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Stanley Meyer => Stanley Meyer => Stanley Meyer => Topic started by: HMS-776 on August 24, 2008, 07:21:10 am
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This is great stuff. Thanks for sharing it with us.
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I'd like to hear anything you are willing to share with us. Thanks.
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This looks very promising ;D
And a lot easier to construct.
I like this thread, Very helpful
Keep up the good work!! ;D
Spike
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small comment:
I measured yesterday my carcoils and they have exactly 11.3kohm
That was a little surprise to me...
I must think on this....
It could match in my theory on stan.
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Steve
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Yeah it's 11.6K ohms per coil.
It states in the Tech Brief that .006 430SS has a resistance of 60 micro Ohms per cm.
There are 30.48cm per foot or 2.54 cm per inch.
1 ohm equals 1000000 micro ohms so 60 micro ohms would be.0000060.
Do the math for this and I think your going to end up with a few thousand feet of wire...
Personally I don't think this is right. I think stan might have meant 60 milli ohms
If i were you I would get the wire, cut off a foot of it, and measure it and go from there....Once we know for sure we can do the math, otherwise it's just a waste of time.
lol even copper has more resistance than that , with a program provided by wiretron.com/ i can see that 304 ss of same diameter has 18 ohms per foot , that was an erroe i also made, its a typo ofc
the wire?
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,540.0.html
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Very Sweet Information. Thanks!!
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Nice, i am will test my version of that tomorrow when my stuff arrive. hopefully.. :) My version will be 30 kv. I have to buy some rubber glows with this voltage... ;D
I think this might be one of Dr. Dingel's early designs:
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Nice idea , seems plausible tho , also seems like a pain to actually get together.
its not meyers
lots of ifs and maybes
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well, it looks interesting to me too.
I watched the video andthe reaction is nice of the water.
So, he chipped of a little bit of emaille of the wire. So, no fully insulation here.
Just a little anode and a big anode.
Looks like puharich......
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Steve
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One thing we may want to consider in the future is resonance in the circuit, and the size of the water cap.
To get resonance I think we'll most likely need to build our WFC to have the similiar capacitance of a spark plug.
From what I have read the average spark plug seems to be around 40-60pF, correct me if I'm wrong.
I think we need just the right size capacitor if were wanting to hit resonance and make the most out of our circuit.
After all ignition coils are not really capable of high frequencies.
Take the standard V-8 ignition coil, operating at 6500RPM's.
6500RPM's X 8 =52,000 cycles per minute/ 60 =866 cycles per second....So with a V-8 coil were probably looking at a max frequency just under or around 1kHz.
I ahve seen coils operate at higher frequencies (even 8kHz) but I think if we want to make it most efficient we need to keep it in the ranges it's meant to be driven in.
The size of the cap needs to be fairly small, most likely the same size of a spark plug or near the same size. With that we can achieve resonance and a most efficient coil output.
Wikipedia-Saprk Plug
"The plug is connected to the high voltage generated by an ignition coil or magneto. As the electrons flow from the coil, a voltage difference develops between the center electrode and side electrode. No current can flow because the fuel and air in the gap is an insulator, but as the voltage rises further, it begins to change the structure of the gases between the electrodes. Once the voltage exceeds the dielectric strength of the gases, the gases become ionized. The ionized gas becomes a conductor and allow electrons to flow across the gap. Spark plugs usually require voltage in excess of 20,000 volts to 'fire' properly."
I think when it comes to resonant cavity we should use a non-linear cyl resonant cavity as SM shows in his patent.
(http://)
But before we do anything else...The best thing is to test the ignition coil with VIC and wfc to make sure it works.
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To get resonance I think we'll most likely need to build our WFC to have the similiar capacitance of a spark plug.
From what I have read the average spark plug seems to be around 40-60pF, correct me if I'm wrong.
Well yes you could tune the water capacitor to fit the right capacity or you just change the frequency to hit resonance again.
all you must know is the inductivity of the inductor and the capacity of the wfc. two easy math formulas.
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haithar,
Sounds interesting. Would you please elaborate? What's easy for you may not be easy for some of the rest of us.
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HMS-776,
Thank you very much.
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haithar,
Sounds interesting. Would you please elaborate? What's easy for you may not be easy for some of the rest of us.
Okay since some people aren't really well in math, i'll explain a bit more. Saying look up the terms doesn't always help when you are simply not good at understanding math by yourself ;)
I'll use the information of this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC_circuit
The frequency you want to use in your circuit is called f.
Given:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/1/8/4/184ebbb90449a634232e5a0bf9089159.png)
The w (omega) is 2*pi*f, so we have:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/c/5/9/c590ada4adc34c253de22ee959b8be5c.png)
L is the inductivity of the inductor (measured in Henry), C is the capacity of the used capacitor (measured in Farad).
The simple way is getting a measuring device for both, they are cheap nowadays and more or less accurate. The most exact way would be getting both data via math.
Start with the capacitor, the formula:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/c/3/9/c398c6d4bebd070bb92b186575881980.png)
All you need to know is the Area (A, m²) of the plates (or the tubes, depends on what you are using) and the distance between both (d, in metres). the "e" is the dielectric constant.
The inductor math depends on what type you are using, there is a pretty good explanation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductor#Formulae
So now it isn't as important as before which type of ignition coil you would use or how long the tubes or how big the plates of your cell are. Just calculate the new resonant frequency and everything's fine.
If you are using an ordinary capacitor and the water capacitor somewhere else in your layout/schematics the formulas are still the same.
I hope some more do understand the frequency thing now (if you want to achieve electrical resonance!).
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well , w/e freq that allows highest voltage you get 5 or 10 turn pots and sweep
i dont feel resonance is key here , pulsed opposite magnetic fields from bifilars is what does the work on the water
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well , w/e freq that allows highest voltage you get 5 or 10 turn pots and sweep
i dont feel resonance is key here , pulsed opposite magnetic fields from bifilars is what does the work on the water
Explain further pls. The magnetic field does not directly go through the wfc, also both fields annihilate themselves if connected as for example the Dave Lawton circuit recommends. So the energy stored in the inductors is nearly zero. How can that perform any work?
Bifilar inductors are wire resistors.
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http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,478.0.html
i think this post shows what i mean by opposite electrical fields