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Stanley Meyer => General Stan Meyer topics => Topic started by: X-Blade on September 30, 2015, 21:46:43 pm
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Hello to everyone.
On my experiments with Stanley Meyer WFC, when i connect the scope probe over the cell i got this waveform:
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/step001.jpg)
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/step002.jpg)
My setup is;
Signal generator: Arduino nano v3 with square wave generator program based on tone.h library (timer2)
-Frequency 3 to 4 khz (dont remember exactly).
- Gate on time 45 milliseconds
- Gate off time 50 milliseconds
Transformer:
- Core: Flyback TV Transformer
- Primary: 160 Turns 0.5mm enamelled wire (0.0155in)
- Secondary: 320 Turns 0.5mm enamelled wire (0.0155in) (Just for test - 1:2)
Chokes:
1 Bifilar coil of 95 turns 0.85mm enamelled wire wound on ferrite rod with 9,5mm diameter
Power: 12v car Battery
Cell:
2 tubes with 80mm long
inner: 14mm x 0.7mm thickness
outer: 22mm x 0.7mm thickness
Both 304L Stainless Steel (used for water in houses)
The outside tube of the cell was isolated with ISLARC insulation Spray , ONLY THE OUTSIDE FACE OF THE OUTSIDE TUBE
Feel free to comment and to ask.
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Hi
are you using an air gap in the core?
in fly back mode it uses the air gap as energy storage but used as a ferrite core no air gap is used
might be able to run 2 tests , with and without
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Hello.
Thank you for asking.
Im using it without airgap.
I believe that air gap is just to avoid core saturation and / or reduce the inductance
i tested the same setup with a toroidal ferrite core with outer diameter of 28mm from car audio amp, with the same windings as on the tv flyback core,
It worked better, but was a b*tch to wind! :D
I dont believe at all that Stan's transformers was Flyback topology, but LLC transformer (resonant transformer, that ones that uses separated coil formers, instead of one over another).
See on google: LLC resonant transformer.
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Thank you.
But what makes you think that this is the correct waveform?
I looked into Tony Woodside scope pictures and it is different from ours too.
Very confused.
Maybe the propretaries of the stan´s estate should test the VIC as they did publishing a lot of info like schematics and pictures of the original stuff.
Flyback transformers used reversed secondary orientation, and power is transferred on switch off.
If the draw of the wirings is correct, it cannot be Flyback topology, right?
This is what i thought, not as it must be, correct me if i am wrong.
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Me scope was on DC mode, sorry.
If i put into AC coupling mode, the 0 (zero) point stays at middle of the waveform.
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The scope probe is on X10 mode.
With this setup, the peak to peak voltage is about 50v.
With toroidal transformer, i used 30V input and output peak to peak reached the 300V with good bubbles.
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I will replace the transformer with the toroidal one, maybe next weekend and take a video of the tube cell.
My current setup produces low with this transformer, but consumes only 150ma @ 12v.
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My waveform "zoomed":
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/zoomscope.jpg)
It seems to have some kind of "step charge", what do you think?
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I am not saying that i am right, but what sustains my theory is this:
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/step.jpg)
and the description in this ORIGINAL documentation of Stanley Meyer (thanks to Tony Woodside, this is very precious!)
http://www.globalkast.com/docs/Hydrogen_Fracturing_Process_Original.pdf (http://www.globalkast.com/docs/Hydrogen_Fracturing_Process_Original.pdf)
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I will replace the transformer with the toroidal one, maybe next weekend and take a video of the tube cell.
My current setup produces low with this transformer, but consumes only 150ma @ 12v.
We really would like to see that, X
Thanks in advance!
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As you can see, i moved the off topic posts to another topic where you can discuss who is right and who is wrong.
I want X blade to have his own podium and freedom here...
Cheers
Admin Steve
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Nice document... i have not see before... but is more of the same....
xblade compliments for your work...
my waveform looks just little different but who knows... keep going...
is your cell grounded ?
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I think that i saw this setup on the youtube.
Are you the "Diesel Mechanic"?
Just reply this question before a start to laught out loud... 8)
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Nice document... i have not see before... but is more of the same....
xblade compliments for your work...
my waveform looks just little different but who knows... keep going...
is your cell grounded ?
No. it is not grounded.
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Here we go again!
Some people over this foruns said its impossible to get the step-charging effect without tube coatings... here is the proof,
Check my new scope shots:
1. Step-Charge over the cell
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/step0001.jpg)]
2. Upside: Channel 1 - across the cell
Downside: Channel 2 - Pulse train applied to the transistor
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/step0003.jpg)
Feel free tgo ask and comment.
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Nice scope shots!
Well, the question is of course, if you have any special results gas out vs power in.....
Well done!
Cheers
Steve
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Nope, low output and low power (24v@0,1A) like other users. >:(
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TGS you are a joke.
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Did you achieved the ionization treshold? (maybe 1 billion volts, lol). TGS #tomarnocuu
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Post removed jokes now on you :'(
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There is no center-taped transformer, so negative voltage will be allways equal on both electrodes. Do you know ohm's law?
This kind of blah blah blah dont mean a sh** to anyone.
#tomarnocu Alguem cale este idiota.
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(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/personalpics009_zpscf31888c.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/personalpics009_zpscf31888c.jpg.html)
I know this waveform has both a B- and a B+ voltage and looks more like this one below than yours does. The differential probe is suppose to be hooked up directly to the water fuel capacitor when you take your readings but I don't think you have a differential probe do you? Perhaps you should start a crowdfund like the other guy did so you too can get one as without it you have no idea what you are getting to your cell as you must have the right tools for the task at hand as that is just the way it goes and there is no getting around it.
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/10_5VOLTAGECHARINGEFFECT.png) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/10_5VOLTAGECHARINGEFFECT.png.html)
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I cant see any step-charging effect in this scope shot.
1st- If you are applying DC pulsed voltage, there is no need of a differential probe.
2nd- what i see is a sequential charge and discharge with almost same amplitude.
3rd- your setup is a mix of 3 stans technology.
Your setup didnt produce any gas proving you're right.
Until you have a proof of concept about your theory, stop saying that.
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Without a differential probe one can't view what this technology is doing on the secondary side as it is an isolated circuit and it must remain that way. If you give it a ground it will take it as it is actively searching for one. You all need to be taught how to read the waveform correctly as I can tell you have no idea what you are actually looking at.
The waveform is to be read by the near vertical lines as that is when it is applying a B+ and B- voltage potential to the plates of the exciter array. In the waveform I showed you I put in five pulses and if you count the near vertical lines you will see it has ten of them which is pulse doubling. The waveform isn't perfect as the B+ and B- voltages need to be as close to being equal as one can get them to be. The time for the near vertical lines has to be faster than the relaxation time for water as when it is the water sees it as being the same time. This is how you read the waveform correctly.
Meyer doesn't state that there needs to be a B+ and B- voltage just to be saying something he is telling us how the technology works to make use of voltage to break the bonds of the water molecules. This is how "The Electrical Polarization Process" works. This time as I re-post the learning information take the time to actually read the information being given to you before spouting off at the mouth with a bunch of nonsense.
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/2015-11-25_031923_zpspsrrfric.png) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/2015-11-25_031923_zpspsrrfric.png.html)
Here is a video that will teach you how a differential probe works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDLWQFgJ1uU
Without this measuring device you simply can't view what this technology doing. You need to be able to get a differential reading of what is happening at the plates of the water fuel capacitor. In science we don't assume there is a negative voltage there we actually measure it with the proper tools for the job.
Using the Electrical Polarization Process to break the bonds of the water molecules is what we are trying to do in replicating Meyer's technology, correct? All of you running around telling people you don't need a negative voltage when Meyer himself clearly states we need an equal negative and positive voltage being applied to the plates of the water fuel capacitor are going against what Meyer teaches about this technology we are all trying to duplicate. You running around believing you don't need a differential probe to be able to view this technology isn't going to change the fact that you do need a differential probe to be able to view this technology.
All the other points you made will be ignored as you simply have no idea what you are talking about as you assume too much with no facts to back up what you are saying. You have no idea what my setup looks like right now as I stopped sharing that information since the 2013 Global BEM to those I don't know or trust. Since you don't have a differential probe you have no idea what the waveform actually looks like as you simply don't have the right tools to be able to view this technology.
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Why wont you put us at ease there TGS and give us some gas readings.
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I am still waiting for the "tremenduous amount of hydrogen and oxygen gases" as Stan stated.
TGS can't show any usable production and come here to critisize and desencourage others.
I dont want to see more SH** from TGS until he show some good production with his mixed setup.
My setup produces more with 24v@100ma than TGS with 7kv.
Until that day, better stay away from my topic.
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Why wont you put us at ease there TGS and give us some gas readings.
I might give some MMW numbers but as far as putting on a show for you all with the way you treat me and real science I don't think so. Thus far none of you have been able to surpass the gas production seen in this video with your efforts to reproduce Meyer's technology;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW78gKn1ZZ0
And this is the waveform that goes along with the experiment:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/GasProcessorfinalassembly005-2.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/GasProcessorfinalassembly005-2.jpg.html)
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Where is the Ammeter?
We need to know exactly how many amps, and volts or the power (W).
Your scope shot shows 196V max
How about amp load?
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OH GOD! AMAZING!
You're wasting near to 420W (based on the video description) of electrical power! PRISE TO LORD!
And wasting our time with your pathetic interpretations of stanley meyer stuff.
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OH God! AMAZING!
You're wasting near to 420W (based on the video description) of electrical power! PRISE TO LORD!
And wasting our time with your pathetic interpretations of stanley meyer stuff.
Im glad he posted that X-Blade, maybe his fans will reconsider the bullshit that spews from his keyboard warrior fingers.BTW....
Merry Christmas !!!!
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You all just summed up what is total wrong with Open Source sites as it all about competition as none of you are willing to learn a thing when you see someone doing something you yourselves can not do.
Lets look at just what it takes to get the Electrical Polarization Process working according to Stanley Meyer. Meyer states that it takes 1kv or more per resonant cavity to get the process started. Now if you have an exciter array with 11 resonant cavities wired in series that is going to take 11kv or more to get it to work correctly and if you have one with 10 resonant cavities wired in series it's going to take 10kv or more to get it to work correctly. With a show of hands tell me which of you has ever gotten close to placing voltages this high on your exciter arrays.
I show voltages that are getting close to this benchmark voltage Meyer says is what it takes to get the Electrical Polarization Process stated but since these Open Source forums are all about competition no one ask just how the heck did I do that but instead get mad at me for getting close to the benchmark voltage Meyer has set for us to reach. Some even resort to lying about their work to make it appear they are getting higher voltages than me not understanding that their lies are over the benchmark voltage Meyer gave for us to reach but there setups aren't working correctly. These lies put them in a difficult position in the either they are lying to us or Stanley A. Meyer is lying to us and if it is the ladder then why the hell are we following his work?!!
You talk about that video as if I ran the experiment yesterday but it was ran many years ago using the 8xa circuit and the kicker is your work can't surpass those results and again you get mad for someone calling you out like this instead of asking questions of just what it was did I do to get this 1LPM of gas production using an 8xa circuit with pure distilled water. Yeah, it's only a little more than 1LPM but none of you have surpass this as of yet, not Max, not Russ, not anyone other than someone calling himself spaceman. But you like to rag on people as somehow it makes you feel good about yourselves but never show your work in a presentable manor. Why is that? What are you afraid of?
The bigger question is why isn't Open Source working what is wrong with it's view on getting this technology up and running and out to the masses? The answer to this question can be seen anywhere my work gets posted as instead of asking question these type of forums move to rag on you instead of trying to advance their work. They only care for getting pats on the back when they think they have done something right and get really upset when someone shows them Meyer's own words that makes what they are showing us to be incorrect. They ask, "am I on the right way?" and when they get an honest answer that tells them they are not they get all bent out of shape about it instead of asking how can they correct their work so that it matches up with what Stanley Meyer talks about in his lecture videos. Open Source doesn't work as it got taken over by a bunch of Blind Leaders who can care less about the truth as long as they can get some pats on the back from their blind followers.
But again I ask you to show me anyone else working on this technology that is getting more than 1 LPM? Sure that is crappy gas production but to the best of my knowledge not many has reached this level of gas production with their work on Stanley A. Meyer's technology. Since this is a competition based site and not a learning based site someone please show me gas production greater than that old 8xa circuit video of mines. Surely after what was just said here you can show your work doing a whole lot better than this, correct? Common show your work or is a waveform that is incorrect the best you all have to show for your work?
But since I know you are really hear to rag and not to learn here is another video showing even more gas production as I started to learn how to actually get high voltage to my water fuel capacitor. My learning at this point was below basic concerning this technology but by making use of the scientific method I was able to learn from my early work and keep increasing the voltage being applied to the water fuel capacitor to over 9kv now. Oh, almost forgot, since you like amp load readings at 9kv the amps flowing through the water fuel capacitor are only 0.6mA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NrBEnRtHoE
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Hello guys i would just like to drop my two cents,
in my tests i can go up to 100v applied to the primary at 5 amps... the mean 500w and seriously i wish i could see others being able to do so... because it mean you break the technological step to be able to apply at least power to try to do something...
i have found how is hard to put power at the correct point... the pll helps with that but the point really is if you are not capable of circuit design after are 12v 3 amps you will start to get in trouble... so is sometimes very good to see others devices to understand how they have overcome the difficulties... i posted here my secret in getting power to it... who reads what i wrote may have noticed...
I really hates competition i believe in sharing my thoughts and ideas willing to have someone who understand it and can help develop them if possible... i´m not anyones competidor nor teacher... i´m here for learning the most i can and to change with you all I can.. Sorry if i sometimes won't post so detail info.. in my opinion we are not alone here and we must prevent this technology also to get the wrong hands... i think you would understand what i mean not them as you have the right mind spirit for understanding my ideas.. if i explained in a way more profound probably anyone could understand..
you guys helped me a lot in the sense that if there wasn't anyone to exchange any idea probably most of us would have stopped working on it by lack of motivation... For me is very motivation to see you here present working and discussing, even in a bad manner we are together.. we say family fights but after all we are all brothers!
Now take a look on a microwave oven and check what is a magnetron and what is a resonant cavity!
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Meyer said a lot of contradict.
This KV voltage are on the coils only.
Look at the dune buggy transformer; Did it release some kilovolts to a diode that supports only 600v?
I dont think so!
Put the scope probes over the coils, or simulate on Multisim and get a measurement.
If (I am not saying exactly it is) all coils sharing the same core, the two chokes become part of secondary, based on Tony Woodside and Dynodon measurements of inductance ratio relative to primary coil, you can see the maximum this transformer produces with load is 250V.
Check it by yourself.
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Hello xBlade i can generate 10kv and up pulses dc with that diode without letting it burn... i know that because i can draw a huge arc and only one side of the arc gets hot! meaning only one side is receiving electrons to heat up...
the reason why it don't burn is that the chokes and secondary plays different roles..
the choke coil don't let current to reverse or even change so fast so the diode wont see the peak reversal voltage of the secondary...
look how a microwave diode works and put a coil in series with it and you will understand what i mean..
it allows a capacitor to be charged positively from ground potential making that when the secondary reverts the capacitor and coil sum potentials to negative kv range and forces the electrons thru the magnetron... this diode act as a blocking diode...
The cooking place of the microwave oven is a resonant cavity (i mean where you put the food)
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Thank you sebosfato.
I read some topics you wrote and it makes a lot of sense to me.
And im glad to see you are brazilian, im from Portugal. It can be easy to contact you and exchange some point of view.
Best wishes.
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TGS is trying to charge it with a very large high voltage transformer, this is the point we disagree (and other questions).
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Cool X blade... good to see someone portugues on this too!
i´m trying to find how it works man we are all trying and we may do it if we are in the right mood!
I glad you could see some that i wrote and that it makes sense to you.
I agree with the fact that meyer gave lot of contradiction for us to work with, but i went to university to try reach his knowledge base so i could understand what he was talking about..
almost 9,5 years of work, and most here also from the same time or so... i believe this is because the internet boom after the year 2005 and so people like us could know the existing Stanley meyer story! Some were already educated in the field of sciences and wasn't ready to learn more and left it go... others still keep strong and don't let it go. Also some have less knowledge but a so big heart and will to learn that it compensates it. I´m saying that no one is better than me and i´m not better than anyone here... for me i respect all the efforts of all the people evenly as i want to get peoples respect when is my time.. Of course some people need or deserve a little more attention as they claim to have theories and show some of their excellent very beautiful work like many did and so my action is to be here and listen and learn what i can just the same. I also have my theories which i tried to silently public release but i got no much answers on it.
For example one of my theories tell me that the cell should charge to make alignment of molecules and than the potential must be simply reversed fast enough to allow the reverse polarization of the electronic clouds of the atoms turning off the covalent bound!
...this is the explanation of meyer in the newzealad... the oxygen become negative and repel the covalent electron...hydrogen gets positive and attract the electron...
it only makes it worst to live without
so lets talking about it
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TGS is trying to charge it with a very large high voltage transformer, this is the point we disagree (and other questions).
Wrong again! Since I stop sharing my work after the responses I got from showing high voltage being placed on the water fuel capacitor for the very first time were asking nothing and only aimed at trying to tell me I was doing it all wrong. People went into a frenzy trying to tell everyone that I was doing thing the wrong way and that Meyer had lied to us. You see before this no one had ever figured out how to place a high voltage potential on the plates of the exciter array. This showed that Meyer was in fact telling us the truth as it was possible to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array just as he tells us he was doing. But instead of questions on how did I accomplish this all I got was ridicule and disdain.
I ask very clearly for anyone working on this technology to show results of getting just 1 LPM or more of gas production and I don't see any videos, why is that? I showed you my video of me getting more that 1 LPM of gas production using pure distilled water with no type of acid, base, or salt being added to the water, and no, I did not coat any of the electrodes with something as they are in direct contact with the water in these videos. Surely after all of this smack talk someone can show a video of them getting at least 1 LPM using Meyer's technology can't they?
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/FIGURE7-1.png) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/FIGURE7-1.png.html)
The leads of the differential probe is to be placed on the water fuel capacitor as the voltage must make it to the load. The positive probe lead goes to 66/E9 and the negative probe lead goes to 67/E10. If your voltage doesn't make it too the load how are you going to ionize anything? This is an easy question to answer taking a look at other parts of Stanley Meyer's work like the Gas Processor as it uses the same coil set up to ionize the gas atoms or are you going to say Meyer figured out a way to ionize the air breaking the bonds of the oxygen molecules, which are the targeted molecules he wants to break down, without the need for high voltage? You see the rules for ionization don't change using electricity to go about ionizing atoms. If you are going to ionize atoms using electricity you must place a high voltage potential difference on the targeted atoms. These rules don't change as that is the way ionization works when using electricity to ionize things so you must get the voltage to the target and somehow you all forgot what the target is. The target is the atoms that make up the water molecules, IE, the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. That's the target for ionization and if you are not getting the voltage to the target how are you to go about ionizing these atoms to facilitate breaking the bonds of the water molecules as Meyer tells us he is doing with the Electrical Polarization Process?
The voltage intensifier circuit is designed to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the water fuel capacitor while restricting the flow of amps into the milli amp range, isn't that what Meyer says? So, when I show you my results of doing exactly that why don't any of you want to learn how to do it too is my question? Yeah, you pointed out that the VIC transformers I showed in use at the 2013 Global BEM wouldn't work on the exciter array and I tell you know that was a very expensive lesson to learn, but I did learn that lesson as I am not afraid to fail for I understand we learn most from our failures. My setup now looks similar to this but is more compact and refined as my re-design of Meyer's technology can be carried by one man without much trouble at all:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/VIC_ResonantCavity_Units.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/VIC_ResonantCavity_Units.jpg.html)
You see I am placing a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array to go about performing the Electrical Polarization Process just as Meyer describes in his patents and many lecture videos. I got the voltage to the target for I never got so lost as to forget that the targets are the atoms that make up the water molecules. But as I stated I have a little bit more voltage to go before I reach the benchmark Meyer states that is needed to be reached of 1kv per resonant cavity as currently I am at 930-940 volts which close but no dice. With the new design I am working on right now I should be able to reach and surpass this benchmark Meyer's says it needed to make the technology work correctly. Now if anyone still thinks high voltage isn't the way to go to go about the Electrical Polarization Process then you need to listen to the New Zealand video again as Meyer clearly states if someone places a high voltage on the water molecules they have violated my patent rights.
Well, I have to get back to building this new setup as it isn't going to build itself.
Take care all,
TGS
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TGS is trying to charge it with a very large high voltage transformer, this is the point we disagree (and other questions).
Wrong again! Since I stop sharing my work after the responses I got from showing high voltage being placed on the water fuel capacitor for the very first time were asking nothing and only aimed at trying to tell me I was doing it all wrong. People went into a frenzy trying to tell everyone that I was doing thing the wrong way and that Meyer had lied to us. You see before this no one had ever figured out how to place a high voltage potential on the plates of the exciter array. This showed that Meyer was in fact telling us the truth as it was possible to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array just as he tells us he was doing. But instead of questions on how did I accomplish this all I got was ridicule and disdain.
I ask very clearly for anyone working on this technology to show results of getting just 1 LPM or more of gas production and I don't see any videos, why is that? I showed you my video of me getting more that 1 LPM of gas production using pure distilled water with no type of acid, base, or salt being added to the water, and no, I did not coat any of the electrodes with something as they are in direct contact with the water in these videos. Surely after all of this smack talk someone can show a video of them getting at least 1 LPM using Meyer's technology can't they?
http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/FIGURE7-1.png
The leads of the differential probe is to be placed on the water fuel capacitor as the voltage must make it to the load. The positive probe lead goes to 66/E9 and the negative probe lead goes to 67/E10. If your voltage doesn't make it too the load how are you going to ionize anything? This is an easy question to answer taking a look at other parts of Stanley Meyer's work like the Gas Processor as it uses the same coil set up to ionize the gas atoms or are you going to say Meyer figured out a way to ionize the air breaking the bonds of the oxygen molecules, which are the targeted molecules he wants to break down, without the need for high voltage? You see the rules for ionization don't change using electricity to go about ionizing atoms. If you are going to ionize atoms using electricity you must place a high voltage potential difference on the targeted atoms. These rules don't change as that is the way ionization works when using electricity to ionize things so you must get the voltage to the target and somehow you all forgot what the target is. The target is the atoms that make up the water molecules, IE, the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. That's the target for ionization and if you are not getting the voltage to the target how are you to go about ionizing these atoms to facilitate breaking the bonds of the water molecules as Meyer tells us he is doing with the Electrical Polarization Process?
The voltage intensifier circuit is designed to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the water fuel capacitor while restricting the flow of amps into the milli amp range, isn't that what Meyer says? So, when I show you my results of doing exactly that why don't any of you want to learn how to do it too is my question? Yeah, you pointed out that the VIC transformers I showed in use at the 2013 Global BEM wouldn't work on the exciter array and I tell you know that was a very expensive lesson to learn, but I did learn that lesson as I am not afraid to fail for I understand we learn most from our failures. My setup now looks similar to this but is more compact and refined as my re-design of Meyer's technology can be carried by one man without much trouble at all:
http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/VIC_ResonantCavity_Units.jpg
You see I am placing a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array to go about performing the Electrical Polarization Process just as Meyer describes in his patents and many lecture videos. I got the voltage to the target for I never got so lost as to forget that the targets are the atoms that make up the water molecules. But as I stated I have a little bit more voltage to go before I reach the benchmark Meyer states that is needed to be reached of 1kv per resonant cavity as currently I am at 930-940 volts which close but no dice. With the new design I am working on right now I should be able to reach and surpass this benchmark Meyer's says it needed to make the technology work correctly. Now if anyone still thinks high voltage isn't the way to go to go about the Electrical Polarization Process then you need to listen to the New Zealand video again as Meyer clearly states if someone places a high voltage on the water molecules they have violated my patent rights.
Well, I have to get back to building this new setup as it isn't going to build itself.
Take care all,
TGS
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I agree with that TGS , meyer said exactly that!
thats what i´m trying to do i think,,,
when you get your both probes leads connected to the same point in the circuit there should not be any signal... but anyway there is a noise... if you get 1000v from cell to ground and place both leads at the 1000v pulsing how much noise you get on the differential signal?
i have something real not good to work with... thats why i shield my cell trying to get rid of it.. did your is shielded like mine?
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Oh boy, here we go again.
TGS (Ed) trying to mark his territory!
Do you know why science has
setup things the way they have? It's to keep people like you and Stan out.
How would you feel in your profession if some random person came up to you
and told you that your wrong, then used terminology that is not only incorrect, it's laughable.
Would you believe him. You've got a personality like sand paper chill out man. Your
not going to win the grand prize!
OMG, OMFG!
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TGS you show amp meter without volts in. what was the power in?
This s not resonant cell its a crap forced high voltage electrolysis below Faraday Electrolysis.
#vaitomarnocu
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I agree with X-Blade,
I have had the same voltages using a similar setup.
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Hey Adriank,
i don't think Stan ever used a wrong terminology... Stan was a man of science and very high level for what i observed.. He has develop an argumentation to be able to patent it and keep it from who dont have the same knowledge base of his to be able to understand what he was doing.
I started a physics course to get to known in the language of science... without it could even be here telling you that my felling was very strong and i was in the right direction and all but truly, of course if i´m now a physics guy i know more than i did before studying it and my felling isn't much worst after all. maybe i´m little older and slower but never dumber haha
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Oh boy, here we go again.
TGS (Ed) trying to mark his territory!
Do you know why science has
setup things the way they have? It's to keep people like you and Stan out.
How would you feel in your profession if some random person came up to you
and told you that your wrong, then used terminology that is not only incorrect, it's laughable.
Would you believe him. You've got a personality like sand paper chill out man. Your
not going to win the grand prize!
OMG, OMFG!
Looks like your correct as it seems Ronnie and team are going to be the first to get a working model but only time will tell.
As for the science behind the technology? I understand what must be done now by way of trail and error making use of the scientific method. It took a long time to figure this technology out but at least I know understand just how Stanley A. Meyer did it :)
If at any point you notice that I did not give some information it means I wont okay X-Blade?
I'll keep checking back from time to time to see if any one post a video showing more that 1 LPM of gas production using Stanley Meyer's technology as I see nothing but a lot of claims here with no video or photographic proof. People running around saying that they have put 10kv or more to their water fuel capacitors but no photos of the waveform showing the proof of claims of the event. See in this photo the differential probe leads hooked up directly to the exciter array? As that is how I have the setup connected and if you wish to compare apples to apples then you too must also have it hooked up in the very same spot. I am getting the high voltage to the target just as I have shown but I don't see anyone else showing the same results.
But now with all these latest comment you can clearly see this site is one of Competition!
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/IMG_0700_zps8bd5a84c.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/IMG_0700_zps8bd5a84c.jpg.html)
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Was that just a reasonable amount in the scientific method or did that number just leak out of your mouth..... PROVE IT..... please :)
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I don't get it....
Since when are you the judge of everyone else's work Ed?
Everyone here is following their own path of learning and experimentation.
There's more people doing much more work that aren't on any forums than those in the forums.
Do you really think if you post the first working model you'll get any credit for it?
Why has this become a competition? What's the deal?
People are just posting and sharing what they are learning and have done. Then you come in and tell everyone they are wrong and your 'the only one' who knows how it works!
Do you see why you don't have many friends on the forums?
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I don't get it....
Since when are you the judge of everyone else's work Ed?
Everyone here is following their own path of learning and experimentation.
There's more people doing much more work that aren't on any forums than those in the forums.
Do you really think if you post the first working model you'll get any credit for it?
Why has this become a competition? What's the deal?
People are just posting and sharing what they are learning and have done. Then you come in and tell everyone they are wrong and your 'the only one' who knows how it works!
Do you see why you don't have many friends on the forums?
Read earlier post so you can get up to speed on the topic as you jumping in the middle isn't working for you as you are taking things out of context.
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Was that just a reasonable amount in the scientific method or did that number just leak out of your mouth..... PROVE IT..... please :)
For right now the goal is to reach the benchmark Meyer set for us in the patents of reaching 1kv or more per resonant cavity to get the Electrical Polarization Process running correctly. Thus far I seem to be the only one getting close to actually reaching this number and if successful I will be able to say if Meyer was telling the truth or not from a experimental point of view.
What all of you fail to realize is I don't have anyone to compare notes with right now as I don't know of anyone getting voltages to their cells this high or if anyone even has the same goal of reaching this benchmark Meyer talks about in the patents. As for proving anything to you, why as I showed you mines and you have failed to show a single thing, am I correct?
Well, I feel like talking to Dave right now so I bid you all farewell and a pleasant good night.
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Not sure if the you commented me adriantek i´m no judge i was just telling you how i feel about stan... TGS has his belief and i have mines... i´m just trying to make of this relationship the better it can be..
TGS i will do some scope shots to show you.. but i will ask one more time what is your noise level pulsing the differential probe both leads at 1kv amplitude and maybe at 10khz... just to know if how much noise i get is normal... i get more than 200v on the 2000x noise in that condition for me its not going to help anyway... i did a cage to shield and try get the right measurements.. how about you?
how you put 10kv there and get no interference?
TGS you talk about using this equipment but its error is essential to know what you did, in the scientific world if you give me a measurement and not the precision of your measurement it is totally not useable... To get a real measurements you must make tables and include the propagation of the errors and all...
so i ask once again what is your precision? at least noise level? so we know we can compare apples to apples like you say.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2993.0;attach=14439;image)
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Not sure if the you commented me adriantek i´m no judge i was just telling you how i feel about stan... TGS has his belief and i have mines... i´m just trying to make of this relationship the better it can be..
TGS i will do some scope shots to show you.. but i will ask one more time what is your noise level pulsing the differential probe both leads at 1kv amplitude and maybe at 10khz... just to know if how much noise i get is normal... i get more than 200v on the 2000x noise in that condition for me its not going to help anyway... i did a cage to shield and try get the right measurements.. how about you?
how you put 10kv there and get no interference?
TGS you talk about using this equipment but its error is essential to know what you did, in the scientific world if you give me a measurement and not the precision of your measurement it is totally not useable... To get a real measurements you must make tables and include the propagation of the errors and all...
so i ask once again what is your precision? at least noise level? so we know we can compare apples to apples like you say.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2993.0;attach=14439;image)
I already told you I don't have any noise problems with the differential probes that I use as they are working perfectly for me. I don't talk about percent error on forms like these as the people on these forums simply aren't up for that level of science. Most of the time I am within plus or minus 3% with anything that I do and the differential probes I have are all plus or minus 2% so the numbers I show and/or talk about are good.
When it comes to the things I build most of the time I am within plus or minus 0.002% inches. On the exciter array the space gap between the resonant cavities are within plus or minus 0.0005 inches. I take great care to build things or have them made to some very high standards.
In forums like these what is needed most is some form of standardization as we have too many people running about comparing apples to oranges and oranges to melons there is no standardization to be found here. People don't even have the right equipment to view this technology correctly and they tend to also force what they believe onto their experiments instead of listening to what their experiments are trying to teach or show them. Mostly they don't like hooking up the leads to the capacitor as it will show some really low voltages being applied to their water fuel capacitors and they don't want to be made fun of like they like to make fun of everyone else so they cheat and put the probes someplace else where they can see some high voltage. All this cheating really does is hold their work back as they aren't being honest with themselves nor are they being honest with the group as they are in full competition mode and and when someone like me comes around and shows 8.8kv being applied to a water fuel capacitor and if they hook up their probes to the same place are only getting 5-12 volts to their cells they get mad.
They don't ask how did I do it, what am I doing differently than what they are doing, and thus far have been totally rude and demanding towards me and some even racist. I remember Russ finally reaching 1kv and the crowd when mad but then I said to myself, "Wait a minute, I showed over 4kv more than a year before he reached 1kv and all I got was childish behavior, disdain, envy, and a bunch of smack talk for my doing so." I showed scope shots of 8.8kv being applied to the exciter array and again all I get is the worse people have to offer as it seems no one has anything good to say.
Massive and I uncovered the science behind the patents and it was completely ignored in this forum. I don't have much hope for these Open Source forums as they are not about sharing, learning, and comparing each others work but all about competition and ego worship constantly looking for pats on the back, and putting down anyone's work that seems to be getting far better results than they are getting.
Look at all the examples I give of Meyer telling us how the technology works and they just turn around and attack the messenger. I post what the electrical polarization process is in Meyer's own words and they still attack the messenger. I show Meyer himself telling us he is ionizing the atoms that make up the water molecules to break the bonds of the water molecules and again they attack the messenger. Are you seeing a pattern here as I know I sure am. From what I can see they simply do not want this technology despite saying that they do. They aren't willing to perform experiments, get the right tools for the job, or do anything in a standardized way.
What makes me qualified to be a judge they ask?, and the answer is "experience" as I have been there and done that. Right away I got the right tools for the job so that I could see just what was being applied to the water fuel capacitor. I didn't argue with the tools but just used them so I could observe the experiments and ask questions on what I was observing in real time. I set up a laboratory note book so that I could write what I was observing down and ask and answer questions about those notes of my observations. I used engineering principles when designing things so that I could improve things if I found a problem(s) that warranted a total redesign. I have a lot of experience with this technology and finally I have the science behind the technology.
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Was that just a reasonable amount in the scientific method or did that number just leak out of your mouth..... PROVE IT..... please :)
As for proving anything to you, why as I showed you mines and you have failed to show a single thing, am I correct?
More than you will ever know :)
If you can prove even 1 LPM (wich is less than a fart btw) things may go a little better ...round here.I along with at least most others have very little faith in that 1 LPM claim you have.Its pretty petty to have to try and get such a great scientist to prove a mere 1 LPM, do you concur?
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Here is a scope shot showing it work good at 60Hz at channel blue 2, both probes are connected to 360vpp line also the probe at the first channel so we know what is the peak...
so if the signal is peak to peak 360vpp and it gets 1,6vpp noise or error in the differential signal this mean an error of 0,44%
the problem really seems when it gets to higher frequency... i think i can try adding a potentiometer to one of the leads and try to trim out this..
another thing is that i needed to couple the probe with AC otherwise it will show a dc bias over that apear as a noise in measurement and this is about more or less from 550 to 650mv at 200x division ... and 450mv at 2000x division... independent of the where the probes are connected or not
Do you noticed it does your probe show this behavior or not getting to zero volts if not connected to nothing using dc coupling of the channel?
i know it seems a stupid question.. but may help me know if mine is working well...
so do you couple it to the oscilloscope using the dc mode or ac and if dc does it show zero when not connected to measure but turned on ?
Thanks agains
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2993.0;attach=14447;image)
the second image show the bias
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3015.0;attach=14449)
this scope shots are made on the 200x division of the differential probe... compensated by the oscilloscope fro measurement value..
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well a 3 % error would mean that if you have 100vpp you already get 3v of noise?
and if you have 10000v you get what 300v? so how do we know if this is just miscalibration or if is a real voltage at the cell my friend?
If not
why the 3%?
You see the problem i´m facing here?
300v appearing here could mislead totally what you are seeing as the waveforms also will get distorted out of it..
the probe seems to be working just fine but if we could get around on this problem it would be a perfect probe!
maybe small difference in the wires who knows..
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well a 3 % error would mean that if you have 100vpp you already get 3v of noise?
and if you have 10000v you get what 300v? so how do we know if this is just miscalibration or if is a real voltage at the cell my friend?
If not
why the 3%?
You see the problem i´m facing here?
300v appearing here could mislead totally what you are seeing as the waveforms also will get distorted out of it..
the probe seems to be working just fine but if we could get around on this problem it would be a perfect probe!
maybe small difference in the wires who knows..
I'd say turn your differential probe back in as you got a bum one. As I told you I don't get any noise and 2% error is what the probe I have is rated at. I set it on AC for the oscilloscope as that is what is coming out of the VIC going to the exciter array. It's a modified AC wave but it is AC none the less complete with a B+ and a B- voltage as per what Meyer talks about in his lecture videos and patent information. So when I show a scope shot of 8.8kv that is plus or minus 176 volts of that reading which is a good reading of the voltage that I show is high voltage. At 9.4kv the reading is good for plus or minus 188 volts so no matter what I am above 9000 volts of potential difference being applied to the plates of the exciter array.
Meyer says a cell of my size needs 10kv or more to work correctly so that is what I am shooting for. A cell your size will require 11kv or more according to the information Meyer gives us for it to work correctly. Only when we have reached these voltage levels being applied to the water fuel capacitor can we say Meyer was telling the truth or not with integrity. Not high voltage being applied to the choke but high voltage being applied to the load which is the water fuel capacitor with a resistance of Re according to what Meyer shows us in the patent information. If the transformer you make can't handle the load it will not send any high voltage to the exciter array. This is a problem most faced before I showed high voltage being applied to the exciter array at the 2013 Global BEM as when they hooked up their probes to the exciter array they would only see 5-10 volts being applied to the load. Then comes along Max, Ronnie, and me showing that you can put a high voltage to the load. Then Russ finally crossed the 1kv mark with Ronnie's help, Outlawstc with Max's help, and several others with my help. We all still have work to do but at least we are all getting high voltage to the load. We may not agree on many things but we all hook up our probes to the same place to take our readings from so we can compare to each others work as we all have apples.
Right now from what you have told me about your work you are getting 15kv at the chokes but need to figure out why this voltage isn't making it to the load. Just so you don't waste any more money I will tell you that your transformer turn ratio is way off and you should adjust it to the same or nearly the same as what Meyer's is which is around 1:3 to 1:8 as any higher and the transformers can't take the load the exciter array places on them. I have already told you that the secondary and the chokes need to have the same turn count and have shown you just how to wire everything up correctly, at least I think I have, plus a whole lot more.
Now this waveform isn't mines but note he does have a B+ and a B- voltage being applied to the plates of the exciter array and is in the kv range. His voltages aren't balanced as the B+ and B- voltages need to be close to being equal as you can get but it is workable.
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/2015-08-09_112058_zpsvyspwktk.png) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/2015-08-09_112058_zpsvyspwktk.png.html)
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TGS : Put your fat a*s out of this topic, you dont respect others opinion, so you are not adding anything to the research, please stay away from this topic.
Better any Moderator CLOSE THIS TOPIC.
Where is the calculation of the resonant cavity? do you even know any principle about what it is and how it works?
I will continue my research by myself offline without "interferences" of the "smart" men like TGS.
See you soon.
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http://uspas.fnal.gov/materials/09UNM/ResonantCavities.pdf
Resonant cavities may have dielectric medium inside, and obviously act as RC oscillator
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TGS : Put your fat a*s out of this topic, you dont respect others opinion, so you are not adding anything to the research, please stay away from this topic.
Better any Moderator CLOSE THIS TOPIC.
Where is the calculation of the resonant cavity? do you even know any principle about what it is and how it works?
I will continue my research by myself offline without "interferences" of the "smart" men like TGS.
See you soon.
You see my point, this guy shows up to apple hill with an assortment of nuts and wonders why we are all looking at him funny.
Here is yet another person showing a B+ and a B- voltage being applied to his water fuel capacitor. Again the voltages aren't as balanced as they could be but it is workable and "we" can compare notes as we have brought apples to apple hill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk2IutZfi6o
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No problem man i will figure it out.. good luck
thanks anyway
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TGS you are making mistakes again posting in this topic, there is another split "who is right discussion" on the forum. lets discuss some point of view
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TGS you are making mistakes again posting in this topic, there is another split "who is right discussion" on the forum. lets discuss some point of view
Right, lets back to subject
xBlade can you make some more clear scope shots? i could not really see what you have going there..
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Here we go again!
Some people over this foruns said its impossible to get the step-charging effect without tube coatings... here is the proof,
Check my new scope shots:
1. Step-Charge over the cell
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/step0001.jpg)]
2. Upside: Channel 1 - across the cell
Downside: Channel 2 - Pulse train applied to the transistor
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/step0003.jpg)
Feel free tgo ask and comment.
what is the voltage potential of the cell?
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This is to kill some disinformation that water capacitor cant charge with direct electrodes to water. Each pulse of train voltage rises to some limit that maintain the maximum level when you apply more pulses per train, only that.
Ed (TGS) started immediatly throwing "sh*t to the fan" and got it back, as expected.
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He has no potential voltage it's all positive. That is what I keep trying to point out to him he only has a B+ voltage and no B- voltage. The voltage is no more than 24-50 volts if that. He is so far away from what Meyer is doing he might as well make a new patent.
I pointed out just what Meyer says about needing an equal B+ and B- voltage trying to help him and lead him out of the ditch but he likes being in the ditch getting pats on the back for doing absolutely nothing near to what Meyer was doing. I show him others that are also getting good results since the sight of my work offends him but it seems all of our work offends him be it Don Gable, Outlawstc, Max Miller, Ronnie, Neal, Russ, and anyone else getting similar results as it doesn't matter we all suck in his book.
He ask a question, "Am I on the right way?" and doesn't like the answers he is getting. Reading this tells us we need both a B+ and B- voltage to get the electrical polarization process to take place. And for those that don't like what Meyer named this process tough as he gave his life for this technology so show some respect!
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/2015-11-25_031811_zpsh5d681p4.png) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/2015-11-25_031811_zpsh5d681p4.png.html)
This video above all others Meyer really gave a lot of good information about this technology away for those who have an ear to hear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGqCaVFWIWQ
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And what you do with the words Unipolar pulses?
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And what you do with the words Unipolar pulses?
This is the pulse generator I use that sends programmable pulses to the primary coil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqbIgSiGxcc
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How does an apple feel about a current waveform?Banana would like to see it just for shits and giggles.
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Why the hell anyone need this circui and software? are you trying to sell something? lol
I got my own generator it is called Arduino Nano xD
I wrote a code that you select the frequency, number of pulses per train and interval between them from microseconds to milliseconds.
Thats only an 16x2 LCD, an arduino nano v3, pushbutton and an rotary encoder.
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And what you do with the words Unipolar pulses?
This is the pulse generator I use that sends programmable pulses to the primary coil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqbIgSiGxcc
DC or AC power across a diode will result unipolar pulses.
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Fyi,
Please keep it nice for everybody here...
Thanks
Admin Steve