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Why? Stan says voltage potential perform work in a capacitor.
I will try to explain how i see it..
If you have charge anywhere in space you get electric fields. The electric fields over a distance form a potential difference.
All this patents that uses insulators need to get very high voltage to get the electric fields high enough to split the water molecule.
I think stan simply didn't used a closed circuit for the high voltage part of the circuit and now the function of the double chokes become visible. I mean if you have a very high voltage being applied to the inner electrode for example 100kv and you close the circuit by using a very high resistor just to allow some current to flow. but also now if you didn't understood the wiper arm becomes a manner to generate a low voltage higher current to just force the capacitor further. thats why the diode is there and don't need to get very high voltage requirements.
So what i wanted to mean is that meyer indeed applied 40kv but not across the cell, between the inner plates and the ground! So the gases that come out of it has electrons striped off all the way.
For example if you get a charged inner tube the outer tube will have a potential difference between them. but if you connect one to each other the charge jumps to the outer and the electric fields goes to zero because its a faraday cage.
So the chokes work in such a manner as to kind of generate a voltage to electrolysis to happen...
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Why? Stan says voltage potential perform work in a capacitor.
I will try to explain how i see it..
If you have charge anywhere in space you get electric fields. The electric fields over a distance form a potential difference.
All this patents that uses insulators need to get very high voltage to get the electric fields high enough to split the water molecule.
I think stan simply didn't used a closed circuit for the high voltage part of the circuit and now the function of the double chokes become visible. I mean if you have a very high voltage being applied to the inner electrode for example 100kv and you close the circuit by using a very high resistor just to allow some current to flow. but also now if you didn't understood the wiper arm becomes a manner to generate a low voltage higher current to just force the capacitor further. thats why the diode is there and don't need to get very high voltage requirements.
So what i wanted to mean is that meyer indeed applied 40kv but not across the cell, between the inner plates and the ground! So the gases that come out of it has electrons striped off all the way.
For example if you get a charged inner tube the outer tube will have a potential difference between them. but if you connect one to each other the charge jumps to the outer and the electric fields goes to zero because its a faraday cage.
So the chokes work in such a manner as to kind of generate a voltage to electrolysis to happen...
Well, i can go with this, Sebos.
So, the 2 electrodes receive a high potential of + and what will be the ground for you in this setup?
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In my opinion the ground is simply the stable state, an arbitrary reference or the most neutral point in the circuit.
For example for a isolated cavity if you apply positive to the inside the outside is going to be negative if you not ground it... but if you do not ground and selected the most negative point in the circuit to call it ground than you can see the voltages potential in each point of the circuit.
The idea is that the chokes might receive high voltage pulses to restrict the amps acting like a transformer...
the first inductor say the one right after the diode act as a primary and the other choke acts as a secondary so as the first inductor restrict the amps as the other send a negative pulse to one electrode. During the collapse of the field the voltage now clearly reverts doubling the frequency and revealing an important aspect of the wiper arm. In the sense that if the wiper coil has half the turns its going to have lower voltage so as its voltage now subtract from the voltage of the first inductor as they are in series as its voltage is smaller the pulse still doubles... If it were bigger for example the doubled pulse would not be across the cell but the bif chokes would bring the potential of both electrodes to the same direction.
So basically the circuit stan show is not correct at all. The chokes position at leas the lower choke is wrong! At least Misleading!
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this where meyer inspiration i guess patent 3772180 cited in his patent 5149407 Process and apparatus for the production of fuel gas and the enhanced release of thermal energy from such gas
the arrangement in series increase the ionization of the gas... and bang
Guess where the choke goes now?
So the correct manner to actually see the pulses doubling in the oscilloscope is to have two high voltage probes and subtract the signals in the oscilloscope. so the ac high voltage part disappear and you can measure the analog voltage across the cell.
you can consider as blocks, power supply>f.gen>switching>HV transformer>rectifiers > Chokes > cell
And what happens is that as theres very high charge at one plate at a time the water molecules gives up its electrons and the are available at the doubling pulse time for sub sequential discharge EEC. As the diode prevent the electrode from discharge and the choke doubles the frequency you get a double effect, as long as it happens fast enough to allow the reaction go without discharging. I guess the magic happens at the gate time because the molecules will be are already separated and they will want to collapse but at this point the choke double the pulse giving it a path to discharge while charging the other electrode Giving the impetus for the current to flow...
A curious thing about concentric tubes.
The outer tube if charged or uncharged seems to not have an electric field inside of it. Zero. So if you think about you want to put charge in the inner tube first! since its going to be much much important to forme the electric fields with the other plate when you apply the charge to the outer tube!
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I guess that the secret is the operation of the chokes in the sense that they have a very important impact in the technology. I think meyer added a variable resistor to tune the coupling between the coils or not limited to that! In the logic that we want to flex the molecule maybe I believer the resistor is in series with the wiper coil or the lower value coil and my best guess is that is there for directing the current thru the chokes. so he maybe uses only one diode.. the resistor will mess up with the collapsing of the field too. If allows faster collapsing fields.
Perhaps is good enough one diode since the wiper choke will mimic the voltage of the first choke, giving the the cell already a pulse of voltage during the initial pulse. You see? Although its charging each tube positively the other will be charged to a potential whatever and the important is that the electric field is there acting causing no harm consuming no power and forcing the current to flow in the circuit formed.
Is kind of genius ! very xxxxxxx amazing! I hope i'm right... I got that because i understood that meyer started over from tay he principle but he wanted to get around the high cost difficult processing of materials and he wanted it to be able to be done in the garage.
He wanted to use just couple of electronics and raw materials like copper wire, acrylic, ferrits, stales steel tubes, ferrite cores, delrin material, and plenty fresh water.
Think about why he used a very think acrylic tube?
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I feel something good coming up.
From who is this text:
The unidirectional potential may be infinitely variable up to about 40,000 volts. Excellent results have been obtained by using about 5,000 volts per inch of electrode spacing. A general range is 3,500 volts per inch of electrode spacing to 15,000 or more volts per inch of electrode spacing. In this type of operation the current or amperage is kept at a minimum and preferably does not exceed 85 milliamperes.
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i ll tell you.
Its not Stanley Meyer.....
read this pdf
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Other forms of unidirec
tional potential can be employed such as are derived,
for example, by superimposing an alternating current on
a direct current to produce a pulsating direct current
which is unidirectional.
from that same patent!
Tesla Rules.
Man i get a good feeling again. How much scotch you thing i took to get this idea? haha Wordcup Spirit.
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something like a unidirectional potential is also a charged sphere attracting a balloon... its called force from induction atoms behave like that.
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this is what I'm talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_dispersion_force same happens from a non-uniform field...
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more patents..
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Hi folks,
I tried the setup as shown in the patent.
High voltage, with three electrodes.
Bottum electrode on the outside of a glas cup.
Also tried inside the glas cup.
Voltage was between 15kv and 70kv...
Not one buble.....
I was hoping on a bit more...
I have not tried to do this with chokes....
Anybody any advise?
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did you used the chokes?
I was thinking about and i guess the chokes must be pulsed too... probably pretty much like the proposed vic by meyer...
I think i understood the function of the resistance at the secondary coil as if it where to cancel the electromagnetic field with the opposition to the field to let the chokes when revert polarity to apply the high voltage to the water thru the resistive secondary so the induced voltage in the secondary is nullified by the resistance and as the direction the chokes take to discharge is opposite the current is limited but the electric field should be there!
just a thought...
Did you used 50kv diodes?
did you tried with higher isolation? did you connected the secondary to circuit ground or just the plane?
I discovered about the potential the following:
Inside a hollow sphere the potential is constant it has the same potential as the sphere itself, however the electric field is zero!
From the potential and the isolated capacitance and dielectric proprieties of water is possible to determine 3 things... the Electric Field), the frequency and the current to get the Efields..
I tried an approximation for the cylindrical case but is particularly inappropriate because when ln(b/a) tends to infinity the capacitance drops to zero! not like the isolated sphere case where the capacitance tends to 4PiEoR
Anyways is still possible to estimate... and for my estimative the capacitance of a single cell goes from 100 to 500pf thats because the water has a 81k dielectric value.
what i mean is that if you charge a sphere in free space to 50kv you must add a given number of charges, if you simply drop this sphere in water you must add 81 times more charge for that same given potential to be achieved.
I was also putting everything together to star my tests but i realized i got no diodes ( i burned all in my reserves) i'm just missing that,,,
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For example
Parallel plates... If you Charge one plate to 50kv you get electric fields on both sides of the plate.
Outer tube... If you Charge one plate to 50kv you get electric fields only outside and maybe up and down but not inside...
Inner tube... just like outer tube...
or
if you apply opposite charge to it it will flip the electric field of the outer tube redirecting it to inside! forming a capacitance...
Now it becomes obvious that if you get insulation outside the outer tube the electric fields can be highly blocked leaving only the potential inside.
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you could also conclude that for example if you charge the outer tube with positive very positive potential and its not insulated and is under water the electrons outside of it will suffer an action by the electric field... while inside the water remain undisturbed.... well lot to think
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did you used the chokes?
I was thinking about and i guess the chokes must be pulsed too... probably pretty much like the proposed vic by meyer...
I think i understood the function of the resistance at the secondary coil as if it where to cancel the electromagnetic field with the opposition to the field to let the chokes when revert polarity to apply the high voltage to the water thru the resistive secondary so the induced voltage in the secondary is nullified by the resistance and as the direction the chokes take to discharge is opposite the current is limited but the electric field should be there!
just a thought...
Did you used 50kv diodes?
did you tried with higher isolation? did you connected the secondary to circuit ground or just the plane?
I discovered about the potential the following:
Inside a hollow sphere the potential is constant it has the same potential as the sphere itself, however the electric field is zero!
From the potential and the isolated capacitance and dielectric proprieties of water is possible to determine 3 things... the Electric Field), the frequency and the current to get the Efields..
I tried an approximation for the cylindrical case but is particularly inappropriate because when ln(b/a) tends to infinity the capacitance drops to zero! not like the isolated sphere case where the capacitance tends to 4PiEoR
Anyways is still possible to estimate... and for my estimative the capacitance of a single cell goes from 100 to 500pf thats because the water has a 81k dielectric value.
what i mean is that if you charge a sphere in free space to 50kv you must add a given number of charges, if you simply drop this sphere in water you must add 81 times more charge for that same given potential to be achieved.
I was also putting everything together to star my tests but i realized i got no diodes ( i burned all in my reserves) i'm just missing that,,,
No chokes were used and my diodes were like 15kv, Fabio.
So, were in the setup should i put a choke?
What will or must the choke do in such manner that gas will be produced?
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seriously what setup?
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Steve the chokes will allow for resonance to happen and the in my point of view it generates a voltage that is blocked in current but its there in potential...
I would connect the bifilar chokes to those two diodes one to each and than the other two terminations to the cell....
i suggest you to try both ways ... adding or subtracting.. .and see how it goes..
i'm thinking about all this manipulation of potential that we are allowed to do with cillynders.
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what are you trying to do?
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what are you trying to do?
We are trying to create HHO with high voltage :P :D ;)
The setup is similar to the one in the patent in this topic...
I use a car bobine or two car bobines if i need 70kv...
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what are you trying to do?
We are trying to create HHO with high voltage :P :D ;)
The setup is similar to the one in the patent in this topic...
I use a car bobine or two car bobines if i need 70kv...
Exactly!
According to theory this is whats going to happen!
Steve try adding two coupled coils of same size after the diodes. 100turns.. maybe... each..
tell me what happens,, ...
I think the biggest area in there the water is better for the charge to get in... i mean all the inn tubes together might be for that or the all outer tubes together configuration
I'm not doing tests because i have no diodes. =(
wish i had those 40kv 1amp i left in italy .. .
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I found simulating it on my mind that whatever inductance you add between the two diodes is going to make the frequency double... but is not actually sending a pulse relative to ground it sends current pulse that cuts thru the cell delayed after the pulse on and again delayed after the pulse terminates. Actually it doubles the frequency when the capacitor reach the applied voltage so its clear the coil reverts its voltage to keep charging it further to a voltage greater than the source. This current however cuts thru the cell only since the diodes and inductor form a closed circuit, the coil gets charged from the high voltage pulses negative and positive and thereto for each it doubles the pulse.
Probably stanley meyer figure of 1ma was between the secondary and ground... now i'm trying to understand if he added a capacitance in parallel with the secondary such that the resonance become parallel and therefor it should control the waveforms and the current would reduce at a certain frequency because of increased impedance.... is possible to achieve self resonance of the secondary inductor for example with meyer pll i've done that in 2007, you just need very high permeability cores. according to his impedance circuit probably the ca[pacitance is not across the secondary but across the chokes!
The right schematic for it is a modification of my resonant circuit that i presented in and ever since 2008
two pair of tubes
two diodes
capacitance become the isolated capacitance of the system... the higher is the number of inactive tubes inside the cell the greater will be the capacitance... or the outer tubes must be all together or all the inn tubes...
the coils goes between the diodes and the tubes
and high voltage is applied to one side of the coil... the coil should generate the current to get the reaction going.
I suggest that every time you draw the meyer circuit and analyze it. think about this three things :
- the potentials of each electrode and at each point in the circuit
-the electric field at each part of the circuit
-the hidden components, like : capacitance relative to infinity ...
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Of course there is more to it than i'm talking... i just love to talk to the wall... Is very sad to see so many guests...as guest they can't see the wonderful pictures we are posting bros....
Steve i think is very good idea to go for the big cell... but it must be isolated! the higher is the isolation the lower is the amps! i'm trying to add a capacitor to raise the capacitance a little bit!
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Isn't it acting just like the tesla toroid that goes over the top of the coil to add capacitance? but now think of it as being immersed in a water medium ... while still isolated from ground...
Meyer teaches that potential is doing the work since current flow is restricted to a ridiculous low value. thats because the electric field right after an electrode will decay squarely with distance but the very first gradient has the potential x electric field equivalency... the beauty of this is that you charge and electrode to a certain voltage and this voltage is the electric field right in the surface of the electrode.... is i understood it well...
of course in the case of cylinders or spheres you get inside of it zero electric field the field is aways outside, to get inside there must be opposite charge inside connecting the lines...
can anyone please prove that i'm wrong?
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inside a closed surface there's zero electric field due to gauss law and charge distribution... if there are 2 cylinders and you charge - the inside cylinder the outside cylinder has - the inside cylinder voltage on the outside of it's surface and + on the inside surface , H2O can have a redox reaction and then a capacitance is formed between the two cylinder lowering the energy of the system, this is how energy is conserved... I found ways with B field but the highest B field available is on the order of some teslas and this is simply not enough to break the homopolar bond of water..in comparison this force with 1.5T is an order higher than 100k volts field equivalent...no real application here.. there's no way to apply enough force from my point of view...maybe something to do with resonance, if you're talking about a redox reacton then you would have found a way to produce more energy anyway and you wouldn't need hydrogen.. its funny how nature is made -causality-
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lots of lurckers here....
well, i am going to run some more tests with big and small chokes...
I just need prove that hv can split water......
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hv alone can't split water... you are talking about big forces here.. the only way a bond "breaks" is either energy equivalent to that bond energy is given or the final bond will be in a lower energy level and the difference in energy is greater than the first bond energy..a redox reaction is not splitting water.. it just a typical electrochemical reaction and it can take place inside a cylinder. in order to have a redox reaction you must have enough electrons ( current ) with enough electrovolt potential ..in which case you have an electrolysis cell..
you need roughly 1.5x10^(-5) N to break water... thats about 10^14 Volts...
what if the coating he used for the cylinder adsorbed water ? then the force would be really higher..
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i got some bubbles and resonance here! step charging when gating ...
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I agree that you could apply a million volt to the cell and yet see nothing happen... that not because its not possible, thats because something is missing.
I got some bubbles here probably because of the resonance... but i think i need still higher voltage to get what i'm saying to happening...
A lightning clearly can not do what i'm proposing simply because its not able to raise the potential of a portion of sea that much the potential remais across the air... probably some molecules are ionized and rapidly stabilize since they are in direct contact with ground...
So i say to you if you had to apply a coil to restrict the current of your cell and allow the voltage to do the work .. would you put it on the positive or on the negative side?
And if you put it on the negative side the water the electrodes and the coil form what?
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Meyer Said two things...
1 potential is doing all the work
and two now on his graphics
the hydrogen production increases geometrically increasing the potential, the frequency (amp restriction) and the current leakage...
I think he even stated that it can become self sustaining oscilating system, generating the electricity from water to sustain resonance.
So there must be a minimum potential and a minimum current required to achieve on the so desired demand production, as simple as it can be. Of course Meyer studied with science, taking notes doing graphics and tables, doing measurements .... and he knew the threshold that needed to be overcome.
We knew very few from him, just some of the operational parameters... 40kv 1miliamp 40w, have to use 5 amps big deal, 100v 100a 10kw, 10khz, 5khz, isolated cavity...
Did any of you ever opened a microwave engineering book?
Steve i think the flyback or ignition coils could have too much resistance so very small current ability...
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Hey Geon, Mookie
what if it were not a redox reaction only! but a cascading event , avalanche like.. .?
or could we call it field assisted redox reaction?
I guss not...
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If the electric field is strong enough, the free electron gains sufficient energy to liberate a further electron when it next collides with another molecule. The two free electrons then travel towards the anode and gain sufficient energy from the electric field to cause impact ionisation when the next collisions occur; and so on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townsend_discharge
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You are talking about splitting the water molecule electrically.
In my view, current is everything. Voltage is just the carrier.
Water (or its molecule) cant be split with high voltage alone. (someone show me)
It cant be split with high voltage and high current either, (someone show me)
and it also cant be split with just low voltage. (someone show me)
..it needs two electrodes with voltage and current to do that. (I can show you that)
The only exception is using high frequency (electromagnetic) radio waves as shown by Kansius.
Hey Geon, Mookie
what if it were not a redox reaction only! but a cascading event , avalanche like.. .?
or could we call it field assisted redox reaction?
I guss not...
I totally agree that cascading electron avalanche will produce massive electrolysis
but at a minimum it has to start with 2 electrodes, voltage, and current.
You forgot the ballon charged by rubbing on yr hair and then getting close to waterstreams....
The water stream will bend....
Thats no current.
Thats high static voltage....
just my 2 cents....
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Mookie you are perfectly correct!
And steve you too!
The thing about the pulsing dc field must be related with the displacement current that occurs inside the capacitor and amplify the electric field from the source,
The rapid changing electric field generates a time varying magnetic field that induces another electric field...
I'm not sure what happens but according to theory is possible to understand what can't happen.
What if the amp restriction is all that is required and we simply never done it correctly?
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What is really worrying me is that if the fields must be applied first to the inner tube... and at meyer diagrams its not... at least it seems to me its not exactly what he is shown of course if you would argue with him he would said that his patents comprises all possible manners to do it..
Lets make the following simulation
the positive is applied to the inner electrode respective to ground, having a coil between the outer tube and ground.
I'm seeing that the electric field of the inner electrode attracts electrons and so they kind of force current into the system,,,
If instead a negative potential was applied to the inner electrode the electrons would be repelled so (restricting amps?)
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Oh boy
i believe i got it!
I realized that meyer actually used the water dielectric proprieties to restrict the amps using voltage only as potential energy (not consuming power) to do so.
a water capacitor store 81 times more charge than a vacum capacitor and guess what?
all the equations to understand amp restriction are inside the tech brief
meyer rocks
If you really want to know what i discovered first try for yourself i used only logic thinking and countless hours drawing drawing and drawing... this week 45pages...
than contact me via private message presenting yourself your personal info, curriculum and your intentions... please add a photo since i want to know who i'm talking with...
Im not willing to solve any doubts nor be any kind of oracle, nor i'm trying to puzzling anyone, i'm just trying to get everyone in my contact list,,,
i just want to know who's really interested in get this thing to work and running on the streets, so when i get it working i can invite you for partnerships!
I'm going to try to form a team... i need to start somehow..
And fuck you every single one who prevented somehow this technology from spreading out to the mankind!
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Oh boy
i believe i got it!
I realized that meyer actually used the water dielectric proprieties to restrict the amps using voltage only as potential energy (not consuming power) to do so.
a water capacitor store 81 times more charge than a vacum capacitor and guess what?
all the equations to understand amp restriction are inside the tech brief
meyer rocks
If you really want to know what i discovered first try for yourself i used only logic thinking and countless hours drawing drawing and drawing... this week 45pages...
than contact me via private message presenting yourself your personal info, curriculum and your intentions... please add a photo since i want to know who i'm talking with...
Im not willing to solve any doubts nor be any kind of oracle, nor i'm trying to puzzling anyone, i'm just trying to get everyone in my contact list,,,
i just want to know who's really interested in get this thing to work and running on the streets, so when i get it working i can invite you for partnerships!
I'm going to try to form a team... i need to start somehow..
And * you every single one who prevented somehow this technology from spreading out to the mankind!
Dear Fabio,
When you charge up a capacitor, you always get a current peak....
See picture...
http://myelectrical.com/notes/entryid/221/capacitor-theory
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Yes Steve i know... this current is limited by the inductor to a certain value...
But the amp restriction as i thought already in the past has to do with the dielectric proprieties.
I a patent meyer said that the relation between the applied voltage and electrode spacing is inversely proportional... the greater the distance the greater is going to be the potential difference...
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Yes Steve i know... this current is limited by the inductor to a certain value...
But the amp restriction as i thought already in the past has to do with the dielectric proprieties.
I a patent meyer said that the relation between the applied voltage and electrode spacing is inversely proportional... the greater the distance the greater is going to be the potential difference...
Of course you knew that.
So, greater distance need more volts.
Thats known as well.
The 80 ohms of resistance of water is part of the rlc, as Meyer stated.
But current flows in an RLC. Thats also a fact.
No resonance, without rushing current flows....
Anyway, still confusion. Have not seen the light yet, like you seems now to do...
Cheers!
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I was ordering some pieces to get the things working..
I think i have seeing the light, i'm not sure but i'm very inspired.
what i mean is the delta V derived from the electrostatic potential of the electrode...
Meyer actually state with that that a greater distance require a lower potential to restrict the current, because the gap is greater and so the potential diference relative to the other plate is greater. But it has its counter effect since the greater distance mean lower attraction force... although a minima is required and this is related to the relation between the secondary and the chokes...
And guess what?
The best geometry would be the spheric but the cylindrical should be good enough.. the plates also are good.
Bro why did he say the word simultaneously? when he mention that applied potential is applied simultaneously to both plates? because of the induced charges...
Where is infinity in water?
Cheerssss!!
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in meyer calculation he used the 666 number all the time... its scaring me up bro...
Meyer was really clear and all his patents are correct i can prove that logically... he was very very sincere the stuff is so simple and stupid but need so basic knowledge and little logical thinking that he was sure that no one was going to understand what he was taking about. So would not be able to replicate it.
I really don't understand how anyone ever achieved a resonant action and produced even for a moment a gigantic gas production... if people suppose so have had accessed meyer equipments and replicated it,,,,
Is really sad to see that what lead many people into this research was a rescue from their terrible reality only... not a real wish for a better place or any benefit to mankind other than their own wallets...
If i'm right this week is the week i'm going to make it!
God Blessed me!
Ha!
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in meyer calculation he used the 666 number all the time... its scaring me up bro...
Meyer was really clear and all his patents are correct i can prove that logically... he was very very sincere the stuff is so simple and stupid but need so basic knowledge and little logical thinking that he was sure that no one was going to understand what he was taking about. So would not be able to replicate it.
I really don't understand how anyone ever achieved a resonant action and produced even for a moment a gigantic gas production... if people suppose so have had accessed meyer equipments and replicated it,,,,
Is really sad to see that what lead many people into this research was a rescue from their terrible reality only... not a real wish for a better place or any benefit to mankind other than their own wallets...
If i'm right this week is the week i'm going to make it!
God Blessed me!
Ha!
Well, i am not so supersticious.....maybe that helps me a bit.
Still trying to understand your theory. Cannot put my dutch finger on it, yet ;)
cheers!
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http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/physics/charge/node3.html
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/82429/why-does-the-voltage-increase-when-capacitor-plates-are-separated
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I was ordering some pieces to get the things working..
I think i have seeing the light, i'm not sure but i'm very inspired.
what i mean is the delta V derived from the electrostatic potential of the electrode...
Meyer actually state with that that a greater distance require a lower potential to restrict the current, because the gap is greater and so the potential diference relative to the other plate is greater. But it has its counter effect since the greater distance mean lower attraction force... although a minima is required and this is related to the relation between the secondary and the chokes...
And guess what?
The best geometry would be the spheric but the cylindrical should be good enough.. the plates also are good.
Bro why did he say the word simultaneously? when he mention that applied potential is applied simultaneously to both plates? because of the induced charges...
Where is infinity in water?
Cheerssss!!
the greater the distance of course, automatically increase pot difference, meaning also less capacitance.
The potential difference towards the other electrode? Or towards earth?
Meyer never wanted earth. He wanted a floating earth. So pot diff towards other electrode.
That requires a high resistance secondairy on yr transformer otherwise you leak charge over the coils to the other electrode.....
Then you never get a high potential over the two electrodes.....
hmmmm interesting...... mindfarting.....
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That question is very important steve
why the potential diference increase only up to a point? (because the potential is associated with predetermined number of charges, and this point is the point which the required voltage to add that amount of charges to the circuit considering the other plate at infinity ! ) like a van de graf
The dielectric proprieties of vacuum!
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Oh boy
i believe i got it!
I realized that meyer actually used the water dielectric proprieties to restrict the amps using voltage only as potential energy (not consuming power) to do so.
a water capacitor store 81 times more charge than a vacum capacitor and guess what?
all the equations to understand amp restriction are inside the tech brief
meyer rocks
If you really want to know what i discovered first try for yourself i used only logic thinking and countless hours drawing drawing and drawing... this week 45pages...
than contact me via private message presenting yourself your personal info, curriculum and your intentions... please add a photo since i want to know who i'm talking with...
Im not willing to solve any doubts nor be any kind of oracle, nor i'm trying to puzzling anyone, i'm just trying to get everyone in my contact list,,,
i just want to know who's really interested in get this thing to work and running on the streets, so when i get it working i can invite you for partnerships!
I'm going to try to form a team... i need to start somehow..
And * you every single one who prevented somehow this technology from spreading out to the mankind!
what is it?
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no one has made a replication of meyer electric motor generator yet
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I wish i have had the time but until now i didn't even tried :( i have no news of anyone who has tried it..
Geon i hope i have found i reason for the fuell cell to work.. What i mean i that probably i understood why stan said he was using the potential as source of work or energy... of course i can only affirm that when its operative..
I was wondering who wants join my team as soon as the thing start going... but for that i want the people to manifest them selves now, not after its ready working. After that nobody is going to enter the team unless deserves for real. I want to know who i could count with... if the thing got out of paper...
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I've told you what I think about displacement current and capacitors and charge distribution... from rough calculations you can get 1/8 thermal energy back depending on setup..\
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At university i arrived only to static fields yet...
I don't have the knowledge of current displacement could you please teach us exactly what this mean?
And how to all the steps you took to arrive at this result and its meaning?
Thanks Geon
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see pm
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why so many guests???? :-\
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why so many guests???? :-\
because they like to lurk.....
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where's fabio now playing soccer? ;D
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(http://www.lolcats.com/images/u/08/48/lolcatsdotcommmbe2es18mzptagf.jpg)
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I did many tests with no results... ???
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you did tests with what I told you or what you said you discovered? :o I'm going to try some test myself but I need a way to break the circuit during pulse on maybe you know how to do that?
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Yes but not enough to prove i'm wrong...
what do you mean? by breakage the circuit?
Now i'm using high voltage high amps switches... and diodes 1200v more than 10 amps
High voltage high frequency is very strange i thought at the moment i should be dead because of the many arcs that jumped to my hand from anywhere in the circuit...
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our body acts like a faraday cage in high frequency , I mean to break open a connection during pulse on from a pulse generator circuit I have ... the opposite of a mosfet ..
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don't try to go tesla like with the arcs ok? come on no one knows how to break open a circuit like this?
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don't try to go tesla like with the arcs ok? come on no one knows how to break open a circuit like this?
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explain: dont play with arcs, how do you break open a circuit with a pulse from a pulse generator?
check pm fabio
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Didn't received your pm...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_breaker
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it was a long pm ... when I have time I'll write it again..
see pic
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it was a long pm ... when I have time I'll write it again..
see pic
try a relais, if yr frequency is not too high
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I seem to have gotten lost in this conversation? what is this discussion about?