who wants to earn 30,000 us dollars?

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1500 for an acre? Thats insane cheap!  In which area are you?
2100 usd for 49kwh is also really good.
However, i know that those little motors are less efficient as one big one, with hydrogen....or hho

I'm 40 miles west of the Grand Canyon Skywalk, 45 miles north of Kingman, Arizona.  (That puts me 50 miles from the grocery store).

The generators I'm looking at are just the heads - they don't have motors.  So they'd have to be ganged, to be driven by a car engine.  Like the YouTube video of the motorcycle with 13 chain saw motors.  I'm going to contact the power company about the co-generation situation.  Some utilitys will subsidise the installation, up to 40% in one case.

And I'm leaning towards a mechanical approach.  Spinning a drum against tightly stretched brass wires is similar to the system which was shown many years ago as being capable of producing enough hydrogen to run a car.  I don't remember if that article mentioned electrolyte, or if any will be needed.

It looks like that you live in a very nice, but remote area 
Very nice!
Are solarpanels part of your current powersupply?

If you have any info on the drum spinning with brass wires, then please share. I am very curious.
I will try here to create a hydrogen candle setup with my filter and pump ideas....

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I do have a couple of solar panels.  The regular panel for the bus somehow got a bullet hole in it, but, even with a completely shattered cover glass, it still runs the room light for at least two days, if I forget to charge the battery.  The cheap plastic panel keeps the motor home brightly lit all night, front and back.  But it takes a long time to recharge the battery.  It's usually sometime in the afternoon before I can plug in the little inverter, to power my Dremel tool or NST.  The price of panels on EBay is down to $84, so I may order one or two more.

Good luck with your hydrogen candle.  Try making a plasma diode, with a neo magnet for one electrode and a needle point for the other.  At one percent of the cost of a fuel cell, the plasma diode might be better than trying to run a car engine 24/7 for a few years.

And I'm thinking about a water Fusor.  Like Stan's spherical cavity, but with the positive pulses going to the shell, using pulses with increasing frequency and decreasing amplitude.  More than a hundred people have built working Fusors.  At 80 to 100 kW output power, no one has figured out how to extract the energy, which ends up melting the inner grid.  So if water molecules are shot through the hot spot, maybe the heat will split them?

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The only information I have about the friction errosion electrolysis is what I remember reading back then.  He was scraping an aluminum wire across a copper rod.  Further details will come from experimenting.  I currently have a number of stiff bronze wires, around #16AWG, which are a couple of feet long.  I can cut them down and lay them out, to make a strap 4" wide.  I think the strap should have a slight angle across the outside of the drum, to ensure complete coverage.  These wires look like thin, nonfluxed brazing rods.  About the same diameter as the EDM cutting wires on those spools, although that wire is softer and easier to bend.

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Steve, aluminum can be used to generate electricity while it decomposes.. you just need two electrodes within the naoh solution... a copper electrode will give 1.1v if i remember well or 0.7 with alluminum...

this energy can drive other electrolysis cells or generate heat to convert the alluminum back to metal liberating oxigen on site...

of course you will end up with more than you can convert back but would extend the operation at least 100 % i guess

the current will be dependent on the aluminum piece size and copper... only alluminum will be consumed... however the water will turn blue after a while due to some copper dillution...

i tested this back in 2008 it was one  of my eureka moments i even dreamed about it one year before...

i guess to run a fixed generator wont be much difficult...

i have here now a 2.5kw generator gasoline... i want to test with some kilos of alluminum scrap i have here ... i got the generator last year but bad time with money to keep things going for now... i´m trying to get back working with film making that use to give me more conditions to spend money in this... the beer business demanded too much from me now fun but not very healthy this days for me ...  i have a pangastrite now...

Here you can sell the energy back to the company but they only seem to give credits not real money in exchange...

did you measure how much water you convert per killo of alluminum?

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so much i didnt know of...
I am stunt.
I will have soon my test bucket with vacuum lid.
The bucket is from 316 steel.
You think i can use that to extract the freed electrons?
Ss and alu and naoh...

Tektrical....Whats the purpose of the plasma diode you talked about?

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How much watts does such a two electrode setup produce?

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man i used a small heat dissipator as test and a big chunk of copper bare wire.. . all inside a plexyglass with about 3 liter of solution...

it gave up to 1 amp or 2 dc  if i remember well so having many buckets can be connected in series and perhaps make a induction heating device to regenerate the aluminum... if we put aluminum oxide in molten aluminum will it convert or the temperature must be higher?

one thing that was interesting is that it works like a capacitor because if you charge it with same polarity (higher voltage) it will be able to light a led for a couple of minutes...

i dont know if you remember we talked about it by the end of 2008 start of 2009

this is most i can remember

from there i never tried it again on big scale but is a very good idea

i guess you could use the ss but the alluminum wont be in contact with the ss or it will corrode.. you need it to corrode relative to a metal that has the higher potential possible without being decomposed in the reaction..

i believe coper is a good start but we may find better ones..  just look the electric series..

there is some metals that work better perhaps also in the efficiency of capturing the electricity..

what happens is that when aluminum oxidizes it will left an electron free in the metal to move if there is a potential to the electron flow and discharge in a counter ion on the other side it will simply go there...

so on the other side there is going to be a reduction reaction or for sake the metal will have to exchange electrons with the water and in this process it may also be decomposed.. or depending on the metal it may not..

however from what i see the copper would last a lot longer so only aluminum needs to be replaced

ideally the aluminum should be used in a manner to allow to use its electricity up to the end...

we need to test it!

i would make a closed container that capable of holding pressure but you need a hole with a valve on the low part to be able to extract the liquid or to lower the liquid level below the aluminum pieces when you want to stop the production of the gas also a pressure indicator would be nice...

depending on the size of your buckets and how many you could do a kw dc source if you want! perhaps with 15 big buckets you get 10v 100amps

one thing i never tried was to resonate a capacitor of this kind... one thing about it is what if we could make this kind of electrochemical capacitor discharge the free electrons and holes instead of the displaced electrons from the charging it would be working as generator,...

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update:
I got my stuff for my next test on this.
Its simple, but good enough to see if i can filter the water, if i can use a second copper electrode so i can directly create electricity (battery)
etc etc...

Cheers!