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Projects by members => Projects by members => Electrotek => Topic started by: electrotek on September 03, 2015, 19:11:11 pm
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Here's a picture showing my Injector development. The one made with shipping tape eventually melted and carbonized, burning out. The new one is made with high temperature muffler tape. In the past, I've gotten a large red fireball, from a few drops of drinking water, simply by placing a ring magnet on top of the basic cube element before firing my Plasmoid circuit.
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Here's a snap shot showing some lightning bolts thrown out of the Plasmoid projector. This is on a millisecond time scale, so I had to make a number of videos to capture the image.
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My inexpensive Cube can be expanded, with one or more additional chambers, so that water can be used as the ONLY source of fuel. This is what MEYER claimed for his system, water only.
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hope to see it working
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Here's a snap shot of the ion plume produced by my Injector Cube. (This is with no water added.)
(http://s20.postimg.org/ua42e84ml/frame2012.jpg)
This is simpler, and cheaper, than Meyer's original hardware. This doesn't require an external source of ions. Or his related compressed air supply - tank or engine mounted pump. When water is added, the voltage gradient produced across the capacitive plates embedded in the cube will pump the vapor, acting as a mini particle accelerator. (I've verified this part of it.) No compressed air needed here either. Also, each embedded plate has a different momentary potential. Therefor, the water molecules are subjected to a changing stress field as they quickly move past each plate in sequence. And, the edges of the plates don't have to actually touch the water for the voltage gradient to affect it. Therefor, there's minimal electrical current flow through the water, in the form of a leakage current only.
My next version will be designed to have a broad spectrum resonance. But I still plan to add an ignition suppressing 'quenching circuit' plate to this one, for further testing prior to including the bubbler.
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I got a good price on a bag of 100 capacitors from Electronic Goldmine. These are 2 MFD each, rated at 275 VAC. The thing is, I've learned in the past that the DC rating of a cap is much higher than its AC rating. So I hooked one up to my MOT, with a string of diodes, and it's holding. I've got the transformer current limited with two 100 Watt light bulbs wired in series with the primary, with the bulbs themselves wired in parallel. This enables me to power the setup with a small battery driven inverter.
This one little capacitor holds twice the power of a normal MW Oven cap (when powered by the MW transformer), but all of these caps together won't hold the same Joules as my 16 MFD 7.5 kV defibrillator cap. However, I've made the decision to run some tests of my gradient plate Injector Cube at a lower power level. And I'm going to see what my Firestorm spark plug replica does with my Plasmoid circuit.
I've also got a side project using caps to produce Meyer's step charging waveform - powered by the MOT. I put four caps in series, hit them with a pulse, then took a reading across one of them and got 400 Volts. So the MOT's output is in the 500 to 2,000 Volt range Meyer specifies in one of his patents. I also found a patent which has a circuit to extract the ripple voltage from the cap.
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you could make a giant bank...
good to see you are on the mots.... =) good luck
post some more about it...
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Dont kill yourself....
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Dont kill yourself....
If I do, it will be through carelessness. The need for extreme caution when working with, or even around, High Voltage can't be over stressed or stated too often. This is especially true when connecting capacitors in series. Discharging a bank doesn't remove the charge from the individual caps. This can be used to advantage, but it also presents a potential bio hazard.
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you could make a giant bank...
That's what I'm going to do. At one kV the one MFD cap makes a tiny little Plasmoid ball. Piggy backing it on an ignition coil's spark would make a bigger looking effect but there would still be only the small amount of proper content (bidirectional potential) in the spark.
I've got a block of the caps super glued together and will decide how to wire them up based on desired voltage and reasonable capacity. I'll probably go up to around 5 kV with a multiplier circuit, then see how many MFD I can reasonably get. With series/parallel wiring, 25 caps would give me 5 MFD.
Joules equal one half Volts squared times Farads. kV squared cancels the one millionth factor in MFD, so it would be one half 25 Volts times 5, which is 62.5 Joules.
As a point of reference, my Injector Cube was fired with 500 Joules. A 100 Hp ICE engine needs 9,000 Joules per second if all of the power were to come from the spark.
(http://s20.postimg.org/ua42e84ml/frame2012.jpg)
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keeping an eye on whats going on here .
ages ago I used 15Kv caps , I left the legs long and used the sheath off wire cable to insulate the legs , also glue to seal around all joins .
each cap is 2 1/4" apart
the caps were insulated good , the thing is I play with fly backs and the voltage arc went screaming over the lot
any way interesting what your doing , I may have reason to get these back into service
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My capacitor bank figures are way off. With five strings of five, the value of the bank is the same as a single cap. That's only 2 MFD, providing 25 Joules. I may have to dig into my two 100 count bags of one MFD caps, although I haven't verified these will hold at one kV.
Mental fog from reading too much Troll. "Blah, blah, blah, ah blah, and oblong bull shit." On and on, over and over.
keeping an eye on whats going on here .
ages ago I used 15Kv caps , I left the legs long and used the sheath off wire cable to insulate the legs , also glue to seal around all joins .
each cap is 2 1/4" apart
the caps were insulated good , the thing is I play with fly backs and the voltage arc went screaming over the lot
any way interesting what your doing , I may have reason to get these back into service
15 kV caps should produce some stupendous results. Energy increases with the square of the voltage. My picture shows a 7.5 kV, 16 MFD cap not quite fully charged.
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I checked my smaller caps and they are holding at close to 2 kV DC - rated at 275 VAC. So I wired up a small bank, with 16 caps, four strings of four. This resolves to one MFD at 4 kV. I also wired up a 4 times multiplier, using the same size of caps. I can now power the whole assembly with my current-limited MOT.
Unfortunately, every one of my cameras has disappeared, somehow. This includes my video camera and the old non activated android phone. (I had them stored in two different places.) Therefor, the image part of my presentation will have to wait till I get a replacement.
And I've been doing some thinking. One MFD at 4 kV will give me 8 Joules. However, if I use the 16 caps in parallel, for 16 MFD at one kV, I'll still have 8 Joules, the way the math works out. It looks like there may not be an advantage to wiring a group of caps for a higher voltage. Bidirectional potentials is what produces the ionizing radiation associated with the Plasmoid effect. If a lower voltage Plasmoid is stretched out by piggybacking it on a much higher voltage spark (the way Ed Gray did), the Plasmoid will still ionize, and magnetize, every molecule of CO2 it comes in contact with. The longer spark will then allow for the production of an ion cascade, the same as shown in my picture.
I also wired my multiplier up for use with either polarity, by adding an extra cap at the top. This is the same cap I can use for extracting the ripple voltage at the high end potential.
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15kv is the dc rating of the caps , it was for a multiplier . I was wondering if LV super caps could be used on pri circuit but when ever C are in series every thing gets halved......
mouser have filters to search for AC or DC caps @ what ever rating your after
http://www.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Capacitors/_/N-5g7r?P=1ykkkla&Keyword=capacitor&FS=True
rolling your own HV cap is an option ........ one Ive never taken
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I was wondering if LV super caps could be used on pri circuit but when ever C are in series every thing gets halved......
Even with the reduced value from series use the super caps would have a high MFD rating, which would affect their discharge time constant. At times, this can be an important issue which requires re-sizing the inductor. Sometimes, it's better to use a low value, high voltage cap, to get the needed Joules.
rolling your own HV cap is an option ........ one Ive never taken
I've done this a lot, but the value is in the low nF range. Not enough energy for some applications.
A spiral line capacitor, using vector inversion to generate HV, is also a good option. Here's a patent which describes a winding technique which will produce any predetermined amount of energy at any predetermined voltage (for instance, Mega Joules at kilo Volts, with LV input):
https://www.google.com/patents/US5567995?dq=5567995&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ0-yIsqDKAhVJeD4KHbUWAQkQ6AEIHDAA
Here's a simpler patent which describes the basic spiral line operation:
https://www.google.com/patents/US4325004?dq=4325004&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-lufzs6DKAhUGSyYKHR85DQcQ6AEIHzAA
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I only just glanced over at Mic caps , theyre 1uf , 2kv , so I assume thems the caps you have a pile of . also theyre oil inside so rugged enough .
I havent got any MOT , I got rid of them so they werent an option laying around .
considering my own safety .
Ive had a hit form flyback which is HV DC , not directly but it does find its way across anything , aswell as the insulated screw driver I used! I see FBT safer than MOT . nothing I use is wall AC . Ive seen guys cutting the core of MOT on net , I assumed they were going for gapping FBT and fast discharge .
this sites quite well known in HV circles = http://www.niell.org/exploding.html
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I only just glanced over at Mic caps , theyre 1uf , 2kv , so I assume thems the caps you have a pile of . also theyre oil inside so rugged enough .
I havent got any MOT , I got rid of them so they werent an option laying around .
considering my own safety .
Ive had a hit form flyback which is HV DC , not directly but it does find its way across anything , aswell as the insulated screw driver I used! I see FBT safer than MOT . nothing I use is wall AC . Ive seen guys cutting the core of MOT on net , I assumed they were going for gapping FBT and fast discharge .
this sites quite well known in HV circles = http://www.niell.org/exploding.html
Mine aren't oil filled.
Here's the smaller one:
http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G20839
Here's the bigger one:
http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G20235
This is listed as one MFD, but the label says 2 X 1 MFD.
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what a deal !! especially the red caps
maybe the box caps are for centre tapped coil so theres 2 , one from each leg . I think these are mainly input filter caps .
Ive only seen them in filter circuits .
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A spiral line generator is a capacitor which is wound in a spiral, with two sheets of dielectric and two conductors, with connections at both ends.
In such apparatus where a voltage V is initially applied to the spiral at one end, the subsequent closure of a spark gap switch at the other end will cause a transient voltage to be developed of 2nV, where n is the number of turns in the spiral.
This kind of apparatus can produce voltages up to a hundred times the input, in a single unit. (No transformer required.) Rather than using a spark gap switch, semiconductor components, such as Sidacs, are often used to fire the cap when it reaches a predetermined charge. (I just got a bag of a hundred Sidacs.) There are quite a few patents in this category.
Here's a link to the first patent:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US3289015.pdf
Here's a simple circuit used with HID lamps:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US4353012.pdf
Here's a lamp starter with two push/pull strip lines:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US4608521.pdf
Here's one which produces a square wave:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US4140917.pdf
Here's a HV version (HV in, higher voltage out):
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US4507567.pdf
Here's a nano second version which uses a step recovery diode that "slams shut":
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US3764830.pdf
Here's a cheap version which can conveniently be made out of ribbon cable:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US4717834.pdf
Here's one which is wrapped around an inductor:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US4724362.pdf
I installed some outside building lights at a shopping mall which had this as part of the ballast. If the wave form were rectified and sent through a bifilar coil, it might provide a cheap alternative to Stan Meyer's 8xa circuit.
(http://s20.postimg.org/8wynxxg8d/pulses.jpg)
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what a deal !! especially the red caps
maybe the box caps are for centre tapped coil so theres 2 , one from each leg . I think these are mainly input filter caps .
Ive only seen them in filter circuits .
It WAS a deal. And I got the box caps on special for $20/100.
Wish I had a circuit for an input filter for my MOT, so it doesn't keep blowing my inverter with my special application. (I'm tying the MOT's two neutral wires together with a 5 nF cap.)
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you need varistors and tvs´s
I have build a spiral generator... dint work exactly as i expected... i did the two foil one using two kraft papers of isolation the foils had 5cm or 6cm x 3m than filled on oil i think there was 30 turns or so...... and pulsed .... maybe with an Halfbridge could have worked better.,,, i have tried charging thru a charging resistor and switch direct...
i want to change to plastic,,, the capacitance was 100nf between the foils...
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Someone who made it work used different metals in the two foils. The one in the building lights was pretty thick for the number of turns, like it had hard thick layers for the dielectric. Or was loosely wound but stiff. And it was around four inches wide.
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i used copper foils but also got aluminum as i was planning to make an electrolytic version of it with high capacitance...
Mine i wound on a NI99 core from thornton.com.br its 1 square inch by 4 inches at the end the spiral had around 4 inches diameter..
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Someone who made it work used different metals in the two foils. The one in the building lights was pretty thick for the number of turns, like it had hard thick layers for the dielectric. Or was loosely wound but stiff. And it was around four inches wide.
most likely the copper should not need to be thick but the dielectric thickness must withstand the charging voltage at least.. but of course greater than this to prevent it from burning anyway,.
i saw one with 3 foils in it.. this should be easier to make work maybe...
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I put together a four stage voltage multiplier with the cheap caps, fed by the MOT. This is hooked up to a bank with four strings of four caps. The caps are holding. And I also verified that there is a ripple voltage spark from the output of the auxiliary cap at the top, relative to the high potential output electrode. This spark is swinging around 6.4 kV, plus and minus some or all of the 1600 kV across the top cap. (These figures are approximate, due to losses in the multiplier.) And I'm using the bank as the load, between the high point electrode and ground. It should be obvious that the ripple voltage could power a step up transformer, rather than the current source shown in the patent.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US4789997.pdf
When I have time, I'll test this with my cell which has less than optimal electrode spacing.
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My new gradient plate is super thin, just under a quarter inch. This allows it to accommodate the shorter spark from a MOT. It still has the nine layers of aluminum foil, separated by dielectric. I'm using a mixture of furnace cement and magnesium oxide. The furnace cement is basically water glass (sodium silicate), which is easy to make, and I got the magnesium oxide by drying out a bottle of Milk of Magnesia. This last part is to increase the electrical insulation. And I've found out that iron citrate would also help with the insulation factor.
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I've also been working on my capacitor bank. It now has two one MFD banks in parallel. This is putting out a reasonably good spark. I've got two ripple voltage take off caps and both will spark to the multiplier output. With six caps and two exotic outputs, I'm calling the multiplier part of it a "Gray Network". My goal is to produce an over/under waveform, with two sine waves, one above the other, with a constant potential difference between them. Two square wave pulse trains would also work, with each train switching between two values, while maintaining a constant amplitude difference.
(http://s9.postimg.org/fk5wbpylr/Capacitor_Bank.jpg)
I don't really need the capacitor bank while using the Gray Network, although I may need to short the multiplier's output with a resistor. And I don't think a differential probe will show the waves, due to the lack of changing difference between them. You'd probably need a spectrum analyzer.
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A moving ion has a mean free path which can be calculated with a formula which considers pressure or density, as well as velocity producing voltage. This free path is the distance an ion can move before it's likely to hit some other molecule. If this collision does occur, maximum efficiency lies with the lowest usable voltage. However, ion sparks don't seem to collide with anything on an extremely short distance. Instead, they travel along a hair line spark that's thin enough that the ions just wriggle through and past air molecules they encounter.
I've been looking at a regular spark plug and it seems to have a resonant chamber at the end, around the tapering ceramic insulator surrounding the central rod electrode. With my setup, I can hear a buzzing noise from the spark plug's arc, and there's also some random clicking sounds. Now and then, one of the clicks will be just right to hit the resonance of the end chamber. This causes ions to form. And these ions develop a normal coulomb force which limits the number of ions which can be present in the resonant chamber. As a result, a certain number of ions immediately shoot out, traveling along a hair line spark. This ion spark has a different color than a regular electrical spark, and that's what convinces me the spark contains ions. These ions travel out a good half inch, forming a mesh like pattern in the air. They're certainly not encountering a mean free path restriction. AND these sparks are longitudinal - they move straight out for a distance, then stop. Or then move in a perpendicular direction due to the negative magnetic rotation, when it appears during each of the cycles.
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very nice findings... what was the voltage potential you were using? are you driving the spark plug with a vic?
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very nice findings... what was the voltage potential you were using? are you driving the spark plug with a vic?
I'm using my new 7.5 kV NST. It cost me $142 including shipping. It's the old copper and steel model, but it does have an annoying electronic GFI circuit built in. I'm also using a defibrillator diode. Like the MOT diode, this one is over rated for the voltage. It's actually good for 30 kV at 10 Amps. With a fast response. And I have one other, proprietary component.
The thing I'm thinking about the hair line sparks is that they're not going to produce an ion cascade. The sparks never get any wider.
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Yes maybe spark should be avoided,,, depends on what you are trying to accomplish..
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When an electromagnetic wave travels along a wave guide a distance equal to half of its wave length and then is reflected back into itself, the result is that the electric component of the field cancels out while the magnetic component doubles. This leaves a magnetic gradient in the wave guide which has the ability to accelerate ions.
I've noticed that a high speed ion has a trail which is narrower than the size of the ion's glow. Meyer said in one of his patents that when the ions have been accelerated enough they punch right through the water and the water has very little effect on them. So there wouldn't be any cascade at the higher velocities. However, when the ions are just starting to be accelerated, they would seemingly be able to produce some cascade.
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I also seen ion acceleration in my electromagnetic influenced cell, 3 years ago.
It was nice to see, however, the amount of electrical power i pumped into the coils, didnt make me very happy...
But it works....