Not sure if the you commented me adriantek i´m no judge i was just telling you how i feel about stan... TGS has his belief and i have mines... i´m just trying to make of this relationship the better it can be..
TGS i will do some scope shots to show you.. but i will ask one more time what is your noise level pulsing the differential probe both leads at 1kv amplitude and maybe at 10khz... just to know if how much noise i get is normal... i get more than 200v on the 2000x noise in that condition for me its not going to help anyway... i did a cage to shield and try get the right measurements.. how about you?
how you put 10kv there and get no interference?
TGS you talk about using this equipment but its error is essential to know what you did, in the scientific world if you give me a measurement and not the precision of your measurement it is totally not useable... To get a real measurements you must make tables and include the propagation of the errors and all...
so i ask once again what is your precision? at least noise level? so we know we can compare apples to apples like you say.
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I already told you I don't have any noise problems with the differential probes that I use as they are working perfectly for me. I don't talk about percent error on forms like these as the people on these forums simply aren't up for that level of science. Most of the time I am within plus or minus 3% with anything that I do and the differential probes I have are all plus or minus 2% so the numbers I show and/or talk about are good.
When it comes to the things I build most of the time I am within plus or minus 0.002% inches. On the exciter array the space gap between the resonant cavities are within plus or minus 0.0005 inches. I take great care to build things or have them made to some very high standards.
In forums like these what is needed most is some form of standardization as we have too many people running about comparing apples to oranges and oranges to melons there is no standardization to be found here. People don't even have the right equipment to view this technology correctly and they tend to also force what they believe onto their experiments instead of listening to what their experiments are trying to teach or show them. Mostly they don't like hooking up the leads to the capacitor as it will show some really low voltages being applied to their water fuel capacitors and they don't want to be made fun of like they like to make fun of everyone else so they cheat and put the probes someplace else where they can see some high voltage. All this cheating really does is hold their work back as they aren't being honest with themselves nor are they being honest with the group as they are in full competition mode and and when someone like me comes around and shows 8.8kv being applied to a water fuel capacitor and if they hook up their probes to the same place are only getting 5-12 volts to their cells they get mad.
They don't ask how did I do it, what am I doing differently than what they are doing, and thus far have been totally rude and demanding towards me and some even racist. I remember Russ finally reaching 1kv and the crowd when mad but then I said to myself, "Wait a minute, I showed over 4kv more than a year before he reached 1kv and all I got was childish behavior, disdain, envy, and a bunch of smack talk for my doing so." I showed scope shots of 8.8kv being applied to the exciter array and again all I get is the worse people have to offer as it seems no one has anything good to say.
Massive and I uncovered the science behind the patents and it was completely ignored in this forum. I don't have much hope for these Open Source forums as they are not about sharing, learning, and comparing each others work but all about competition and ego worship constantly looking for pats on the back, and putting down anyone's work that seems to be getting far better results than they are getting.
Look at all the examples I give of Meyer telling us how the technology works and they just turn around and attack the messenger. I post what the electrical polarization process is in Meyer's own words and they still attack the messenger. I show Meyer himself telling us he is ionizing the atoms that make up the water molecules to break the bonds of the water molecules and again they attack the messenger. Are you seeing a pattern here as I know I sure am. From what I can see they simply do not want this technology despite saying that they do. They aren't willing to perform experiments, get the right tools for the job, or do anything in a standardized way.
What makes me qualified to be a judge they ask?, and the answer is "experience" as I have been there and done that. Right away I got the right tools for the job so that I could see just what was being applied to the water fuel capacitor. I didn't argue with the tools but just used them so I could observe the experiments and ask questions on what I was observing in real time. I set up a laboratory note book so that I could write what I was observing down and ask and answer questions about those notes of my observations. I used engineering principles when designing things so that I could improve things if I found a problem(s) that warranted a total redesign. I have a lot of experience with this technology and finally I have the science behind the technology.
