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Electronics => Electronics => High Voltage => Topic started by: Steve on August 31, 2008, 21:29:14 pm
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Hi,
If resonance was involved in the Stan Meyer setups, it should have looked like this.
(Thanks to Richy Burnett, http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html )
The tank circuit is charging the capacitor to twice the voltage as the powersupply is providing.
Then you close the circuit to discharge the cap into the wfc.
Maybe the circuit needs the be cut off from the powersupply when the switch is on to the WFC......any thought from you outhere?
Hopes this helps
br
steve
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Damn...we should have known that one tonight if i hadnt burnt a transistor :D
Hydropower
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Hi,
The idea on this circuit is: AMPS
Almost no amps for charging, but lots of amps from DISCHARGING
Example:
I charge a cap to 600V. (I use a 300V powersupply and the circuit uses resonance to get it up to 600V)
The resistance of the WFC tubecell of my has a resistance of less then 1 ohm.....
For calculation, lets take 1 ohm as a number.
When i discharge a 600V cap with a 1 ohm resistor, how much amps do you think will flow?
Yes, 600 amps for a brief moment.....
Does that make you all think?
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Steve
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It is very interesting...thank you stevie1001
Hydropower
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Thanks Stevie,
Very exciting circuit indeed. Those are some high amps. The potential for very high gas output is possible with this setup.
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After doing more mind breaking thinking.........
I added a resistor , so the time is longer for the discharge. So less amps are blown at once, and the discharge duration is longer.
This can be needed if you see and experience a deadshort on yr tubes or plates.
The last schematic is showing a new place for the wfc. In that case, you can do the switching on 1 place.
Hopes this helps.
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Steve
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Stevie,
What program are you using for your circit diagram pic? I save the pics to my computer, and then I can't pull them up later. Thanks.
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Stevie,
What program are you using for your circit diagram pic? I save the pics to my computer, and then I can't pull them up later. Thanks.
My last adjustment are done in MS paint...........
Normally i draw with MS Visio.
br
steve
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Thanks very much.
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Capacitors:
A capacitor's storage potential, or capacitance, is measured in units called farads. A 1-farad capacitor can store one coulomb (coo-lomb) of charge at 1 volt.
A coulomb is 6.25e18 (6.25 * 10^18, or 6.25 billion billion) electrons. One amp represents a rate of electron flow of 1 coulomb of electrons per second, so a 1-farad
capacitor can hold 1 amp-second of electrons at 1 volt.
A 1-farad capacitor would typically be pretty big. It might be as big as a can of tuna or a 1-liter soda bottle, depending on the voltage it can handle. For this reason,
capacitors are typically measured in microfarads (millionths of a farad).
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steve
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You wanna see some force of discharging capacitors?
http://205.243.100.155/frames/shrinkergallery.html
Br
Steve
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Stevie,
Thanks for sharing this link. Pretty incredible stuff.
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Hi Stevie,
I have studied Ravi's works which constantly referred to Dave
Lawton's research and Stanley Meyer. I have also studied Bob Boyce's
works. They are all successful to a certain extent but still come
short at achieving levels which Stanley Meyer was able to
demonstrate. I agree that High Voltage along with a dielectric coating
and an outer enclosure to reduce Amp Leakage is the secret which
many have overlooked.
The following information supports my opinion.
Stanley Meyer's entire, "Water Fuel Cell Technical
Brief", "The Birth of New Technology".
The following url is the 243 page pdf file:
http://waterpoweredcar.com/stan.html
Yes in Chapter 7, "VIC Matrix Circuit", on page 7-5, where he is
discussing,"Capacitance". I will quote the last part of his
paragraph.
"both magnet wire sizes (622/623) uses solder able Nysol (Polyurethane
Nylon Jacket) insulation enamel coating as a electrical shield-
material ... all dielectric coatings have an effective 3KV per mil
dielectric value and formulated specifically to endure automotive
temperature range from _40 to 150 Degrees Celsius." (Excuse me for
not putting the little degree symbols and spelling out Degrees. My
key board is limited in characters; although the quote is accurate).
Ok let me break it down for you.
The first part of Stanley Meyer's quote is the following:
"both magnet wire sizes (622/623) uses solder able Nysol (Polyurethane
Nylon Jacket) insulation enamel coating as a electrical shield-
material"
It pertains to the primary and secondary coils of his Voltage
Intensifier Circuit.
Now this is where it starts to get interesting. The second part of
his statement:
"... all dielectric coatings have an effective 3KV per mil dielectric
value and formulated specifically to endure automotive temperature
range from _40 to 150 Degrees Celsius."
It is the "..." which is so crucial here. Stanley Meyer gave us a
general idea of what he was building; although he did not make it
crystal clear. He wanted to protect his patent. The "..." implies
that there is more exact information which he is not revealing to us;
although he is specifically talking about,"all dielectric coatings"
in the second part of his statement. This implies that he is talking
about (66/67) of Figure 7-1, Exciter Array (ER) (Capacitor) and
Natural Water Dielectric Liquid Resistance (Re). He specifically
states that "... all dielectric coatings have an effective 3KV per
mil dielectric value and formulated specifically to endure automotive
temperature range from _40 to 150 Degrees Celsius."
Ok, from that I researched and found the following products to use:
http://www.mgchemicals.com/downloads/appguide/appguide0404.pdf?
PHPSESSID=65640b5e77c9bc2223be3c003be294ac
Urethane has a dielectric value of 2650.
Super Corona Dope has a dielectric value of 4100.
I=E/R
This reduces current within the cell. Hi current flow within the cell is
not what we want, although hi-voltage is exactly what we need to
stretch the covailent bonds to the breaking point.
So Yes I believe that coating the plates and encasing the SS316L
tubes in the, "DELRIN", tube structure to control Amp Leakage, (ie
Figure 3-25), is the secret which people have been overlooking.
The Hi-Voltage value will be effected by various physical factors of
the cell.
1) Distance between tube surfaces.
2) Amp Leakage within cell's environment.
3) Thickness / irregularities of dialectric coating.
4) Water purity.
5) Temperature / environment of cell.
6) Quality and Consistancy of the design / manufacturing process.
The easiest way to determine the Hi-Voltage value after you have
built your Resonant Cavity (Tube Pair) having applied dielectric
coating to the surface of the tubes and enclosed within a Delrin
Tube chamber is this.
Take a Hi-Voltage Flyback transformer or some version of power
supply which can produce 12KV - 15KV and vary little amperage.
http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/hvinvert.htm
Place a variable pot or rheostat on the primary side of transformer
circuit. Connect the Hi-Voltage to the Water Fuel Cell (WFC). Turn
the lights to vary dim or off. Set rheostat to lowest voltage position
and turn on power. Slowly increase rheostat and look for a halo effect
within the cell. This will be a faint glow or flicker of arcking within the
cell, between the anode (+) and the cathode (-) tubes. Once you start
seeing this take a voltage reading at the primary and secondary. Use
Hi-Voltage probes for the secondary side of flyback. Now reduce your
voltage just till it goes away. Take a voltage reading at the primary and
secondary again. Subtract the primary low from primary high, same for
secondary low from secondary high. Now you have determined the
primary and secondary voltage values for the circuit. This is the
maximum contious voltage strength that should be applied to your specific
cell. The difference between the primary low and primary high will be the
voltage to build your PWM to so that you can control the cell, by adjusting
the duty cycle of the pulsing DC.
I have not used this yet.
Due to considerable expenses that I have to account for by mid
October, and the fact that my income has dropped by 30% and
unfortunately no improvement expected; I can not go through the cost
to proceed with the supporting experiment. I have not gone throught
the process of calculating the Inductor size as of yet.
That is my opinion and I
wanted to share my thoughts with you.
Your Brother In Research,
Robert Woodson
(AKA: HydroRamPac)
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Hi,
Nice discussion, but how do you get a 1000v across a wfc?
The wfc will deadshort.
H2Opower, you write that you do not short the wfc if the water is moving?
H2Opower, can you show us some experiments? Like vids of yr work?
I would love to see yr HV setup working.
What my schematics shows is a way of getting 1000v discharged into a wfc and if you do that on a specific speed,
you will get lots of amps in the water. Provided by the real tank capacitor.
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Steve
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This is a great discussion. Very interesting indeed.
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Hi,
Nice discussion, but how do you get a 1000v across a wfc?
The wfc will deadshort.
H2Opower, you write that you do not short the wfc if the water is moving?
H2Opower, can you show us some experiments? Like vids of yr work?
I would love to see yr HV setup working.
What my schematics shows is a way of getting 1000v discharged into a wfc and if you do that on a specific speed,
you will get lots of amps in the water. Provided by the real tank capacitor.
br
Steve
Use OHM's Law:
I=E/R
You can use a dielectric compound (ie Super Corona Dope 4100 ohms baked) or add a resistor or pot (ie 1000 - 4000 ohms) on to the ground side of the circuit.
How much current or how little do you want?
I= 1000v / 4100 ohms
I= .2439 amps
Hopefully this helps.
Your Brother in Research,
Robert
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H2OPower,
Thanks for the clarification.
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Is this what are you describing h20 ?
Do you think that an electron extraction circuit should be added to consume the electron buildup in the water ?
hmask
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Very nice drawing Hmask.
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Thanks H2OPower!!
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H20power, can you please elaborate
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Sorry for not catching that before h20
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hydrogenmask,
You might want to do a search for h2opower. He has a lot of posts in many different places. There is a lot of information in his posts. I'm going to try and organize his posts and some others in my computer so that I have easier access to everything and then I can also organize it. It's been hectic, so this may be a ways out.