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Re: Step Charge Waveform (scope pictures)- am i on the right way?
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2015, 13:25:18 pm »
Meyer said a lot of contradict.

This KV voltage are on the coils only.

Look at the dune buggy transformer; Did it release some kilovolts to a diode that supports only 600v?

I dont think so!

Put the scope probes over the coils, or simulate on Multisim and get a measurement.

If (I am not saying exactly it is) all coils sharing the same core, the two chokes become part of secondary, based on Tony Woodside and Dynodon  measurements of inductance ratio relative to primary coil, you can see the maximum this transformer produces with load is 250V.

Check it by yourself.

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Re: Step Charge Waveform (scope pictures)- am i on the right way?
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2015, 14:26:30 pm »
Hello xBlade  i can generate 10kv and up pulses dc with that diode without letting it burn... i know that because i can draw a huge arc and only one side of the arc gets hot! meaning only one side is receiving electrons to heat up...

the reason why it don't burn is that the chokes and secondary plays different roles..

the choke coil don't let current to reverse or even change so fast so the diode wont see the peak reversal voltage of the secondary...

look how a microwave diode works and put a coil in series with it and you will understand what i mean..

it allows a capacitor to be charged positively from ground potential making that when the secondary reverts the capacitor and coil sum potentials to negative kv range and forces the electrons thru the magnetron... this diode act as a blocking diode...


The cooking place of the microwave oven is a resonant cavity (i mean where you put the food)



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Re: Step Charge Waveform (scope pictures)- am i on the right way?
« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2015, 14:56:08 pm »
Thank you  sebosfato.

I read some topics you wrote and it makes a lot of sense to me.

And im glad to see you are brazilian, im from Portugal. It can be easy to contact you and exchange some point of view.

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Re: Step Charge Waveform (scope pictures)- am i on the right way?
« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2015, 15:03:29 pm »
TGS is trying to charge it with a very large high voltage transformer, this is the point we disagree (and other questions).

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« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2015, 15:22:56 pm »
Cool X blade... good to see someone portugues on this too!

i´m trying to find how it works man we are all trying and we may do it if we are in the right mood!

I glad you could see some that i wrote and that it makes sense to you.

I agree with the fact that meyer gave lot of contradiction for us to work with, but i went to university to try reach his knowledge base so i could understand what he was talking about..

almost 9,5 years of work, and most here also from the same time or so... i believe this is because the internet boom after the year 2005 and so people like us could know the existing Stanley meyer story! Some were already educated in the field of sciences and wasn't ready to learn more and left it go... others still keep strong and don't let it go. Also some have less knowledge but a so big heart and will to learn that it compensates it. I´m saying that no one is better than me and i´m not better than anyone here... for me i respect all the efforts of all the people evenly as i want to get peoples respect when is my time..  Of course some people need or deserve a little more attention as they claim to have theories and show some of their excellent very beautiful work like many did  and so my action is to be here and listen and learn what i can just the same. I also have my theories which i tried to silently public release but i got no much answers on it.

For example one of my theories tell me that the cell should charge to make alignment of molecules and than the potential must be simply reversed fast enough to allow the reverse polarization of the electronic clouds of the atoms turning off the covalent bound!
...this is the explanation of meyer in the newzealad... the oxygen become negative and repel the covalent electron...hydrogen gets positive and attract the electron...
 
it only makes it worst to live without
so lets talking about it


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Re: Step Charge Waveform (scope pictures)- am i on the right way?
« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2015, 19:47:14 pm »
TGS is trying to charge it with a very large high voltage transformer, this is the point we disagree (and other questions).

Wrong again! Since I stop sharing my work after the responses I got from showing high voltage being placed on the water fuel capacitor for the very first time were asking nothing and only aimed at trying to tell me I was doing it all wrong. People went into a frenzy trying to tell everyone that I was doing thing the wrong way and that Meyer had lied to us. You see before this no one had ever figured out how to place a high voltage potential on the plates of the exciter array. This showed that Meyer was in fact telling us the truth as it was possible to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array just as he tells us he was doing. But instead of questions on how did I accomplish this all I got was ridicule and disdain.

I ask very clearly for anyone working on this technology to show results of getting just 1 LPM or more of gas production and I don't see any videos, why is that? I showed you my video of me getting more that 1 LPM of gas production using pure distilled water with no type of acid, base, or salt being added to the water, and no, I did not coat any of the electrodes with something as they are in direct contact with the water in these videos. Surely after all of this smack talk someone can show a video of them getting at least 1 LPM using Meyer's technology can't they?

(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/FIGURE7-1.png)

The leads of the differential probe is to be placed on the water fuel capacitor as the voltage must make it to the load. The positive probe lead goes to 66/E9 and the negative probe lead goes to 67/E10. If your voltage doesn't make it too the load how are you going to ionize anything? This is an easy question to answer taking a look at other parts of Stanley Meyer's work like the Gas Processor as it uses the same coil set up to ionize the gas atoms or are you going to say Meyer figured out a way to ionize the air breaking the bonds of the oxygen molecules, which are the targeted molecules he wants to break down, without the need for high voltage? You see the rules for ionization don't change using electricity to go about ionizing atoms. If you are going to ionize atoms using electricity you must place a high voltage potential difference on the targeted atoms. These rules don't change as that is the way ionization works when using electricity to ionize things so you must get the voltage to the target and somehow you all forgot what the target is. The target is the atoms that make up the water molecules, IE, the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. That's the target for ionization and if you are not getting the voltage to the target how are you to go about ionizing these atoms to facilitate breaking the bonds of the water molecules as Meyer tells us he is doing with the Electrical Polarization Process?

The voltage intensifier circuit is designed to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the water fuel capacitor while restricting the flow of amps into the milli amp range, isn't that what Meyer says? So, when I show you my results of doing exactly that why don't any of you want to learn how to do it too is my question? Yeah, you pointed out that the VIC transformers I showed in use at the 2013 Global BEM wouldn't work on the exciter array and I tell you know that was a very expensive lesson to learn, but I did learn that lesson as I am not afraid to fail for I understand we learn most from our failures. My setup now looks similar to this but is more compact and refined as my re-design of Meyer's technology can be carried by one man without much trouble at all:

(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/VIC_ResonantCavity_Units.jpg)

You see I am placing a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array to go about performing the Electrical Polarization Process just as Meyer describes in his patents and many lecture videos. I got the voltage to the target for I never got so lost as to forget that the targets are the atoms that make up the water molecules. But as I stated I have a little bit more voltage to go before I reach the benchmark Meyer states that is needed to be reached of 1kv per resonant cavity as currently I am at 930-940 volts which close but no dice. With the new design I am working on right now I should be able to reach and surpass this benchmark Meyer's says it needed to make the technology work correctly. Now if anyone still thinks high voltage isn't the way to go to go about the Electrical Polarization Process then you need to listen to the New Zealand video again as Meyer clearly states if someone places a high voltage on the water molecules they have violated my patent rights.

Well, I have to get back to building this new setup as it isn't going to build itself.
Take care all,
TGS

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Re: Step Charge Waveform (scope pictures)- am i on the right way?
« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2015, 19:52:49 pm »
TGS is trying to charge it with a very large high voltage transformer, this is the point we disagree (and other questions).

Wrong again! Since I stop sharing my work after the responses I got from showing high voltage being placed on the water fuel capacitor for the very first time were asking nothing and only aimed at trying to tell me I was doing it all wrong. People went into a frenzy trying to tell everyone that I was doing thing the wrong way and that Meyer had lied to us. You see before this no one had ever figured out how to place a high voltage potential on the plates of the exciter array. This showed that Meyer was in fact telling us the truth as it was possible to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array just as he tells us he was doing. But instead of questions on how did I accomplish this all I got was ridicule and disdain.

I ask very clearly for anyone working on this technology to show results of getting just 1 LPM or more of gas production and I don't see any videos, why is that? I showed you my video of me getting more that 1 LPM of gas production using pure distilled water with no type of acid, base, or salt being added to the water, and no, I did not coat any of the electrodes with something as they are in direct contact with the water in these videos. Surely after all of this smack talk someone can show a video of them getting at least 1 LPM using Meyer's technology can't they?

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/FIGURE7-1.png

The leads of the differential probe is to be placed on the water fuel capacitor as the voltage must make it to the load. The positive probe lead goes to 66/E9 and the negative probe lead goes to 67/E10. If your voltage doesn't make it too the load how are you going to ionize anything? This is an easy question to answer taking a look at other parts of Stanley Meyer's work like the Gas Processor as it uses the same coil set up to ionize the gas atoms or are you going to say Meyer figured out a way to ionize the air breaking the bonds of the oxygen molecules, which are the targeted molecules he wants to break down, without the need for high voltage? You see the rules for ionization don't change using electricity to go about ionizing atoms. If you are going to ionize atoms using electricity you must place a high voltage potential difference on the targeted atoms. These rules don't change as that is the way ionization works when using electricity to ionize things so you must get the voltage to the target and somehow you all forgot what the target is. The target is the atoms that make up the water molecules, IE, the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. That's the target for ionization and if you are not getting the voltage to the target how are you to go about ionizing these atoms to facilitate breaking the bonds of the water molecules as Meyer tells us he is doing with the Electrical Polarization Process?

The voltage intensifier circuit is designed to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the water fuel capacitor while restricting the flow of amps into the milli amp range, isn't that what Meyer says? So, when I show you my results of doing exactly that why don't any of you want to learn how to do it too is my question? Yeah, you pointed out that the VIC transformers I showed in use at the 2013 Global BEM wouldn't work on the exciter array and I tell you know that was a very expensive lesson to learn, but I did learn that lesson as I am not afraid to fail for I understand we learn most from our failures. My setup now looks similar to this but is more compact and refined as my re-design of Meyer's technology can be carried by one man without much trouble at all:

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/VIC_ResonantCavity_Units.jpg

You see I am placing a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array to go about performing the Electrical Polarization Process just as Meyer describes in his patents and many lecture videos. I got the voltage to the target for I never got so lost as to forget that the targets are the atoms that make up the water molecules. But as I stated I have a little bit more voltage to go before I reach the benchmark Meyer states that is needed to be reached of 1kv per resonant cavity as currently I am at 930-940 volts which close but no dice. With the new design I am working on right now I should be able to reach and surpass this benchmark Meyer's says it needed to make the technology work correctly. Now if anyone still thinks high voltage isn't the way to go to go about the Electrical Polarization Process then you need to listen to the New Zealand video again as Meyer clearly states if someone places a high voltage on the water molecules they have violated my patent rights.

Well, I have to get back to building this new setup as it isn't going to build itself.
Take care all,
TGS

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Re: Step Charge Waveform (scope pictures)- am i on the right way?
« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2015, 21:38:37 pm »
I agree with that TGS , meyer said exactly that!

thats what i´m trying to do i think,,,

when you get your both probes leads connected to the same point in the circuit there should not be any signal... but anyway there is a noise... if you get 1000v from cell to ground and place both leads at the 1000v pulsing how much noise you get on the differential signal?

i have something real not good to work with... thats why i shield my cell trying to get rid of it.. did your is shielded like mine?