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Title: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 11, 2023, 16:46:47 pm
My theoretical calculations based on laboratory experiments will be presented here.
Laboratory experiments will also be presented here.
Use auto translation of Russian subtitles into English


https://youtu.be/FwPpvW67kcI
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 11, 2023, 23:55:53 pm
Hello forum guests http://www.ionizationx.com
I took a close look at Stanley Meyer's fuel generator and its fuel cell on January 19, 2021.
And he achieved good results in the development of the Meyer Fuel Cell Theory.
The Internet is full of electrical circuits, technical solutions and disputes that the Meyer cell is a fully working prototype and many opposite opinions that this is a scam from Stanley Meyer.
However, no one provided the calculations and physico-mathematical models of the Meyer Fuel Cell as evidence.
Like everyone else, I watched a video with his participation from a conference in New Zealand.
In his explanations, I did not find any contradictions in what he says.
However, again in this video, he simply explained, but did not describe his theory in a formulaic form.
He left behind many patents, but did not publish his theory in a formulaic form.
If he published his theory in the form of formulas, there would be no more secrets. And all his patents could be circumvented.
I approached his theory from different angles. Along the way, I studied the Proteus 8 program, learned how to etch boards using the LUT method, figured out Arduino programming, and I had to learn a lot of things along the way.
Finally, on July 17, 2021, I had a breakthrough and started deriving Stanley Meyer's Fuel Cell Theory in formula form.
I had to endure "attacks" just like that, attacks, and not criticism from inadequate personalities who did not bother to carefully consider my calculations and find errors in formal logic.
No constructive dialogue could be established with them, they simply threw out a bunch of information from textbooks without building them into a complete logical structure.
I ended up just banning them. Why would I waste time sorting through unrelated information that sits in their head.
That is, I formalized Stanley Meyer's theory in other words, described physical processes using formulas.
This topic is about just that.

I recorded all my actions and posted them on YouTube.
In fact, YouTube became my video diary about how I studied Stanley Meyer's fuel cell.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 11, 2023, 23:58:55 pm
"Do not go with the knowledge of Electrolysis into the Meyer Cell"

What does it mean?
This means exactly one thing, that Faraday electrolysis and the Meyer cell work on different principles.
Although they have the same result: getting Brown's gas.
Faraday electrolysis works on the principle of a redox reaction.
At the same time, ELECTRONS on the electrodes and in the electrical circuit are active participants in this Chemical reaction, and IONS are active participants in the electrolyte environment.
The Meyer cell works on the principle of polarization of a molecule followed by disintegration through a covalent bond.
At the same time, an active participant in this Physical process is a pulsating Electric field

THAT is Faraday electrolysis is CHEMISTRY
And the Meyer cell is Physics
Remember this once and for all, do not go into Physics (Field Theory) with the knowledge of Chemistry (Electrochemistry)

And now a little more
In the Meyer cell, everything is done in order to remove the redox reaction
To do this, CURRENT is prevented - the flow of Electrons in the environment of the electrical circuit and on the electrodes
And IONS are also removed from the water, that is, distilled water is used to show that this is not electrolysis.
While plain water can also be used, the purer the better.
Since there can be no Faraday electrolysis in distilled water due to the absence of IONS.
That is, in the Meyer cell, they do everything possible to remove all the causes that lead to Faraday electrolysis.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 13, 2023, 09:51:08 am
No formulas, just a verbal description of the Stanley Meyer process,
please use auto translation of subtitles



https://youtu.be/FwPpvW67kcI
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 13, 2023, 22:07:14 pm
Hello welcome to the forum!

I watched your video… yes it’s possible we may need a oxide insulator.. have you read tay he Han patent? And David Haitin?

They indeed use high dielectric constant ceramics… I tried to develop something like this here in Brazil at the university however was difficult to conform the barium titanate into a solid plate or something testable…


I believe Meyer relies on very short pulsing alone with some dc current that saturates the plates with current…

There is a double layer formed where we place a metal on water that is what makes the difference metals potential

Is the actual force they hold their electrons…
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2023, 05:38:37 am
Hi Fabio!
Have you watched Ravi Raju's channel?
He has a calcite layer on his cathode. But it is not stable in its physical characteristics.

https://youtu.be/leAtiaCygng

https://youtu.be/k7E-QJf-xRQ

Ravi spent 4 weeks building up this layer (training the electrodes).
This time can be reduced to 1 hour.
It is necessary to take two strips of AISI 304 (316/316L) with a gap of 1 mm.
Prepare the electrolyte distilled water 9 parts and 1 part saturated baking soda solution (NaON).
You connect the power supply from the laptop with stainless steel and put it in the electrolyte for 1 hour.
After an hour, there will be a dielectric layer on one electrode.
Then you check what is the difference between a cell with a dielectric and without a dielectric.
In one case, you will have large and transparent bubbles.in another case, there will be no bubbles, but there will be something like "milk"
https://youtu.be/p7OIg2DBsq0
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2023, 09:18:25 am
I tried many types of conditioning of the electrodes… I even had them covered with palladium but actually the only difference I tried to measure is the minimum voltage rewuired for electrolysis…

I watched his work a lot too but never got this layer in any electrode… in Italy the water was very hard and still there no layer I could verify

Did you used the same water?

I already tried also polishing the electrodes


What type of ss u use?

One thing I noticed is that the depending on the chemicals present the bubbles are different.. also the temperature changes it’s característics…

Let’s try to find what influences the bubbles… the description we get from Meyer is that gallons of water is converted real quick and this mean sprite like bubbles like a refrigerant can shake opening

That’s why I recently believe that he may even spend low energy but to trigger the reaction may not be so simple

I don’t remember the exact number now but the force of attraction between the ions is inversely proportional to the concentration of ions… if I remember well at 1ppm the attraction between the ions is in the kv/mm range

The force that holds the water molecule is in the MV range or higher…

At the double layer formed on water electrode interface there is 5MV/mm again if I remember well… this is because the voltage drop is limited to a very sharp region… nano to mícron distance… so half volt gives million per milimetre

Maybe if water is pure enough and we can get over the ions than water molecules may be able to get real flexed and maybe take into a sort of resonance…

If all that don’t work the only way I see of providing the water a strong enough electric field would be to use laser

If you have a book on the ground you need to apply a force greater than gravity to make it go up

Similarly water molecule has its electrons at ground state… So to get it to oscillate we need to apply an electric field greater than the electric field holding the molecule… that plus a pulsating field may be able to split and keep the water molecules apart to be able to get them out as gas…

I seen titanium electrodes are used for using sun light as catalyst…

I’m thinking of a design inspired on water treatment and ozone generators of a tube with openings with a lamp inserted into it… so basically the light come from the inside… water would cool it by the flow…

If you think about the electromagnetic wave from the light will be perpendicular to the electric field…

Meyer said visible lights could be used somewhere…

I think that at a certain polarization it will like tune to the light frequency… or maybe only the right frequency is useful

Any heat emits infra reds so I’m not totally sure if the laser is needed… but for me makes sense… there is some materials that also emit infrared by absorbing heat… that may be interesting too

The preferred wavelength could be that for the stretching of the molecule

But I’m starting to think that depending on the angle of incidence it could maybe lower the required ev




Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2023, 09:49:59 am
I didn't understand. What is SS ?


For the Stanley Meyer process, it doesn't matter what kind of water.
The oxide film layer obtained in the NaOH electrolyte had a resistance of 300 Mega ohms. Water has a resistance from 8 to 300 ohms. The resistance of the oxide film + water resistance = 300M ohms + 300 ohms.
Accordingly, there will be no voltage drawdown.
But experiments have shown that the NaOH-based oxide film loses its physical properties over time. And as a result, Faraday electrolysis is obtained
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2023, 10:18:10 am
SS = stainless steel .. I was asking you what grade you used..

You could try to cook the electrode after forming the said layer..

I’m not sure what’s in that layer… sure is not Na … so is probably something you get from the water …


Aluminum can form a nice coating… but I also cracks… there is one kind of material called aluminum nitride that is used today in the packaging insulation.of power igbts and diodes … not sure how to make it

The difficulty’s here is the difference in expansion coefficients.. so it will crack the oxide layer if the underneath layer is not expanding equally…
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2023, 10:51:46 am
During Faraday electrolysis, molecular Hydrogen and Oxygen are formed on the electrodes, so the bubbles are large and transparent
During the Meyer process, atomic Oxygen and Hydrogen are formed; therefore, a layer of "milk" is formed in the water and there are no large bubbles

SS = AISI 316L

I have not experimented with aluminum. But I know that aluminum oxide gives resistance to electrical breakdown of 3000 volts. But there is a complex technology for obtaining oxide.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2023, 11:42:59 am
My first video in which I began to output a Physical and Mathematical Model of a Stanley Meyer fuel cell. It all started with him

Please use an auto subtitle translator

https://youtu.be/Kw9Az9hpHRk
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2023, 06:51:53 am
Physical and mathematical model and electrical circuit of the fuel cell.
A physical and mathematical model and an electrical circuit with an oxide film on a minus electrode are also presented.
The fundamental principles of the construction of the electrical circuit of the fuel cell are explained.

Please use an auto subtitle translator

https://youtu.be/CeEH-gUUkZE
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2023, 10:05:09 am
Meyer's fuel cell theory, for electricians with a tolerance level of at least 2 groups.
I tell you the mechanism of formation of the upper layer of "milk".
As a result of the decomposition of water by the Meyer method, an upper layer of whitish or milky color is formed.
this video describes this mechanism

Please use an auto subtitle translator

https://youtu.be/AdOvJXRm4Qg
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2023, 05:12:05 am
The Geometric Coefficients of the Meyer Fuel Cell are Calculated and presented.
The geometric coefficients for the inductance of the plus and minus plates of the Fuel cells have not been calculated.
Based on the presented models, it can be assumed for what reasons electrolysis takes place on non-connected electrodes.

Please use an auto subtitle translator

https://youtu.be/8TeZlLdpWaE
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2023, 08:44:10 am
I watched your videos…

im not sure if this milky bubbles mean anything but is good that you are questioning yourself about it.. and im not quite sure if your balancing things correctly…
oxygen have 8 electrons of its own when it takes hydrogen electrons it becomes negative since it will have 9 to 10 electrons in its cloud
in water we have a majority of ions like H3+ and OH- of course there are other types but this are the most common
this mean that there is packs of 3 hydrogen atoms that should have 3 electrons linking them and there is one missing…
on the other side you have Oxygen with 9 electrons with a hydrogen atom being the positive
there is a certain amount of ions in water that you simply cant get rid of since its from the self ionization of the water.. and it increases with temperature and with electric fields
im not sure if meyer was using pure water however what i know from zilions of tests i did is that conductive water will only see high voltage if is one electrode at a time… or if really some real serious amps are placed real short i mean if you have a cell with 10 Ohms of resistance you must apply 100 amps to get a real 1000 volt across the cell… the capacitance only make it harder in the sense that a capacitor voltage dont want to change it need amps to change

Thats why in my plans is to work with very pure water and high voltage to start with…

Somehow i think that the

Eccles patent says that the monoatomic gas is generated by the collision of the ions with the molecules and that subsequently they form diatomic releasing also heat

I think that if we have already a molecule in water that is 3 hydrogens with a positive charge it could be a target to focus on… they will be closer to the negative electrode..  what if they simply expel the charged atom during the reaction and form h2? making the H+ responsible by ionizing a subsequent water molecule? Likely what if oxygen expel its electrons away? How fast would it come?

Meyer talk about the time share rate of the electrons and he took that out of Tomlin Atomic physics book where it show that the atoms have a region where its minimum energy is never zero.. that means that there may water molecules that may get close to become H2 spontaneously and other that don’t.. Like the distribution of kinetic energy inside a hot water cup, there is molecules that are cold and others that are hot inside the temperature we see is a medium but the molecules are dancing and exchanging its heat not equally among them all the time…

1 Faraday = (1 Amp * 1 second )/ 1 Volt      Meaning in a 1 faraday capacitor you need to apply 1 Ampere for 1 second and it will raise its voltage by 1 volt
so a capacitor fight a change in voltage demanding current

likely

1Henry = (1 Volt * 1 second)/1 Amp     Meaning in a 1 Henry inductor will have a current of 1 Ampere after 1 second that you apply 1 Volt to it
and an inductor fight a change in current with presenting a voltage

the second video the translation of youtube was not really good or maybe you talk to fast for it haha in the middle there was words like uranium byzantium i dont know if it was correct.. could you explain a little better please?

From what i understood you show how a capacitance and a resistance is calculated, but didnt understood the part of the inductance you presented…

If you apply 2 volts to a cell with KOH you get some current flow.. if water is pure you get no flow.. .

this flow happens because you actually is taking the K ion out of the water into the electrode however it wont survive in a water medium as K so it ionize again another molecule and get back to the solution..

K is plenty of electrons and is somehow a few radioactive.. it ionizes well with water because of its ability to give up an electron thereto forming K+ ion..

I believe that if the right condition is met the water start behaving like a short ckt and it mean that at that point current must be provided to at least cancel this ions.. otherwise molecules wont get touched

I guess thats why the bifilar coil is made

somehow the 4,63ev keep coming.. when i research .. this is the energy of formation of the H3+ ion i guess.. UVC range..








 
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2023, 10:28:40 am
In general, I agree throughout your post, but not for each individual paragraph.
In conventional Faraday electrolysis, the bubbles are transparent and large.
In the Meyer process, there are practically no bubbles, but there is "milk".
In this video, I suggested and described how this "milk" can form.

The presence of "milk" is a sign that the Meyer process is in progress.
In my experiments and calculations, I make several approximations: coarse, average, exact.
If a rough approximation shows a good result, I no longer do an average and exact approximation.
This saves money and time.

I don't go too deep into the ions.
You are too deeply immersed in the topic and "behind the foliage you do not see the tree itself."
Sorry for the allegory.

I don't know about the Ackles patent
But I know about patents that they are designed to legally protect inventions without disclosing know-how.
Meyer succeeded in this. Patents have expired, but his know-how has not been disclosed.

The fuel cell only works as a capacitor at one point in time. At another point in time, it works as a conductor.
And we need to launch an electric field that will not be interfered with by electrons.
All these moments must be spaced apart in time and space (fuel cell geometry).
That is, I want to say that it is not entirely correct to consider a fuel cell only as a capacitor.
Yes, for calculations it is necessary to consider the fuel cell as a capacitor.
Because there are no other models for calculations.
This is the engineering contradiction that needs to be resolved.

Regarding auto translation, specify the timing, I will decipher the word you do not understand.
At the moment I don't have time to translate all 200 videos.

May I ask about education in physics or chemistry for you
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2023, 10:59:58 am
There is a molecule.
To decompose it into hydrogen and oxygen, conditions must be created.
These conditions are created by the fuel cell.
In order for the fuel cell to create conditions for the molecule, a high-voltage circuit VIC is needed.
The high voltage circuit VIC creates the conditions for the fuel cell.
In order for the high-voltage circuit VIC to create conditions for the fuel cell, conditions must be created.
These conditions are created by the electrical circuit.

We need to focus on this logical chain.
Molecule -> Fuel cell -> High voltage circuit -> Electrical diagram.
The way out of this paradigm is the extra expenditure of resources, money and time.
For this reason, I am deep into the formation of "milk", the ions did not sink
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2023, 20:20:29 pm
During Faraday electrolysis, molecular Hydrogen and Oxygen are formed on the electrodes, so the bubbles are large and transparent
During the Meyer process, atomic Oxygen and Hydrogen are formed; therefore, a layer of "milk" is formed in the water and there are no large bubbles

SS = AISI 316L

I have not experimented with aluminum. But I know that aluminum oxide gives resistance to electrical breakdown of 3000 volts. But there is a complex technology for obtaining oxide.

I've already created milky fog, and large bubble fog with plain electrolysis. If your electrodes are very close, like 0.1mm, you'll have big bubbles and no white fog. If your electrodes are 1 or 2mm apart, you'll have the milky cloud.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2023, 02:24:05 am
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I've already created milky fog, and large bubble fog with plain electrolysis. If your electrodes are very close, like 0.1mm, you'll have big bubbles and no white fog. If your electrodes are 1 or 2mm apart, you'll have the milky cloud.



What voltage are you applying, constant or pulsed?
The voltage value?
What is the current consumption?
What is the value of water resistance at 0.1 mm and at 1-2 mm
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2023, 12:21:57 pm
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I've already created milky fog, and large bubble fog with plain electrolysis. If your electrodes are very close, like 0.1mm, you'll have big bubbles and no white fog. If your electrodes are 1 or 2mm apart, you'll have the milky cloud.



What voltage are you applying, constant or pulsed?
The voltage value?
What is the current consumption?
What is the value of water resistance at 0.1 mm and at 1-2 mm

always pulsed.

For the 2mm cell, about 300v with 1000v peaks, for the 0.1mm, about 50v with 70v peaks.
for the 2mm cell, 1amp rms on the input with 20 or 30 amps peak, for the 0,1mm cell, 2amp rms input, 10amp peak.

water resistance at 2mm about 100 ohms. water resistance at 0.1, is very low, about 1 ohm.

It was all pure electrolysis. The higher the voltage, more current you got for a resistive load like the cell. I never saw any increase in the voltage making the amps go down, its always a linear relationship.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2023, 12:58:02 pm
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always pulsed.

For the 2mm cell, about 300v with 1000v peaks, for the 0.1mm, about 50v with 70v peaks.
for the 2mm cell, 1amp rms on the input with 20 or 30 amps peak, for the 0,1mm cell, 2amp rms input, 10amp peak.

water resistance at 2mm about 100 ohms. water resistance at 0.1, is very low, about 1 ohm.

It was all pure electrolysis. The higher the voltage, more current you got for a resistive load like the cell. I never saw any increase in the voltage making the amps go down, its always a linear relationship.

You can show a video of your experiment
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 18, 2023, 09:07:46 am
Continuation of the previous video in which the formulas of the geometric inductance coefficients of the plates and tubes of the fuel cell were not derived.
Now all the coefficients of the fuel cell geometry are derived:
- resistance of tubes
- inductance of tubes
- capacity of the dielectric (water)
- resistance of the dielectric (water).
Substituting the known reference data into an equivalent scheme, it is possible to theoretically simulate the operation of a Fuel cell on Proteus, to display their graphs.

I made a mistake in the geometric coefficient formula for cylinders.
Should be (D/2)- d)^2
That is, I missed the division of D by 2

https://youtu.be/xpnKDwGCv8Y
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 19, 2023, 05:31:04 am
We check the reliability of the Physical and Mathematical Model and the Equivalent Electrical Circuit by an alternative method.
We need this to check the correctness of our FMM and EEС.
Verification of the theory is mandatory and necessary in order to verify the correctness of the conclusion.
The model was made on the basis of Electrical Engineering and tested by an alternative method from the Physics of the processes occurring in the Fuel Cell.
An alternative test confirmed our conclusions and the correctness of the Physical and Mathematical Model of the Fuel Cell.
That is, Physics confirmed Electrical Engineering (Electronics).

https://youtu.be/nwKJY-bVyfA
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 20, 2023, 04:23:27 am
Introduction to the study of the Oxide Film.
It tells why there is a lot of resistance in one direction and minimal resistance in the other direction.
It also tells about different types of Current and their functional difference.


https://youtu.be/mINvE4kXOzo
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 22, 2023, 07:45:35 am
The secret of Stanley Meyer's Fuel Cell is partially revealed.
All processes in the Fuel Cell occur not due to the conduction current, but due to the displacement current.
Formulas for the theoretical calculation of the Fuel Cell are derived

https://youtu.be/oEmyHhCK26o
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2023, 06:01:44 am
Faraday electrolysis is a parasitic phenomenon in Stanley Meyer's process.
The Stanley Meyer process is also called voltrolysis.
How to know that in the Meyer cell there is voltrolysis and there is no Faraday electrolysis.
Low current consumption, less than 1 amp.
No water heating (in some cases drop in water temperature)
Supply voltage over 1 kilovolt and no voltage drop.
Emission of atomic Oxygen and Hydrogen (accompanied by the appearance of "milk").
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2023, 06:17:20 am
Displacement current is ac isn’t?

How the molecules get converted?

Stanley Meyer never talked or mention about oxide films

The only thing he cited in one of his patent is another patent from tay he Han about barium titanate and water splitting

I believe you should keep your eye on your findings but also you should not stick to only this…

I think can say without prove that the cleanest is the electrode the better…

Hope you have time to read my hipóteses on how the cell resonate and generate electric power at same time as hydrogen

I’m quite certain that is a physical reaction also rather than only chemical… anything that is not a catalyser would not help

Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2023, 07:58:47 am
Faraday electrolysis is a parasitic phenomenon in Stanley Meyer's process.
The Stanley Meyer process is also called voltrolysis.
How to know that in the Meyer cell there is voltrolysis and there is no Faraday electrolysis.
Low current consumption, less than 1 amp.
No water heating (in some cases drop in water temperature)
Supply voltage over 1 kilovolt and no voltage drop.
Emission of atomic Oxygen and Hydrogen (accompanied by the appearance of "milk").


This property is required that you actually have a Meyer cell.
If the cell does not meet the criteria, then it is not a Meyer fuel cell, but a conventional electrolyzer.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2023, 08:05:03 am
difference between Faraday electrolysis and Meyer Process (voltrolysis)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7OIg2DBsq0&t=192s

Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2023, 14:01:41 pm
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Stanley Meyer never talked or mention about oxide films

He did not speak, but he showed on the drawings.

Insulation resistance = water resistance + oxide film resistance.

The water resistance is too low, not higher than 300 ohms.
Oxide film resistance up to 100 Megaohm.
Which automatically eliminates the voltage drop.

Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2023, 14:05:26 pm
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Hope you have time to read my hipóteses on how the cell resonate and generate electric power at same time as hydrogen

Give links to videos of experiments and experiments that would confirm your theoretical calculations.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2023, 14:11:36 pm
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Stanley Meyer never talked or mention about oxide films

He did not speak, but he showed on the drawings.

Insulation resistance = water resistance + oxide film resistance.

The water resistance is too low, not higher than 300 ohms.
Oxide film resistance up to 100 Megaohm.
Which automatically eliminates the voltage drop.

In my point of view you are placing words in his mouth…

There is no where he talk about increasing resistance of the cell

He talks about resistors and restricting the amps

If you add resistance inside the cell you are restricting the voltage more than the amps

Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2023, 14:17:06 pm
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I believe you should keep your eye on your findings but also you should not stick to only this…

I do not deny that the effects you describe are present in the Meyer cell. But I have doubts that they give Brown's industrial outgassing.

I described my criteria, which are confirmed or refuted as a result of experiments.
My experiments on voltages up to 50 volts so far confirm my theoretical calculations.
Experiments with kilovolts are ahead and these experiments should confirm my calculations. At least I'm 90% sure of it
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2023, 14:18:45 pm
Did he say that the longer the cell works, the better it works and the more gas it releases?
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2023, 14:23:11 pm
What happened to the cell?
Why, after a certain time of operation, did it work better and emit more gas?
The cell geometry has not changed.
The current supply parameters have not changed, they are also stable.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2023, 14:30:51 pm
And the following happened
calcium oxide appeared.

Americans stuck on meyer cell conditioning
https://youtu.be/leAtiaCygng

calcium oxide layer and gives high insulation resistance
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2023, 15:56:48 pm
What Meyer says is that if you are using water with any contaminants it will remain in the fuel cell and it must be flushed out and clean up from time to time… I did many tests using rain water and no formation of anything ever happen…

What I see is the electrode porosity increased some when using high current and potassium increasing the surface area and therefore the ability to flow current perhaps but I didn’t even measure that…

Meyer say the cell would last 10 thousand years and that tell me that he was not using power into the cell but the  otherway opposite way

He claim the water cell is a generator of electricity and that this is the only key to economically split the water

So is about movement and fields… about particle acceleration under resonance… the answer is there… 

Ask yourself how can you have electrical power generation in a resonant system with no moving parts?

Something has got to move… water is fluid so is the only thing that can shake in the system

Shaking is also movement and can have resonance

Give a look on that

I wrote some about it in my project section lately…

Anyone interested should look into that

Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2023, 21:54:18 pm
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He claim the water cell is a generator of electricity and that this is the only key to economically split the water
Ask yourself how can you have electrical power generation in a resonant system with no moving parts?

When a covalent bond is broken, electrons are released.
Those electrons that were in the orbits of Oxygen and Hydrogen.
Not those electrons that came from the electrical circuit and from the metal.
Namely, electrons from broken water molecules.
The electrons from the circuit cannot get into the water.
As a result, there is no electrolysis.
The electrons from the water create an electric current.
The number of electrons will be approximately equal to the number of broken water molecules.
The high potential difference causes them to leave the Meyer cell and enter the generator circuit.
In simple terms, free electrons from metal are replaced by freed electrons from water.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2023, 22:11:46 pm
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Faraday electrolysis is a parasitic phenomenon in Stanley Meyer's process.
The Stanley Meyer process is also called voltrolysis.
How to know that in the Meyer cell there is voltrolysis and there is no Faraday electrolysis.
Low current consumption, less than 1 amp.
No water heating (in some cases drop in water temperature)
Supply voltage over 1 kilovolt and no voltage drop.
Emission of atomic Oxygen and Hydrogen (accompanied by the appearance of "milk").

I put forward criteria by which, I will know for sure that the cell is the Meyer process, and not Faraday electrolysis.
It remains for me to perform the experiment at a high voltage of over 1 kilovolt.
Once I achieve confirmation of these criteria, I will know for sure that I have achieved the Meyer process on an industrial scale.
Until I conduct this experiment, I will not be distracted by other theories.
I'm going to focus on this experiment.
If the experiment does not confirm my conclusions, I will move on to test other hypotheses.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2023, 08:27:13 am
I builded a 6kw dc power supply using an isolation transformer a dimmer a high amp diode module and a capacitor

This will feed my experiments… with a cell having pure water I have around 2kohm resistance so it will take 1 amp to get 2kv so also 2kw of power

The switching ckt is capable of 90amps 1,6kv all components with active dissipation for now…

So I can vary from 20-220v or from 20-110v with the dimmer so it has an isolated dc ground

A choke is added before the capacitor so it can get a constant current charge discharge rate

This is a good starting point to use a 5:1 transformer and start applying 1kv to the cell






Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2023, 08:30:53 am
https://youtu.be/gEXHJf9AXRE
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2023, 05:41:54 am
https://youtu.be/eHnWUD9a6y4
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2023, 22:35:29 pm
I tried to see your video but auto translation sucks and I didn’t understood much of what you are saying..

It appear you talk about the energy required to electrolysis or something…
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2023, 15:01:25 pm
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JOEL LAUTIER
GRAND MASTER, BUSINESSMAN:
“Call a Chinese to solve a difficult problem, call a Russian to solve an impossible one.”


My English is even worse.
I am using google translator.
Are you familiar with the Theory of Inventive Problem Solving - author Altshuler?
There are no scientific problems and tasks in the Stanley Meyer Process. There is a purely engineering problem, which is solved by the Theory of Inventive Problem Solving.
Russian engineering school.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 14, 2023, 04:24:33 am
I don’t know that… but one thing I agree with you is all about knowledge of physics and mathematics… I have the luck that I decided to go study… wish I could be a better student but thing are like they are
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 23, 2023, 18:52:31 pm
https://youtu.be/eowvP5_xijo?si=3Z7R4txEE98BRAQ1
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 25, 2023, 06:31:51 am
https://youtu.be/55GWbeJyHh0?si=ESUHziLH1zsHyrOp
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 25, 2023, 06:32:23 am
https://youtu.be/ijn9Grp3vSA?si=l5lpCFP1oXglEXHA
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 25, 2023, 09:44:25 am
Hi Tur55,

I will have a look at your videos in the coming days. Sadly, I don't have time right now.
I'll let you know my comments in a couple of days.

cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 27, 2023, 16:20:38 pm
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Hi Tur55,

I will have a look at your videos in the coming days. Sadly, I don't have time right now.
I'll let you know my comments in a couple of days.

cheers
Steve

https://youtu.be/5e93WN3uwLA?si=n65JZdh96hfUPJBM
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 28, 2023, 11:06:58 am
Hi Tur55,

It is clear that you have your theory on how the vic might work.
Did you build already a setup that is based on your theory?

best regards
Steve
Title: Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 31, 2023, 09:02:07 am
On my YouTube channel there is a video of laboratory experiments where the Meyer process is demonstrated.
In order to break 1 water molecule by covalent bond, it is necessary to spend 1.07 attojules. This is a very small value. If converted to volts it will be less than 1 volt.
But for the industrial volume of Brown's gas production, a VIC is needed.


On video without VIC
https://youtu.be/mQsS8CnTRqA?si=bbPk9aykpxrKGY78