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Projects by members => Projects by members => J. Miller => Topic started by: jim miller on September 28, 2018, 01:08:02 am
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HeyGrindle2654-- thanks for the update photos on your project (you forgot to scrub metadata on picture location,
Turn off location service on your iphone. I'll work on the photos you sent and post them when I get your ok...
I would probably go for the NiAr nickel argonide instead of the /iron argonide ( FeAr gas) due to the higher
magnetic susceptibilityof the former,
Since you are apparently going with the larger inside diameter tubing 0.5 instead of .375 inches as in the original,
your cross sectional area will be about 78% higher thus the magnetic flux will also be about 78% higher although
the inverse square rule for the flux (greater distance to the pickup windings)
will likely cause slight reduction in flux strength. I'll run it through fluxcalc and the AI programs to get some
suggestions and improvements on the design specs
The tubing you've selected has a pressure rating of 700 psi so you should be ok on your proposed Torr levels
Since Stan mentions the original gega only produced 220 v at 2 to 3 hundred amps, your improved model will
need much more robust wire on the output than 4 gauge copper cable. Also I would recommend increasing
the horizontal distance between the spiral gas channels and to increase dielectric on the wire windings between
the 6 spiral gas channels to prevent arcing although the voltage potential at 220 v at what appears to be about 12.5
cm between the spiral coils possible arcing can be mitigated by a liberal coating of RTV paste or some insulating
material such as a polyethylene tubing or rubber adhesive tape..
When I talked to Basil about the unit about 7 years ago( now deceased), he stated that he was the one who wound the coils..
He used enameled wire.
Also regarding the gas components::, the argon needs to be very dry (no water vapor) so running it past drierite (r)
and Freon (r) cooling would probably help.
The attached document shows that the sizing of the mechanical pump was appropriate in the mechanical
EPG series..It is assumed that the mag gas pump assembly was also sized appropriately, These were used in the
six tier system and placed in a vertical configuration as contrasted with the single horizontal placement used in the
magnetic spin epg series...
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is there any more info?
Pictures maybe?
Ill guess this is about the epg?
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You asked me about the 78% figure..
Your 5//8 tubing has I.D. of .500, I.R. is .25 inches or .0625 squared x Pi for cross-sectional areA
The 1/2 tubing used in original I.D. =.375 I.R = .1875 or .0351 squared x Pi for cross-sectional area
The ratio of cross-section of gas channels is .625/.351 = 1.78 (pi cancels out)
Thus your larger tubing as described will be able to carry 78% more gas per unit of tubing length compared
to the original Meyer device
Yes Stan said "the normal operating velocity is 50 ips for the single phase unit and 90 ips for the three
phase unit" (refer to posted doc)
"When we ran the calcs of the ferro fluid from FeroTuch we we able to calculate that the B500 little giant pump
was capable of pumping the fluid at 50 ips" Since the gaseous density of NiAr, FeAr or CoAr will be substantially
lest than of the EFH1 ferrofluid an 8 inch magnetic linear drive should should be adequate. The density of the EFH
series ferrofluids isbetween 1.21 and 1.42 gr/cc. Of course, a density for gas/plasma would be much less than this
and normal gas law results are skewedby the larger gas matrices and clustering effects...
Since his design aspect of the pumping system was shown to be mathematically designed appropriately,
it was felt that the selection of the magnetic linearpump device that Stan used on the 6 tier system was
also appropriate for the task.
After Stan's involvement in the Star Wars program public display of the unit ceased.....reportedly a NSO was issued for
the EPG technology
Image List
1. Line Drawing from manual
2 High Res Image
3. Video frame from video at Irondmax.com
4. Photo from an early seminar held at Deer Creek (Oh)State Park lodge
5. Earliest photo from the Broadway Lab circa July 1985 showing gega in background
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so how does it work?
is all the ferrofluid completly magnetic or the maggas?
I understand that 1 coil is used to magnitise the all of the gas or fluid?
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Looking good!! I see you took the suggestion on a greater distance between the horizontal spiral coils.
6 inches between the coils plus about a six inch standoff from the base and about 12 inches at the top
for input valves and electronics ( although electronic controls physically and shielded with a Faraday cage
and shielded cables would reduce induced feedback from the circulating magnetic media.)
This construction results in a cylinder about 18 inches in diameter and a height of about 5 and 1/2 feet..
This is about the size the size of a compact water heater suitable for in-house installation.
The composite all thread stabilizers are a nice touch . I'd probably use Teflon (r) n or nylon nuts
for the spiral tube brackets which would allow for slight adjustments to keep the spiral tube
assemblies level, Stan used right angle bends in the connectors between the various levels of
spiral tubing. so there is probably no need to go the wide radius tyle of "l" couplings which are
a little more difficult to find and are more expensive..
After rough fitting I'd recommend a high melting temp silver solder or an air conditioning braze rod
such as pc3 (copper phosphorus base) that make very strong joint.
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Here's another idea:. Use CPVC or PVC pipe sized with a slightly larger I.D. than the composite uprights Cut the pipe into about 2.5 inch lengths.
Use a T fitting and insert 2.5 inch pieces into opposite openings. of the T fitting and slip them over the vertical support rods one at a
time (remembering to thread the adjustment nuts onto the composite rods between each support assembly.
A short support section of cpvc is then glued into the middle hole of the tee And this serves as a ledge onto which the
spiral levels of tubing can be affixed Also, this design can incorporate cross braces between the vertical support rods.
Like the Perspex (r) base like many of the early EPGs made by Stan, Nice work!!
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In my opinion you are going way overkill on the metal ionization. build. You can just use a neon sign transformer in the 17 kv range
just sleeve or flood the production of the transitional metals with argon to reduce reaction with anything but the argon or xenon
(similar to Heil-iarc welding of aluminum to prevent oxidation ) That's one of the reasons the argon must be very dry
or anhydrous.. You do not want anything in contact with the iron or nickel during this process!! that can complete tie iron or nickel
uter orbit except the ionized argon. I'll see if I have one of the old transformers around...
regards
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hey grindle thanks for the info on parts, I'll post them here as you send them. You need two of them
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Regards
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Has grindle see some results, Jim?
Ill gues that he must have seen something that makes him going...
Can you invite him here?
cheers
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hey grindle checkout this articleAn early un-classified report that validates NASA interest in the magnetic gas lattice concepts mentioned in
SM89** transcript CoAr FeAr and NiAr exist
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REFTitle:
Theoretical study of metal noble-gas positive ions
Authors:
Bauschlicher, Charles W., Jr.; Partridge, Harry; Langhoff, Stephen R.
Affiliation:
AA(NASA, Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA), AB(NASA, Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA), AC(NASA, Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA)
Publication:
Journal of Chemical Physics (ISSN 0021-9606), vol. 91, Oct. 15, 1989, p. 4733-4737. (JChPh Homepage)
Publication Date:
10/1989
Category:
Atomic and Molecular Physics
Origin:
STI
NASA/STI Keywords:
CATIONS, ELECTRON STATES, GROUND STATE, RARE GASES, SPECTRUM ANALYSIS, TRANSITION METALS, ARGON, COBALT COMPOUNDS, COPPER COMPOUNDS, HELIUM, IRON COMPOUNDS, KRYPTON, SELF CONSISTENT FIELDS, WAVE FUNCTIONS
DOI:
10.1063/1.456762
Bibliographic Code:
1989JChPh..91.4733B
Abstract
Theoretical calculations have been performed to determine the spectroscopic constant for the ground and selected low-lying electronic states of the transition-metal noble-gas ions Var(+), FeAr(+), CoAr(+), CuHe(+), CuAr(+), and CuKr(+). Analogous calculations have been performed for the ground states of the alkali noble-gas ions LiAr(+), LiKr(+), NaAr(+), and KAr(+) and the alkaline-earth noble-gas ion MgAr(+) to contrast the difference in binding energies between the simple and transition-metal noble-gas ions. The binding energies increase with increasing polarizability of the noble-gas ions, as expected for a charge-[[/iinduced dipole bonding mechanism. It is found that the spectroscopic constants of the X 1Sigma(+) states of the alkali noble-gas ions are well described at the self-consistent field level. In contrast, the binding energies of the transition-metal noble-gas ions are substantially increased by electron correlation..............
http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.html
perhaps you've seen the video with Stan entering the Lewis NASA lab in Cleveland. which did a lot of
work on propulsion systems Think about satellites requiring a lot of power....
coincidentally about the same timeframe as article was being published
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like the design so far, I'll think I'll build one too! instead of your cross braces, I'll see if a Plexiglas or Lexan donut shaped disc with holes drilled for the 4 vertical all-thread support rods.
Plexiglas (r) is the US trade name for Perspex, as you call it across the pond...I think I'll make two one fro the top spiral level and another to be halfway between the 3rd and 4th spiral rings...
I'll order the same type of copper tubing because it's available locally..
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"Mag Gas 6 Tier System in temporary soldering jig
"Theoretically
Once the vertical flow and return tubes are soldered in, then the pump and windings are then normally added
After pressure and leak testing, then tube pickup windings are attached to the transfer box for power control for house
The pulse electronics would then be added and tested
The magnetic slurry or gas is then added
A small motorcycle or automobile battery is used to start the pump initially and after a short
interval an small amount of current is used to recharge the battery"
hey g thanks for sharing---why don't you join the forum?
regards
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That looks good!
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thanks to anoni mouse for this image, it's another part of the puzzle
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it looks a lot like one of the pumps in one of the earlier epgs 12 or 13 fins
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AI web spyder came up with LMPY09033-FX3X-X www.h2wtech.com/prodct/polynoids as likely electronics match Resolution from October photo not sufficient to meet 95% confidence level.
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hey "a noni mouse " long time no see!!
thanx for the page on design parameters
had already posted a summary but always good to see the original document
use the new vpn, 2048 aes shouold be sufficient through a tor path
here's your page as an attachement
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The question i have with this tube filled with magnetisable slurry, is how it works.
Does all slurry gets magnetic at once or does the motor with wheel shops the slurry in parts and do we get a seperated pulse out of the slurry?
cheers
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The slurry system and magnetic gas composed of iron argonide matrices are believed to be similar in effect in terms of magnetic flux but have a different configuration primarily because of the
different physical states. The slurry systems as described in the Canadian patent is not compressible and requires alignment coils to realign the magnetic material because of the chopping or
turbulence created by passing through a mechanical pump system. Mag-gas clusters are much smaller and are thought to maintain magnetic alignment. As a gas, it would be able to be
compressed ( I would recommend non magnetic Kevlar reinforced fiberglass storage of this type of gas
The EFH1 ferro fluid has a low viscosity but would function much lie a ferrite material in an inductor rod or transformer core. It doesn't hold its magnetism well as it is composed of magnetite, light hydrocarbon oil
similar to kerosene and a suspending agent such as oleic acid An advantage to gas systems would be higher circulation velocity due to lower density
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hey g thanks for photo what is weight of bolt? and scale look like a non magnetic o2 tank but colors are argon and rust colored FE??
I guess we have nothing to FeAr lol
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i still dont see it working....
Electricity is created by coils in which a changing magnetic field appears...
Not by a steady magnetic field
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look at video showing ferrofluid spikes moving on outside of coil spring at about 7:22 time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CgKmfInv_k
MIT currently researching body armor with ferrofluid in tubes changing the magnetic field around ferrofluid induces changing viscosity
even approaching solid magnetic pistons of ferrofluid in tube by magnetic accelerator ie linear magnetic pump see EPG2 by sSan
EFH-1 has a low magnetic susceptibility but faster velocities would be possible because of lower viscosity
the B500 pump can pump 500 gph but at the reported velocity of 50 ips under 200 gph is all that is required
it is the movement of the core of this single sided transformer that is moving and creating the moving magnetic field ( as in the mag gas systems as well) wand not the pulsating
magnetic field induced by a primary winding
thank g for the pic but I have doubts about it where did your get it?
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If i'm playing a skeptic, the nut or tank or both might be magnetized
Why not show a video of the tank with a pressure gauge and release the gas
then the nut should hand more parallel to the tank.\\
also the amount of magnetic force can be related to the volume of gas released and angle of the
bolt relative to the vertical side of the tank
or just use a small magnetometer
so g just contact the source and see if they can do that?
Safety concern: Does inhalation of mag gas cause agglutination of red blood cells if inhaled?