, suffering, and ridicule.
As for the cell in the video it had to be replaced as it had flaws and errors in it's design and even it's replacement had to again be replaced for the very same reasons as I had to learn how to build the thing correctly by way of trial and error. Here are the other designs that lead up to the one I am using now.
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And this is my current design with all the bugs worked out of it and some improvements made to the original Meyer design that solved the problems I saw he was having with the unit.
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Again all of this was done by way of trial and error until I got it right enough to stop having the problems I was seeing. The one in the video actually would take 12kv or more to get it to work correctly. The other one didn't have enough resistance in the form of water between the plates, and this new on has been designed to take all of these problems and more out of the device.
On this site I did as promised. I posted the solution but it was openly rejected and once I saw it's rejection was total and/or complete I removed it. I now yield to the Blind Leaders as I choose to no longer fight them. I have a mission in front of me that I will be following to the best of my abilities to do so. Like those you talked about but never mentioned I too am not looking for fame or glory but truly looking to help the poor. Unlike them I gave hope to the idea that this technology would be accepted by the Open Source community but I stand here now knowing that I was wrong about that as the propaganda is just too strong and I simply wasn't able to break through it. I will do as my heart tells me but know that it too can not be fully trusted as after all it is only human. I will do my best to obey the most high YAH and follow his commandments to the best of my abilities to do so as that is what is required of man and especially from his people as I am of the seed of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob and we made a covenant with the most high and are still bound by it. So, I bid you all farewell as I take on this next chapter of my life in service to the most high YAH the creator of all things.
Bye for now,
TGS
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Very nice cells you have. Honestly that's good work, I know how much time and effort and $ it takes to get one made...
You could be right about Max. That is a good point because one thing many people are missing here is proper scientific documentation and measurements.
Anyways I would advise you to cover up your cells and connections between them with a conductive metal shield. You might also want to use some coax cable for your connections. When you really get things working the exposure to the radiation released will make you sicker than a dog. Trust me. It only takes operating the cell unshielded for a few minutes to make you sick for hours.
I think it was artinvegas that said Stan was diagnosed Prostate cancer a few years before he died....Perhaps the radiation exposure over time had something to do with it? But for his age prostate cancer is not uncommon...
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surely anyone looking at those cells has to admit , they are quality items 8)
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surely anyone looking at those cells has to admit , they are quality items 8)
I agree with you here.
Edward makes nice and beautifull components. :)
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Very nice cells you have. Honestly that's good work, I know how much time and effort and $ it takes to get one made...
You could be right about Max. That is a good point because one thing many people are missing here is proper scientific documentation and measurements.
Anyways I would advise you to cover up your cells and connections between them with a conductive metal shield. You might also want to use some coax cable for your connections. When you really get things working the exposure to the radiation released will make you sicker than a dog. Trust me. It only takes operating the cell unshielded for a few minutes to make you sick for hours.
I think it was artinvegas that said Stan was diagnosed Prostate cancer a few years before he died....Perhaps the radiation exposure over time had something to do with it? But for his age that's also not uncommon...
Well, 1 on 5 people will get cancer, is it?
So, he might just be unlucky.....
This with all well ment respect.
Its sad he is not with us anymore.
The world would might have looked a bit cleaner....
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In this photo in order for us to compare notes you must hook up your differential probe to D&E shown in the photo as that is the point that shows you what voltage you are applying to the load which is the water fuel capacitor.
This way we can compare apples to apples. This connection point is most important as it tells you how much voltage you are placing on the plates of the exciter array. If the resonant cavities are built the same or close to the ones in Meyer's 11 resonant cavity cell then according to Meyer each resonant cavity must have 1kv or more in order to work correctly. So, for an 11 cell exciter array it will take 11kv or more at measurement points D&E to get the exciter array working correctly. For a cell with 10 resonant cavities it will take 10kv or more measured at points D&E to get the exciter array to work correctly. However there is a catch to this as the more resonant cavities you remover the higher the Voltage Intensifier circuit's resistance has to be to make up for the loss in resistance and at the same time the chokes must be larger to make up for the increase in capacitance. These are the trends that will allow you to correctly design your exciter arrays. Example if you make an exciter array with only 6 resonant cavities more than likely you will have to make use of some resistance wire as that is a lot of lost of resistance in the form of water going from 11 to 6 resonant cavities and the chokes will have to be very large to make up for the increase in capacitance.