who wants to earn 30,000 us dollars?

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It does appear that your reaction is consuming both the metal and the electrolyte.  Is it possible to just use water, with the oxygen producing alumina, thereby liberating the H?  Perhaps an under water arc would produce excess energy, from the H, since there's also the aluminium reaction.  If straight DC from a battery or capacitor won't do it, a plasma arc might.

edit:  Someone's using powdered al mixed into ice as rocket fuel.  As long as the mixture is frozen, it remains stable.  Then, the heat in the combustion chamber melts the ice, with the ensuing reaction producing Hydrogen exhaust.

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so, after 24 hours, the water is more clear again and the leftovers are sunk to the bottum.
Part of the alu is not on the testprobe anymore.
Ill gues thats what now on the bottum?

It makes this a very simple technic which can be applied easely.
Put a waterfilter and pump in the proces and a system that adds naoh or koh once in a while...
A feed of alu and of you go
Bingo!

300k a year bruto

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It does appear that your reaction is consuming both the metal and the electrolyte.  Is it possible to just use water, with the oxygen producing alumina, thereby liberating the H?  Perhaps an under water arc would produce excess energy, from the H, since there's also the aluminium reaction.  If straight DC from a battery or capacitor won't do it, a plasma arc might.

edit:  Someone's using powdered al mixed into ice as rocket fuel.  As long as the mixture is frozen, it remains stable.  Then, the heat in the combustion chamber melts the ice, with the ensuing reaction producing Hydrogen exhaust.

Thats very creative! Ice with alu...
I would go for simple filters and a waterreservoir full with mix water naoh....
Just renew the reactionchambers water once un a while

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 I´m using HCL and aluminum to generate H2 for filling balloons sometimes for the beer business..

My plan is to use this H2 to test with the generator i got last year... and perhaps being able to excite the gas somehow ...

How would you get 300k?

selling the energy?

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That's a good idea Steve, about adding a filtration system.  The waste alumina could be sold to the recycle company, to pay for the electrolyte and then some.

Where I live in the US, a kWh costs 11 cents and the utility company is required to buy co-generated energy.  They want $30,000 to extend the power lines out to my place, although I could buy another property which is on grid for the same amount, or less.  I think you're on to something.

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I´m using HCL and aluminum to generate H2 for filling balloons sometimes for the beer business..

My plan is to use this H2 to test with the generator i got last year... and perhaps being able to excite the gas somehow ...

How would you get 300k?

selling the energy?

Yes, Fabio. Just sell back to the grid.
In my country i pay 14 cents for 1kwh.
If i sell, then i get 7 cents......
How much kwh is your generator?
The bigger the better......meaning bigger are more efficient, as far as i can tell from my engine hho tests......

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That's a good idea Steve, about adding a filtration system.  The waste alumina could be sold to the recycle company, to pay for the electrolyte and then some.

Where I live in the US, a kWh costs 11 cents and the utility company is required to buy co-generated energy.  They want $30,000 to extend the power lines out to my place, although I could buy another property which is on grid for the same amount, or less.  I think you're on to something.

Tektrical, you name the left overs Alumina. Thats the restproduct of aluminium and oxygen.
I read that alumina can be melted back into aluminium?

Good luck with making decisions...30,000 usd is a lot of money.
Power cables are expensive as well, if you want to buy that other property, and extend the power to your current house.

I wanted to measure the pH during the tests, but i dont trust my ph meter anymore......

The whole reason, i started this topic is because of this product:
https://maynex.com/gallery/

I thought, i should be more then capable to create my own aluminium naoh/koh hydrogen generator.
I must say that this test run, surprised me positive.
The aluminium consumption and koh consumption is not very high, and the hydrogen H2 is good.
I need some time to think this idea thru, component wise....

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Alumina is refined back to aluminium by mixing it with creolite, melting the mixture at 1300 degrees Celsius, then electrolyzing it with six volts and 100,000 amps.  Wouldn't it be great if we could just apply some VIC pulses to the cell, to keep splitting the Oxygen out of the alumina?  Then the aluminium would only be like a catalyst.

Out here bare land is $1,500 for an acre and a half.  They won't set a power pole without a septic tank, so that's another $5,000.  Harbor Freight has a 7KW generator head for $300.  So seven of those would be $2,100.  So that's $8,600, plus the first couple of month's supply of fuel metal.  And the cost of assembly.  I have an extra vehicle with a strong engine to crank the generators, so the whole thing looks doable.