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Projects by members => Projects by members => Hydrocars => Topic started by: Hydrocars on March 09, 2013, 07:13:27 am
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I would like to drop in for a bit. I'm sure you all now I've had many failed attempts, And a few of you here that knows me, knows I'll never stop work on the water as a fuel.
I would like to take a minute to Brief you before I step back out. You have heard Stan Talk about water is a fuel etc,,, right? I mean, you got to be outta your mind to think water is a fuel, Wrong! So how do we swing this new angle that has been seen, I mean even in the end you learn that the air you breath is also a flammable gas waiting to be lite, then why not does the atmosphere burn up? Well, lets just say that --- well
1. Smoke Point, anyone know what that is? It is the point at which it smokes, usually Blue in color when dealing with oils.
2. Flash point, Anyone know what that is? It is the point where a None Flammable Liquid like oil Flashes into a (Combustible gas.)
3. Fire Point, Well, you get the ideal, right?
Lets take a look at the Gasoline engine, it has a Flash point of -45F which means it can burn with a applied spark!!!!! Now that is one flammable liquid right!!
Lets have another look at Diesel, Now you try and light this liquid up with a lighter and you get nowhere! I mean its just not flammable. You add 124 degree heat source to this liquide and you get a flash point that creates a flammable gas, (it ignites itself) but a lighther souce is usuabl.
Now you should know that Kerosine has a Lower Flash point than Diesel. So it takes less heat flash Kerosine into a flammable liquid!
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Running a Diesel Engien on Burnt motor oil, how is this done? Why can you run an Diesel on such oil, but you can not start the engine on it? ???
Well, you have to start the engine on Diesel fuel so you can use the heat off of the engine to heat the burnt motor oil to its (Flash Point) wich will then allow combustion! It doesn't take a big deal of heat due to how the engine is designed to heat it up. Remember you dont need a Igniter source to ignite these gases when you hit the fire point! So you can say its a bit tricky to run a diesel on burnt oil, you gotta know what you're doing or you want get anywhere. And you'll be in the dark scratching our head on why your neighbor can do it and you cant. Well he may know about the flash point, and he may not be telling you! Ever hear an oil filled heater Pop and , hint, (Crackle,) ;) The Crackle and pops can be mistaking for electrical arcks couldn't it?
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So, you should have learned here that ----- (THE HIGHER THE FLASH POINT ------ THE LESS VOLITILE THE LIQUIDE.)
For example. Gasoline has a very low flash point where diesel has a very high one. You can see that one is more dangerous than the other right? And, Motor oil is even less dangerous than diesel! (YOU CAN TELL THIS BY LOOKING AT THE FLASH POINT) on the flash point chart.
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Water is a Fuel!
I'm sorry to tell you that you've all be lied to lol, but here I'll lay the truth down for just you, and only you. Take it and use it and benefit from it please!.
Let me say that again, because that feels good.
WATER IS A FUEL!, stan found out this in that solar silo when he heated oils and the igited with now ignition source. He learned what a fire point was hehe.
SO, If water is a fuel, then what is its flash point? AAAAHhhhhh, this is where it gets tricky! Water has a VERY HIGH SMOKE point. The Flash point of water hasn't been released into the public, but its a well known and closely guarded top secret used at Area 51 today! The smoke point of water is known as steam or hot steam etc,,, there are different types of smoke points of water but most is common. The Flash point, and I said (FLASH POINT) of water - now listen to this, (ONLY EXIST) when a small amount of HHO is added to the Smoke point to trigger the Flash point. Water then becomes a fuel!!!!
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So, a Diesel can run on Burnt oil if you heat the oil to a high smoke point where it starts to flash in the chamber, but what about water? Why cant you add water to a diesel running on Oil. Why cant you heat the water to a point to where it starts to flash and mix your HHO in there and create a fire point? Have any of you seen my videos where I show water hitting Fire points and burning them or have you not been paying attention? Check out my youtube channel for Burn points, and remember water only has such points when mixed with HHO unlike the others. and One More TIme.
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WATER IS A FUEL
When you add HHO you get
1. Smoke Point, Like all other fuels.
2. Flash Point, Like all other fuels.
3. Burn Point, Liek all other fuels.
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That was NOT arcs that was heard in stans fuel cell, it was pops, and in stans self home heater it also wasn't sparks and crackes, he was hitting (Smoke points) because stan was Injecting HHO into the Smoke and causing a Flash Point lol, then a Fire point, he was using a (Burner) just like a Oil burner used today. The Lawn Mower ran off of a Gas called Water! Like it or not, Water is a Fuel (UNDER THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES.)
Chomp on that a while!, Till next time,,, catcha laterz, alagaters......
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I want to give each of you a Example of where peoples minds go. Here I will share a link with you and when you go there you will see some very smart people talking only about the flash point of water and if its flammable or not.
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080202010644AA34OB5
The guys speaking on this matter is correct to a point, We have reached new grounds here, and Today we are able to Inject Hydrogen and Oxygen from HHO cells into the (MIX) Altering the Flash Point of water and Creating a Burn point! I hope you seen my videos of flames from abnormally large sized holes. Stevie, remember the videos I let you watch, thats exactly what I am talking about now.
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hear any crackling or poping?
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I want to give each of you a Example of where peoples minds go. Here I will share a link with you and when you go there you will see some very smart people talking only about the flash point of water and if its flammable or not.
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080202010644AA34OB5
The guys speaking on this matter is correct to a point, We have reached new grounds here, and Today we are able to Inject Hydrogen and Oxygen from HHO cells into the (MIX) Altering the Flash Point of water and Creating a Burn point! I hope you seen my videos of flames from abnormally large sized holes. Stevie, remember the videos I let you watch, thats exactly what I am talking about now.
Thanks Brian.
I am a bit puzzled here....
Water is the end result of burning hydrogen and oxygen.
Thats why they call hydrogen a fuell and oxygen the oxidizer.
When those two react by burning, you get water.
O hooks up the two H atoms.
What kind of reaction do you think to get for getting the process you describe?
H2 atoms and O atoms mixing with water or steam, in your case?
H2O with H2, H1, OH, jumping, mixing, interfering into what sort of molecules?
Or is ambient air involved? Nitrogen, oxygen N2, O2?
Steve
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this is a more viable direction you should be headed to instead of magic circuits.. ;)
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My opinion is that this process is only electric between atoms but you don't need electricity to do it.
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i saw your videos(Brian Coats's youtube user) that awesome.great work.
thanks
geenee
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I want to give each of you a Example of where peoples minds go. Here I will share a link with you and when you go there you will see some very smart people talking only about the flash point of water and if its flammable or not.
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080202010644AA34OB5
The guys speaking on this matter is correct to a point, We have reached new grounds here, and Today we are able to Inject Hydrogen and Oxygen from HHO cells into the (MIX) Altering the Flash Point of water and Creating a Burn point! I hope you seen my videos of flames from abnormally large sized holes. Stevie, remember the videos I let you watch, thats exactly what I am talking about now.
Thanks Brian.
I am a bit puzzled here....
Water is the end result of burning hydrogen and oxygen.
Thats why they call hydrogen a fuell and oxygen the oxidizer.
When those two react by burning, you get water.
O hooks up the two H atoms.
What kind of reaction do you think to get for getting the process you describe?
H2 atoms and O atoms mixing with water or steam, in your case?
H2O with H2, H1, OH, jumping, mixing, interfering into what sort of molecules?
Or is ambient air involved? Nitrogen, oxygen N2, O2?
Steve
I think that you can burn Used burned motor oil in a diesel only if you start the engine on Diesel first, heat the motor oil then the engine will run on the burnt motor oil under one condition, the motor oils (Smoke and Flash Point) has been meet. Diesel meets its smoke and flash point under the compression stroke.
I think that Burned motor oil will not ignite when lite, just as water does not ignite when lite. The Higher the (Liquids Flash Point) the less volitile it is as a liquid. We know if you try and burn water it gives the same result you get if you try to burn motor oil. I'm talking about using a lighter not a torch. If you use a torch on motor oil it will light because the heat from the torch will cause the oil to reach is smoke point then flash point then burn point. When oil meets its burn point it will self ignite.
Water is a Fuel just as Diesel is a fuel. To meet the smoke point of water you heat it into types of steam. The flash point of water is when the H & O is there waiting to be ignited. The reason steam does not Ignite is because it is at its (Smoke Point). You can not reach a Burn point in water without introducing a very small amount of Hydroxy gas. Once you inject such a gas to water at is flash point you have a synthetic fuel.
Water is a fuel! It is not understood correctly.
You can always introduce carbon at the time you introduce hydroxy, this could alter the rate of the fuel mix.
Why do you think water Explodes when dumped on oil at its burn point. The oil acts as an injector when the water reaches its smoke point, the oils burn point injects into the water causing the H20 to explode upon itself, However, such injection of water into oil will eventually cool the oil down below its smoke point and the system will halt. The more the water the faster the oil looses its flash.
Water is a fuel, Diesel is a fuel, Kerosine is a fuel. Most liquides are fuels. Lets take a moment and look and ask, what liquide will not burn at its flash point? is there one? Why is water the only liquid that will but burn at its flash, or,, water will burn under the right conditions, (Just as the air you breath is Flammable.) Water is too! I know, Your thinking Air dont burn, But, Keep at it and you'll see Air burn if you havent already. ;) This stuff is I think nothing new to scientist that doesn't communicate with the outside world, This is gravy for them.
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Anybody that does not believe water is a fuel, please watch the video I posted in the beginning of this thread. When I shot that video, I did not have the knowledge I am giving you here today. Looking back, it makes great since to me.
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redox reactions are electrons exchange between atoms.. what you need to create are the right conditions for plasma creation.. this way you can turn air into plasma and with a little chemistry create a fuel from water air and hydrocarbon traces... it's important to follow the right order. Boiling oil does electron exchange with anything that comes into "contact" to return to equilibrium.
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HI Hydrocars
Is the flash point of water reached in process of pyrolysis of water?
Thank for ansver and your info.
andy
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I dont really understand your question since the word pyrolysis is over my vocabulary. Id rather not comment I'm unsure what your asking. But, water dont have a flash point, Unless gas from electrolysis is added, then you have a flashpoint. It should be around 212F I havent tested the temperature of the Flash point I just know its there, Like in the video in the first post of this thread.
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So water has a FlashPoint of 212F when Hydroxy is added. Yes, a Combustible gas is formed at that temperature, it is again, a fuel. It can be altered by mixing desired gases and carbons at this point. it seems the flashpoint might contradict the burn point, due to a high temperature smuthering out the flame I DONT KNOW, I am unsure if the COOLER in the video is needed. I have reached the flashpoint of water before without it with other cells just as the steam and hydrogen exited the fuel cell.
Rather than have an X amount of Steam and a small amount of hydroxy in 1 fuel cell you cant control, it is better to keep a cold cell to produce a low amount of hydroxy and just mix it into steam to get your combustible gas. It should be further experimented with in future test in your lab or work/hobby shop.
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Hydrocars
Pyrolysis of water is termical process of decomposition water to hydrogen and oxygen gas ( flammable gas ) at high temperature. My english is limited.
What is percentage of hydroxy gas to steam to trigger flash point of water ( 212 F ) and what presure?
Thank for your ansver
andy
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My cell produces about 4 to 4.5 liters of hydroxy per minute. If I run it hard it produces 5 liters. At the waters smoke point the hydroxy causes the steam to go into a flashpoint. I'm assuming at this point in time the fuel cell is so hot it fails to produce a good quality of hydroxy gas to sustain the flashpoint. The cooling coil in the video seemed to cool the gas to where it could be lite or else it would have blown out without cooling the combustible gas. I have performed this in a different setup but I could have produced the mix differently which allowed me a bypass of the cooling coil condensor. I'm not 100% water has no flash point, I know adding hydroxy amplifys it 100 fold. It could be possible to run a diesel on water if the flashpoint of the water is used, and injections of small amounts of hydroxy gas should be introduced.
I am uncertain how to answer, I produce enough gas with a cold cell to mix with smoked water on startup, I have not done any test to measure the mix, I have good ideal it takes a smaller amount of hydroxy and larger amount of water smoke. Water is a Fuel just as gas, kerosine, Diesel, Burnt oil, then water. I believe the fuel needs help getting started, just as oil does accept water is a (SYNTHETIC FUEL)
Pressure is not important, this was done with a sealed cell with a ball valve output wide open conencted to a barbed fitting and 1 quarter " hole feeding into a cooler coil. Only because the steam was aiding in pressure increases inside the cell just as a soda bottle when you shake it. Pressure was sustained at its very own desired rate not mine, it depended on the size of the hole in the barbed fitting and copper line.
You could experement on any cell that produces steam, but if enough hydroxy isn't generated then there will be no flashpoint. Why not just get a good hydroxy source, and good smoke point source and start testing and documenting. Right now I relocated and my lab is being moved to my new location, it will be a long time before I am able to test again. Right now I'm heating my home off the grid, and so far managed 130F out the supplie grills 8)
You see, stan was heating water in that solar silo when he seen water was a fuel. He stopped on the silo and begin to run the lawn mower engine on water. ;)
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Hydrocars
Thank you for ansver and detailed explanation.
andy
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Hydrocars
Pyrolysis of water is termical process of decomposition water to hydrogen and oxygen gas ( flammable gas ) at high temperature. My english is limited.
What is percentage of hydroxy gas to steam to trigger flash point of water ( 212 F ) and what presure?
Thank for your ansver
andy
I really like that term " water smoke" and the enthusiasm Coats :) my interests are that of the "water smoke" but when its under water .... the cloud that forms in the cells.... thats my "water smoke" :)
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Thanks guys, just wanted to share my 2 cents and not sit around keeping all these wonders in my head wondering if im the only one that see's it this way, atleast others can put their opinions on it now that I shared and maybe something good may come out of it. I'm still interested in resonating the water molecule too, I think theres many ways of unlocking this fuel not just 1. But, I am unsure if stan did any magic, Even though I do think it can and will be done one day, I dont think stans car ran on free energy, I think he seen something in that solar silo when he was heating the water, he was trying to heat peoples homes. Wuts up with stans wfc Heater that sits in peoples homes? That ideal i can assure you came from that silo. He just completely stopped on that silo and whent directly to the lawn mower. Charles the guy I interviewed on youtube said he heard snaps, crackles and pops in stans fuel cell. Thats how oil sounds when its heated, Im banking on stan had the water so hot it was poping and steam was coming with the hydroxy and thats what ran the mower, the combustible water gas.
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In the following video at 22 seconds you can see me light the (water gas.) The video is about 2 years old. You can observe hydroxy and steam mixing together to create a flash point of water, A Synthetic water gas! This is the fuel of the future!!! I have reason to believe this is what stan ran his mower on!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkqp3RTy4rM
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Hi Hydrocars,
Impressive stuff! I think you have found something to investigate into.
I would like to start testing with this approach, what are your recommendation for this? Are the schematics in this youtube movie (which are hard to read) the ones you use?
Thanks for the input
Waterfuel
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No, those schematics doesn't contribute to the production of hydrogen. I recommend getting a good hydrogen output clean of caustic soda, lye or hydroxide solutions and mix the hydroxy with water gas obtained after its boiling point to produce a combustible synthetic fuel. I'm sure additives would work but I dont recommend it.
Also, converting 120 to DC directly is ideal for such productions assuming the fuel cell is built for just that. I have about 60 plates all 6"X6" 1 to 1.5mm gap is ideal for a rough design. Some higher skilled gurus may just mix hydrogen directly to the mix, assuming they are safe about it, @ stevie.
Please dont forget to post your results if you decide to do this.
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It is possible stans heads was Flycut making the engine a hybrid between a gas and diesel, with higher compression.
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I've been thinking, I think that you can introduce superheated water into the combustion cylinder, and under the compression stroke I think the superheated water will further heat to its smoke point and all liquid under this pressure will hit the temperature that causes the water to gas conversion, I dont think you need hydrogen at all to run an engine on water using this method I think you just need to get your temperature right, and you might tweak the compression for better results. Just my thought.
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This may be viable to a very low proportion only since water vaporizing temperature increase with pressure up to a limit where it no longer can remain liquid. Of course this are hundreds of bars and hundreds of ºC and you need heat for getting into this...
The Nuclear reactors work on this basis so as the old smokymary trains...
Although i never had the ability to calculate that precisely. Its still a good idea for me. The thing is that it could only re-use the heat loss, thereto improving efficiency, but when you get to the point where your gain in eficiency is not greater than the effort to achieve it, than you can determine what is doable and what is not.
For example you need 4 liters of water to run a car per hour, but having 25% thermo mechanic efficiency, than if you used maybe 10 liters of water to achieve a 50% thermo mechanic efficiency you would be throwing away 6 liters of water to gain 25% so is not worth the effort.
regards