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Sebosfato / Re: My new approach
« Last post by Login to see usernames on July 18, 2023, 23:20:26 pm »Today I’m going to share one conclusion I arrived at
If the bifilar coils place the same voltage on both electrodes being them common chokes
The current should be zero reference to ground however there is two things
One what is ground
Second the electrodes being different in size makes the current different
That brings to the secondary
If one electrode probably the inner has a better contact with ground because of its construction and water contacts
The other will need a little bit higher voltage to have the same current to flow
Second point
High voltage vs capacitance vs charge
In an electronic ckt force is given by the charge and it depends on voltage and capacitance
If you have very small capacitance and milion volts the force is smaller than if you have milion charges and high capacitance
So the ground may be the way to increase this capacitance to a maximum in order to place charge on those electrodes
In the 11 cell I imagine the ground could be an aluminum plate siting in the ring below water input of the cells
Ideally could be some material with very high surface area to reduce the joules required to place the required charge that will cause the force that will flex the water..
If the secondary is just to zero the current than it makes some sense that current drops to zero
The current will be only between ground and electrodes
High current
But across the ckt it will be minimum
Think of water as a dielectric if the plates are charged the same they will ? Repel
If you add a dielectric in between, the force ? Increases
What this force wants?
To return the charges to where they came from
So we get a returning force
When a capacitor is charged the opposite charges attracts so they really want to stay in the capacitor
They only discharge of a better path is given
In charging both with same charge make it harder to charge each plate since each plate wants to suck opposite charges near the other electrode next to it kind of cancelling out the inside charges
However the work done by the electromagnetic field on the coils supposedly is able to keep that opposite charges away
So the only way to increase the force is to indeed zero up the current flow by perfect balancing the current that flows in the two coils
So if the current flow in one direction in both coils and exact same quantity a very high force may be achievable
Basically any difference in voltage would lead the opposite electrode to charge with opposite charge and basically discharge the charge on the electrode
A manner to know the exact secondary voltage needed is to apply a voltage to each coil and than measure the current
Than adjust the voltage to make the currents the same
This way is easy to determine what the secondary voltage according to the turn ratio
I consider that could even be two grounds one for each coil one up and one below the cells
This way the secondary can be thin wire since there will be no real current flow there
Imagine two vandegraff generators side by side
Would work the same?
If the bifilar coils place the same voltage on both electrodes being them common chokes
The current should be zero reference to ground however there is two things
One what is ground
Second the electrodes being different in size makes the current different
That brings to the secondary
If one electrode probably the inner has a better contact with ground because of its construction and water contacts
The other will need a little bit higher voltage to have the same current to flow
Second point
High voltage vs capacitance vs charge
In an electronic ckt force is given by the charge and it depends on voltage and capacitance
If you have very small capacitance and milion volts the force is smaller than if you have milion charges and high capacitance
So the ground may be the way to increase this capacitance to a maximum in order to place charge on those electrodes
In the 11 cell I imagine the ground could be an aluminum plate siting in the ring below water input of the cells
Ideally could be some material with very high surface area to reduce the joules required to place the required charge that will cause the force that will flex the water..
If the secondary is just to zero the current than it makes some sense that current drops to zero
The current will be only between ground and electrodes
High current
But across the ckt it will be minimum
Think of water as a dielectric if the plates are charged the same they will ? Repel
If you add a dielectric in between, the force ? Increases
What this force wants?
To return the charges to where they came from
So we get a returning force
When a capacitor is charged the opposite charges attracts so they really want to stay in the capacitor
They only discharge of a better path is given
In charging both with same charge make it harder to charge each plate since each plate wants to suck opposite charges near the other electrode next to it kind of cancelling out the inside charges
However the work done by the electromagnetic field on the coils supposedly is able to keep that opposite charges away
So the only way to increase the force is to indeed zero up the current flow by perfect balancing the current that flows in the two coils
So if the current flow in one direction in both coils and exact same quantity a very high force may be achievable
Basically any difference in voltage would lead the opposite electrode to charge with opposite charge and basically discharge the charge on the electrode
A manner to know the exact secondary voltage needed is to apply a voltage to each coil and than measure the current
Than adjust the voltage to make the currents the same
This way is easy to determine what the secondary voltage according to the turn ratio
I consider that could even be two grounds one for each coil one up and one below the cells
This way the secondary can be thin wire since there will be no real current flow there
Imagine two vandegraff generators side by side
Would work the same?