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Stanley Meyer => General Stan Meyer topics => Topic started by: TGS on October 01, 2015, 00:43:12 am
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Aarons theory is driven by nitrogen theory . I put forward the question , "was nitrogen the basis of Horvath , Puharich and other hydrogen inventions ?" bang I got banned!!
he sells a book which is based on nothing , he has 2 sites where no one dares question Aarons nitrogen theory and in fact, people dont seem to post at all on "water for fuel"
http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/
http://www.energyscienceforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=47
I would encourage anyone to go on those forums and put forward theories opposed to Aarons and question his theory aswell as his MODEL , good luck you will find out
Ps: sorry for off topic
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TGS i challenge you to show Bubbles of your cell, measurements of scope and ammeter,
Let's prove "THE ONLY MAN IN THE WORLD THAT UNDESTANDS MEYER WORK" theory.
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Lets see TGS, is this your video?
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Show proof of your work before you theorize.
As i saw in some forum there is a phrase like this:
"Theorizers are like high voltage: only produces hot air and death"
There was something close to that, dont remember exactly...
Stop the "blah blah blah" and prove is that way.
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I saw some videos of Russ i really apreciated his effort but i still thing that he doesnt know what he is doing.
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It still amazes me , the level of agression that comes out of people on free energy type forums , energetic forum being typical.
It is already inside people , theres something more to this existance than what ,we are more or less forceably told/taught.
We have ALL seen a guy drive a car on water , NONE of us were there to witness it . We ALL want to know HOW?
its fundamental Human make up , monkey see monkey do.
Im interested in what people have to say simply because of the level of controlled kaos in the commercial world that we all live in
why not give TGS room to do what ever the hell he wants to do , agree or disagree
elektrotek has some interesting thoughts which are well worth paying attention to , he isnt only on this forum .
how about give him some room too , you might be surprised.
Ive never met anyone on this forum I probably never will , so nothing can possibly be on a personal level , I certainly wont resort to ripping into anyone. what for? theres no pay off . ZERO!
who knows maybe it was a good tactic of forum owner to start this thread to get it all out and let it burn itself out
.......and hopefully delete!
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For the Nitrogen guy.
US 4389981 A
In my co-pending patent application filed May 5, 1981, U.S. Ser. No. 262,744 now abandoned for Hydrogen-Airdation Processor, non-volatile and non-combustible gasses are controlled in a mixing stage with a volatile gas. The hydrogen airdation processor system utilizes a rotational mechanical gas displacement system to transfer, meter, mix, and pressurize the various gasses. In the gas transformation process, ambient air is passed through an open flame gas-burner system to eliminate gasses and other present substances. Thereafter the non-combustible gas-mixture is cooled, filtered for impurity removal, and mechanically mixed with a pre-determined amount of hydrogen gas. There results a new synthetic gas. The synthetic gas formation stage also volume meters and determines the proper gas-mixing ratio for establishing the desired burn-rate of hydrogen gas. The rotational mechanical gas displacement system in that process determines the volume-amount of synthetic gas to be produced.
Ummm, I think Meyer was using Nitrogen!.
Puharich - His system was mainly based on thermodynamics. He used a Pizeoelectric/far infrared emitting ceramic. If you look closely at the device, the action (current) takes place across the bottom of the device where the ceramic is sandwiched between the cathode and anode it is Porous. The "bubbles" come out of the ceramic member next to the anode. Hence, he is resonating the micro cavities within the ceramic, with the aid of far IR weakening the hydrogen bonds. This raises the efficiency. (recycle the heat, weaken the bonds, shatter with frequency)
I do believe that Horvath is mentioned in the Puharich patent.
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Yea I think he did to :) ...he does say on a video to use 11% ...I cant remember which one and it'll take a while of watching over them all again to find it.
Something im having a hard time finding is some reading about ions and carbon...
Ive been listening to Steve's interviews again and thinking I want to know if carbon electrodes will work in a gas processor or EEC.
Im gonna go search around and see if something comes up.
Im not so interested in building an exact replication of Stans work, I really do want to understand the exact science tho .
I wish those guys that replicated Puharich's work would come here and talk a while :)
Im missing all those guys...Im missing Bob Boyce and James Robey a lot...James was a good guy and I don't blame him for anything wrong any more...if he's reading this I just want to apologize for getting upset over the interview with Herman and stuff .I wish he'd come here for at least a little while and bring us up to speed with his adventures and things.
I hear Mr.Boyce finished his power adventure but I cant find out how he's doing now or how his current adventure is going if he's still doing stuff....
Im starting a new job tomorrow and its night shift 6 nights a week unless it rains a lot so I hope to get something going soon.
Woodside's designing a new circuit and im looking forward to seeing that...
I still haven't finished my TSG circuit....I'll be doing something tho :)
I hope to help Seb out with some funds around Christmas time or sooner for that dern probe... or someone past that point help us get around it if its possible.
Itsa po boys dream i guess :)
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TGS a small questions to your "smart" brain and short reply with a few words will very apreciated :
1. Is this B+ and B- Aplied at exactly same time according to your experiences?
2. If it was, how can you explain your out of phase waveform ?
3. On a differential probe, i believe(I may not be correct if it works like differential OP amp), its expected that equal differences will output NULL instead.
4. Where you connect the two leads of probe?
5. Stan says Larger Cells will resonate on frequencies of 50khz or above, yesterday i got this strange waveform on my single-ended poor little probe:
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/wf.png)
It was near to 62.5khz (near to 60khz it appears and starts to grow). when i rise it a little bit some 2 or 3 khz it almost disapeared.
How do you explain that phenomena?
I will waiting your replies patiently.
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TGS have you ever look at the stan documents where he says there is 24 turns or 33?
he yes have chokes where there is less turns in the state you can see it
why
well i dont know exactly yet why but i have found a reson for it... so we people thinking and working and not just only copying have a hard time designing and thinking of thigs that will have a understandable result...
after all this years, getting in the university and learning and training how to think, why should i get blind and copy?
i rather prefere to develop my theories and test them... one will work one day maybe.. theres not so many possibilities of connection...
i wish stanley meyer was here to defend himself he would have laught over what we wrote about him and sure not feel like a lier...
when i suspect someone does not tell the true i´m not calling him a lier i just say that he has his reason to say that in that way and it may be mislead you .. this is called neuro programed language its very used to let you be convinced of something without even understand it ,.. like all this non scientists believe blindly in stan... its a feeling caused by the sequence of words he chose to explain this... and by the greed of the men
so lier is who say to have something and than dont have, this could be: a theory, a working cell, the only right theory...
who say that know something and dont knows for me is a basic lier
who say is doing a hard job and keep posting all day on internet is a gigantic lier
i could be a part of this
i know i would be a lier if i tell you that i´m physicist and my theory is correct and you should tried because i´m sure of it... right?
yes
etc...
until someone show a cell working and explain it for real there is no right way...
for me only thing that is important is to respect mina results and hope it has some explanation why it suposed to be working... ok?
and all.. .
Now Sebosfato your taking things personally. I merely am stating the facts given this information about the VIC's that ran Meyer's dune buggy:
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As you can see there are resistance readings and the size of the wires used. With this information one can calculate how many feet of wire is in the coils all of them. What makes this data good is it is from what was actually in Meyer's setup. This is the raw data from which we need to gain more understanding of Meyer's work.
You run around telling everyone that you are getting upwards of 50kv to your cell or have you forgotten making such statements before you got your differential probe? For Meyer tells us about the working conditions of the resonant cavities you are getting 4545 volts to each of your 11 resonant cavities which is 3545 volts over what Meyer tells us is the working conditions for a resonant cavity. So, either you are telling us a tall tale or Meyer is. Can you see the problem with making these grand claims yet?
Each time you make these grand claims you are over what Meyer says is to be the working voltages for the resonant cavities given they are built to the specs which Don Gable provided for us. I have simply had enough of these grand claims that make Meyer out to be a lair and make my work on all of this appear to be utterly useless. You think it was easy learning how to put a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array which, for your information, is the load of the system in the form of resistance, IE, Re? Then you get a differential probe and refuse to give us a true voltage reading at points D&E shown in this photo:
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I know you are getting a really low voltage at these points as I have been where you are already. But your pride is such that you would even pull apart your differential probe because you don't like the readings it is giving you instead of trying to figure out how to get more voltage to the load. I know it's hard with all of this false information going about on the internet with stupids at the RWG now claiming that you need zero volts at points D&E. But come on make sense of it as is that what Meyer says in the New Zealand video? No! So again somebody is lying. Sure they have a lot of nice looking paper weights but that doesn't mean much as the rules of science isn't going to change just for them. It takes high voltage to ionize atoms with electricity to get them to start losing their electrons. This fact of science isn't going to change and can't be ignored. Meyer repeatedly states the use of high voltage being used to pull apart the water molecules.
Once I realized this I went looking to see if any other molecules where being pulled apart by taking their electrons away from the atoms that made them up and guess what? I found a whole lot of them even water being pulled apart by way of ionization in nature. I even published a working theory on all of this with a few examples found in nature to show it's validity. It turns out this is taking place so much all around us that it is mind boggling that we never seen it before but we were blind to it as we never ask the right questions.
Like everyone here I have to learn how to build this technology correctly to be able to put high voltage to the load and I am getting close to what Meyer states are the working voltages for the resonant cavities being 1kv or more per resonant cavity. Don't be like a seagull running around swallowing up everything people with nice photos tell you as if they aren't following science then what they are trying to get you to eat is not good for you. What I am doing right now is learning how to get more voltage to the load so I can finally reach the benchmark Meyer sets for us with again is 1kv or more per resonant cavity.
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TGS I dont believe that Meyer really worked in a KV range, only at the coils, back EMF directed by the Diode,during the pulse off time. that produces high voltage spike at very high speed / low time.
The coils were wrapped in same direction, making part of the secondary transformer, and you can clearly see what happens with a coil in the same core in series with secondary windings with the same phase orientation... You can see it on TV flyback transformers (NOTE THAT: Stan didnt use it as flyback topology, but it work the same principle for all transformers).
Sum the 3 coils and you will see what i am talking about...
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TGS I dont believe that Meyer really worked in a KV range, only at the coils, back EMF directed by the Diode,during the pulse off time. that produces high voltage spike at very high speed / low time.
The coils were wrapped in same direction, making part of the secondary transformer, and you can clearly see what happens with a coil in the same core in series with secondary windings with the same phase orientation... You can see it on TV flyback transformers (NOTE THAT: Stan didnt use it as flyback topology, but it work the same principle for all transformers).
Sum the 3 coils and you will see what i am talking about...
You’re on the right track but you still have to get the right tools for the job at hand, IE, a differential probe. This one isn't all that costly and works well for our needs as it reads 5kv over the benchmark Meyer set for us: https://www.globalmediapro.com/dp/A2H108/Pintek-DP-15K-Differential-Probe-35MHz-15kV/ This way you can truly see what is being applied to your load. This is a video that lets you understand how these things work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDLWQFgJ1uU
The science behind this technology isn't going to change in that the atoms of the water molecules are the true targets for ionization. Getting the voltage to the load is the tricky part and trust me you are on the right track in your line of thinking but you must expand on it greatly. When I show high voltages being applied to the exciter array, which is the load, people like to be in competition with me instead of trying to work with me to get their setups getting the same voltages. They resort to telling us all lies to make themselves look like they are doing better than I am but fail to understand the claims they make put them way past the benchmark voltage given to us by Stanley Meyer himself and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell just who is telling a tall one.
I do what I can for them but for the most part they paint themselves into a corner which forces them to defend the claims they have made and until they come clean they can never truly get back to work as most of their time will be spent on defending or hiding the claims that they have made. I accept what the differential probe tells me and move to figure out better ways towards reaching the benchmark given to us by Meyer. I may understand the science behind it all but that still leaves me with the challenge of learning how to build it all correctly. Like you I understand these transformers don’t work like a typical transformer does as the jobs they are required to do are different from the typical transformers on the market today.
Just when I think I got my head around this something new is learned that requires a design change. Since funds are low like many of you these changes take time to be completed and put through a good round of testing. What made me stop sharing my work are all the non-stop negative comments to the work I have shown in the spirit of true Open Source. And the all-out rejection of the explanations given as to why it isn’t producing the gases at the level of what we expect it to produce based on what Meyer talks about in his many lecture videos and patent information. I remember answering a question on why it doesn’t produce the gases at the level in which eye witnesses describe the technology doing? And the answer is given in this analogy; If one hooks up an ozone generator to a variable voltage transformer how much ozone will it create at just 20 volts of input? The answer to this question is none as that voltage is below the ionization threshold for the oxygen atoms that make up the oxygen molecules. They didn’t like this simple analogy and they didn’t understand the science behind the technology at the time and many still don’t to this day.
So, as you can see there is not much I can do for them but move on and leave them behind and behind I have left them. When I talk about the science now it’s like I am coming out of left field from their perspective as they are still a long ways behind me in their understanding of this technology, and there is not much I can do about that.
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TGS there is a part that people dont understand.
"less than half an Amp".
This is not for the source of voltage, but over the secondary or whatever.
Some stupid people think that the dune buggy consumed about 7 to 12w per VIC and the proof is that amplitude control for the voltage works with a Lm317 (or LMx17 family) linear regulator that can easy handle 1A, coupled with 2n3055 NPN power transistor making a capable 4 to 6 Amp 2.5 to 12V Regulator, there is a reason why.
Power in = Power out
For example: 12vx5A=60W in a transformer VIC (in a ideal non realistic) at secondary it will deliver(for example) 100V @ 0.6A
or if someone interested 2KV @ 0.03A (30ma) using that primary @ 12Vx5A.
People, dont get illuded about the 0.5A 12V.
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It's more than that as they hear only what they want to hear and ignore all else. They will learn about transformer turn ratios and then do the math and come up with a 1:30 or higher turn ratio transformer not realizing that they have just planed to build and/or have built a "Glass Joe" transformer for as soon as they go to hook it up to a load the legs will drop out from underneath it. The simply skipped over the parts that talks about power factor and transformer losses.
They think that because on paper it says it will kick out 10kv with 50 volts input that it must be doing that even though it's not reading so on their test equipment. I have seen people build step up transformers with a turn ratio of 1:150 as that is what the math they worked out said must be the turn ratio of the transformer to reach these voltages they would like to get at points D&E. They have no idea that that supper "Glass Joe" transformer doesn't have enough power to push a fly let alone a Mack truck up a hill. They know enough to be dangerous and they prove this by putting down the good work of others with the work they have done mostly in their heads as they haven't bothered to build anything or if they have built something they lie to themselves about the results as on paper it says it will produce these voltages.
They make claims that confuse others as the claims they make are better than what the inventor Stanley Meyer says he did. Meyer says he put upwards of 20kv to a water fuel capacitor and these people go around telling people they put 50kv to the same type of water fuel capacitor. It's a sad thing to see as most just take their word to be good as gold and never ask them to show proof of what they are claiming. Their supporters even get mad at me for asking them to show the proof of what they are claiming. But this is a double edge sword as their lies also go to trap them in their made up worlds.
I use to be very open about my work but as time went on I found out that people truly get punished for their acts of kindness in today's world. I'd figure something out and share my results with the group and then someone else would take credit for it. This happened so many times that I have truly lost count as I managed to change the course of the river concerning this technology quite a few times, but you don't know about it as that information is never talked about with my name as someone else took the credit for it. It didn't take me long to see that people truly wanted me out of the way as soon as they thought they have learned enough from me to take the lead away from me. Did you know that the "Nitrogen Theory" was based on someone misinterpreting my work? Once they felt they knew enough they simply stabbed me in the back and took off with their newly stolen theories that they didn't understand all that well and ran with it.
I think everyone new should stop working on the water fuel capacitor and start with the air gas processor as it is far easier to ionize the atoms that make up the oxygen molecules than it is to get at the atoms that make up the water molecules as the air places a far less load on the transformers due to the fact that the air has a much higher resistance than water does. From this device they can start to learn how this technology actually works and once the have a handle on it can go back to the water fuel capacitor with a basic working knowledge of the technology. I remember trying to get people to take a look at the gas processor on this site and getting the boot for my efforts in trying to do so.
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The Gas Processor is a whole lot easier to understand than the water fuel capacitor and since Air has a dielectric value of one it isn't all that hard to do the math.
Getting tired, I might write some more on the topic a bit later.
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Now when it comes to this technology I think I have done a great job at explaining the science behind the patents as I haven't changed my tune one bit since the 2013 Global BEM. The treatment I have gotten for my work is nothing less than pathetic. I show my work and it's ridiculed, I show the science and someone that knows nothing comes in and tears it down and everyone takes their word when they have shown zero results and a lot of times they don't even have the needed test equipment in order to view this technology.
Now I have given up on people as even when I have taken the time to actually tell someone how this technology truly works they feel the need to publically take a crap on me as how it truly works is far from how they thought it worked. Now I will just go along with the company mission of getting this technology built for those that need it most as I feel I have done my part in Open Source even at times doing things that changed the course of the river. Open Source however has shown me nothing but disdain for the most part so it's now all about the new mission as the answers to questions I got from Open Source showed me that this isn't how the people are going to actually get this technology. Too much ego worship, lying, and competition, and not enough cooperation, work load sharing or sharing in general. People show up for pats on the back instead of the hard truth and trust me nothing will be gained like that.
I show waveforms' that show high voltage being applied to the load and not only do people not want to talk about it they seem to feel mad about what they are seeing. Most of the time I don't get it as everything I am doing goes hand in hand with the words of Stanley Meyer in how things should be working as I am applying a high voltage to the load and restricting the amps at the same time just as Meyer says should be going on. But the responses I get are the total opposite of what expected to get from most but not all say like 99.5% bad. Reading the comments on the interview video shows exactly what I am talking about. Instead of others showing their work and more progress being made the total opposite takes place in a truly mean and even hurtful way. People take it as a place to have competition with me instead of a place to share and improve upon our results together. Basically I have been forced to go it alone and now I have accepted that and moved on and truly left everyone behind in doing so. Now when I talk most simply have no idea what I am talking about and they make rash judgmental comments only to find out that I was right the whole time sometime later. Ionization is the key to this technology and we must figure out a way to go about doing it in water just as we do in air realizing the only thing that has truly changed is the medium we are trying to ionize the atoms in as the rules for ionization don't change.
I took the time to watch the interview video again and feel comfortable in that I told the truth to the best of my abilities to do so at that point of my understanding about this technology. I think things our totally out of my hands now for I have put forth the science, proved the science, and showed limited positive results that appear to heading in the right direction. I talk about what Meyer tells us is a benchmark as far as what voltages we should be striving for as no one can say anything about Meyer's truth level until they reach the benchmark he states in the patents. This means you must get 1kv or more to the load measured at points D&E shown in the post with turn count data in it. You must get the right tools for the task at hand and not doing so means your out as you can't show up as a Doctor to perform heart surgery with a butter knife in your hands to work with as that is just not going to cut it.
More than likely this will be the year this technology comes out. How many of us will take the hard task of building this for the masses will be shown as time moves on. One thing I have hopefully made clear is not everyone can build this technology even with a complete set of plans in their hands so someone is going to have to step up to the plate and build it for them, and you must ask yourself, "Am I that someone?"
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The first thing my dad asked to me when he saw i was so involved in this idea was: Are you prepared for it to not work? how will you feel if someone do it before you? are you ready for that?
Are you ready?
I will show to you my voltages... with scopeshots
as i said this was measured between ground and the cell...
the chokes were working in commom mode...
not ok according to my theory... or not with the pulsing circuit i have here....
is not hard to get voltage multiplication... i explained a milion times how the primary collapses...
the thing is if you dont restrict the amps correctly you will never get high voltage on the collapse since the amps going in the secondary will cancell the magnetic energy accumulated on the core...
now i have all the chokes on the same core one over the other...
it seems promising because of how it did it...
time will tell...
let me take the time to hooke up the older vics to the cell and i can show picture evidence and scope shots of the said voltages.... well i showed pictures showing fluorescent bulbs lighting 50cm away from the cell without any connection rather than my hand capacitance... this should be enough for you to see how much voltage was there...
this was only 20 or so
I really suport your ideas hope you do make it work my friend you are in a good way...
if i was you i would not loose time with old bad feelings and move on and go test!
I´m here doing some coiling too aways..
TGS lets create a new thread only for your theory? i will create it for you in my project section so we can condense your info in a more solid place so all can go and see... my project section is a very well visited place =)
i´m trying to reach a state of peace for you to be more confortable to work more inspired!
It will inspire me too sure just knowing you will be more re-energized in this 2016 to get this point!
Are you up to it?
i will do some posts on how i wind my coils and do the vaccuum process with oil maybe that helps some to think about new things they havent considered on the coil design...
Wish a happy new year to you, keep strong!
Best Regards
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Regarding your waveform it tells me your coils seems are not right
it seems like that initial negative occur because you get insuficient voltage on your secondary during pulse on.,..
its just some of what i though in this days thinking of it,,,
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That waveform is very old as with all of the negative responses why share any new data? is my thinking. As for me sharing my theories nah as now it's all about the company's mission. People had their chance with me and blew it. You were the last one Sebosfato and your comments on the RWG are well noted.
Right now I have a business already set up and ready to go. I design practically everything and did things the hard way by making use of the scientific and engineering methods and some good old fashion trial and error. I'm not worried about who does it first as whoever they are they still will have to figure out a way to bring the technology to market which I have already done. In the end the cheapest prices are going to win out just as Meyer says. From what I can tell the exciter array will cost most people $2500 or more and I redesigned it to cost much less. The same goes for all of Meyer's technology that I feel is relevant. I put my skills to work and made them to be as cost effective as I could possibly build them as what good is this technology if no one can afford it?
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i´m just sorry if you think i want to atack anyone...
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i´m just sorry if you think i want to atack anyone...
I am just trying to get you to tell everyone the truth as when you told everyone that you were getting 50kv to you cell you didn't even have the right equipment to read what you where applying to your cell. Seeing that you don't seem to be able to take a hint I will be blunt this time. The reasons why the truth needs to be told is your claims are thousands of volts over what Meyer states are to be the working requirements for the exciter array. Meyer states 1kv or more per resonant cavity which means for a wfc of your size would need 11kv or more to run it. We can't move forwards with claims like these being left unchecked as they go to the core of this technology in that Meyer was not telling us the truth or you were not telling us the truth as someone is lying. The measurement is to be taken at points D&E just as Meyer took his which is across the wfc. There are other things you said that need clarification but I will start with this one first as it goes to clear Meyer's name.
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Stanley meyer said anyone would hurt his feelings if a better way could be found than his to do the things...
I just said on the post at the opensource energy something like suporting your partner gunther theory that maybe paralleling the coils could help get higher volts to the cell rather than adding all in series...
arent you working together?
doesnt it make any sense?
was it too much? to agree with something different than you said?
i didnt disagree with your theory nor said to you your stupid and should not tried it! never would!
Man sorry but yes i got 50kv but i never said it was across the cell...i aways clearly said it was between cell and gorund.. iand yes i had the right equipment to show me that... and i tell you this was the rms value not the peak!
i did it using the chokes on separate core... all chokes and secondary had 3000 turns or so
inside oil out gassed
and water was 0ppm
if you dont believe is your all right
i just need to keep my work going, any help is wanted...
i didnt questioned your theory in any moment... aways suported you...
so please dont worry be happy
i will
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When I was at the 2013 Global BEM I tried hooking up the transformers in parallel and it didn't work out. At low voltages sure it seems good but try to go for the benchmark voltage and one of the transformers is going to blow. Yeah, been there done that but you would know that already if you actually read the post under that video that takes you to the Aethernet site.
Now to go back to this 50kv you said at a time when I showed everyone just what I was getting at the cell and I repeatedly ask you show your work and to this date you have not. This is why people get confused as people like you run around making themselves sound better than they actually are. I notice that you completely forgot to address just how what you posted would confuse people as those voltages are far over what Meyer says are the working voltages for the exciter array. I never showed anyone the 9.3kv and more than likely never will as then you would say your getting 60kv as it's all about competition no?! You said what you said to shut me down back then and yes I never forgot it.
To this date no one has shown more voltage being applied to the water fuel capacitor than I have but my word means nothing as anyone can do that, right, but that just isn't true is it, huh? No, one ask how I did what I did but just went towards the flow following others as they moved to shut my voice down. It was at a time when there was a all out attack on me when you made those comments and I have plenty of eye witnesses.
As for Gunther he doesn't agree with the guy but was just happy that someone actually gave me credit for something I have done. I had a talk with him and told him the guy was going against what I was talking about and he said I know but was just happy someone finally gave you credit for one of the many ideas I came up with. So, you go right ahead and hook up some transformers in parallel and see the outcome for yourself when you try and reach the benchmark voltage Meyer gave us to reach. Make sure you make a video of your transformer burning up as I forgot to make one when mines burned up.
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I didnt knew you tested before the paralleled transformers... about the burned transformer.. good point... sorry for your lost =d for me burning a transformer makes me very sad.. .it arched? or over load?
I thought by how gunther pointed out that you worked together or something...
this 50kv reading was taken with a 1000:1 probe from ground to cell... connected to a high quality multimeter.. this is how i measure before i got this knew oscilloscope and probe...
the precision was good enough but the dmm measures rms value not the peak... my one also has max and min and avarage... anyway now that i can see with the other probe i can have a confirmation on the osciloscope of all tests i done was at least correctly probed...
Due to your effort you have now a wonderfull project section Ed you will be the moderator so you get full control of the posts! Good luck man! Hope all goes nice to you here on ionizationx and that hopefully it help you share your ideas and get people to recognize your effort and dedication.. you will get freedom to do many threads with your theory in your section in an organized manner...
i tried to create a tutorial post for example ...
Good vibes!
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quote from edd talking behind my back on this post somewhere non related to this discussion...
What case? Me calling you out in what you told the group was a lie or a gross assumption that is totally unfounded by facts? I quote, "for the record i got up to 50kv on the exciters and more than 3kv across each cell.. by the way reaching high voltages is not a problem.." This is what you wrote and it is not truthful and you don't care of the damage you are doing to the technology by saying things like this just to save face.
I just pointed out there is no way you got the voltages you are claiming here as you simply don't have the proper equipment to be able to tell what voltages you are getting to your exciter array. You say, "by the way reaching high voltages is not a problem," and that too is not the truth as if it was everyone would be getting high voltages to their exciter arrays.
This was said by you to belittle my work and you do so for your own personal reason of which to me seem like you are doing so just to save face. I have to call people like you out as they have no idea of the damages that they are doing to the movement. Basically you are saying high voltage isn't the answer which goes against what Meyer himself told everyone in his many lecture videos and it also goes against what my experiments have been telling me thought my observations of said technology.
I am sorry I have to do this but it is time for this type of behavior to be put in check as it is hurting the movement. If you build what I have just shown you you will get high voltages to your exciter array, but in order to be able to see what is taking place you must get a differential probe capable of handling the voltages we are dealing with. There is no going around this as you also stated for you simply will not be able to see what 's taking place at the exciter array without the proper equipment to be able to do so, thus making what you have told all of us here and to those that visit this site an untrue statement. Like I said I am sorry for this but it's time for this Tom Foolery to stop as people deserve to be told the truth.
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Ok Edd if with all your vic together you won't get high voltage. i'm sorry for you... its not my problem.. its your fault, not mine...
i don't come here to say thing on your post only... if you look i reached this voltages many times in the past and not only me... and yes i can measure it ..accurately..
If you improve your hearing or reading you would understand how i do it. what i use for that... i don't need any fancy device to see what is going on, although i didn't finished the graduation yet i'm a damn scientist and i know now what i'm doing... more everyday..
and by the way the high voltage probe i get is very good precision... so as my dmm so please forget about me and my equipment and keep going... your not reaching.. i'm not in your way... not holding you down... nor anyone.. nor i want any problematic followers ...
if you know what you are doing even coil connected to a multimeter is good way to see the fields present...
you have no clue about what is the blocking diode... or how it operates... you just keep the same arguments and raise up the voice...
you are a classic moron still accusing me of not following meyer...since 2007(hurting the movement) of course my i'm using science!
sorry to be hard but you don't seem to get it when i put in a good way...
the main problem is that i think you are so so steamy about me having so much higher voltage than you to the cell and yet not being satisfied i come to you and say i have a theory i'm working on..
so stop crying like a baby and create your theory and go put you theory in action and stop wasting our times with your words...
As you can see I just caught you in a lie as you did say you were getting 3kv to each cell (resonant cavity's) and 50kv to your cell. This was at a time when you and Electrotek were having a go at me. You said this not knowing that Meyer said it takes 1kv or more to make the resonant cavity work correctly. In fact you said all kinds of things that would totally throw someone off the right path trying to figure out how Meyer's technology actually worked back then. Do you see your competitive combativeness towards the results I showed? I sure do and being a smart man devised a plan to trap you in this lie in a way that all could see it. Sure it cost me $50 bucks but it worked and at the same time I helped get you a tool you needed to be able to actually view this technology. Now you know you were not getting 50kv to your cell and more than likely weren't even getting more than 100 volts to your cell. But that is a good thing as now you can improve upon your results as now you have the right tool for the job at hand. This is what it took to help you but the job isn't done until you fess up in front of your peers. Have fun!
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with the equipmenti had i connected a 1gigaohm probe to a point and it gives 50kv and than i change the point where the probe is touching and measure and its 47kv than there could be assumed this 3kv is somewhere isnt it?
basically the test maybe was bad but never my intention to fool anyone my friend... i only want to encourage you to do the same tests and combat what i said... like your doing... but i´dont need to be called a lier or whatever...
when i did the test with the isolated multimeter i posted the test that should be done... not sure how many did it...
an isolated multimeter at the potential of the cell floating with its lead connected to the cell and only one wire goin to the cell pulsing it..rel to ground...
what i was trying to prove is that if you charge a electrode relative to ground is equivalent to have the capacitor partially charged... and this was showing up in my tests
if you get the effort to get my conditions probably you will find similar results they will puzlle you like they did to me because all this can be noise on the equipments we have... today equipments are trash!@
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This is why I blocked you on FB as I knew you have passed the point of no return. Right here in this thread you just said I didn't measure the voltage across the cell and I just posted a post you made showing that you did say you measured the voltage across the cell. Listen you can't have it both ways okay as it doesn't work like that.
You, Eletrotech, and a whole host of other people just love to take pokes at me from time to time just to see if you can get me to change the tune I have been signing since the 2013 Global BEM. As for the equipment I've had the right tools for the job for a very long time now. I got it when I started to work on the 8xa circuit as I couldn't make use of the probe that came with the scope for it would shut down the house breakers.
You say you didn't mean to mislead anyone but I think you just got caught up in the fight and wanted to come out on top to say to everyone, "There's no need to listen to him as I am getting higher voltages to my cell." But you did cause damage to the movement in that what you claimed was way over what Meyer stated in the patents to be the working voltages for the exciter array. Basically you tossed out what Meyer said as you passed his statements by 2000 volts or more and your set up wasn't working. Now that is true damage to the movement for now how many volts do we need to make this technology work?
Plus you make people like me look like we are just messing around and accomplishing nothing, which was your intent with the statement you made. I proved I was right with Electrotek about the science behind the technology I was telling everyone about with the help of a friend. With the core science the technology can be solved as those who understand what I wrote can figured out what the goal is. Now in the Global BEM video I already told people what the goal is but now I had some added scientific proof I was telling the truth and not just a hunch. Anyone that watched the video can tell just what the difference is between Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method and Stanley Meyer's voltage breakdown method. But in the spirit of competition "Who cares," right? People have been running around telling people not to listen to me for years now and since the post has been made of showing just where to take the measurements from no one wants to do it for some strange reason.
If I make a mistake I own up to it as if I don't I can cause someone to get lost who might be looking in on what I am doing, but people like me are rare in today's world aren't they?
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Actually the one telling people to not believe me were you right since the energetic forum... (man i was even in your ignore list, when i first tried a fund raising) why i forgive all this and go over it? not because you donated 50$! was because for me you are someone who i respect, for you worked hard like many of us and harder than many, so i prefere to not get into our core differences since we are different man from diferent country and culture but into how can we zero up anything we past because brothers must discuss but must aways understand themselves in the end. i prefere to recognize i not have any enemy other than myself...
If i gave up on you, it would mean to me that the world can end up on a big war because the people gives up on people. i dont give up on people... i can get away become mad sad but later i have a momente where i think and see that i´m not alone in this world...
Now i can go on fore days trying to make you see i´m no harm, i´m someone who dont like talk about others and personaly dont like much of who do this. it * me off. I´m someone trying to help and trying to get all you together so that when me or one of us maybe need some hands there will be a comunity to work with...
many wait for this... they come just here and wait for the day we will show a working cell...
me too sometimes i think, let me check if anyone made it...
i´m trully sorry that my apresentation of ideas and tests wasnt what you expected hope now its explained what i meant and did...
so bro please consider your atitude i´m trying to do my best here and i know you too so let get over it?
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Now that you have the right tool for the job lets get a real reading at points D&E so we can see just what needs to be done to get your voltage up. Just know and understand I did what I did as solution to a problem in that Electrotek was using your ignorance to pit you against me back then and after I analysed the problem that was the solution to get you on the side of Meyer.
So, are you ready to give us a real voltage reading using an oscilloscope and your differential probe at points D&E or do we stop progress for you because you aren't willing to share that information? This is a choice you have to make as I can't walk through this door for you. Don't worry about showing us low voltage readings as the goal is to get your voltage up, okay?
Recap from the 2013 Global BEM interview, what did I state is the goal we are trying to achieve in how we go about breaking the bonds of the water molecules with this technology? Ionization, correct? Now the rules for ionizing atoms don't change for anyone. If electricity is used then it takes a high voltage potential difference to get the atoms to release their electrons. This high voltage potential difference must be applied to the plates of the resonant cavities of the exciter array which we are to measure at points D&E as shown in this drawing or across the individual resonant cavities themselves which is not shown in this drawing:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/circuit-scope4_zps0z3predb.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/circuit-scope4_zps0z3predb.jpg.html)
As I stated the rules for ionization don't change so just what did change to have Meyer to build all of this stuff? Answer is the medium changed as air has far more resistance than water does and this loss of resistance must be compensated for so that the conditions of ionization can be met for the targeted atoms we wish to ionize. Basically just as I stated in the 2013 Global BEM interview the conditions of air ionization must be forced on the water molecules in order to get at the atoms so that they can be ionized. As you can see my tune hasn't changed since then as I am saying the same things now as I said back then but with a little more clarity. Perhaps you have seen this equation before, E = √ (PxR), as now we need to apply it to our designs in building the VIC transformers correctly to be able to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the water fuel capacitor.
Read the right side of the photo shown below:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/2015-11-25_031811_zpsh5d681p4.png) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/2015-11-25_031811_zpsh5d681p4.png.html)
And perhaps we will talk more about this on a latter date.
You spoke of the past when I rose against you and I was correct in doing so as I was right back then as I am right right now but I still had more to learn and perhaps still do as I don't have all the answers.
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Thanks Man i will do the tests and share a table here soon as possible... you will see it i need to plug the old vics to do it...
i just tested my new coil... its just amazing... i never saw a transformer do the following:
it reduce the amps as frequency decreasessssssss
it increase the current consumption as the kilohertz get higher with the chokes open circuited... its very impressive...
primary over the secondary... 18 turns agains two chokes of 550turns each interleaved in the same direction,. 18awg
i´m not sure if is it not a limitation of my Half bridge since it has only 4 capacitors to hold the current and so the greater the freauency the greater will be the current they can provide...
the transfomation fator for the coils in series is around 75 from voltage measrement,,,
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Thanks Man i will do the tests and share a table here soon as possible... you will see it i need to plug the old vics to do it...
i just tested my new coil... its just amazing... i never saw a transformer do the following:
it reduce the amps as frequency decreasessssssss
it increase the current consumption as the kilohertz get higher with the chokes open circuited... its very impressive...
primary over the secondary... 18 turns agains two chokes of 550turns each interleaved in the same direction,. 18awg
i´m not sure if is it not a limitation of my Half bridge since it has only 4 capacitors to hold the current and so the greater the freauency the greater will be the current they can provide...
the transfomation fator for the coils in series is around 75 from voltage measrement,,,
As I told you before these transformers do not make their high voltages by way of the transformer's turn ratio.
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/THEFIRSTVICFIGURE8XA.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/THEFIRSTVICFIGURE8XA.jpg.html)
Note Meyer's words in that he states that, "increased coil length equally increases applied voltage level/amp restriction..."
It's best for you to follow our lead on this and I can give you some pointers in that the chokes and secondary should have had a turn count of 2850 turns each. For as of right now you are building them all wrong trying to get high voltage by means of the transformer's turn ratio for they simply don't work that way. The way you are going right now looks good on paper but you failed to take into account the load capabilities of the transformer you are building as built that way they simply can not take the load the WFC places on them.
As you can see me going back to the old 8xa circuit was a good thing as I learned some valuable information by doing so.
So, if you build it like you are planning to do you are on your own as it's either "our way or the highway!" I for one haven't the time to be messing around with someone that comes in this late in the game and doesn't know how to follow the lead of those that are far ahead of them.
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Why the hell people are still mixing Stans Circuits?? I can't understand...
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8XA IS NOT RESONANT CIRCUIT!
This was the first patents from Stanley Meyer before the resonant system.
Dont try to achieve resonance with this because you will get frustrated.
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8XA IS NOT RESONANT CIRCUIT!
This was the first patents from Stanley Meyer before the resonant system.
Dont try to achieve resonance with this because you will get frustrated.
This shows the true difference from all of you and me as I learned something for I got resonance with the 8xa circuit but more than that I made sense of the words by way of experimentation using the scientific method which is something none of you ever try and make use of.
Like any tool it is only as good as the person making use of it and since it is clear to me that most if not all of you never bothered to even pick up the tool known as the scientific method you've been totally stuck in trying to figure out this technology. You all get mad at me for showing an understanding of this technology but never take the time to attempt to understand anything that I say. I can't even count just how many times I have pointed everyone in the right direction to only be told to go away as we don't want what it is you are showing us. I have spoken of the New Zealand video many times in the past and even took the time to post the video for you all to look over.
The 8xa circuit is of Meyer's early work and from there one can gain an understanding of this technology. Did you know that you can re-wire it to be just like a VIC transformer? Nope because you are too busy running your mouths and typing away on your keyboards to ever get to performing any real world experiments. Your all so afraid of failing that you never start doing anything. Or you are so strapped for cash that you can't afford to build anything. Either way if you don't get some experiments under your belt you will never learn anything. This is the primary reason why when I speak of how this technology actually works you have no idea what I am talking about for you have no practical experience with this technology as you are just working with theories in the mind.
The voltage intensifier circuit was the hardest part of this technology to figure out and I went through more than 20 transformers before I got the hang of it and was able to start seeing just what it is actually doing. I have a lot of experience in building these transformers now having made and tested all types of different cores. I made VIC's with I, C, E, and the donut cores, wired these things up all types of ways. But I took notes as using the scientific method requires the use of a laboratory note book. I learned by doing as sitting on one's behind doesn't give any real world experiences with this technology only hands on boots on the ground work does.
Example, in the photo I just posted of the 8xa circuit you will see the words, "Increased coil length equally increases applied voltage level/amp restriction since induction/capacitance increases proportionally." Did any of you give these words a try and observe the results? More than likely the answer is no, right? as you are too cheap to build more than one coil size and test it in a manor that would give you a chance to see what these words are talking about. So to all of you these are just words that have no real meaning but for me I learned the meaning behind the words as there was a lesson to be learn here. The 8xa circuit is an easy circuit to make but it's old Meyer tech and since it has no dollar value you can make right now you don't waste your time with it. I took the time to learn this technology from the ground up through the foot steps of Meyer as he learned this technology. Sure I had to spend some money on something I could never sell but the lessons that needed to be learned from this sure was worth it. I think I made and tested at least 10 different size choke coils and from this I learned. When I felt I was ready to move back to the voltage intensifier circuits I did so and made all the progress I have shown you in figuring out how to get the high voltage to the load and not have it be trapped at the secondary coil. So when you see me post waveform shots like this know it took a long time to figure out how to get the high voltage to the load.
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/personalpics009_zpscf31888c.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/personalpics009_zpscf31888c.jpg.html)
As these results didn't come easy as it took a lot of hard work dealing with older Meyer technology to be able to get this far. But the Nay Sayers told you these results are a dime a dozen but I have yet to see a single person show results like this. Then I get the question, "where is the gas production?" and when I answer it to the best of my abilities to do so the answer I give is rejected. But now it seems common knowledge that you need 1kv or more per resonant cavity to get this technology up and running correctly, hum... I wonder where that came from?
I have come to the conclusion that what you all really want is for someone to help you start a business with this technology. I just observe all of the competition going on and came to this conclusion. You aren't wiling to work for it and some have even rejected it when it was freely given to them.
This year is going to prove interesting as I have a lot planned for this year and if all works as planned it will be a year to remember.
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Sorrry....not sorry to burst your bubble but these guys only beat you to it by 16 years.
http://www.wasserauto.de/html/stanley_meyer.html
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Sorrry....not sorry to burst your bubble but these guys only beat you to it by 16 years.
http://www.wasserauto.de/html/stanley_meyer.html
And you would be yet another enemy of the technology to add to the list? Where to you people come from? What True Green Solutions is doing right now is trying to bring this technology to the people that need it most. The technology was not easy to gain enough understanding of to be able to duplicate it as you are well aware of. But since you like to go back 16 years let me see a single product that they have on the market for the people to buy. Just one company that is doing right by the people at trying to bring this technology to the market so that they can have access to it, can you show me one? I know of one but only one that is attempting to step up to the plate and build this technology for the many that simply can not build it for themselves even with a complete set up plans in their hands.
Who are these people that simply could not build this technology for themselves? Your mother, grandmother & grandfather, sisters, brothers, aunts and uncles, cousins, friends, and billions of people whom you don't know. How are they to be able to get access to this technology unless someone steps up to the plate and builds it for them in a manor that the technology is completely safe for use? The arrogance of you people is simply astounding at times along with your stupidity but I guess they come hand in hand. Why are you so adamant at preventing this technology from coming out? Just who's payroll are you on, the oil companies, the coal companies, you tell me? As one thing is clear and that is you are not willing to support True Green Solutions mission to bring this technology out to this world so that automatically puts you on the side of those that don't want this technology to see the light of day as there are only two sides from which to be on. True Green Solutions with it's mission of "Ushering in the science of freedom" has many enemies and you are just one more to add to the list as a true supporter of the current system of energy enslavement. You see there are only two sides from which to be on and by default you have sided on the side of the energy sellers but are too ignorant to know it. You wish for the company to fold or will do anything in your power to make the company go belly up which is exactly what the energy sellers need on their side which is a free non-paid worker for them to keep the status quo.
But you don't see this larger picture as you are not so bright in the mind as to be able to see things like this. As here you are talking crap to a business owner who's primary mission is to bring this technology out to the masses. A mission to provide to the people a quality product that is safe for use that will give them energy independence and you are dead set against the company and it's mission to the point of taking action to prevent the company from completing it's mission. So, again, just who's payroll are you actually on?
http://www.truegreensolutions.net/ Doing what it can to bring this technology to the people.
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Dude i havent read that post yet but im not spoon feeding you the waveform they posted you claim to be the only one who has ever produced but its there...16 years ago.
As far as you trying to bring something to the market to help people that need it ???, All you are trying to do is help YOURSELF.... its all you buddy ... your attitude is piss poor broke and most of all NIEVE !!!Not the kind of person i can see desearves ANYTHING !!!
You are so far behind its not even funny and to come here and spew the ignorance you possess as if no one can see what you truely is ....for every greater than thou post you make i get even more disgusted with YOU.
In all fairness its help you seek in the end that even a tattoo on your forehead wont fix...you need to wake up and smack that dude in the mirror as hard as those pion hands can smack.
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TGS because you got this waveform dont mean you achieved that.
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This guy (TGS) Come here always with arrogance and disrespect to everyone here in the forum.
When we post some of our work he says "You come here more to get tap in the back" and maybe is what he is doing too!
People like him dont deserve any attention or respect because he dont respect others and their opinion.
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TGS because you got this waveform dont mean you achieved that.
This post doesn't make any sense. Are you saying I posted a lie? All I did was share the results I am getting you all are the ones that took offense to it. I have plenty of eye witnesses of me putting a high voltage to the load at points D&E to include Moray King, Russ Gries, and a whole lot more. Sorry I didn't reach the ionization threshold back then but I still needed to figure a few things out in order to achieve the needed voltage to bring about the ionization of the atoms that make up the water molecules.
Just to be honest with you all that waveform has problems that I had to figure out and figure them out I did. Now it looks nice and smooth right from the start. Will I post such results? Not at a site that is totally hostile towards TGS attempting to bring the technology to the market place. Practically all of you here on this site are enemies to me and my company and could truly care less if the company swims or sinks. Most of you simply can't see the big picture as your minds are only about your own self interest. Take the KWS guy for example he makes post to show what exactly? From my standpoint I have no idea as he simply doesn't make any sense to me.
KWS makes a post as if there is a panel of judges out there that will determine who out there is worthy of this technology or not. To this individual it matters not all of the hard work I put into figuring out this technology as in his view I simply didn't earn it. Now when look up examples of people that do things by putting in the work required to get the job done they deserve it, but not to this enemy of the technology as he is stuck in La la land.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GSvHwVy4P4
But more importantly what does it matter when it comes to just who will attempt to bring this technology to the market place? Do you want the world to have this technology or not!? Like I said there are only two sides to be on one is on the side of those that sell us energy enslavement and the other is those that sell us stuff so we can gain our energy independence. Sorry it had to be me but know that I put it in the work required to figure this technology out and trust me I failed many times along the way. But I wasn't afraid to fail and kept spending my money to improve upon the results I was getting. Like Russ I too have quite a large bone yard of failures but that is what it takes to get this technology up and working and yes I earned it the hard way by putting in the work by way of trial and error making use of the scientific and engineering methods. As it truly is just as Meyer said, the inventor has to be a loner and somewhat thick skinned as no one is willing to help but all so ready to hinder ones efforts to bring about a technology such as this as not many of you will show support of any kind just as Meyer said you would be doing. The responses I have gotten on this and many other sites is total proof that Meyer's words were words of wisdom and truth. The examples of his words being true are all around me just take an honest look in the mirror and look at all of your actions towards someone doing his best to bring this technology to the market place with nothing but ill wishes of failure and saying that I don't deserve it as it shouldn't be a person like me when you have no idea what type of a person I am other than the fact that I am a black Hebrew Israelite. That bible quote Meyer used comes from a book of the history of my people, yeah that's right my people are direct bloodline descendants of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob and from where I stand many of you have a big problem with that.
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Ok....now that was funny :) Good luck you inventor you :P
Oh and congratulations in cleaning up your waveform...may it bring you peace and love and a life filled with happiness with all the work youve done to create such a thing it must have took you years to figure that out...Bravo :)
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Jealous people is really what this is all about isn't it? Those who are jealous of your success, who wish to be in your place and who wish that you lose the things that you have in order to be better than you is what I hear coming from all of these negative comments from you people. I showed a waveform getting 8.8kv to measurement points D&E and this success has turned out to too good for people to accept and caused them to become jealous of me.
A jealous person won’t come and tell you that he\she is jealous of you nor will they say it directly to one of their friends but instead their jealousy will appear in the form of hatred, resentment and gossiping.
Not to hurt their Egos jealous people will never say it directly but the envy they have towards you will spill out of their mouths in the form of non constructive criticism, rude treatment or disrespect for you. These actions I see in practically all of you.
I am not about to apologize for my successes as I know I put in the work in order to be successful with this technology. A long time ago I use to believe in open source and would share what I learned very openly. But after many would claim they came up with the ideas I would share less and less. Now I have totally given up on open source as all I see is competition which leads to jealousy which leads to resentment when some shows results that they themselves can't do. These people will then resort to lying to make themselves look better than those who's work they have become jealous of. In the spirit of competition they want to be first and if they have too lie, cheat, and steal to get there that's fine by them as it's only a means to an end that puts them on top.
I left open source as it's underlining mission clashes with my company's goals. As they consistently show a non-caring attitude towards their fellow man. Never do they see the big picture nor do they realize who's side they are on as they typically can't see past their own noses and/or self interest. They will reflect what they are onto others as it is a form of mental illness they have.
Now I have ask Steve to delete this thread as it only goes to show just how much open source has truly failed as it's mission has been hijacked thus it is a complete and otter failure towards it's original goals.
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Why delete this....??? A little exposing isnt it ??? Just remember one thing....
Some Gave All.
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Maybe because your aproach has been not the best.
Just go away if you feel not welcome.
Easy as that.
(Im still waiting to see where Stan used a bath of oil in transformers, maybe the scientific method, lol).
You dont know even what happens with some capacitors in series, you are so stupid and ignorant that make discuss to you so sad.
Did you calculate the capacitance of your cells in series? how? what is your resonant frequencY ? Your capacitance? coils inductance and reactance at "resonnat action" (not resonance).
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I do think that basic principles are being ignored.
1. To vibrate or stretch the molecules apart, the Mid-infrared spectrum is needed. That is the only thing that will get into the molecules. To accomplish this there are two ways. Infra-red emitting ceramic or a Yag laser. The laser, is ruled out because the power source is not part of the breakdown process. Which I will get into in a moment.
2. This leads us to another aspect. Heat - In playing around with infrared, you would soon realize that creating the infra red involves generating heat!.
We know that Electrolysis breaks the water apart. We know that heat is generated, we know that a double electric layer is formed on the plates, we know that once that layer is formed, more current is needed to break thru the layer to produce more gas, which produces more heat.
What to DO?. All of our efficiency is being lost as HEAT.
1. If I could recycle the heat back into the process, I could gain MORE efficiency.
2. If I could eliminate the Double Electric layer, I could increase efficiency.
3. If I could current limit the electronics, I could increase efficiency.
Double Electric Layer - A Resonant Cavity with water being pumped thru it, with gasses being produced, will create resonance at a certain pressure. This is not even debatable. It at least doubles production with straight DC, and also makes nano bubbles. So, with this in place, efficiency has been increased, because the double electric layer is being destroyed by the moving molecules, which also creates
particle impact.
Heat - Designing a cell with the use of an infrared emitting ceramic, in the 2-3um range will take the heat and convert it into IR. That IR will weaken the bonds even more, thus raising the efficiency. This is the only path "INTO" the molecules. Also, this part of the device should be heat sinked to the atmosphere!. Any "overunity" device would incorporate this technology.
Combined together with a resonant cavity (vibration) and a gated pulsing circuit. 100% efficiency should be realized. Resonance is in the breaking apart of the molecules (electronic), with the action of the water. (physical)
Forget Stan Meyer when it comes down to magically breaking water down with just voltage. The VIC is not designed to stop current leakage thru it. It is a thermostat, He even states that in his patent. Does the thermostat on the wall of your home generate the heat in your home. I think not!.
This is all about recycling energy. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.
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Its so funny how many people try to ignore simple rules of just being polite.
Many ego's working hours on the same kind technology.
Please people, keep some respect for eachother.
If somebody posts something that you dont like, then dont react.
Just open your own topic. Its that simple.
You can have even your own project section. Just ask. You get moderator rights in there. You can modify delete etc etc everything in your own project section.....
All i do, is clean post content or remove posts when the content is not technology related or if the emotions pushes people into mudslinging.
cheers
and dont start writing about me being suppressive and freedom of speech....talk techno or go elsewhere.
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It seems Ronnie and I have a difference of opinion in that I am shooting for the benchmark voltage Meyer set for us being 1kv per resonant cavity and he I have no idea. Since the both of us don't share all that much we have no idea what each other is actually doing so for him to make a rant on the RWG about me just throwing volts at the water fuel capacitor he fails to understand that until we reach the benchmark voltage we can't see what Meyer was talking about. I am okay leaving him to his thoughts and wish he would would extend the same curtsy to me.
Since I understand the science behind the technology I understand that we are ionizing the atoms that make up the water molecules in order to get the molecules to simply fall apart once the atoms start to give up their electrons. The rules for ionization don't change when it comes to using electricity to ionize atoms, IE, high voltage potential difference and low amps. What changed in what Meyer was doing was the medium as water has far less resistance than air has. One day people will understand this easy to understand science but for now I guess they need to go back to school as they seem to have gaps in their learning. My whole focus was getting at the science behind the technology so I could see the whole picture as that is how I work best at problem solving so I play to my strengths. Once I understood the science behind the technology I was able to troubleshoot it far more effectively than before I understood the science behind the technology.
For me I have always been good at problem solving and troubleshooting. I recognize that I don't think like everyone else as I would solve problems far faster than most. I remember arriving at my new station while I was in the military and people playing jokes on me in that they gave the new SGT a couple of bays with trucks in them that had not worked in over nine months stuck in those bays. These trucks had problems they couldn't figure out and they had given up on them. It took me just two weeks to get those trucks out of my bays fixing what they said couldn't be fixed. Like what's happening to me with these forums they weren't happy that I fixed those trucks and got jealous of my abilities when it came to problem solving and troubleshooting. They would even tell me to slow my roll as I was making them all look bad again the same situation I face here in showing results no one else is even coming close to showing at this moment in time. But like I said this is not new ground to me as I have been here before in dealing with a lot of jealous people.
When I had gotten those vehicles out of my bays those same people who couldn't figure out what was wrong with those trucks in close to a years time had the nerve to tell me, "What took you so long." Mind you that it took me two weeks to get those trucks out of my bay which means I solved what they couldn't solve, ordered the parts, and installed them in two weeks time so it actually took me less than a week to figure out what was wrong with them. With Meyer's technology what has taken me so long is it has a lot of stumbling blocks one must over come along with figuring out the science behind the technology. The science part didn't take me all that long in that it took me around six years to understand it but the stumbling blocks did take a bit of time to discover as they go towards the core of the technology leading people the wrong way on purpose or out of ignorance of those that placed these stumbling blocks in our way.
This is to Ronnie, lets just agree to disagree, okay? You have what you think is a solution and I have what I think is a solution that is based on sound scientific principles by making use of the scientific and engineering methods. Best of luck to us both.
TGS
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What TGS showed was only high voltage, large watts and tiny bubbles.
Anyone saw the crux WFC or qiman13 (Aaron Murakami) WFC?
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Ed, I have no problem agreeing to disagree with you, That's why I have keep most of what I know to myself. Anytime anyone expresses an opinion based on facts it only causes trouble in the community of Stan's Tech. I have always said to everyone that your Vic and Cell will work, You can ask anyone that I have talked to and they will confirm that I said it. It's just for a long time now I knew what your problem has been and keep it to myself until yesterday. I gave you and everyone what they are doing wrong over at RWG forum. You have more than enough voltage in your cell to get it to work, and that's all I been saying. You don't need to keep throwing voltage to it unless your trying to fracture the water. And you will never do that with a copper coil Vic and a Water Gap as wide as Stan's resonate cavity cells. You stated in the post above you are trying to ionize the atoms, and I agree with you 100%. But you will never ionize the atoms while they are in the form of a water molecule. You have to break the molecule first into hydrogen and oxygen in order to ionize those atoms. As long as the atoms are in the form of the water molecule you will never break them apart by throwing voltage at the water molecule unless your are trying to fracture the water molecule. Your biggest problem is your creating the polarization process and loosing it with the gate signal. The Gate signal is superimposed over the polarization voltage. All I ask is, Give it a try. Then come back and tell everyone I was wrong. That's the best I can do to agree to disagree. It's easy for you to do this, Just have Gunther to program the P-Gen to have offset control on the gate frequency for you. If it don't work out for you then it's a simple process to go back to what you were doing. Just keep this in mind, everyone will be trying it this way since i made it public, It's up to you if you want to try it or not. It don't matter to me either way if you do or don't.
Thanks,
Ronnie Walker
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Do you remember when I used Ris's books to prove I was correct about something? Right now I could do the same thing concerning Meyer's technology as science can explain how it all works. I even created new general theory based on the science behind this technology that are shown to be taking place in nature also as I found the examples that go along with the theory through observation. One shows the water being broken down by way of ionization the other by taking away the electrons from the atoms that make up the water molecules. Plus I have found a whole lot more things taking place in nature that prove the theory to be valid. Remember I am a man of science and one of my goals was to come up with a new theory for the science books.
I'll look into what you had said when I have completed my work on this as I have to get back to the Gas Processor once I am done with the Water Fuel Capacitor. One thing I want you to understand is Meyer himself says the working voltage of the resonant cavity is 1kv or more as those are not my words. Thus for an exciter array like mines it will take 10kv or more as I have them wired in series. Just allow me to reach this benchmark voltage Meyer set for us as then I will know for sure. Hopefully the new setup will reach 20kv or more being applied to the water fuel cell at measurement points D&E.
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Tgs i changed my water to 0ppm water i had here... and i got 6kv on 6 cells in series... measured across the cells with the differential probe... only few few bubbles appear... the 6kv come in the form of a peak...was consuming from 160 to 200w
i would post scopeshots if its worth
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sabosfato, 200w with tiny bubbles is far below from Faraday electrolysis.
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sabosfato, 200w with tiny bubbles is far below from Faraday electrolysis.
I´m looking for start a reaction that if started theoretically will generate endless amounts of gas... i´m nor really worried now about efficiency... i´m looking for breaking the molecule!
more specifically turning off the covallent force of the molecules in bulk
i was cosidering if i had some sort of laser superimposed on the electrical polarization process could be just enough for doing that... thats because a laser is able to do a fast transistion for the oxygen orbital electrons in the way my theory requires..
if i was able to i would already input killowatts of power... to see what comes
the problem is that is already very hard to get this levels of rms power..
the sound of the transformer is really loud
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sabosfato, 200w with tiny bubbles is far below from Faraday electrolysis.
I´m looking for start a reaction that if started theoretically will generate endless amounts of gas... i´m nor really worried now about efficiency... i´m looking for breaking the molecule!
more specifically turning off the covallent force of the molecules in bulk
i was cosidering if i had some sort of laser superimposed on the electrical polarization process could be just enough for doing that... thats because a laser is able to do a fast transistion for the oxygen orbital electrons in the way my theory requires..
if i was able to i would already input killowatts of power... to see what comes
the problem is that is already very hard to get this levels of rms power..
the sound of the transformer is really loud
With your setup if you balance the B+ and B- voltages you will get a very high voltage being applied to your exciter array but it will not be the same way Meyer did it. They must be kept within 20 volts of each other at all times, its a been there done that sort of thing. You really need to increase your primary turn count twenty times or more from what you are using right now.
Your transformer is going to get really hot so placing it in a cool oil bath will help you out a lot; http://www.electrical4u.com/transformer-insulating-oil-and-types-of-transformer-oil/ When I had my setup like yours it would actually start to boil the oil so keep an eye on the temps so you don't burn through the wires insulation.
And just so you know with your set up your going to need to reach 11kv before you reach the threshold for ionization. So don't listen at all to those like X-Blade as they have no idea how this technology actually works still thinking it has something to do with Faraday style electrolysis.
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I was telling you about magnetic field since long time ago look at a recent patent. http://www.google.com/patents/WO2015125981A1?cl=en
How about a little help, I need to switch a capacitor voltage like this synchronous to an ac line ,how would I go about it with the electronics??? The maximum voltages are irrelvant I just want to switch their voltages like this they don't have to be equal.
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I was telling you about magnetic field since long time ago look at a recent patent. http://www.google.com/patents/WO2015125981A1?cl=en
How about a little help, I need to switch a capacitor voltage like this while having an ac line passing nearby how would I go about it with the electronics??? The maximum voltages are irrelvant I just want to switch their voltages like this they don't have to be equal.
Not sure if you are talking to me or not as I don't remember talking to you, but in Meyer's technology that is what the blocking diode is for as it will switch on and off just as you drew up. As for finding something to switch like that I can't be of help to you there, okay?
As far as the maximum voltage being irrelevant and the B+ and B- voltages not needing to be equal you are wrong about that as this technology will require a different type of ratio being that we will be needing a voltage per amount of water breakdown ratio as that is how this technology works. This is letting voltage do the work just at I stated in the 2013 Global BEM video for ionization is the key to breaking the bonds of the water molecules with this method of water decomposition.
Best of luck to you on finding something to switch your high voltages.
TGS
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I was talking to fabio but what is the meyer's blocking diode?? I don't need it to make hydrogen yet , I need it to make electromagnetic motors and propulsion devices, test the formulas I've come up with. ;D maybe I can make some experiment with hydrogen but how can I make this waveform?? What kind of electronics will I need , can anybody draw a schematic? Did meyer give a schematic for this waveform?
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You open your mouth so wide just to say "The owner of T.G.S." we all waiting to see your products working as you claim...
Now, i can clearly see who "want some tap in the back" or a prize...
This forum needs more experimenters, less theories and more work.