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Projects by members => Projects by members => J. Miller => Topic started by: jim miller on December 06, 2013, 01:06:38 am
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Attached is an interesting photo of Stan Meyer documents being copied.
One of the visible pages shows a Meyer device and if my photo guru's enhancement
software is correct, the notes and numbers match Stan's handwriting from the
IITER documents
The first photo shows an image from memo 423 DA with notations and measurements
Image copyright 1989, 1992 James Paul Good News Productions
(posted with permission of meyerarchive)
The second image is an enhanced photo with contrast and other filters applied
you must be a member of ionizationx to view the image
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Its the injector skematic,we have that.Who is James Paul?looks like he has lots of hidden info...
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If you have a copy of memo 423DA schematic with notes and numbers, please post a url or link
here at ionizationx.
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James Paul is a very cool guy....He knows his stuff ;)
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Jim i bet you have this,you also posted it
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James Paul is a very cool guy....He knows his stuff ;)
Quite a compliment Amigo.....we must talk soon.....message me your number and good time to call..
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Attached is an interesting photo of Stan Meyer documents being copied.
One of the visible pages shows a Meyer device and if my photo guru's enhancement
software is correct, the notes and numbers match Stan's handwriting from the
IITER documents
The first photo shows an image from memo 423 DA with notations and measurements
Image copyright 1989, 1992 James Paul Good News Productions
(posted with permission of meyerarchive)
The second image is an enhanced photo with contrast and other filters applied
you must be a member of ionizationx to view the image
Nice stuff, Jim. :)
Nice to see Stanley's handwriting on it.
Very impressive!
Steve
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I see that the pdf i posted has already the corect dimensions writen by stan with pen.
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What injector pdf did you post with handwriting by Stan and when? Are you saying that your have a copy of memo 423DA with
Stan's notations and handwriting? As far as I know the document has been sitting in a box for about 20 years and the owner has not posted it anywhere.
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No,I said the skematic that we all have is already corected with the values writen by stan in your posted pics.
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My apologies, I did not scroll down enough pages to see the figures. At least the handwritten notes on the page
serve as a check on the printed one :-[ (The image is apparently from an earlier working draft)
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What injector pdf did you post with handwriting by Stan and when? Are you saying that your have a copy of memo 423DA with
Stan's notations and handwriting? As far as I know the document has been sitting in a box for about 20 years and the owner has not posted it anywhere.
What exists is a ream or so of fax correspondence between Stan and his part fabricator...
The notes all hand written in pencil much of it...are Stan's adjustments and changes.....
In which memos they are contained will be determined before/as released....
Personal information redacting is required or they stay out of sight......My changes make my Copyrights as good as Stan's.....
More to come....
jp
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What injector pdf did you post with handwriting by Stan and when? Are you saying that your have a copy of memo 423DA with
Stan's notations and handwriting? As far as I know the document has been sitting in a box for about 20 years and the owner has not posted it anywhere.
What exists is a ream or so of fax correspondence between Stan and his part fabricator...
The notes all hand written in pencil much of it...are Stan's adjustments and changes.....
In which memos they are contained will be determined before/as released....
Personal information redacting is required or they stay out of sight......My changes make my Copyrights as good as Stan's.....
More to come....
jp
Thanks JP.
Looking forward to that info!
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I don't understand the point of holding back the documents ........
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I don't understand the point of holding back the documents ........
Time to process, redacting, making CDs, copy protecting, setting up pre-sales commitments, building website from which to sell, creating 'Application and sales system on website for this and much other Meyer Data , historical info, and maybe "How to" tech page, and other promotional items to be sold to support the Meyer WFC Archive..., T-shirts, Hats, pens, key chains, watches, mugs, Calendars...etc....
Not promising any secrets and my techs must thoroughly review for hints.
The documents basically show Meyer's sequence of dimension and design changes to injector system/electronic parts.
Supposedly the "clean" docs out there are the near "finished" Memo/Published design.....
You'd have to ask Dyno Don if he disassembled and measured the injector parts for specs compared to Memo.
Those parts and finished docs were all with Estate assets.
Soon, soon,....JP
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So basically you are hoping to cash in on them ?
Really ?
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You can't just give the info away or you learn nothing. Just like the old saying goes, "You give a man a fish he eats for a day, you teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime." Same applies here.
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I think that we have to remember that Stan was a businessman as well as a professing Christian. In various videos he mentions the successful truck parts business that he and his brother had. One that grossed over 20M USD/yr. However the massive capital needed to expand the HHO concept and evangelize the world meant that significant funds were needed. By selling dealerships, Stan attracted a number of investors in the HHO concept but this strategy ultimately would lead to lawsuits and being found guilty of fraud by a court of law.
The owners of these documents can do anything they want with them. Post them, sell them or ,as in several cases of "hoards" that I had tracked down, discard them as trash. If you are a believer in Stan's technologies, you know that it takes a commitment of time and money to buy materials, acquire knowledge from discussions on sites, reading patents and buying or viewing publically available videos.
If the owner of these injector documents wants to do justice to the material, they need to be preserved, scanned, evaluated, organized
and, where appropriate, redactions made to protect original sources. I do not know what resources this fellow has but having
money for copying, purchasing digital cameras or scanners and taking steps to protect his investment
through copyrights and other legal entities (LLC?) would all take time and money.
One problem that comes with accepting funds is that they often come with strings attached. Once the bankers and lawyers get involved
it gets very complex. One could ask the administrators of the various HHO sites about the "vast "sums that are contributed to the operation of their sites. Self funding seems to be the norm. The kickstart model might be something to think about.
Of course one would like to see everything posted on the net, given to the world for free for the good of Mankind, but I have come to believe that a truism applies-- The work is much , but the workers are few --- It takes dedication in terms of time treasure and talent. There are some members of this forum who just observe, there are some who contribute their knowledge, some are backyard tinkerers and some are businesses that mine the posts to gain a competitive edge in the technology. That is alright. We are all students of Stan. If we learn well, the ultimate goal of free or low cost power may be achieved and we may be able to save Spaceship Earth and leave a clean environment to future generations.
I believe that Stan has laid out the basics of the technologies, and that through persistance, that HHO technolgies will eventually be understood. However, in scientific research there are many false starts and wasted resources in starting experiments based
on faulty procedures and incorrect hypotheses. So diligence in experimental design, recording of measurments and care with documentation is all part of the process if Stan's work is to rise above what the science establishment considers psuedoscience.
So, regarding the eventual release of these documents that this fellow has, cut him some slack. Perhaps if his venture proves
successful, it will free up some other holdings of materials for release. publication, or sharing. imho
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Well they are his to do with what he wishes......But you don't think Mankind may need this a little bit more than he needs a dollar.
Look where Hoarding got Stan Meyer, Put it in the public's hands and no one can stop it.
My opinion.
Neal Ward
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Sory to hear that J.P.,but who were liars and cheeters?
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So basically you are hoping to cash in on them ?
Really ?
Shit...lost a whole ppost..
Here's what I saved...more later..
I been researching the use of hydrogen as fuel since 1981.
I heard of and met Stan by phone in 1985.
I am in a wheelchair w/spinal injury since 1979.
I live on SSDI about 1500/mo.
I spent thousands visiting Stan 3 , promoting Stan's work when long distance calling cast me about 200/mo...cell phones were a buck a minute.
I gave Stan a $5,000 licensee deposit.
I lost $5,000 on the Indy Car Fuel Cell loan escrow because of liars and cheats.
Besides this and what I LOST IN MY WRITING.....what have YOU "Given away to mankind?"
Vaya con Dios,
jp
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So basically you are hoping to cash in on them ?
Really ?
Shit...lost a whole ppost...sonofabitch.....
Here's what I saved...more later..
I been researching the use of hydrogen as fuel since 1981.
I heard of and met Stan by phone in 1985.
I am in a wheelchair w/spinal injury since 1979.
I live on SSDI about 1500/mo.
I spent thousands visiting Stan 3 , promoting Stan's work when long distance calling cast me about 200/mo...cell phones were a buck a minute.
I gave Stan a $5,000 licensee deposit.
I lost $5,000 on the Indy Car Fuel Cell loan escrow because of liars and cheats.
Besides this and what I LOST IN MY WRITING.....what have YOU "Given away to mankind?"
Vaya con Dios,
jp
I am a poor person trying to help the poor.
Obviously you have no idea who i am or what i have done....
You wish to be greedy ...your perogotive ...
Neal Ward
Here is a video of one of the things i am trying to do for Mankind...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV3LVixS3zY
Don't ever question what i am doing for mankind, I have sacrificed all extra money i have, I live a very poor life !
My family is forced to live a poor life while I try and help other poor people
For when I am finished, the tech will be free for everyone !!
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Some of these comments might be more appropriate in the fightboard thread
Let us try to focus on the technology , not personalities.
Or send private messages, after all this site is rated G :) :
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one reason I like this forum is that the owner of the thread can delete silly posts and keep the thread on topic :)
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Well i have been on this forum for quite some time.. Its pretty bold just jumping into a convo and calling someone a fraud with little to no backing as to why you have concluded this.. I don't see anything fraudulent in Neal's video.. He is idling a motor on hho from water using a injector setup to time and inject hho into the intake... This is a much better approach for getting a motor to take in the fuel without flashback as well as for metering.. I could set up a high power hho system and most likely get a motor to run full power... This is not the goal though since I would be relying on a external power source to try and run a system that i would prefer to be its own power plant for productions allowing a closed loop system.. I have o reason to believe Neal is doing that in the video.. I think he is relying on a external power source... There is nothing wrong with that when your simply trying to observe just how much HHO is needed to run a motor.. From there you must figure out how to get the motor to be the power plant that can produce it with little energy.. Neal has made no claims of a closed loop system.. He just claims hes running on 100% water.. That is not a lie.. Great job Neal
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one reason I like this forum is that the owner of the thread can delete silly posts and keep the thread on topic :)
Thanks Kevin. This topic is in Jim's project section. That way he can decide what to do, just like all other projectsection owners in their own sections. 8)
Cheers!
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I am a fraud ??
Would you care to elaborate please ?
Calling a business a fraud just may end you up in court !
But please do elaborate why I am a fraud !! If this is the way the people on this forum behave
then i personally want no part of it, I bring you a video of something real and i am insulted
like this ? Geez I wonder why no one shares info.
My name is Neal Ward and i am hiding from no one.
Hi Neal,
The people on this forum is from my point of view, not the proper way of addressing all members who are just reading and learning/lurking.
Would you like to show us here how you did ran your engine?
It reminds me to my project of running the yamaha motorbike on HHO only.
See my projectsection, which i shared.
Steve
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The words of the poet Khalil Gibran might be instructive ,roughly translated from Arabic:
"The spoken word once uttered ,nor all tears piety can wash away."
It is even more so in this age of arkiving by the Never Say Anything crowd ;)
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Well i have been on this forum for quite some time.. Its pretty bold just jumping into a convo and calling someone a fraud with little to no backing as to why you have concluded this.. I don't see anything fraudulent in Neal's video.. He is idling a motor on hho from water using a injector setup to time and inject hho into the intake... This is a much better approach for getting a motor to take in the fuel without flashback as well as for metering.. I could set up a high power hho system and most likely get a motor to run full power... This is not the goal though since I would be relying on a external power source to try and run a system that i would prefer to be its own power plant for productions allowing a closed loop system.. I have o reason to believe Neal is doing that in the video.. I think he is relying on a external power source... There is nothing wrong with that when your simply trying to observe just how much HHO is needed to run a motor.. From there you must figure out how to get the motor to be the power plant that can produce it with little energy.. Neal has made no claims of a closed loop system.. He just claims hes running on 100% water.. That is not a lie.. Great job Neal
Thank you ! And you are right , this was to prove the ngine will run properly, next step is to figure out how to increase the rpm, then self power....
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George,
I can see in the video everything worth knowing.. Hes running a big plate cell into a bubbler then though a clear hose into a injector manifold that has 4 injectors... He has a circuit next to the injector for controlling the switching of them.. This is all stuff that can clearly be seen in the video! He also shows that he has removed the fuel pump relay! and also others! Obviously you are not experienced and or observant enough to extrapolate the info you desire! Not his fault! I bet he would of been happy to answer any questions if you didnt label him a fraud then expect him to give a further response without you asking him kindly.. I just dont understand some people today :-\
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George,
I can see in the video everything worth knowing.. Hes running a big plate cell into a bubbler then though a clear hose into a injector manifold that has 4 injectors... He has a circuit next to the injector for controlling the switching of them.. This is all stuff that can clearly be seen in the video! He also shows that he has removed the fuel pump relay! and also others! Obviously you are not experienced and or observant enough to extrapolate the info you desire! Not his fault! I bet he would of been happy to answer any questions if you didnt label him a fraud then expect him to give a further response without you asking him kindly.. I just dont understand some people today :-\
If he is not using a "non-combustible gas" recycling tube to match the burn rate of regular fuel for his given engine, it will never run for long or under any stable control....
See Meyer's manuals....must have to match fuel burn rates and temps.
Cheers,
jp
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Well they are his to do with what he wishes......But you don't think Mankind may need this a little bit more than he needs a dollar.
Look where Hoarding got Stan Meyer, Put it in the public's hands and no one can stop it.
My opinion.
Neal Ward
You don't know a thing about Meyer, Me, or the patent process.
Patenting processes and systems can be easily blocked in it's infancy.
Meyer got his ideas from others as it seems so have you.
Why do you think Meyer's technology will be so good for mankind.....it hasn't done too well with everything else with which we've been blessed.
Peace,
jp
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At some point, Stan says the ambient air trapped in the water are released allowing the water to burn much slower... I think the exhaust gasses are needed for the higher energy state gasses Stan's systems was said to make. Also if Neal's system is just plain electrolysis then there will be steam in the mix which also lowers the burn rate/ potency of the fuel.
This is just Neal trying to run a engine only on water fuel. Which he did...
I understand the concept of co equaling the burn rate of gas by intermixing exhaust.. I'm sure Neal knows a lil about it as well .
I understand Stan's system more then some of you new people on this forum might think..
Read the manuals, read the patents, made some circuits.
Been pondering on this for some time now..
I will say though all my past post on this forum were during a time i was stuck in a pseudo science point of view not exploring into the real mathematical/ engineering view point of approach..
About the time i split from daily interaction on here I began to move forward much more in the learning process.. which was a year or so ago..
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Dear members,
I really appreciate all your input here on the forum, except dirty messages, as many of you know. Thats the only reason for removing posts, as you notice.
Steve
Ps.
Do people ever read what i write here?
No more off topic posts. Keep focus on technology, please.