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Projects by members => Projects by members => Sebosfato => Topic started by: sebosfato on October 15, 2013, 06:45:02 am
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I was thinking and maybe i understood the meaning of the traveling circles of smoke tesla taught about..
Electric waves travels longitudinally but they can also be reflected and suffer interference.
My question is?
If you can use two lasers de-phased and make all energy disappear.
Than why can't this interference question mark lead to a new way of using the technology we already have.
If you get a transmitter and a receiver that are at a certain distance of each other and the frequency match the wavelength the receiver reaction would be re-transmited to the transmitter not as a load but as a re-inforcing signal.
So if a closed system was possible where not all but most of the energy is reflected than i guess a perpetual ever increasing oscillation would be possible.
Maybe thats what he tried to do with the moon haha
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Other concept Barbat discloses in his patents is:
The electromagnetic waves travels at the speed of light. When they intercept a low mass electron its going to accelerate it at greater strength than it would do to a normal mass or free electron. According to Lamour radiation theory the inductive photons will have a greater intensity proportional to the square of the proportion between the low mass electron and the normal one.
So if you had a material containing electrons having 0,1 of the normal electron mass and send thru it electromagnetic waves you would get 100x greater inductive energy being re-irradiated from it.
This is according to him due to the fact that this electrons can move pretty much faster than an electron in a metal would. A metal has lots of free electrons so they move really slow.
now
It seems to me that Donald L smith said something very similar. If i remember well he stated that the energy increases with the square of the frequency because he is fliping electrons...
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sebosfato where does the extra energy come from? energy is E=h/p=h/m*v
anyway no b-s I've found a way for xtra energy using capacitor plates if you don't disturb the charge of plates then you can have as much free acceleration as you want... it's so simple I dont know why no one has found .. I only used maxwell's equation and voila more energy out but I don't know how energy of the system will be conserved maybe something will happen like quantum phenomena never conceived before :P
and about the surface charge redistribution on the plates when electrons pass by, this will only heat up the capacitor plates since the first charges can't leave the capacitor plates voltage doesnt drop.
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I see it like an amplification device,
Its a kind of LC having on the L side an air core transformer... so the LC circuit has a load which is the low mass electrons material since this is a short circuit it will load the primary.
When you get a short circuit in a transformer, the current flowing in the secondary has reverse direction to that current flowing in the primary so it creates a counter magnetic field, this is responsible to lower the inductance of the primary if the secondary is shorted,
But the point is: If the secondary has a lose coupling to the primary and this are air core one coil inside the other with a certain empty space between them (a gap), and then inside this secondary there is another coil but this very well coupled to the secondary than if the secondary has a counter magnetic field any induction in this output coil will have a non opposing magnetic field to the primary...
I guess the amplifier coil serves like a faraday cage since its shorted such that it has greater coupling to the primary than the output coil siting inside of the amplifier coil (secondary).
Actually i don't know why this should not work without this low mass electrons...
But the idea is the following
the ampere was determined using the electric current of 1 ampere and coils to create a force and ... this way they stabilished the magnetic field
But this was done using copper, the problem is copper has normal mass electrons and as such behave like other metals so the electron when have normal mass irradiate a certain amount of magnetic field...
If you think about what he says, the magnetic field increases when the coil has smaller turn diameter, why?
because this imply greater centripetal (acceleration)...thus more radiation of inductive photons...
But when this mass is not respected the electrons are allowed to have greater (acceleration) and according to lamour it will increase the magnetic field irradiated from it with the square of the diference in mass
so if the amplifier coil is acting as a shield as a load and as a primary
The primary acts as primary and L of LC network
The output coil serves as output and feedback coil to maintain it self sustaining oscillation.
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geon could you please show that calculations explaining each step?
Thanks
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I think that in the end i came up with understanding the principle behind EPG technology from all this...
Think of the copper tubes as a coil not just a tube and inside of it there is the ionizable gas...
You than connect a capacitor between its ends and it forms a resonant tank.
You wind many coils (transversally to this magnetic field) around the tubes.. why?
the resonant tank will create electric fields that will accelerate the ions, the ions accelerating irradiate what? magnetic field which is readily captured by the transverse coils!!!!!!!!!! the output voltage is determined by the driving force, number of turns and resonance parameters...
just like or somewhat similar to nuclear magnetic resonance!!! NMR
The point should be something like, since ions can be positive and negative or only positive or only negative and move fast and the electrons are negative and moving on the copper tubes creating no net magnetic field inside the tube there should be a gain in energy from the movement this ions gain from the electric field.... I'm assuming that since the fields are not static and because of impedance and the fluid can be conductive or dielectric theres going to be electric field inside the tube.
What if the ionizeable media is a high dielectric?
What if the tube has a internal insulation?
I can be plain wrong too from some drawings i was doing...
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sebosfato sorry I dont get it how this will work , explain it better.. as far as the the capacitor I was talking about I can tell you that if you place a magnetic field the same direction as the electric field an electron you shoot from an electron gun won't hit the positive plate hence no work being made from the capacitor in short terms as long as the capacitor plate doesnt loose it's charge it can provide free energy .. the trick is to use the magnetic field to change the exit angle of the electron... tell me if you understand what I mean.. I've only made some rough calculations on paper and it works.. in reality I need a computer model but I don't know how to make one and I dont have the equipment
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I found that a copper tube if ac is applied to it, function as a wave guide and there might be electric and magnetic standing waves but also a traveling wave... This may create the shaking of ions correct to transversely induce into the out coils of the epg...
I understand what you mean you mean a oscilloscope like but the electron is strongly deviated to not arrive into the screen and discharge... Well if its directed else where it could be discharged to ground right? I thought of that but never did any experiments. There is an old man here in brazil that worked on that principle and he use to call it gepec generator of energy by capacitive effect
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ok do you have any equation that explains this wave guide tube? I dont know about discharging it on ground but it wouldn't give more energy out that way.. one way I think is possible is to use an electron multiplier ,that way you can get some of the thousands of eV gained back.. and the only power consumption is from the 100V electron gun.. so there's deffinately some extra energy going out.. can you get any info on that old man has he succeeded with this gepec generator I can't find anything over the internet.
I might build this I only need some pumps, some measuring equipment e.t.c.
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well this was a bit over optimistic in the first place , if you use a thermionic electron gun the energy cost per electron is more than the energy gained from the capacitor .. even if you use cold-cathode field emitter still the same problem.. there's just to much power dissipation to the environment from today's electronics , there may be low power consumption electron guns out there but these should be custom made by labs if there are any.
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I guess if you get perfect very high vacuum so no ionizable media inside, than if you could release electrons on one side i can't see why you can't get the electrons somewhere else out of the circuit other than the high voltage positive plate that accelerated the electrons.
If the electrons are released at T=0 than at T= 1 high voltage is applied, the electrons takes a time T=x to arrive at the other electrode.
If the electrons are allowed to hit the positive electrode, they will give up their charge and result as a load to the high voltage source.
If the high voltage source is disconnected or interrupted the electrons will hit the plate and make it become negative relative to earth and as such this electrons can be discharged back to ground where they came from initially from the filament circuit which were grounded.
If more electrons make thru the gap and they are such more as to reverse the charge of the capacitor than its not over unity. but if there is a gain in voltage than the system must have absorbed vacuum energy from the electric fields!
For example for a stream of water we can deviate it with an electric field, and change the place it will hit the ground. it didn't really done any work since the definition of the work is that if he is attracted but than lose the attraction at another point it makes counter work too.
Think of a capacitor, it has vaccum dielectric and one of the plates is irradiated with light and ger electrons released its also a glowing hot plate grounded so the electrons come out this way,, , when the amps are restricted to flow to the positive plate the gain in energy might becomes available at the amp restricting device to be discharged.. Maybe??? hehe
I think is not impossible to have such great amounts of electrons available.
Think of nuclear waste? It could generate more power than all the grids are providing together today for many decades, if what we are talking about really makes sense.
Paul Brown dedicated his life to this and got killed as it seems he used resonance and electric fields to add energy to ions inside those nuclear batteries.
I don't know wave equations ... yet. but it seems to me that the epg still a mistery to me.
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when the amps are restricted to flow to the positive plate the gain in energy might becomes available at the amp restricting device to be discharged
what do you mean exactly?
Another problem with the capacitor is that because the charges are free to move in the metal lattice of the capacitor the + plate will have it's charges repelled from the electron beam and because there's a magnetic field the electrons will go at the bottom at the plate like the hall effect reducing the total force exerted on the e-beam aka capacitor field will become non-uniform, there will be the same kind of repulsion in the - plates but because the electrons are travelling towards the positive plate and force on the charges of the plates is dependent on distance there will be more net force on the + plate, ofcourse when charges move inside the plate there is resistance and heat dissipation I^2*R, if we use metal with low work functions for the capacitors electrons might escape the + plate because of the heat generated when the e-beam is pulsed.. this is a problem for me but it can be used to generate energy there's no energy cost for this charge movement except that it tries to reduce the force on the e-beam... ofcourse there must be an electric field that attracts the electrons more that the capacitors + plate , that can be a grounded plate on the bottom side of the capacitor. so there are 3 plates in total. heat dissipation is really low in high vacuum so there's no heat wasted to the environment
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I mean to use a dielectric... to impede the dielectric discharge of the flying electrons, they are going to charge this capacitance formed...
We are maybe forgiving about screening of charge i guess.
If we insert 1 micro coulomb of charge hypothetically and this makes 40kv potential, when the fillament release electrons this potential will lower since traveling electrons are screening the charge so for every charge you need a positive charge to accelerate it. ... the gain can be not only from the electric field but is also a conversion of the heat or light or radioactive decay into electric energy. A theoretical 100% efficiency conversion process.. Thermoionic for say.
I guess if we could use the energy they loss on the impact with the positive plate it could become more interesting...
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regarding the EPG what if.. he just used a spark plug inside with very high voltage so to overcome the potential barrier of 70% lightspeed for electrons(which is less for ions.. )something like peter graneau's water explosions, graneau said there was a lot of extra kinetic energy in his experiments maybe meyer found a way to get all this energy back with these coils, if you search back at my posts I explain it better..
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Well something says to me that he used those coils like wave guides to shake the material inside with alternating high voltage. But as he used it claiming and amplifier arrangement it seems to me that he than also needs to apply an initial magnetic field, or to polarize the material and make such way that its movements allow the magnetic force to be applied transversally. ?
Fact one, if he place a material having ions those would move accordingly with the electric field applied Physical displacement.
Now If you have all ions with their magnetic fields aligned just because of a initial magnetic field applied than makes some sense to have the electricity amplifier arrangement.
Stan called it an electrical particle generator, but he uses particle acceleration for this purpose.
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why do you say that he used a magnetic field?
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He say this in the description of the patent he apply a dc current and the dc current output is increased.
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today i bought some iron oxide and mixed with water and dispersant, the result is a fluid that is not like ferro fluid i saw in videos but seems magnetic for experiments.
my question is what if there is a way to flip the magnetic field of the molecules with an electric field and magnetic field combined...
So basically my intention is to use the tube just like if it were a tesla coil primary but the secondary is the coils wound on the tubes and they should capture some magnetic field from the material inside the tubes...
i know it seems crazy... but i believe that the combination of magnetic fields de-phased will create a kind of rotating magnetic field which could indeed induce voltage on the secondary coils..
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larmor_formula
I guess this is the formula described by barbat, don smith and others...
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