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Here's the schematic for the gating signal.
There is some bleed through from the back of the sheet,but it's still readable.Someone can do a better job with MS Paint or whatever (TONY)
Don
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Thank you Don for this piece of the puzzle. I know I won't be the only one building and experimenting with this.
Regards,
kb
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here's a nice summary page of the circuits surrounding don's quiz question circuit
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/wo92.htm
kb
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Don, A26 you didn't label it...is it a 74122???
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/Fig.6-values.png)
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Don, A26 you didn't label it...is it a 74122???
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/Fig.6-values.png)
74123 will work better because the inputs are combined within the chip instead of tying them together outside like pins 1&2 and 3&4
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Tony, yes it's a 74122. Q10 and Q11 were small black transisters. 2N2222 are metals ones.
Don
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Thanks Don....you can also get the 2N2222 in the black plastic packages, they are listed as 2N2222A. Also I noticed that you have the resistor coming from the base of the transistor marked as a 47k, is this correct? I would think it would be a 4.7k instead. Are all the caps you have listed here ceramic and tantalum types?
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Yes the resistor at the base is a 4.7k,I marked it wrong.The cap across pins 11 and 13 of the 74122 is an electrolytic,non-polarized.The rest are like you think.
Don
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ok thanks Don =)
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Thanks Don! Hit us with the next quiz :)
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Don,
Did Stan make any reference to what VEE is? Is it maybe an unregulated voltage, regulated voltage, extra smoothed voltage, variable voltage?
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Don,
Did Stan make any reference to what VEE is? Is it maybe an unregulated voltage, regulated voltage, extra smoothed voltage, variable voltage?
Tony sorry i erroneously edited your post, while trying to quote...
Here's something i wanted to know too.
By the way,
Thanks for everything Don.
Br
sebs
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Also I would like to add, could VEE maybe be 10v cuz on Stan's GMS he has an indicator light for 10v and also on some of the components in the patent he has them powered by 10v such as in fig. 11 and fig. 8.
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just spent the last 4 hours trying to simulate dons post of the figure 6 schematic in multisim
No Luck, it does not do what we want...maybe those NOR chips were XNOR or AND on the input???
anyway i got to thinking on this and multisim has a retriggerable monostable multivubrator in the CD series
CD4058
so i found that if we want an output that has a gate of variable width inside of a variable duty cycle from the accelerator we cant just trigger the 74122 or 74123 with the high logic signal it doesnt work...
but this circuit here does work, only change is get rid of those logic components on the input and we keep the safety pull ring to turn it off in emergency...but the most important part is figure 12
if we feed this CD 4058 with one signal from the figure 12 ckt to trigger the gate at say 5khz
and then send that 5 khz to the figure 2 manual PWM
we get what we want
an accelerator pedal on top of a gate that is manually adjustable on top of a PLL frequency just like the normal output of fig 6 ties into the pll ay point "A"
here it is:
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wow i been try in to put that into multism too lol im not good at that stuff.
what is it listed as cuz i cant find it?
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search like this *74123*
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here is a screenshot of the results
filename should be 4538...ignore filename...contents are correct
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I simply use the ne555 and the lm741 for the pulse width and frequency adjustable gate generator.. Like in my diagram, work very nice...
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Here's the schematic for the gating signal.
There is some bleed through from the back of the sheet,but it's still readable.Someone can do a better job with MS Paint or whatever (TONY)
Don
thanks for all you are doing. Please help with this one sir. the schematic you posted does not simulate with the component values given
attached is a multisim 11 file to show exactly what i mean, here is your circuit for you to simulate (attached)
i believe a CD 4538 will work better with a slightly different configuration for the circuit ( i posted it in another section of this topic)
thANKS AGAIN!
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Don,
Can you post an actual image of just the gated circuit section?
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Tony, vee is usually a negative value if you go by the definition.In figure 5 vee was +12 volts.When Stan used 10 volts anywhere he labeled it that way as you pointed out.VEE in figure 6 just powers the ligh,no big deal there.I don't have an image for this schematic.
Ali,the signal coming into firgure 6 is from the Digital Control Means when in auto mode,and the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator when on manual.When in manual mode it will be a square wave 50% duty cycle signal.I have no idea why it won't work in your simulator, don't have alot of faith in them when it comes to Stans work.
The schematic is correct,it's how it was on the board.Tony pointed out a wrong value for one of the resistors in the schematic I posted,did you make that adjustment to you sim?
Don
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oh ok thanks...yea typically VEE is a negative voltage but I don't see where that would work in this setup. It could just be a typo.
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Tony, vee is usually a negative value if you go by the definition.In figure 5 vee was +12 volts.When Stan used 10 volts anywhere he labeled it that way as you pointed out.VEE in figure 6 just powers the ligh,no big deal there.I don't have an image for this schematic.
Ali,the signal coming into firgure 6 is from the Digital Control Means when in auto mode,and the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator when on manual.When in manual mode it will be a square wave 50% duty cycle signal.I have no idea why it won't work in your simulator, don't have alot of faith in them when it comes to Stans work.
The schematic is correct,it's how it was on the board.Tony pointed out a wrong value for one of the resistors in the schematic I posted,did you make that adjustment to you sim?
Don
when i was able to massage the components to make the specified circuit figure 6 work, the triggering went from 10% duty cycle to 50% and then gradually back towards 10%... even though the figure 2 signal was going from 10% towards 90%
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so i came up with a better alternative that will work with up to 20 VDC that simulates correctly.
I will wait to see if anyone builds the 74122 version and then post my actual scope results from my cd4538 version
as long as the end result is the same who cares what the schematic or components are.
Don have you tried running both simulations i posted?
Also Don, what frequency range are we shooting for on the variable pulse freq. gen fig 12 ?
will the fact that there are divide by 2 chips on FIG 12 cause a perfect 50% duty cycle, becausecause those 555 timers are terrible on their waveform for output
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Ali,
I don't have the copy of that simulator,so I haven't tried to run them.I don't care to either.I was able to test that original circuit,and it worked just fine.
The frequency generator should go to 40khz out of the 555 before going into the 4017.
Any duty cycle into those 4017 chips will always come out at 50% duty cycle.That's what they do along with the devide by function.
Don
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Don, got a question about the variable frequency generator. Was it set to a max of 10khz or was it higher? I noticed you said something about 40khz, is that for the variable frequency generator?
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Howdy just got in from work ...I have a multism 11 started if someone wants to play with it..The 122 option isnt available with the sim so ive been using the 123.I havent figured out how to get the adjustment section tied into the 123 yet.The part i dont understand is connections M1 and B.
I stuck the tecktronix scope on it and tried to measure the frequency... weird ..... hope somebody will check it out.Ehh im probably wrong but it looks like the gate is providing the "hit" lol I dont know but will somebody tell me wer the M1 and B connections come from cawz in this sim I made up a pulse for just the M1 connection.
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Howdy just got in from work ...I have a multism 11 started if someone wants to play with it.. Im just able to get some pulses out of and im sure Ive got some errors.The 122 option isnt available with the sim so ive been tring the 123.The part i dont understand is connections M1 and B.
I stuck the tecktronix scope on it and tried to measure the frequency... weird ..... hope somebody will check it out.Ehh im probably wrong but it looks like the gate is providing the "hit" lol I dont know but will somebody tell me wer the M1 and B connections come from?
M1 is from figure 2 of stan meyers control circuits patent its a variable width pulse based on the position of the gas pedal, controlled by a sliding metal shuttle or window between a row of LED's and Photosensors. the 16 inputs to a multiplexor are variable and that translates to a 10% thru 90% pulse width
This pulse width does 2 things, one: it controls the Positive side voltage using figures 3 & 4 to the primary of the VIC coil
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two: it controls the number of gated PLL signals.
( there is a gate anded with the PLL... fig 6 and fig 7... these then are supervised by figure 2 for final throttle speed or GAS PRODUCTION by using a PWM level to control output
B: is probably used to calibrate the figure 6 for mechanical resonance ( using a 50% duty cycle signal that is fixed from figure 12) then switched to M1 for running normal operation via throttle pedal control
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Mr.Don is it normal to get an output frequency much differant from the input frequency? The sim shows putting in 1khz and outputing 3khz
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Tony,I once made the frequency generator on a breadboard,and the 555 output was @ 42khz.I haven't checked to see if Stan used different caps and resistors with this one,but my guess would have been the same for both.
I don't see anything in that circuit that is used to adjustment for a max setting of frequency.The Gated Pulse Frequency Generator (fig 6) just adjust duty cycle,and the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator adjust frequency (fig 12).
So if you get 40khz out of the 555,then you get 4khz after the first decade counter,then 400hz,40hz.
Newguy,I don't think that the frequency should change after passing through the 74122.As stated above,it's only meant to adjust duty cycle.
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Ive got cleaner sim now but still no adjustment but im still try'n to fix it.
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yet a little closer i believe but still no adjustment.Im not familar with the 74123 chips but there must be a reason he chose it.. i say "it" cawz the 74123 is just a double 74122 but the 74123 is all thats available for the sim.The only thing specific ive found about the chip is that its not a 50% duty cycle like a 555 chip.Im still try'n to fix it the sim tho.Wish we had the frequency generator Stan used cawz in his notes he says its a resonate frequency generator.
anywho I just changed d1 to 1n418 and its behaven a lil differant, still no dern adjustment tho.
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Im under the impression this circuit is most important to provide the correct waveform ??? ?
well i just changed the d1 to a 1n914 and the frequency to 5khz on the am signal and it looks more like Stans drawings after you let the sim run for a minute and really look at it.Still no adjustment tho and i havent got the cell off or pull ring switches to work.
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ok.... finally .... its not the adjustment that doesnt work its the sim.with the values posted and running 5khz am into it if u manually change the pots value it works but with the 5khz it doesnt work under 90kohms.and i cant get a square wave into it to work at all.
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Newguy, is much simpler to use a 555 timer and an opamp like 741, so you can vary from 0 up to 100% dutycycle without changing the frequency. Please Don't think that this circuit for the gate is absolutely necessary or the only way to make the gate to put the thing to work cause its not.
Of course is better than the opamp, for higher frequencies, maybe,,,
The important thing is to match the impedance so you can apply maximum voltage to the water restricting the amps.
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Newguy, is much simpler to use a 555 timer and an opamp like 741, so you can vary from 0 up to 100% dutycycle without changing the frequency. Please Don't think that this circuit for the gate is absolutely necessary or the only way to make the gate to put the thing to work cause its not.
Of course is better than the opamp, for higher frequencies, maybe,,,
The important thing is to match the impedance so you can apply maximum voltage to the water restricting the amps.
ok but its not changing the frequency the only thing its doing ..well i dare say the only thing but ...... wat its not doing is changing the frequency.What its doing is timing how often the frequency goes thru.(duty cycle of the frequency)Im very currious how the cell driver circuit effects the pulse from this gated signal but I would almost bet it just amplifies it so the the primary dont burn up the circut... but i really cant wait to see a waveform from this circut :) to me it looks just like his drawing... thing is his drawing looks like a regular square wave untill youve played with this circuit :) for some reason you have to usually slide the pot a lil bit to get the sim to start sometimes ....
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ok but its not changing the frequency the only thing its doing ..well i dare say the only thing but ...... wat its not doing is changing the frequency.What its doing is timing how often the frequency goes thru.(duty cycle of the frequency)Im very currious how the cell driver circuit effects the pulse from this gated signal but I would almost bet it just amplifies it so the the primary dont burn up the circut... but i really cant wait to see a waveform from this circut :) to me it looks just like his drawing... thing is his drawing looks like a regular square wave untill youve played with this circuit :) for some reason you have to usually slide the pot a lil bit to get the sim to start sometimes ....
try this circuit....works better in the sim
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=1965.msg19749#msg19749
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ok but its not changing the frequency the only thing its doing ..well i dare say the only thing but ...... wat its not doing is changing the frequency.What its doing is timing how often the frequency goes thru.(duty cycle of the frequency)Im very currious how the cell driver circuit effects the pulse from this gated signal but I would almost bet it just amplifies it so the the primary dont burn up the circut... but i really cant wait to see a waveform from this circut :) to me it looks just like his drawing... thing is his drawing looks like a regular square wave untill youve played with this circuit :) for some reason you have to usually slide the pot a lil bit to get the sim to start sometimes ....
try this circuit....works better in the sim
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=1965.msg19749#msg19749
Thanks Ali, i think i got overexcited for a minute i found an error on connection K and i dont like connection K lol. The waveform has changed to something regular on the sim thru a transformer so Im kinda depressed rite now lol.
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ok my hopes are back up again....i just picked the first coponents i found to check it again but now the waveform remains the same thru a transformor :)
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ok my hopes are back up again....i just picked the first coponents i found to check it again but now the waveform remains the same thru a transformor :)
Hi Newguy
I have question to You . Is Q4 connected corect in this sim?
andy
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Just want to let everyone know that this circuit doesn't work. I built it today and couldn't get anything at the at the output, not sure what the issue is with this circuit.
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Just want to let everyone know that this circuit doesn't work. I built it today and couldn't get anything at the at the output, not sure what the issue is with this circuit.
research truth tables for XOR, NOR ( in stans fig 6) and XNOR
I think we need XNOR logic to make the signal get through to the 74122
Was that the chip you used when you built the non functional circuit?
I think the patent drawing was drawn wrong on those logic ICs, the only time a NOR gate allows a signal high is when all inputs are LOW and this cant happen with VDD on each of the pins continuously !
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Don or anyone, do you have the pinout connections for figure 12 on the 4017 chips?
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I used the 74122, I even bypassed the NOR gates and still nothing at the output. There must be some values wrong for the components the connect to the 74122.
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Ok guys I withdraw my previous statement. I had a faulty 7404 on my Variable Frequency Generator, it wasn't allowing the pulses to go down to 0v and this was causing the 74122 not to output anything, but i have it all working now and it works GREAT!!!!
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ok my hopes are back up again....i just picked the first coponents i found to check it again but now the waveform remains the same thru a transformor :)
Hi Newguy
I have question to You . Is Q4 connected corect in this sim?
andy
nope Andy its not :( you'll have to look over me sometimes... im not an electronics guy and nite shift messes with me lol Do we know the values for the cell driver components ? ill b try n to fill in the circuit with at least all the correct variables in the cell driver .... i cant find a transistor configured exactly like the pnp ones on fig 5 does anyone know wat they are or if they are pnp and npn transistors?
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when the arrow direction point to the base is pnp. when the arrow point to the emiter is the npn.
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ok here is the waveform or something closer to wat i was expecting to see, all ive done is superimposed another signal onto the gate signal.The idea i thawt i guess is to fill every other pulse with the gate signal.Ive got the frequency and adjustment close but not perfect if anyone is interested or will state an opinnion.The cell driver circuit variables are there but not not hooked up ,you can see wer the scope is attatched the reisister that hooks up the cell driver part.. i just guessed at the components wich aint good but should be able to be replaced with ease if someone knows the rite parts. again i thawt the idea was to fill every other pulse of the superimposed signal with a gate signal.Im just tryin to learn for now so an oppinion would be nice :) I dont have the frequency and gate adjustment matched to fill just every other pulse yet.
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Ali, the frequency generator circuit (fig 12) is the same as the 8XA thats already posted somewhere on this site.The chips are 7490 and not 4017.
Don
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Yea thats the type Variable Frequency Generator that Im using. I have the complete circuit about 95% completed, I just need to make some connections between the boards and add a couple of capacitors and it will be finished and ready for testing. So far I've been able to test out the Variable Frequency Generator, Gated Pulse Generator, Pulse Indicator, Driver Circuit and Resonant Scanning Circuit. They are all operating as Stan says they should. The biggest part will of course be the PLL circuit. Keep ya fingers crossed. I will report my results ASAP!!!
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Ali, the frequency generator circuit (fig 12) is the same as the 8XA thats already posted somewhere on this site.The chips are 7490 and not 4017.
Don
@Don: ...Didnt you say somewhere that the 4017 would make a 50% duty cycle out of a trigger signal?
the output of the 555 is more of a spike on fig 12 than a 50%duty cycle...I know that once the divide by 10 chip gets that spike it converts it to a 50% duty cycle but can this be done elsewhere with a 4017?
I tried combining the outputs of a 4017 all even numbered and made a frequency divider but had to use 1n4148 diodes or it wouldnt simulate...and there is quite a voltage drop with those...
@Tony: can you please explain if your gated fig 6 with the 74122 used NOR chips or XNOR, etc...?
thanks guys
P.S. does anyone have a clue where the EEC circuit was located on the buggy to extract the electrons from the ambient air in the gas processor? or a good parts list for the EEC circuit?
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@Ali ...The 4017's are basically the same as the 7490's, its just the 7490's are TTL chips that operate on 5v and the 4017's are CMOS which can operate with voltages higher than 5v like say 10v, 12v, 15v...etc. Both are positive edge triggers. This means that the rising edge of any pulse is how it get its signal and it doesn't do anything with the negative edge or falling edge. Hope this answered your question.
I'm using 7402 NOR just like posted in the image that I posted with the values that Don gave out ( http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=1965.msg19731#msg19731 (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=1965.msg19731#msg19731) ) I have actually built this circuit and it does work as Don said earlier.
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wow i didnt like connection K yesterday but today is my friend lol. i found that if signal K matches the superimposed frequency it does wat ive been trying to do manually for two days on its own :) I did have to add a FWB to the imposed signal .Ive got the rectified am signal at 120hz and connection K at 120 hz , the resonate frequency generator(am) set at 5khz.
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wow i didnt like connection K yesterday but today is my friend lol. i found that if signal K matches the superimposed frequency it does wat ive been trying to do manually for two days on its own :)
All connection "K" does is if the pressure sensor senses too high of a pressure it will send a high signal to the transistor which will cause the the transistor to be active and then the output to the AND gate will be 0v and this will stop the signal from going to the PLL circuit. Its just a safty feature.
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wow i didnt like connection K yesterday but today is my friend lol. i found that if signal K matches the superimposed frequency it does wat ive been trying to do manually for two days on its own :)
All connection "K" does is if the pressure sensor senses too high of a pressure it will send a high signal to the transistor which will cause the the transistor to be active and then the output to the AND gate will be 0v and this will stop the signal from going to the PLL circuit. Its just a safty feature.
Thats cool i can see if the frequency on connection K is higher then it cuts some pulses off for instance in the sim it and the imposed signal is running at 120hz and the output is one for one but if K is raised to 240 hz it cuts the pulses in half and so on. I s that how you see the sensor working or a voltage controlled sensor or something else?
The signal to "K" isn't going to be a pulse signal, its a variable voltage signal from the GMS.
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wow i didnt like connection K yesterday but today is my friend lol. i found that if signal K matches the superimposed frequency it does wat ive been trying to do manually for two days on its own :)
All connection "K" does is if the pressure sensor senses too high of a pressure it will send a high signal to the transistor which will cause the the transistor to be active and then the output to the AND gate will be 0v and this will stop the signal from going to the PLL circuit. Its just a safty feature.
Thats cool i can see if the frequency on connection K is higher then it cuts some pulses off for instance in the sim it and the imposed signal is running at 120hz and the output is one for one but if K is raised to 240 hz it cuts the pulses in half and so on. I s that how you see the sensor working or a voltage controlled sensor or something else?
The signal to "K" isn't going to be a pulse signal, its a variable voltage signal from the GMS.
ohhh... thank ya Mr. Tony :)
sorry bout tha silly posts.... keep up the good work man 8)
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@Ali ...The 4017's are basically the same as the 7490's, its just the 7490's are TTL chips that operate on 5v and the 4017's are CMOS which can operate with voltages higher than 5v like say 10v, 12v, 15v...etc. Both are positive edge triggers. This means that the rising edge of any pulse is how it get its signal and it doesn't do anything with the negative edge or falling edge. Hope this answered your question.
I'm using 7402 NOR just like posted in the image that I posted with the values that Don gave out ( http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=1965.msg19731#msg19731 (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=1965.msg19731#msg19731) ) I have actually built this circuit and it does work as Don said earlier.
@ Tony... have you tried the figure 6 gate circuit with a variable pulse width input ( from the accelerator figure2)
If so, what does the waveform look like?
does it appear to be able to vary the duty cycle of the gated signals as well? ( as it should, to increase or decrease gas output)
@ All
Is the Control Circuits group figures 2 thru 12 supposed to also work on Stan's later development where the buggy ran on Injectors and a Gas Processor only ( NO resonant cavity) and the new slotted stacked bobbin 6-1 VIC for each injector?
wondering if this circuitry was only designed for the U-I core VIC we have been watching Tony Build???
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You should all be proud of yourselves for using this forum to restore the good name of a Brilliant Christian Scientist who's name was dragged through the mud... To all those who think Stan Meyer was a fraud...THESE CIRCUITS ARE REAL, THEY WORK....ENOUGH SAID!
KEEP THE FAITH EVERYONE, DONT GIVE UP TILL WERE ALL RUNNING DOWN THE ROAD ON FREE ENERGY!
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Energy Independance is a basic human right provided by the Creator
Proof? does it take any money to let a horse graze freely in a field?
can you ride a horse for free?
Can you walk for free
then why should greedy men control our energy future, its abundant and all around us... we can even de-salinate ocean water and provide for less fortunate
Stan said the primary goal of this technology was to promote the Gospel of Christ to the world
Power to the believers!
good job everyone!
Thanks to Donaldwfc, Dynodon, Tony and all the others who continue on this thread
take good notes, make DVDS and give them to your family and friends and have them do the same, before the MAN comes down hard on this forum!
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@Ali
:) :)
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@ All
Is the Control Circuits group figures 2 thru 12 supposed to also work on Stan's later development where the buggy ran on Injectors and a Gas Processor only ( NO resonant cavity) and the new slotted stacked bobbin 6-1 VIC for each injector?
wondering if this circuitry was only designed for the U-I core VIC we have been watching Tony Build???
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What Stan said in one of his videos is that all the parts could be miniaturized to a few chips. I assume that the separate circuits could be programmed in a micro-controller system on chip at the end.
The Injectors and Gas Processor are also resonant cavities but at a different scale and parameters as the U-I core used for the 10 WFC type resonant cavity.
The resonant cavity is the space (gap) between two electrodes where longitudinal waves are generated and "Resonant Action" occurs.
br,
Webmug
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Webmug,
Your right about the microcontroller. It's mentioned in the WFC News Release issue no 10. There is a pic of it in that news release. It states that the chip is able to perform 1.6 million logic functions per second. I think I actutally have a picture of his final boards which shows the microcontroller on it.
If you don't have that news release it on tony's site, globalkast.org under documentation.
Thanks Tony!
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Allthough i have been mostly observing, reading and learning on this forum for the last months, i also have started to design, simulate and build my own wfc. Since i have a background in electronics and computer science i decided to base my system on a microchip PIC processor. I think that by using a micro processor you not only reduce the part count it also greatly improves the possibilities to test and debug your wfc since i am able to change parameters or even the entire configuration with in system programing in very little time from software instead of changing entire electronic circuits. I hope to show some early results soon ..... (why doesn't a day have more than 24 hours :P )
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Allthough i have been mostly observing, reading and learning on this forum for the last months, i also have started to design, simulate and build my own wfc. Since i have a background in electronics and computer science i decided to base my system on a microchip PIC processor. I think that by using a micro processor you not only reduce the part count it also greatly improves the possibilities to test and debug your wfc since i am able to change parameters or even the entire configuration with in system programing in very little time from software instead of changing entire electronic circuits. I hope to show some early results soon ..... (why doesn't a day have more than 24 hours :P )
That's great Sharky, looking forward for your results.
What is your solution for a PLL function in the controller with electronics and computer science background?
Are you clocking the PIC clock dynamically or do you use Software PLL (ADC/DAC) solution. Should be (0Hz - 20kHz) range.
My idea is to build a 12bit SPLL using a ADC or PULSE counter to generate GATED PULSE signal from the DAC on a STM32 SoC.
I don't know if a microcontroller could do 0.01Hz or 0.001Hz steps accuracy for resonance PULSE adjustments.
Maybe a FPGA chip could be handy?
It would be great if you also use a SPPL or have other solutions.
br,
Webmug
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Well I completed the system and have been testing it for the past couple days. I haven't been about to generator high voltages with the transformer. This could maybe be to the cores that Im using, maybe I need ferrite cores instead of powder iron. I'll have to see if i can get a hold of some of these cores!
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Wow, Tony, you are really making progress.
I have finished the 8XA, and am tweaking it.
Do you plan on having the schematics and nfo for the resonant scanning circuit on your site at some point?
Kudos to all!
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!
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Well I completed the system and have been testing it for the past couple days. I haven't been about to generator high voltages with the transformer. This could maybe be to the cores that Im using, maybe I need ferrite cores instead of powder iron. I'll have to see if i can get a hold of some of these cores!
You could try OG laminations, so you can cut the way you want it (keep in mind the orientation). Would be difficult to get a ferrite with the specific size of your bobbins, otherwise you would need more bobbins.
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Who built the gated pulse gen like in the patent or like Tony and worked?I tried bouth crkts on breadboard and pcb and none of them worked....
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Who built the gated pulse gen like in the patent or like Tony and worked?I tried bouth crkts on breadboard and pcb and none of them worked....
Did you hook it up to a powersupply? ;D ;D ;D
Just kidding......
Do you see a squarewave on yr scope, without having a load to the circuit?
Steve
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Who built the gated pulse gen like in the patent or like Tony and worked?I tried bouth crkts on breadboard and pcb and none of them worked....
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2523.msg23643.html#msg23643
Check if you have version 1 pcb of Tony.
Regards
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Who built the gated pulse gen like in the patent or like Tony and worked?I tried bouth crkts on breadboard and pcb and none of them worked....
Did you hook it up to a powersupply? ;D ;D ;D
Just kidding......
Do you see a squarewave on yr scope, without having a load to the circuit?
Steve
I see a square wave but not the gated signal from the 9xb,and when i increase duty it loses signal
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Who built the gated pulse gen like in the patent or like Tony and worked?I tried bouth crkts on breadboard and pcb and none of them worked....
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2523.msg23643.html#msg23643
Check if you have version 1 pcb of Tony.
Regards
the gating with 7402...and the rest is the same like in the patent
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this is the output on pin 8 of the 74122
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The gate is only a mean for controlling gas output, in later design actually it is probably substituted by the injectors signal... think about it...
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The gate is only a mean for controlling gas output, in later design actually it is probably substituted by the injectors signal... think about it...
What about the stepcharging?
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The gate is only a mean for controlling gas output, in later design actually it is probably substituted by the injectors signal... think about it...
What about the stepcharging?
From my understanding, the "Step Charging" that Stan refers to is just a way of saying charging a capacitor with pulses, in a step method other than just charging a capacitor with a single applied voltage.
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The gate is only a mean for controlling gas output, in later design actually it is probably substituted by the injectors signal... think about it...
What about the stepcharging?
From my understanding, the "Step Charging" that Stan refers to is just a way of saying charging a capacitor with pulses, in a step method other than just charging a capacitor with a single applied voltage.
I read your posts and Dons on the thread about the function of the gated pulse...that once the pll finds the res freq of the LC crkt you have to manualy adjust the gating to match the ''cap'' charging times,you pointed that Tony with a graph on how much% the cap is charged by adjusting the gate.
Look at the behaviour of the gated signal when i turn the gate pot on diffrent freq setings(att)
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You guys know how to make a simple test circuit for 74122?because i want to know if its broken or not because is expensive to order another one all the way from England!
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In a simulation I have been able to prove that the gated pulse at resonance would actually charge a capacitor with a higher charge.
See attached image. There is a switch beside a relay that is being pulsed at 200hz. The resonant frequency of this circuit is 1.047khz. When the switch to activate the gate is off (closed), the max charge of the cap is about 50V. When the switch is opened, allowing it to gate, the cap charges to over 80V. The step up transformer is a 1:4 and the source voltage is 14V. Changing the duty cycle on the gate up to 90% increases the cap charge to up to 110V.
TS
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Don, A26 you didn't label it...is it a 74122???
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/Fig.6-values.png)
74123 will work better because the inputs are combined within the chip instead of tying them together outside like pins 1&2 and 3&4
ali can you came up with a schematic for the 74123 similar to Stan's?
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In a simulation I have been able to prove that the gated pulse at resonance would actually charge a capacitor with a higher charge.
See attached image. There is a switch beside a relay that is being pulsed at 200hz. The resonant frequency of this circuit is 1.047khz. When the switch to activate the gate is off (closed), the max charge of the cap is about 50V. When the switch is opened, allowing it to gate, the cap charges to over 80V. The step up transformer is a 1:4 and the source voltage is 14V. Changing the duty cycle on the gate up to 90% increases the cap charge to up to 110V.
TS
this play with bemf,TS.but switch from secondary,Is the same frquency of relay(200hz)?maybe this is the real circuit of Stan.
Do you know about Triac of Meyer's Part?
gated at short duration(90-95duty cycle,5-10% gated),mean high voltage high amps(from Bemf) short duration.
-when you write patents,you must use trick word like "Switching Diode" to keep secret. i know that picture is diode why explain and place name "switching doide"???use 10khz but use switching diode(for high frequency)?normal diode(1n1198,1n4001-7) can operate at over 50khz,why use switching diode? what do you think?
Credit all to Timeshell,Regard.
geenee
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How an earth the pulse output of the 74122 should look? see att.
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In a simulation I have been able to prove that the gated pulse at resonance would actually charge a capacitor with a higher charge.
See attached image. There is a switch beside a relay that is being pulsed at 200hz. The resonant frequency of this circuit is 1.047khz. When the switch to activate the gate is off (closed), the max charge of the cap is about 50V. When the switch is opened, allowing it to gate, the cap charges to over 80V. The step up transformer is a 1:4 and the source voltage is 14V. Changing the duty cycle on the gate up to 90% increases the cap charge to up to 110V.
TS
Even further to this. If you decrease the impedance of the transformer from 900mh down to like 45mh, when gating, the cap voltage can reach >3kV!
TS
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In a simulation I have been able to prove that the gated pulse at resonance would actually charge a capacitor with a higher charge.
See attached image. There is a switch beside a relay that is being pulsed at 200hz. The resonant frequency of this circuit is 1.047khz. When the switch to activate the gate is off (closed), the max charge of the cap is about 50V. When the switch is opened, allowing it to gate, the cap charges to over 80V. The step up transformer is a 1:4 and the source voltage is 14V. Changing the duty cycle on the gate up to 90% increases the cap charge to up to 110V.
TS
Even further to this. If you decrease the impedance of the transformer from 900mh down to like 45mh, when gating, the cap voltage can reach >3kV!
TS
900mH-->45mH.why? bemf come from coils,more winds is more bemf?
thanks
geenee
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In a simulation I have been able to prove that the gated pulse at resonance would actually charge a capacitor with a higher charge.
See attached image. There is a switch beside a relay that is being pulsed at 200hz. The resonant frequency of this circuit is 1.047khz. When the switch to activate the gate is off (closed), the max charge of the cap is about 50V. When the switch is opened, allowing it to gate, the cap charges to over 80V. The step up transformer is a 1:4 and the source voltage is 14V. Changing the duty cycle on the gate up to 90% increases the cap charge to up to 110V.
TS
Even further to this. If you decrease the impedance of the transformer from 900mh down to like 45mh, when gating, the cap voltage can reach >3kV!
TS
900mH-->45mH.why? bemf come from coils,more winds is more bemf?
thanks
geenee
I presently cannot answer why. But in the simulation this holds as true. Try it.
TS
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Hi guys, i trying to understand what are you guys talking about, but i never understand..anythings
can you tell me in picture of the Frequency Generator, the most durability Gated Pulse Frequency Generator Schematic.
because i want to build 1, for my experiment.
thanks alot guys
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The schematic is on the first page of this thread.