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Projects by members => Projects by members => J. Miller => Topic started by: jim miller on February 23, 2013, 18:02:56 pm
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HHO researcher Jon Abel is reported to have some success in having his electronics produce step charge patterns similar to those of Stanley Meyer
According to Jon, the basic circuit is based on David Lawton's pulse width moduator PWM and circuit of JL Naudin of JLN labs. The desired "shark fin"
oscilloscope traces may be seen as his youtube account and also at russ's rwgresearch forum. His tale of obstacles being placed into the path of his research
is discussed both at peswiki and the smartscarecrow show and has an all too familiar ring to it. For the advanced experimenter, the recent modications to JLN
circuitry combined with a Lawton PWM could be avenue worth pursuing ;)
A link to interview at SmartScarecrow Show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JakH_7Qtb8E&list=PL50AA71162981823D&index=6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JakH_7Qtb8E&list=PL50AA71162981823D&index=6)
A link to Peswiki article
http://pesn.com/2012/06/18/9602112_Volunteer_Jon_Abel_banned_from_NDSU_for_Stanley_Meyers_lab_research/ (http://pesn.com/2012/06/18/9602112_Volunteer_Jon_Abel_banned_from_NDSU_for_Stanley_Meyers_lab_research/)
A link to russ' comments on Abel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p1D-HIMqF0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p1D-HIMqF0)
A link to jon's site
http://www.youtube.com/user/joabel19711/videos (http://www.youtube.com/user/joabel19711/videos)
Video list
jon has flagged most of these links as private now, you will need a password to access
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKG70zfu1l4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKG70zfu1l4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxQj-9aZU-Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxQj-9aZU-Y)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6AXzE_75RM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6AXzE_75RM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYrkPmyfBZU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYrkPmyfBZU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvxvHLh-k5k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvxvHLh-k5k)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgzLov6nDlQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgzLov6nDlQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwenfkbDi9Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwenfkbDi9Q)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYBBb2Z0cYg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYBBb2Z0cYg)
link to plans ( uses old jnl circuit)
http://smartscarecrow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/MyWFC11.pdf (http://smartscarecrow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/MyWFC11.pdf)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh04uELdsNM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh04uELdsNM)
link to new circuit mod
http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfcbooster/WFCbooster06en.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfcbooster/WFCbooster06en.htm)
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The above videos show a classic Stan Meyer type shark fin trace but higher voltage zeners
would likely have handled the peak voltage spikes. The videos show some fine work by fellow
with the electronics training. It is a true shame about hassles he has experienced
Keep up the good work jon :)
regards
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how do we get a password to watch em.
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I believe that jon is a member here at ionizationx joabel1971 or you could get in touch at his youtube site
perhaps he will give a a password to view them. they are his videos and he can do whatever he wants with them
jon is a very smart fellow and he is definitely on to something :)
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The step charge can be produced like this with a small ferrite balun made of four feet of stranded wire using typical hyperfast diode and pure RO water, gap at .5 millimeter.
some gas when pure water, much gas with CaOH and very much gas with KOH
KB
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That is a fine o-scope trace kickbackemf. will your circuits support 2400 V spikes across the anode and cathode surfaces
without the electrolytes ( such as distilled or rain water) and not have the diodes breakdown?
nice work
regards
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In this case I'm running 16v off a laptop charger and 30 ma across the plates in RO water using an irfbc40 MOSFET and BYW29 diode, using a lm393/555 pwm with a dozen .1uf capacitors in series for the pulses to get in the multi 100k region with control of the pulse width really helps.
Currently doing all my work in the 40 watt area and I have yet to get to 2400 volts or more ptp like I used to at higher watt usage.
KB
Still quacks like electrolysis...
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And much credit should be given to Sebosfato for the pll circuit he brought to this forum. I use it and am thankful that he shared it here. Using the lm393/555 pwm to gate Sebs pll 4046 pulser makes this waveform simple to produce. You are looking for positive only waveforms way up past resonance and using only them by chopping off the trailing ocilations with another new pulse, the typically damping off wave is interrupted after first first large positive swing and then just before it gets a chance to swing into negative territory with the rest of the oscillation, you hit it with another positive pulse.
Kb
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In this case I'm running 16v off a laptop charger and 30 ma across the plates in RO water using an irfbc40 MOSFET and BYW29 diode, using a lm393/555 pwm with a dozen .1uf capacitors in series for the pulses to get in the multi 100k region with control of the pulse width really helps.
Currently doing all my work in the 40 watt area and I have yet to get to 2400 volts or more ptp like I used to at higher watt usage.
KB
If you got 16v across the plates,and 2400v with stepcharge,your production is like 16v strait dc,thats what i'v seen..stepcharge doesnt increase production,just alows you to develop full voltage potential in your case 16v in my case..16vout of the bif bobins...what are the specs on your coils?thanks!
Still quacks like electrolysis...
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I suppose so, im using 16v as a power source from a laptop charger. The coil is one half of a ferrite TV balun 2 inch with two 18 gauge silver coated stranded Teflon jacketed wire about three or four feet long wound together crisscrossing and jumbled as primary and secondary. The signal makes this waveform for me with a balen yet not when I wind the coil as a step up.
Over the years, even when I tried to force high voltage, high watt pulses through the water at all kinds of frequencies and contaminants did I ever get much more than a measly five volts measured across the plates with a simple analog voltmeter.
It appears the water reduces the voltage by absorbing the power into the body of water' yet the performance is the same whether immersed in a bath or closed up like a dry cell.
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Thanks,have you try pulsing the bif coils like the 8xa setup?i also put hv over the wfc...but as you got that 5 anoing v..i got also...Stan's circuit is a lc circuit ...so wfc /coils must match...whats the size of your wfc?
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Hi,
Must this must that, come on, I mean, have you yourself developed a system that makes gas in the extra ordinary amounts that warrants all this attention and effort by so many well meaning folks?
I say this lightly, tongue in cheek, no offense...
Kb
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I just asked you if you tried,not obliged you to do it,i got aprox the same results as your setup.
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. jnl060213.003
a mod with new fast switching diode
jnl060213.004
o-scope trace
courtesty jnl :)
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the setup with one diode i tried and seems to work but dont have a scope
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Yeah, sorry about the smart Alice remark, anyway, I tried that fast diode and it works as well as any. Even at below 100 ma current through the cell the ultra, hyper, super duper fast diodes don,t seem to produce more gas. The standard1N1190A diode rated at 40a and 600v makes just as much gas compared side by side with super fast. The oscope shows less sharp peaks, quicker damping off and lower ptp v accordingly. ..but it lasts forever.
Maybe im mistaken but is the 8xa circuit really isolated? variac dc input chopped and sent direct to the cell via a coil, is nothing special. Perhaps that explains the ease of gas production versus an isolated secondary as in the various vics.
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Don said that the 8xa is not a resonant setup,but Tony,Max,and Daniel Palacios got the AM waveform,and current consumption in miliamp range.Thanks!
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Yeah, sorry about the smart Alice remark, anyway, I tried that fast diode and it works as well as any. Even at below 100 ma current through the cell the ultra, hyper, super duper fast diodes don,t seem to produce more gas. The standard1N1190A diode rated at 40a and 600v makes just as much gas compared side by side with super fast. The oscope shows less sharp peaks, quicker damping off and lower ptp v accordingly. ..but it lasts forever.
Maybe im mistaken but is the 8xa circuit really isolated? variac dc input chopped and sent direct to the cell via a coil, is nothing special. Perhaps that explains the ease of gas production versus an isolated secondary as in the various vics.
kickbackemf (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1606) can you post a schematic of what you are experiting with?I want to try it out and see if my pc scope can see that waveform.Or if not can you tell me the bobin size\stile and the size of the wfc..thanks!