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Stanley Meyer => Stanley Meyer => Stan meyers resonance => Topic started by: AlienXXX on November 29, 2008, 19:56:47 pm
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PLEASE TRY THIS... STOP putting square waves into the step up transformer! Notice that the dune buggy had a 12 vdc motor turning an alternator off a regular 12 v car battery. The energy used to start producing hydroxy would be replaced by the regular alternator and stock charging system once the buggy was fired up. This is how you get the hydroxy production to be able to start the engine without any gasoline. NOW: realize that the modified alternator had no voltage regulator, the PWM square waves were used to CONTROL the output of the 3 phase AC stator windings, effectively controlling output of vic circuit. THE SQUARE WAVE PWM IS A CONTROL MEANS, AND WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT THE RESONANT FREQUENCY IS A MOVING TARGET, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THE NEED TOR THE PLL AND FEEDBACK PICKUP COIL TO LOCK INTO THE CHANGING PEAK RESONANT POINT...SO putting a 3 phase rectified waveform into the step up transformer, the bifilar chokes and the blocking diode will work BECAUSE the transformer must have a changing flux line to function correctly, only 1/2 wave 3 phase power will cause the step charging effect because this wave more closely resembles the curved pulses shown in all of his documentation.
the step waveforms are NOT SQUARE in his drawings, notice how all the tops are CURVED! a squarewave DC signal WILL NOT work from primary to secondary in any transformer, all you get is vibrations in the core and HEAT, but no transfer of voltage from one coil to the other.
IN MY EXPERIMENT:
I am using an alternator with the voltage regulator bypassed (12 volts square wave to the brushes) and i have removed the diodes completely, leaving this delco unit with 3 stator wires for my A-B-C phases output with the alternator case as neutral. Then i have wound a 2 1/2 " torroidal core transformer with 16GA magnet wire, 3 primary coils equally spaced around the diameter (like a peace sign) 10 turns each. cover the whole thing with teflon pipe sealant tape (good for high voltage insulation) and then wrap the single, 100 turn secondary around the whole thing. I end up with a 1 to 10 step up ratio. NOW: with the alternator running at 3000 - 4000 rpm, there should be 125 volts AC 3 Phase output, transformed to 1250 VAC single phase with a ripple waveform, Put this through the bifilar chokes with the diode on one leg.... I hope this is REALLY what HE was doing. Please note: the STan MEyer VIC drawing is a CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, not a schematic. the circuit describes what is happening, but don't assume he was putting a square wave in as a primary source !!! he was misleading on purpose to protect his patent!
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BS... dont be noob...
Its square waves eveywhere in the tech brief...
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OK Smart GUY what does this proof mean to you?
Take a look at the documents attached here from the U.K. released "international independent evaluation report.pdf" notice that there is some confusion BUILT IN, but on VIC3 he wrote " pulsating (switch off / on ) rotating magnetic field. also notice that on VIC2 the transformer T1 is using AC voltage. then put these two circuits together in your mind and apply them to the conceptual drawing that shows 2 seperate choke coils and a transformer and a diode, and VIOLA! you now see what everyone is missing !
SO , my friend, seems YOU are among the misinformed (i say that for you to realize that stan did this to confuse patent theives! )
Im telling you, ive tried square waves across a transformer. On 12v, Off 12v, On 12v, Off 12v... that doesnt create increasing and decreasing magnetic lines of flux like a sine wave, transformers NEED sine waves to function. Its the changing flux lines that induce voltage and current in the secondary coil through the core! any electrician can tell you that. I went through a 5 year apprenticeship in the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, and am a JOURNEYMAN ELECTRICIAN...transformers dont work with DC. the only reason a square wave works with the field rotor in an alternator is because the magnets are MOVING, creating flux line movement. and pleeeese show some respect for someone who has been doing research for 2 years, AND DONT REFER TO ME AS A NOOB !
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Lol can you host an image without having us to downlad it ? smart guy...
I dont feel like arguing with a noob ... I can shoiw you all the pulse shapes thatt Meyers used and its all dc square waves... Plz dont make a fool out of yourself...
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i have modified my original post please review
i build transformers for a living and am an IBEW union member, 9 year journeyman wireman. I have more electrical theory in my little finger than many people on this forum combined!
search for the 88.1 MB file referenced if you dont trust my attachments, but you will have to wait a while to download because their host seems to have a 46k bandwith limit.
happy hunting, dont take my word for it, go to school and take some transformer classes ...
how did andrew dice clay put it ??? SNAPPERHEAD
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Dont be overconfident... Theres more to Meyers than meets the eye and this debate is 100% pointless i've already read every single sentence of Meyers and know he used many different power source from AC to DC to three phase bipolar...
To claim he used this instead of that with absolute confidence is foolish ...
My project is already decided and nobody has ever had any influence on me... i am not your typical researcher ... And this is not your typical overunity site ...
Hope to see a project from you soon...
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dankie
Don't be so quick to shun AlienXXX. And AlienXXX, no need to get testy. Just show us!! :o
After all, The first production car, Was definitely not a BMW, Or a Lamborghini.
So there are always ways to improve things. And different ways of thinking. ???
And AlienXXX, if you are here to slam everything, and everyone.
You will need more than somebody elses report.
We want to see your results.
I understand, That being an electrician, One of the first things they teach you is DC and a coil,
Only make a magnet. But there are alot of people on this forum to prove that wrong.
Just show us your test result, and side by side comparisons. ;D
Spike
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alien xxx what about pulse transformer dont the work with squarewaves
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Go post your design with proper PLL and coil with good starting values and correct connections ...
This is not the time to be messing around ,,,
This is a site for serious people with real projects ...
We have a section called "your design" , there you can post something and ask Stevie1001 to remove any unwanted posts in your project section .
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Here is the only mention of the PLL in the whole tech brief ... Theres zero info whatsoever besides that ...
page 3-17
Obviously this is not for the "instant explosion of water"
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Hi alienxx,
I thank you for bringing this new theory!
I do appriciate it very much.
I know some people are in some manner aggressive, but i hope you see thru it.
I like your background as trafo engineer and i think we can learn lots of you.
As you can see is your question a good one for debat.
Dankie, please keep it here on facts. I do not like bad manners. We talked about it. Remember.
Alien, i think squarewaves do work, because i have been using them. So i can say it from my own experience that they can do work with coils.
But yr point does make sense in the context as i see it. So thanks for your input!
Do you have any testresults or scope pictures or any other material that you can publish?
br
steve
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AlienXXX,
Thank you for sharing, I also agree with you, It also goes with same thing Hydrocars has been saying for some time now. Hydrocars has been doing very similar experiments and also concluded that most of Stan's Patents are a cover for the real and important part of this tech.
Electrojolt
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Ya well i dont believe things are so complicated ... Stan might be hiding a few things but not to that extreme ... Unfortunately i trust in Stan and his jibberish is way too complex to be made up...
I dont think he would have given himsell all that trouble of making different injectors and gas processors if he could simply feed enough gas and power a car using his cell and nothing more... He says in the international evaluation report that the cell only could never fully power a vehicule and i believe his in that respect ...
I dont believe Stan was lying to us that much ... The patents were his anyways and he was protected by law... Everything in the tech brief is mostly off-patent why would he care if some amateur could replicate it in his garage ??? ... Thats what he worked for he even says so many times ... He knew he could never get throught the market place and he wanted it to be simple so a regular guy could replicate ...
I am mostly interested in the instant explosion of water and believe what his brother Steven Meyers said... You dont need to produce lots of gas... I dont believe he had a single working method and eveything else was cover-up and unworkable ... I trust in Stan's good will he wasnt such a hater and a trixter ...
I know for a fact that he describes VIC coil 6-1 on video in 1993 ... It couldnt have been a CIA added picture ... from section 5 to section 10 its mostly unpatented material so i dont see how he tried to trick the patent office when those designs never even got patented ....
In fact none of his powercoil designs were ever patented ... And i dont see how Hydrocars could rule out figure 8-10 when this is in fact a variaton of the VIC all-on-1 core design from figure 6-1... I doubt he made a coil like this ...
Here is a pm from 2curious4wfc , i know for a fact that he wouldnt lie to me and the following is 100% true
don't get me wrong, but can you please cut down on the PM a little bit as I have no time left for other things.
Thanks.
TWO, resonances, yes. An electrical one, used to achieve high voltage with little effort.
And an acoustical one (or mechanical if you will), eg. oscillation of particles.(the nucleus and electrons of the atoms)
Yes, it does makes things more complex, that's why many seem to have trouble. This SM
WFC is not a joke, it is quite cutting edge. Too much for most.
my question to him : I'm not really sure what Stan means anymore by *negative voltages* , could this possibly be 2 opposite currents colliding inside the cell , or does this just mean more potential difference like a house +120 and -120 = 240 volt difference ??? Maybe this circuit have bipolar currents of same time phase and equal intensity , Plz have a look at this quote ....
Right, you got it. Two equal AND opposite voltages (or minor currents if you will) with respect to
a virtual ground, as per SM quote.
Yes, they arrive at the same time in the cell. So particles (or molecules if you will are been stressed
equally from each electrode).
So your example is not quite right !!! Correct it would be: +120V + -120V = 0V
So, look at figure 10-5. See it now ? See how he shows a mirror image of the positive waveform vs. the negative waveform and in the center line exactly zero ?
Soja, read this quote carefully, as he means exactly what he says. It is all true and makes all sense.
Think about it ! Read and then think about it again and you will see and understand.
In the mean time, educate yourself in Math, Physics and Electronics if you really want to build a
working device yourself. Don't relay on others to fix your problems remotely and online. This is
not going to happen. You will have to do that yourself.
Really, the MIB messes with your links, perhaps you should get a better internet connection ?
At this point you are nowhere near to be of any interest to any MIB whatsoever. Once you have
a working device and once you set to start selling it, that's when you need to start to worry about
them.
Anyway, start building....
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I can understand why you think the way you do Dankie. You have not 1 piece of work to show for, not 1 photo Nata.
This is why you have your head up your ass. Please get a life and post some of your work.
dsfggh
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HMS-776 does great work, Please leave him out of this and try not to "instigate" any more feuds spud worm.
Your every post is a wast of bandwidth. Are you with the cia fbi or any of the following?
clearly you are the one trying to instigate things ...
I layed out a defence for Stan , Hydrocars made some very bold statements ... i already had many discussions with people who had success with his work and people who knew Stan personally ...
He was NOT a liar and had nothing to gain by hiding everything like some people say he did ... Theres 250+ pages of descriptions here its not made up ...
There might be a few wrong connections here and there but thats it ...
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square waves are perfectly fine......inductance and capcitance resonate on the up and down peaks anyways so it is perfectly fine.....remeber there are multiple ways to accomplish meyers but they all use the same principles.....please don't post a topic like this with a lack of knowledge and understanding of wave forms in circuits.
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yjkuk
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Gentleman,
Please stay at topic!
I want to read about facts. So please leave your ego,s at home.
I am sick and tired of these kind of conversations.
You all know it. Dankie, i hope for you that alienxxx is willing to answer here some questions.......i am not amused with the way new members are handled by you.
steve
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Gentleman,
Please stay at topic!
I want to read about facts. So please leave your ego,s at home.
I am sick and tired of these kind of conversations.
You all know it. Dankie, i hope for you that alienxxx is willing to answer here some questions.......i am not amused with the way new members are handled by you.
steve
Dont worry its just HMS-776 pretending ...
I know its you Hydrocars ... no need to hide behind Lightbulb... if you have a problem just say so...
I will not be deviated from my project , i have already been informed of the truth by somebody who "really" has more electronics wisdom in his pinky than all of us , and this is not some made up lie
You do your thing and i do my thing ... Hope to see you at the finish line
Its time for people to get busy this holidays , time if of the essence , we need a major evolution i'd be happy for people to replicate your work ...
Now stop with the bullshit , either you have something major to contribute or i will make it happen this holidays with my injector and the help of other adventurous experimenters who believe in me ... I have been right so far , lets hope it doesnt stop there .
I intended to plan an group experimentation that i believe 100% we can achieve this holidays and share info while we do , but if you wish to do so plz , the spotlight is all yours !
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On the journey of Discovering Stan meyers circuit i had noticed that not only did i discover what stan was doing but i also noticed there are others out there that do also understand what was done! Why this information has not been Brought to our / WFC research groups attention i can not understand. There are very few that Understand his work, and by no way is the information hidden but simply overlooked. However i do agree that this type of technology has been kept away from man kind for centuries by our governments.
It has been found that without the use of RESISTANT wire there will be no resonance . ! Also The fuel cell is part of the resonant circuit normally referred to as a condenser. The fuel cell will resonate with the Resistant Coil forming and LC circuit, Therefore the input power to the circuit is DC, during resonace the Resonate CHOKE is powered by AC from a DC source Due to resonance.
I have not built a Meyer's cell yet to do actual real world testing. That is in the works. However I have done hundreds of Spice models of Meyers' different circuits. In Spice, adding series resistance to the resonant chokes does have some effect in reducing current and increasing voltage. However, the inductance value has more
effect than resistance . Inductive impedance has a similar effect to pure resistance. in t he tech brief, he mentions 11.8K ohms per choke for resistance . Do you realize how many turns (feet ) of SS wire that is? The inductance value of the chokes will be function of umber of turns vs permeability of the core material chosen, the cross esctional area of the core and the magnetic length of the core. Resonance will be a function of capacitance , inductance. and frequency. In one of the videos Meyer says in effect that he added the high resistance wire to cover his patents, that it was not really necessary. Spice modeling has shown that to be true. In Spice, I can easily get 3.5kv output across 1 microrfarad f cap from a 10 volt input . That is with using copper wire in the chokes, and calculating the resistance based upon wire diameter and length. So, I would not be so swift to say that only SS resistance wire in the chokes will make the VIC work. The early patents make no mention of the SS resistance wire.
A demo circuit of a Fuel cell in Resonance would Be as followed.
1 RESISTIVE Choke hooked in series with the fuel cell, then to the 12v battery supply. Simple setup, take the coil and cell and hook in series. Then hook the Remaining Terminals to the battery. The resonate Freq is controlled by Dead Shorting the Condenser, Fuel cell. Upon Dead short Coil is Charing, Upon Release Cell is charging, A resonance occurs! This will result in the coil powered by AC even though the power source is DC. It is said to be high Freq.
I have a Spice model that shows resonance with only pure DC applied to the VIC circuit. If anyone is interested I will send them the Spice file.. You will need LTSpice from
Linear .com . The frequency of the resonance depends upon the inductance of the chokes and the value of the capacitor.
Furthing findings is is shortly related to That of Sr's Power inverter Ignition circuit able to Blow water up on demand. It is clear that a Strong capacitor discharge is needed in order to do this. Examples could be charging up a capacitor to 250 volts and then dead shorting it under water, the amount of energy released is so powerful that water blows up instantly on demand. However the Capacitor discharge is coming from the inverter many fail to Replicate it. All though im not sure of his Newer version of the small coil in his videos, its almost as if he was making jokes.
How do you propose to dead short the capacitor under water ? Charging the cap to 250 volts is the easy part. Making it "dead short" would not be. Wouldn't the shorting be a function of the "Dielectric Strength" of the dielectric, which in this case is water ? Have you actually done this or are you offering an untested hypothesis ?
However The Fuel Cell resonate Circuit Is unique and does relate to discharging a capacitor under water to gain explosions of water. It is problem matic to use Capacitors for discharge, what i believe to be the Vic is much better. The way the circuit is setup due to resonance Water can be exploded on demand far greater than what normal discharge capacitors can do. These circuits also relate to FREE ENERGY and much more. * 3 phase is related as well.
I agree that the VIC circuit is unique., and that it is problematic to discharge a water capacitor ( on demand). However I think it is a leap to conclude that there is the ubiquitous "Free Energy" involved. That is unless you have an actual system up and running that can demonstrate this. (i.e. over unity. )
To further understand The VIC, To understand where Free Energy comes from, to understand how to place a freq across a fuel cell and get it to resonate all the circuits are clearly the same. I honestly think this is some of the circuits hidden away from us that we shouldn't be getting our hands on.
To understand what is going on, what can be done and what you lack. Please look very very very very very hard at the old time Auto ignition circuit. Learn that the Coil is powered by AC and not DC. Also learn how the auto spark works. And most of all remember, to get this type of resonance i believe you have to have resistant wire!
The auto ignition circuit is labeled as an LC circuit! For less confusion ignore magnetos.
If this post did not seem like the most important post you have read in this wfc technology, then i highly suggest you read it again. Then if your still skeptical i suggest you get an ignition coil and a battery, a Normal AC UNIT capacitor and find you some schematics and start playing. This circuit is clearly resonating. Without Resonance you would not be driving your car down the road! ! !
There is no mystery or magic involved with an LC resonant circuit. There is nothing magical about an auto ignition circuit. or a CRT flyback circuit that delivers over 20KV to a CRT. However, using a water capacitor as the C in the LC circuit is somewhat novel. Others have used water as a dielectric for making high voltage in the past ( Google "J.C Martin" ) But ....... based upon what I have seen so far duplicating Meyers' claimed results is elusive and difficult based upon the seemingly ambiguous data in the patents, briefs and videos. So pardon me if I am not so sure that yours was to most important post ever concerning the WFC. However I will take it under advisement .
Blowing water up on demand DC is no longer good, AC WILL overtake DC and When the public scientist start to realize what is going on this Technology WILL SKYROCKET!
Are you saying that you can crack water with AC ? Since water as a dielectric is highly polar in nature, how do you propose that ? Meyer insisted that it took unipolar ( DC) pulses for his technology to work.
It was hard for me to share this information because i have not yet tested every technique, But i have tested enough to see that this is the road your gov's dont want you to take, I highly recommend you look very deeply into what i am pointing out to you.
Now what i know, and what i am working on right now has become public, a very large auto ignition circuit is under investigation.
When you have actually tested your theories and and have actual results please make the data public.
Bill