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Projects by members => Projects by members => Steve => Topic started by: Steve on December 06, 2008, 20:56:16 pm
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Hi,
Here is my project about ionization of gasses.
As you can read in the basic setup manual, i use ambient air for slowing the burnrate of the hydroxy mix.
So, i am investigating what the effects are when i ionize the ambient air, as well as the hydroxy gasses.
The less electrons in the mix, the better! ;)
The ideas are to use photons from LEDlasers at certain frequencys accoording to the Bohrmodels of hydrogen AND oxygen.
The other idea is to use High Voltage.
And the last idea is to plug the free floating electrons out of the gasflow by use of an EEC. An electron extraction circuit as Stan Meyer descriped.
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Steve
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Hi,
I build me a small tubular cell with 5 tubes. It consumes at 13V an amazing 8 amperes.
This cell will be build that it can contain lots of pressure.
When you want to try ionization by High Voltage, then you better be sure you have pressure.
With no pressure, you will blow up yr cell.
So, becarefull replicating if you want to use HV.
Here is a picture and a video of the new testcel.
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Steve
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Work in progress:
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Another 2 pics of work in progress.
My goal is to have 2 of those panels.
Next week number 2 will be ready. I already found me a nice plexiglas tube.'
I am gonna add these panels on the outside. Rest of tube will be coverd with alu foil for reflecting purposes, in the hope the light will bounce.
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steve
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I hope you have a good flashback arrestor because if you manage to ionize those gases with high voltage and lights and get into the 2.5 million barrels of oil for a gallon of water you will kill yourself ...
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Another 2 pics of work in progress.
My goal is to have 2 of those panels.
Next week number 2 will be ready. I already found me a nice plexiglas tube.'
I am gonna add these panels on the outside. Rest of tube will be coverd with alu foil for reflecting purposes, in the hope the light will bounce.
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steve
Hello Stevie
Why are you using 4 different colors is it to cover a hole range of frequencies NM.
Najman
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Stevie googled all the relevant wavelenghts and is trying all of them .
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Stevie , do you have a 935 nm GaAs in there ?
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Another 2 pics of work in progress.
My goal is to have 2 of those panels.
Next week number 2 will be ready. I already found me a nice plexiglas tube.'
I am gonna add these panels on the outside. Rest of tube will be coverd with alu foil for reflecting purposes, in the hope the light will bounce.
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steve
Hello Stevie
Why are you using 4 different colors is it to cover a hole range of frequencies NM.
Najman
Hi Najman,
There is indead a reason for it.
Let me try to explain:
The hydrogen is the most simple atom we know. It has 1 proton and 1 electron.
The electron circles around the proton.
This electron can orbit around the proton in different orbits. From close to far off the proton.
These defined orbits have names, like N1 N2 N3 N4 N5
Natur dictates that all electrons move towards the proton to the most inner orbit.
By moving to the proton, the electron releases photon (light) energy.
You can influence this mechanisme. When you add an electromagnetic field to the electron, it will move quicker to the proton.
Or, like mother natur does, you can add photon energy to the atom and the electron will gain energy and move towards the outer
orbit , or even LEAVE orbit.
Well...we do not want electrons in our gas.....
So, we must get those electrons out of orbit. Now, scientists discoverd the fact that atoms do not consume any light.
They found out that every orbit consumes a specific frequency and let other frequencys pass.
The reason why i use 4 specific LEDS is because i found out which frequency i need for each orbit.
The Balmenlines shows us the exact frequencys.
I hope that i can shoot / promote the electron from inner orbit to outer orbit and then out into the free air!
I hope this is the answer on your question. ;)
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Steve
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Stevie , do you have a 935 nm GaAs in there ?
935nm leds are not in this array of leds, Dankie.
Would you like to have those in there? And if so, why?
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Steve
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Well i'm a bit confused really , if you are using the wavelenghts of every lower level and every higher level , wouldnt the electron go from lower level to higher level and back to the lower level depending on wich flashes ... wouldnt those lower level wavelenghts be counter-productive ?
The 935 was used for the oxygen and is the only one mentionned in the briefing , let me get back to you with some more info about the oxygen atom and its different orbits , I think we should be concentrating heavily on the oxygen since those are the electrons we will be struipping via voltage and electron extraction .
The final laser weakens the Hydrogen at the very end just before its gets robbed and unleashes the ether energy .
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Well i'm a bit confused really , if you are using the wavelenghts of every lower level and every higher level , wouldnt the electron go from lower level to higher level and back to the lower level depending on wich flashes ... wouldnt those lower level wavelenghts be counter-productive ?
The 935 was used for the oxygen and is the only one mentionned in the briefing , let me get back to you with some more info about the oxygen atom and its different orbits , I think we should be concentrating heavily on the oxygen since those are the electrons we will be struipping via voltage and electron extraction .
The final laser weakens the Hydrogen at the very end just before its gets robbed and unleashes the ether energy .
There is nothing to be confused. Add photons = one way to outer orbits
If i would add a magnetic field, then they go one way to inner orbits.
If we do nothing, then they go to inner , less powerful, orbits.
steve
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So what is the time that it takes untill it goes back , how many milliseconds ?
Do you know this ?
I still dont understand the lower level leds , maybe for exhaust ??
How do you "control the nuclear power" is what i wanna know ...
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Another 2 pics of work in progress.
My goal is to have 2 of those panels.
Next week number 2 will be ready. I already found me a nice plexiglas tube.'
I am gonna add these panels on the outside. Rest of tube will be coverd with alu foil for reflecting purposes, in the hope the light will bounce.
br
steve
Hello Stevie
Why are you using 4 different colors is it to cover a hole range of frequencies NM.
Najman
Hi Najman,
There is indead a reason for it.
Let me try to explain:
The hydrogen is the most simple atom we know. It has 1 proton and 1 electron.
The electron circles around the proton.
This electron can orbit around the proton in different orbits. From close to far off the proton.
These defined orbits have names, like N1 N2 N3 N4 N5
Natur dictates that all electrons move towards the proton to the most inner orbit.
By moving to the proton, the electron releases photon (light) energy.
You can influence this mechanisme. When you add an electromagnetic field to the electron, it will move quicker to the proton.
Or, like mother natur does, you can add photon energy to the atom and the electron will gain energy and move towards the outer
orbit , or even LEAVE orbit.
Well...we do not want electrons in our gas.....
So, we must get those electrons out of orbit. Now, scientists discoverd the fact that atoms do not consume any light.
They found out that every orbit consumes a specific frequency and let other frequencys pass.
The reason why i use 4 specific LEDS is because i found out which frequency i need for each orbit.
The Balmenlines shows us the exact frequencys.
I hope that i can shoot / promote the electron from inner orbit to outer orbit and then out into the free air!
I hope this is the answer on your question. ;)
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Steve
Thanks stevie for a detailed explanation .one question is how you are gonna( I hope that i can shoot / promote the electron from inner orbit to outer orbit and then out into the free air!)
how your gonne send then in the free air ?
Najman
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The electron moves from proton when it gets more then 14 eV of energy.
So, with the light particles, the electron moves from it self!
Maybe i have to add a HV field as well.
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Steve
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZdtgb1VJ58
Nobody should attempt this without having an air ionizer to go along so we can let the UNSTABLE PARTICLES STABILIZE , this is the only way to control the nuclear reaction .
You have to find some convenient way to mix both ionized gas and unstable particles , I would never try this stuff personally in my house or anywhere close to the thing , maybe 100 feet away ...
Understanding this video perfectly and knowing how to apply the principles is essential .
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What nuclear reaction air to air ;D I dont think that thats enough power to start nuclear reaction it will stabilise as soon as it come out from exhaust pipe into the air
Your talking like your engine is gona blow up like an atomic bomb ;D
Thats the problem , you dont "think" its gonna start a nuclear reaction . You dont "know" either , this is all speculation . Untill someone knows for sure i view this as unsafe and rightfully so .
Lets say you have an explosion thast 2.5 million times more powerful than gas in your engine , whats gonna happen to that engine ?
Stan says this , "It releases pure energy" .... this is a nuclear reaction we are talking about here ...
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Another 2 pics of work in progress.
My goal is to have 2 of those panels.
Next week number 2 will be ready. I already found me a nice plexiglas tube.'
I am gonna add these panels on the outside. Rest of tube will be coverd with alu foil for reflecting purposes, in the hope the light will bounce.
br
steve
Hello Stevie
Why are you using 4 different colors is it to cover a hole range of frequencies NM.
Najman
Hi Najman,
There is indead a reason for it.
Let me try to explain:
The hydrogen is the most simple atom we know. It has 1 proton and 1 electron.
The electron circles around the proton.
This electron can orbit around the proton in different orbits. From close to far off the proton.
These defined orbits have names, like N1 N2 N3 N4 N5
Natur dictates that all electrons move towards the proton to the most inner orbit.
By moving to the proton, the electron releases photon (light) energy.
You can influence this mechanisme. When you add an electromagnetic field to the electron, it will move quicker to the proton.
Or, like mother natur does, you can add photon energy to the atom and the electron will gain energy and move towards the outer
orbit , or even LEAVE orbit.
Well...we do not want electrons in our gas.....
So, we must get those electrons out of orbit. Now, scientists discoverd the fact that atoms do not consume any light.
They found out that every orbit consumes a specific frequency and let other frequencys pass.
The reason why i use 4 specific LEDS is because i found out which frequency i need for each orbit.
The Balmenlines shows us the exact frequencys.
I hope that i can shoot / promote the electron from inner orbit to outer orbit and then out into the free air!
I hope this is the answer on your question. ;)
br
Steve
"Balmer Series" or "Balmer Lines"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmer_series
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZdtgb1VJ58
Nobody should attempt this without having an air ionizer to go along so we can let the UNSTABLE PARTICLES STABILIZE , this is the only way to control the nuclear reaction .
You have to find some convenient way to mix both ionized gas and unstable particles , I would never try this stuff personally in my house or anywhere close to the thing , maybe 100 feet away ...
Understanding this video perfectly and knowing how to apply the principles is essential .
Fun with ultrasonic fogger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzgqxEU0sVc
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Hi Steve,
Found info about ionization of gasses :
http://kr.cs.ait.ac.th/~radok/physics/k9.htm
Best regards
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@WayToGo
Thanks for the link, gonna read now ...
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WOW
Frequency condition DE = hn, a form of Einstein's equation ½mv2 = hn - P
The frequency condition Ee - Ea = hn complements the equation ½mv² = hn - P, which regulates the light-electric effect (Einstein 1905), that is, the exit of electrons from metals, irradiated by short wave light. According to Einstein's concept, this process is: Energy quanta hn enter the surface layer of the body, their energy converts itself there (at least partially) into kinetic energy of electrons - the simplest concept is that one quantum of light passes its entire energy to a single electron as kinetic energy. As such an electron reaches from inside the body the surface, it has lost a part of its kinetic energy. In addition, during the passage through the surface, every electron performs work which is characteristic for the body (exit work). Those electrons will have the largest velocity, which have been excited immediately below the surface and exit perpendicularly to the surface. Their kinetic energy is ½mv² = hn - P, where v is the exit velocity, m the electron mass and P the work performed during the exit. This is the energy which can be measured outside the surface. Measurements have shown that this law is strictly realized for the entire spectral range. For most metals, the exit work lies between 1 and 3 Volt. Bohr's theory of the nuclear atom allots to the exit work P a frequency np by setting P = hnp; the term hnp corresponds to the tension Vp, which is just sufficient to remove the electron from the atom - to ionize it, whence np is also the frequency of the border of the absorption series.
If the absorbed radiation energy is insufficient to liberate an electron from an atom, nevertheless the atom's interior changes itself by raising the electron to a higher quantum orbit. It returns again the potential energy, which the atom has gained in this manner, according to the equation DE = hn as it reverts. Then no exit work is performed, whence ½mv² = hn. The energy ½mv² can also be given to the electron by the work eV, whence eV = ½mv² = hn. This equation regulates - reading from the right hand side to the left hand side - the electron release by light of the frequency n, and - reading from the left hand side to the right hand side - the generation of radiation of light (ultraviolet, X-rays) by electrons at the Volt velocity V.
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Hello Stevie
Any update on the diode led box did you see any improvement ?
Najman
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Hey Stevie,
don't you think you should also incorporate the wavelengths for oxygen:
so, oxygen and hydrogen repel even more when trying to recombine in unstable state, and
oxygen exerts more pulling force on the electron of hydrogen.
Do you know the equations or formulas and numbers for the forces?
Electrostatic force of oxygen > electrostatic force hydrogen-electron
(or something like that)
If the reaction converts the hydrogen atom to energy, aren't we then consuming our... precious water, even though it is most abundant?
Can we expect a "peak water" in the far future? :)
Great to see someone work on the air processor, hope you succeed.
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Hey Stevie,
don't you think you should also incorporate the wavelengths for oxygen:
so, oxygen and hydrogen repel even more when trying to recombine in unstable state, and
oxygen exerts more pulling force on the electron of hydrogen.
Do you know the equations or formulas and numbers for the forces?
Electrostatic force of oxygen > electrostatic force hydrogen-electron
(or something like that)
If the reaction converts the hydrogen atom to energy, aren't we then consuming our... precious water, even though it is most abundant?
Can we expect a "peak water" in the far future? :)
Great to see someone work on the air processor, hope you succeed.
Alan,
The theory of the airprocessor is ok and i can understand that Stan would have a patent on it.
Going for the oxygen is also a good opportunity.
There is also a third one. Do something with nitrogen.
I found some info on that and it seems to be proven by others.
But its all pretty dangerous stuff, if you work with ionization of gases with HV and so on.
This is one of the reasons that i have a hold on writing about it here.
If someone blows his arm off, they propably blame me for that.
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steve
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Please post the info, like to learn about it, just put a serious warning with it.
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Hi Steve
Just browsing though here, ionisation of nitrogen, this is done regular with plasma torches, and I did not put this on the project page of mine, but when thing go wrong with this type of stuff, it all happens in a flash,, I will attempt to show you what goes wrong with ionisation of nitrogen, and excess air ‘oxygen’.
This is jus a couple of them
aussepom
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Hi Brian,
Playing with fuel is always a dangerous thing, is it..
With such a torch, you have the flame outside.
I hope to get the HHO and ionized nitrogen both together inside my cylinder and spark it there.
Hopefully is that no so risci........
Steve
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Hi steve
I was setting up the internals of the injector, all that is going in is compressed air at 40psi but ther was a leak so the ionised nytrogen comes out the wrong place and any excess goes up as well, no HHO just the ionised air and 20khz squarewave, around 50v and 40amps. over in an instant, this is plasma in one case the blue/white, if your han was there very nasty burnt bone and flesh, 5,000 to 8,000deg C. the yelow type a little cooler. this is not the place it should have come out, but after viewing the vid, I was able to correct what was wrong and tested it out, no problem now I have to do a repair job some time,
aussepom
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Hi steve
I was setting up the internals of the injector, all that is going in is compressed air at 40psi but ther was a leak so the ionised nytrogen comes out the wrong place and any excess goes up as well, no HHO just the ionised air and 20khz squarewave, around 50v and 40amps. over in an instant, this is plasma in one case the blue/white, if your han was there very nasty burnt bone and flesh, 5,000 to 8,000deg C. the yelow type a little cooler. this is not the place it should have come out, but after viewing the vid, I was able to correct what was wrong and tested it out, no problem now I have to do a repair job some time,
aussepom
Hi Aussepom,
Thats very very very hot stuff.......you be carefull!
Question: how did you ionize the air? Did you use a metal tube, like Stan used?
Steve
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Hi steve no
you were looing at the part that does that but I got a tiny leak when I was setting it up, the unit that you see has never been pubicly shown before that fits in side another part. it now has a ceramic incert but that got damaged, and the repair did not go so well, as you could see, but there was another problem as well that helped to towards the problem, all sorted now.
aussepom