Then, apparently you are looking to run on straight Hydrogen, NOT HHO ???
I PM'ed You, Stevie1001, and also Hydrocars, that I had the straight Hydrogen info on amounts per cylinder, to run a 350 cid Chevy v-8, and got no response.
IF this is info wanted or needed, I will 2 finger type it out, and post it later tonight. Maybe I finally have something useful to add to this project ?? Gotta go saw some logs now.
Awesome, thanks for the great info!!!
I really think solid state (LED) lasers are the way to go....To me they seem much safer than the nitrogen laser....I'm sure the nitrogen laser works, I believe that's what herman anderson used, but at the same time his laser produced a soft x ray which required some shielding as i have read.
Also, after seeing your hydrogen atom drawing it makes me wonder if stan used multiple colors of lasers, or if the revolving lens (I forget what he calls it) in front of the laser changes the light intensity (color) of the laser so only 1 is needed to be used instead of multiple ones.
dont mean to be a dummy but what kind of apparattus are you referring to, will each atom need to be subjected to the light, will the atoms revert to original state after time, what type of container will you use, what gain will you see with the excited atoms
exactly what is hydroxy
Where do you think is best place to get the LEDs?
My B20 engine is puring like a kitten at 2 deg. After TDC on pure H2, il look in on other timing too but makes more sense to me to hawe ignition as close to TDC as you can
Just a static timing since there is no carb when im runing pure H2
Need some more equipment before I can deliver consumption numbers
Il hawe some video ready when the new intake manifold is in place
Mr Brown/H2inICE
Here's some simple old school tube info.
--> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_tube
Hmmm....Tungsten anode....needs electrons....what's the target.....
C/P --> As with any vacuum tube, there is an emitter, either a filament or cathode, which emits electrons into the vacuum and an anode to collect the electrons, thus establishing a flow of electrical current, known as the beam, through the tube. A high voltage power source is connected across cathode and anode, for example 30 to 150 kilovolts (kV). In many applications, the current flow (typically in the range 1mA to 1A) is able to be pulsed on for between about 1ms to 1s.
Now, what did SM say about how his process consumed energy? ;)
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Steve:
Great Post. I have performed industrial radiography and have performed work with tubeheads, Ir-192 and Co-60. Here's some input to consider in conjunction with the LED's. It's a cut and past dealing with radiation and further discussion with black light below.
In a vacuum, all electromagnetic waves travel at the same speed, the speed of light (c). The wavelength (y, lambda) and the frequency (f) are all related by the equation:
f = c / y
This is true for all electromagnetic radiation.
stevie, Ive made some simple test with 10 violet LEDS at 400nm. I saw no visible difference in the gas nor when i attempted to ignite it...
I still think we should further test this by pulsing the LED's and using a lot of them.
....Anyway, I am not a physics professor....but doing my best to understand it all
If anybody has suggestions, please write them down , here ;)
Br
Steve
hello flaghole welcome to the forum how is it going ;)
stevie, Ive made some simple test with 10 violet LEDS at 400nm. I saw no visible difference in the gas nor when i attempted to ignite it...
I still think we should further test this by pulsing the LED's and using a lot of them.
CN,
Can you tell me more on how you did your test? What was your setup?
Can you send me the datasheet of your LEDS?
br
Steve
bigfoot im just an old bricklayer but im willing to donate a little time and money for this cause
the thing is i once called in to a radio talk show about automotive issues and i asked the host about hpower guess how he responded......i wanna see white papers i wanna see epa approval....in other words we will never be allowed to get this tech mass produced once we crack it we have to spread the technology at the grass roots level, next they will outlaw it and begin a mass prosecution for energy violaters but we have to break the chains......even better if we can someday break the cycle of enslavement
stevie
how can we help would a few hundred bucks help you along, i may be able to send 50 and i bet there are others who would like to help
btw i have built a gen it just wasnt very effective my fabrication capabilities are not sufficient to produce much hydroxy, but i did prove the concept to myself and a few others and i believe that is very important just to show folks that fuel can be made from water
as a matter of fact i think it would be great if we could have a working model with a torch just for pr purposes
This is my first time posting here. I have been a fly on the wall for a while now and this is very exiting stuff!! I had a question and it probably is a stupid one but if someone could take time to answer it it might help me understand this H2 - H1 process a bit better..
What would happen if you ran Hydroxy through a GEET Reactor?? Would it just ignite the Hydroxy prematurally?
Like I said probably a dumb question but thought I might ask anyways and learn something..
stevie, Ive made some simple test with 10 violet LEDS at 400nm. I saw no visible difference in the gas nor when i attempted to ignite it...
I still think we should further test this by pulsing the LED's and using a lot of them.
CN,
Can you tell me more on how you did your test? What was your setup?
Can you send me the datasheet of your LEDS?
br
Steve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q501yRbo_Lg
Emitted Colour : UV
Size: 5mm
Lens Color : Water Clear
Forward Voltage (V) : 3.4~3.8
Forward Current (mA):20
wavelength (nm):395-400-405
View Angle: About 25 degree.
What is your opinion? about a taper sparkplug as per us patent #7198208 ( NOT a meyers patent ) . Its pretty much the water fuel injector meyers made .
http://www.newobjective.com/electrospray/index.html
http://www.newobjective.com/products/tips_online_tips.html#metal
I wanna make a sparkplug with a bullet style tip, insolated in the inside where the water is .Negative on the Outside . I just wanna do a mist test to see any difference in explosion strenght. A proof of concept if you will
I've been very intently following the progress of water fuel cells and magically found this site about a month ago. I have been studying for up to four to six hours a day/night on all of the concepts. I am working on a couple of my first cells, my first ones were just for fun, but now I look to get a little more serious. I did a little experiment with SS washers and got a few other people interested in the hydrogen process (amazing what some quality bubble popping will do! :D).
I like to see the implication of using photons to change the state of the hydrogen being produced, as the laser was one of the first things I noticed in the Stan Meyers schematics on the videos, and was wondering when it would be implemented. I'm excited to see Steve's results and Hydrocars' new plate cell and see what it can do with all the ionization stuff that he has been talking about.
As some one said earlier on this thread, the quality of life is dropping off fast for everyone and I would add that the gas companies are literally killing off Americans, not just in the war, but in the states by making it too expensive to live. People are hurting, Bad! As some one said the American way of life is dying. I think you all know how important this is, but it might be even more important then you think.
I'm in the fight, well it's mostly you guys right now, but I'll get to that point. Let's get some more test results going, love the youtube videos, keeps me motivated. I'll hopefully be able to contribute soon.
GL, all,
Let's kick some Oil a$$!
Mr. Z
CN,
It is plausible that you didnt hit the 410nm with those LEDS....
I also seen your video. You are pointing the LEDS into the water.
I think it is better to point the LEDS into the gastube on top of your cell.
Just point on the GAS as close as possible.
br
Steve
Check this out!
Click --> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/756433/laser_flashlight_hack/
This red laser will burn your eyes out. Be careful.
Will the red laser ignite the HHO gas?
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Here's a link to purchase the holder in the minimag. --> http://www.mfgcn.com/ (Just scroll down) They have some good prices, however, blue ray diodes cost $140.00 bucks
Here's alternative source for blue ray diode lasers --> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/906366/blu_ray_laser_phaser/
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L.A.S.E.R. --> Light Amplicifation by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.
Basically you get a heavilly doped carrier which when stimulated will cause an electron to shift orbit around the atom, it cannot remain in this higher orbit so must drop back, as it does so the quantum shift dictates that the electron must release its excess energy, as energy cannot be created nor destroyed the energy is liberated as a function of the wavelength of the quantum leap itself generally a multiple of 1/4 or 1/2 the wavelength. Thus the excess energy is released as light. As the quantum jump is dictated purely by the atoms themselves and if the laser material is pure enough then the light will be all of one wavelength. Also built into the laser is a fully reflecting mirror on one end and a 50% reflecting mirror on another, this creates a standing wave inside the laser where light bounces back and forth inside the laser material. Due to these two effects the light is 1) Very pure and 2) In phase. As such it can and will cause retina damage if viewed directly even if the laser is not visible to the human eye. Low power lasers can cause lower damage but care should always be taken to observe strict precautions.
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just thinking out loud..........I have seen the youtube videos of plasma created in a microwave oven, obviously microwaved water just makes steam, but has anyone tried microwaving a very small quantity of hho gas........only a small quantity as you don't want to "blow the bloody doors off"..........or using some carbon with it as a catalyste to excite the HO to break its bonds :-\
??????
Can you please explain a little further………..reading up about ultraviolet light I understand that electromagnetic radiation has more energy the shorter its wave length. UV in the upper atmosphere collides and causes oxygen to form into ozone. A statement I found on wikipedia says that uv light with an energy of 10 electron volts or higher, “ are collectively called ionizing radiation since the energy in any such light quantum is high enough to 'kick' an electron out of an atom” however the only available uv light source I can find are from mercury lamps at 247nm, about 7 electron volts, too low to be classed as ionizing. To produce higher frequencies needs massive investment….
Ref:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/01/28/bright-future-for-extreme-ultraviolet-lights
your leds appear to be only 5 electron volts at 410nm so not enough, 100nm wave length would be needed to achieve 10 e volts..............
i don't understand !!! please help.......
Question………from what I now understand the energy level of the electron can be increased as you are trying but apparently the effect is not long lasting…..how long ?
I thought I read in your posts that you would expect the colour of the energised gas to appear red / pink……I can’t find that statement now, but I believe the colour change would only appear if the hydrogen atoms had actually been ionised and lost its electron.
Catch the freed electrons with some kind of coil and put a lightbulp on that to consume the electrons.
HV also ionizes the gas, so if you have a combi of those 2 technics, we might get what we want.
br
Steve
steve.....
it seams that when the electron quantum leaps it only stays at the higher energy level for a period of 10 to the power of -8 seconds (10-8s)....also when ionized the free electron imediately forms with the realesed photon to make a new hydrogen atom........however there is a higher energy state........................
An important spectral line in astronomy for measuring the gas between stars is the 21-cm line of Hydrogen.
This is in the radio part of the spectrum.
The n = 1 level (ground state) of H is actually "split" into 2 levels separated by a very small energy.
This splitting is due to the fact that the electron and proton have intrinsic spin, i.e. they behave like small magnets.
When the North poles are aligned the energy is higher than when they are not.
The figure below illustrates the "spin flip" that cause the emission of a 21-cm photon.
http://ltc.cit.cornell.edu/courses/astro101/lectures/lec08.htm
i need to look further to find how this is caused and how long it stays in this condition.............
br
let me look at this from a slightly different angle............
As i understand it our gas is OH and H.............the single hydrogen doesn't like being along and easily pairs up to H2.............that leaves OH
..............ultra violet light makes ozone, so does HV corona discharge, would this not break the OH bond making very reactive ozone and also ionize the H and H2 making a step up in energy levels.......????
ozone info.....http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/ozone.htm
thoughts...............
br
hi steve,
no i think that ozone is the way.....
i was just reading stans statement as follows.
The Hydrogen Fracturing Process dissociates the water molecule
by way of voltage stimulation, ionizes the combustible gases by
electron ejection and, then, prevents the formation of the water
molecule during thermal gas ignition ... releasing thermal
explosive energy beyond "normal" gas burning levels under
control state ... and the atomic energy process is environmentally
safe.
ok.....the O3 is neutraly charged.........if electrons are removed from the O2 then it will become positively charged.............as will the hydrgen ion.
if both elements are positvly charged they will naturaly repel and no reaction.....but stan says this "prevention of formation of water.....releases the thermal explosive energy".....???????
i think the extra active Oxygen on the O3 is the energy for the enhanced reaction.and the formation of O3 gives extra kinetic energy to the hydrogen.
br James
These are the frequencys that I will use for this experiment:
656.46 nm = red
486.27 nm = blue
434.17 nm = blue-violet
410.29 nm = violet
br
Steve
Well, I talked to the machinest today and he can't make the cone shape like I wanted but will make a small verson for me put on at the end of the tubes. That should get my testing to finally see if Meyer's graph data is right, and production goes up sharply. The way I understand it from a science point of view is at the base of the cone the area is the highest, and has the greatest capacitance and weakest magnetic field, and at the tip it has the lowest capacitance and the highest magnetic field. That is why Meyer calls it a wave guide and I think this suits the properties of water just right. For when water temperture changes up or down the resonance frequency changes with it, right? Now this cone shaped will have just the right capacitance somewhere along it's sides of the resonant cavity to keep up with waters ever changing needs. That's my thinking anyway.
br,
h2opower.
These are the frequencys that I will use for this experiment:
656.46 nm = red
486.27 nm = blue
434.17 nm = blue-violet
410.29 nm = violet
br
Steve
Steve:
Do you know if it is possible to fine tune adjust the nm value of the LED's? Also, will the ID of your SS torch tube be mirror polished or blackened and/or circuited for getting rid of electrons?
Good luck and be careful! I believe you are on the right path.
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Well, I talked to the machinest today and he can't make the cone shape like I wanted but will make a small verson for me put on at the end of the tubes. That should get my testing to finally see if Meyer's graph data is right, and production goes up sharply. The way I understand it from a science point of view is at the base of the cone the area is the highest, and has the greatest capacitance and weakest magnetic field, and at the tip it has the lowest capacitance and the highest magnetic field. That is why Meyer calls it a wave guide and I think this suits the properties of water just right. For when water temperture changes up or down the resonance frequency changes with it, right? Now this cone shaped will have just the right capacitance somewhere along it's sides of the resonant cavity to keep up with waters ever changing needs. That's my thinking anyway.
br,
h2opower.
My B20 engine is puring like a kitten at 2 deg. After TDC on pure H2, il look in on other timing too but makes more sense to me to hawe ignition as close to TDC as you can
Just a static timing since there is no carb when im runing pure H2
Need some more equipment before I can deliver consumption numbers
Il hawe some video ready when the new intake manifold is in place
Mr Brown/H2inICE
Hi Steve.
This is going to be quite a light show when you get it done.
Here's a link on some inexpensive SS polishing compounds --> http://www.hobbytool.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=437
I've had SS tubing plated before but it will eventially wear off. You probably need to buff anyways prior to plating. You might want to also consider a custom gun smith to do the plating if you want the "hard chrome" and you end up going this route. I hear they do a real good job on gun barrels. Try googling "custom chrome plating gun barrels". Maybe you might consider nickel plating, but chrome is harder.
--> http://www.overlandplating.com/faq.php
The hydrogen embrittlement faq link at the end the above link is also interesting.
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hi steve,
how are you planning to verify your process?
br,
james
hi steve,
how are you planning to verify your process?
br,
james
Now what I don't hear anyone talking about is a water recollection system to put back some of the water used into the tank. This would make the comsumption curve into a natural log curve, for every gallon used a ceretant percentage of it would be put back in for reuse and that percentage would do the same for a long time this repeats over and over. Thus this will make a gallon last for a very long time.
A update video showing gates/ports being made and fittings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBOOzAATYQA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBOOzAATYQA)
More on this later, pressure testing and fitting in next video
Mr Brown/H2inICE
Now you know why Stan Meyer used LEDS in his latest stuff.
I think i told it all now.
Go find LEDS, or lasers and combine them with High voltage and kick those electrons in higher orbits.
When you solve that part, you can run an engine.
stevie1001
Hi, I am new in forum, but I working in the same way.
1.What I obtain into engine (motor) applying proton (into HHO generator) to electron of hydrogen molecule? What is the behavior of molecules after ignition?
2.Why you are going to use different laser if Mr. Meyer used just many of 935nm? You used different because you trying to carry the hydrogen’s electron to inner orbit, thus more energy. That is or I am wrong?
3.How we know that this new kind of energy will not damage walls engine, cylinder and piston head? You probably answer: Testing (is the best way to convince me), but what you think?
4.Is necessary to adjust engine before install generator, because I suppose explosion will be before of normal.
5.I am making a fuel injector water (I am mold/machine designer/builder) using Stan Meyer model, but I do not have the dimensions; I am just building it by intuition. If you have something else than help us…
6.The laser LED we are talking about, do not we need safety glasses for eyes care?
7.Laser LED have an expansion of 25º, but what is the range of them (distance)? If distance is large, and power still keep there, then we will need a shield, do not we?
8.I know you’ve seem this schematic (my HHO Generator is like this one), but I do not know which is the use of stainless steel donut coil. I wonder if it coil is for avoid recombination of HHO, or for increase production, what do you think?
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I have more questions but I do not want boring you.
Thousand thanks.
These are the frequencys that I will use for this experiment:
656.46 nm = red
486.27 nm = blue
434.17 nm = blue-violet
410.29 nm = violet
Stevie, I wonder about those LEDs (I am going to prove anyway). In 2nd Bohr's postulate say: A Electron can jump from electronic level to other without go pass to intermediate state. Then, I can use just one LED 656 nm to carry the electron to n1?. What do you think? I am confuse.
656.46 nm = red
486.27 nm = blue
434.17 nm = blue-violet
410.29 nm = violet
I know we need the exactly wavelength to make jump Electron to other level, then what mean 2nd Bohr's Postulate?
Thanks.
Stevie, I wonder about those LEDs (I am going to prove anyway). In 2nd Bohr's postulate say: A Electron can jump from electronic level to other without go pass to intermediate state. Then, I can use just one LED 656 nm to carry the electron to n1?. What do you think? I am confuse.
656.46 nm = red
486.27 nm = blue
434.17 nm = blue-violet
410.29 nm = violet
I know we need the exactly wavelength to make jump Electron to other level, then what mean 2nd Bohr's Postulate?
Thanks.
Hi,
You mean that the electron can skip the other N orbits?
Hmmm, never thought on that...
Where did you read that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Well,8. accoording to their theory, you make another type of hydrogen which has a slower burnrate....
I havent try that donut coil , yet. It should be an easy test. Run a flame with or without that coil...
Steve
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What outside pressure you recommend to produce a constant flame? Or, please send me a link than explain about it.
Have you ever seemed this page http://www.gethydropower.com/products.html, they look make good job, and what do you think? I am thinking buy them the cheaper product and, of course, apply inverse engineering to this product.
This product uses an air compressor, behind that must be a pressure regulator.
Hi Steve,
In regards to Marpacifico's questions (posted Sept. 12) the answer to question # 8 is to produce parahydrogen (and you are right) has a slower burn rate than orthohydrogen. It is used as one of several steps to address pre-ignition issues. In regards to his last post, I found similar information while doing a search on deuterium on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr_model
According to Herman Anderson, deuterium (heavy water) was essential in his process. Noting the low density of hydrogen, this also needs to be looked at. The process of electrolysis is one of several methods to produce it.
Xman
I was involved with the Hydrostar (or should I say Don Harper) for a short time. He sold 1500 of these manuals (last count) and was looking for someone to build them. The author of this manual fell off the planet and can't be found. I already had the Xogen model (very similar) & others and had previously been working on this. I found several bogus assembly procedures in this manual including encasing the coil in cement. The coil needs to come in contact with the water to do anything and came up with another design. I used a capacitor mounting bracket (inverted & modified). I insulated the screw hole tabs that usually mounts to a surface and this supported the coil secured with wire ties. The tabs (with the screw for tightening the collar) was cut off. I attached the collar to the inside surface of the inner tube. This allowed the coil to be removed from the housing with the electrode assembly for cleaning. I built one for a customer and it turned out to be a pretty good design. The problem with the Hydrostar & Xogen models is that they utilize one set of larger tubes. Don't waste your time & money with this design (been there...done that). You get much more electrode surface area from the 9 set smaller tubes (a la Stan Meyer). Someone told Don Harper that the coil sitting in water would deteriorate the core. I had a coil sitting in water (with potassium hydroxide) from January to May of this year and it had no ill effects on the core. He (Don Harper) has no technical knowledge and didn't want to listen to me (someone who does), so we parted company. I have maintained some features of the electronics; water level indicators etc.
Xman
Hi Steve,
Actually, I haven't run any test on this but the concept seems logical. This is what the Xogen model (and others) are using it for and I assumed they have run test. It's just a toroid coil and you're better off buying something pre-made. Winding coils is time consuming and a "pain in the ass" unless you have a coil winder.
Xman
Hi again Steve,
The coil needs to be in the same housing as your electrodes. But this is just for use in a WFC. The bubbler is just for flashback issues.
Xman