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IonizationX Stall Point...
« on: March 21, 2010, 04:14:52 am »
This forum is stalled at just under 300 members, Public forum is recommended.

I think you should let the newbies in freely, and let the memberlist grow, Then again its you thats dealing with the Spam. I don't see such big problems on other open forums. Just my suggestion.

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Re: IonizationX Stall Point...
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2010, 11:00:03 am »
This forum is stalled at just under 300 members, Public forum is recommended.

I think you should let the newbies in freely, and let the memberlist grow, Then again its you thats dealing with the Spam. I don't see such big problems on other open forums. Just my suggestion.

Everybody is free to join in here. You just have to register. Thats all.
Its all automated.

The real question is why so many members do not publish at the moment.
Still waiting on some results from some of them.... ;)

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Re: IonizationX Stall Point...
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2010, 13:40:31 pm »
Nothing to achieve really. Even people who devote their life to this don't progress (waterforfuel.com etc.) and people who may have something (warp?) don't publish in the way necessary to replicate it.
The only important thing is the overunity electrolysis, the other parts may require much work but aren't the problem.
I have lost the belief that stanley meyer's electrolysis is either real or overunity.

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Re: IonizationX Stall Point...
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2010, 17:04:11 pm »

I agree there is a stall point, and a number of issues with the situation in general.

Is anyone interested in revolutionizing this place? There is a lot of talent, with a little organization this forum could be much better.

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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2010, 20:22:00 pm »
Nothing to achieve really. Even people who devote their life to this don't progress (waterforfuel.com etc.) and people who may have something (warp?) don't publish in the way necessary to replicate it.
The only important thing is the overunity electrolysis, the other parts may require much work but aren't the problem.
I have lost the belief that stanley meyer's electrolysis is either real or overunity.

Stan had 2 setups, One overunity one not. In his boiler plate configeration I know he created 3 phase to run his series cell, The thing is he had a bogus claim of overuntiy etc,,,,.

Hear this Haith, and think on it a bit.

A heat pump can use about (3000 watts) from the power source,, (your breaker box.)
This means you are getting from your breaker Box (10236) Btu's.
To further give you a tool, 1 watt is equal to 3.412 Btu's, Or vice versa.

Now, you have a Heat Pump (Consuming) 3k watts, OR, 10236 Btu's.
Your heat pump is 2.5 tons, It Produces 30,000 Btu's of Heat!

Now, How is it you can take 3k Btu's and simply convert it into 30,000 Btu's? Sounds impossible does it!?
If you or I invented it, we would think it was overunity wouldn't we. When you place this question to an expert in the field you are clearly taught that it is not overunity, It simply transfers the heat from the outside air into the home using heat exchangers. At 1 degree outside, There is heat in the air, and that heat can be brought in.

Much like stan, He has chosen to Claim an overunity device, But it is not. If you can Compare what stan was saying to the above, you might be able to figure out more on the process. It is improperly understood.

We all know we can do things with atoms, we use voltage potential every day, and we simply overlook the fact that most of todays setups mimic stans. For example the microwave oven heats food by way of "Push Pull Motions" on the water molecule. We use lasers, Fluresent lighting, Air ionizers Lifters and all sorts of things I cant name off. All these things basically alter the atoms. We can not figure out how to alter the atom the way we want to alter it, So its making people give up.

Peaply simply do not think, They simply do not understand the process.

(It is By No Way A Miracle to use voltage to deconstruct the water molecule.)


I will say what is always overlooked.

(If you put a DC voltage across a (Molecule) that molecules Bond will be (Stronger))
Opposites attract as you know already, So by giving them a charge vic, (They're more opposite in greater power.)

To understand the vic, And how to pull the water apart with voltage you must first understand that giving the atom a Dc charge is just to get the (Molecules) voltage up to a level to where it is so great, (you can then apply your attack.)  When stan states the voltage across the water will go up to infinity,,, he means he can charge those MOLECULES with a POLARITY.

The greater the charge on those Molecules, (The Greater the bond.) The greater the force. If you increase a Force on such molecule, How do you use this force against the molecule. Wala, seperation.

I use to admit, stan was a joke. But the more I start to understand the atom, and Realize that the Heat pump is much like stans design then see microwaves and all this other stuff,,, This device will one day work! It may not be on the overunity level because it will be layed out and labeled with a reason for its workings, (JUST LIKE THE HEAT PUMP.)

I sent Dynoden my stuff which puts this voltage across any water, (I sent him a start.) If he fails to see the Point of the setup, (This will be bad.) In the setup I sent to him it charges the molecule to thousands of voltages, Perhaps infinity with a better setup.

The voltage across the water should be realized, Dynoden should not rely on his meters and write it off as a Faulty setup. (To light a Lamp) --- (In Parallel) with (9 Tubes in Parallel) the Molecule has clearly tooken a charge. - (Do not deny this) Now the water is(Charged) with a (Greater Bond.) These are the first steps in understanding stan.

Now you understand (A high charge) Makes the bond greater, Not weaker. The high charge of the molecule shall now be (Attacked.) This may mean Flipping the polarity, (Remember the Pulse Train.)

If you had a Tool to measure the Bonding Fields of the water molecule, And you probed the field of this molecule before altered you could write down its field power. If you then use the setup I sent dynoden, when tuned right, Then re measured the Field of the molecule you would see a greater field strength, and a greater bond. You would learn by this that you made the bond of that molecule Stronger. This would leave you thinking,,, Giving the molecule a Charge like stan says to do makes the bond Greater, It does not make it seperate, It makes it even more impossible to seperate. Then you realize, you can flip the polarity, that you give it a charge just so you could use it to pull the molecule apart. I can't explain this anymore/anybetter, it is up to you to understand this process.

The setup I sent dynoden sends a high voltage across the water, (As I shows on youtube.) There is No arguing the light in parallel with the 9 tubes that are also in parallel lighing the lamp, It is a high voltage lamp. The setup dynodon has, it only charges the molecule, it does not ripp it apart, its used to greater the bond fields, Now people should understand what dynoden has, understand this setup and what its doing,, and finish it.  We were taught by stan, The right Freq pulls the water apart.

(Thats Not true) You sit the molecule up for attact, then you attact it, Frequency doesn't matter.

A high charged Molecule when applied to 2 voltage fields, when switched around, the water molecule could pull apart due to the voltage fields. Worry less about the freq, and more on how to attack.
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Re: IonizationX Stall Point...
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2010, 21:11:17 pm »
Very nice read warp .

Prepare THEN attack .

Dont mix up both , both are different processes .




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Re: IonizationX Stall Point...
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2010, 22:43:02 pm »
Thanks for the reply Warp. Although i do understand the essence of the first part of your text i'm having difficulties with the second part. You suggest a rapid voltage change in direction (alternating voltage) to rip the water molecule apart, is that right? Isn't that against Meyers documents? And if you call Meyer a joke, why bother to investigate further if the impulse in doing research was his work?

Being half-way through my ee bachelor and reading some of Meyer's documents it comes to my mind that it probably isn't any more than an ordinary capacitor with polarisation (as he essentially says and calls it 'electrical polarization process').
There's electron-polarisation happening which moves the nucleus around in the electrical field. Note that in a pure electrical alternating field no thermal energy is 'created'. There's also displacement-polarisation in water, because the dipoles will align in an electrostatic field. Now either of this things [or others] COULD happen:
1. dielectric breakdown of water, the electrical charge on the capacitor walls (stainless steel) is nullified as current through the water, ordinary electrolysis. however the displacement currents would have to be smaller than the freed breakdown-current if it was overunity.
2. no dielectric breakdown must occur. the rapid changing state of molecules (polarised -> alignment; no voltage -> back to statistical equillibrium) in the electrical field without electrons going through the water (amp inhibiting) leads to a force which exceed the nuclear forces. while i think this is very unlikely it's the theory according to Stan Meyer.
However this all is only interesting under the assumption that he indeed got it to work as many documents and media coverage suggest.
While on the other hand numerous experiments from people on this and other forums suggest the opposite.

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Re: IonizationX Stall Point...
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2010, 06:33:55 am »

While on the other hand numerous experiments from people on this and other forums suggest the opposite.




A. Fluorescent lights bulbs need from 750 volts to over 10,000 volts. They step up the voltage from 120 volts to over 750 volts. Some fluorescent fixtures won't reliably start without a ground. But for purposes of a test, it's usually good enough to grab the metal shell with your hands to provide enough grounding.

Taken From; http://www.doityourself.com/stry/fluorescentqna1
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xueNufRDBw
Lamp In parallel with (Tap Water) Clearly demonstrates  (Voltage Performing work.)
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How many (People) have you seen provide such voltages across tap water, And yet, Did they try to (Tamper) or (Alter) the applied voltage.

How many People can manage a (Voltage ("Only") Potential) Without current flow threw tap water? Show me the forum or site links where this is being done!

Show me where they're trying to figure out why the (Voltage Potential) - (Voltage Fields) isn't working! There is a place on the internet where people have such voltages across their cells correct? I mean to light a very high voltage fluresent ("lamp connected in parallel") with (NINE) Tubes ("Also in parallel") with ordanary tap water.

This is why I sent dynoden the tools, So he could see that it worked and reply back so people like you would realize that the trick to gaining such voltage potential across (Tap water) is in the (Core.)

When it is realized that the (water molecule) is being charged to (Infinity if the electronics would allow it) But to over 10k 4 sure, you quickly realize something is missing, You quickly realize opposites attract and alike repel. It becomes All to clear what you've done to the water molecule, And it becomes clear how to solve the (Potential) problem, Meaning you just realized that the higher the (Potential) the water took on, the greater you made that bond. Clearly voltage performed work and made the molecules bond greater, Clearly now it has to be pulled apart.

Clearly, Very clearly,, opposites attract and alike repel, Clearly,

Very, ;

Very,,,, ;

Clearly.....


Electrons are being plucked off during this process.

Clearly,,, Very clearly,,,, The microwave oven is NO JOKE so then

Clearly,, Very Clearly,,,, The Meyers Vic is also No Joke!

In a kind way, where is such people applying such voltages across this molecule? Why are you guy's with the PWM and fuel cells not ((((((Looking for this choke core))))))

again,, 1 more time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xueNufRDBw
(You try it.)

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Anyways,, Just making a point, Not directed Toward you at all haithar,,, Its just that everyone spends all this time trying to learn how to apply voltage potential across ordnary tap water,,, But yet when you give them instructions on how to do so, ("You're Ignored!") And at that, you supply (Proof) and the people seem to think its easy. (The should try and see,) then maybe they'd realize exactly what (They're missing out on!)

I would also like to add;;;;

I own 2 companys, I am really really busy starting my second (HVAC) company. I also spend allot of time with my family. By no way (Do I even care one (1) - (Smit) about any amount of (Fame.) As far as I'm concerned, I do not have the time for this testing and reasearch anymore, (I am trying to get my last words in, Get someones attention) because after too long, (I want even have time to visit the forum like i am visitying it (Today).)

The thing that worrys me, when the (directions) is right in front of your face, (Nobody follows them.)

Why does everyone overlook the fact that voltage potential has been applied across tap water? Why doesn't someone Better it (and share?) Youd think there would be (People) jumping all over this, Yet,,,

Nobody wants the damn voltage across their water, (The want current flow) or else (they would be looking for this core like I recommended them to.)

Again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xueNufRDBw