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Title: Dan Danforth Molecular Dissociation of Water-Inductor Details
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2012, 07:42:38 am
 Dan Danforth's Water Fuel Cell Prototype One has part  L1  labelled
with the schematic sign  for inductor inthe original journal article
Title: Re: Dan Danforth Molecular Dissociation of Water-Inductor Details
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2012, 09:30:05 am
can you describe a little more?
Title: Re: Dan Danforth Molecular Dissociation of Water-Inductor Details
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2012, 12:55:14 pm
Dan may have made a typo in the newsletter  for part45   It was Formvar   (b and v) are adjacent letters on the typewriter.
The original description by Dan Danforth in the Space Energy Association article was a little sketchy and the available
scans of the article on the internet are difficult to read.  Perhaps 150 mH or so. If someone were to build one then
it might be compared to theoretical.
Title: Re: Dan Danforth Molecular Dissociation of Water-Inductor Details
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2012, 18:34:06 pm
Why should Dan have made 2 coils on one core, and put them in serie? Just to get more henrys on the core?
Title: Re: Dan Danforth Molecular Dissociation of Water-Inductor Details
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2012, 20:45:29 pm
The image from the Space Energy Association's newsletter and the descriptions in the article are somewhat vague.
Part # 45 is labeled as L1 in the poorly scanned image commonly found on the internet. I believe that they were
wound as two separate coils although only two leads are shown in the image in the news letter. The article does mention
the the two coils need to be inductively coupled. Perhaps the  coils slid on the iron core for minor adjustments in
the inductance.

Another approach would be to estimate the water cell's capacitance, assume the various frequencies that are given
in the article and see what value of L1 would be reasonable and then to compare it to the calculated and
experimental value of an inductor replication.
Title: Re: Dan Danforth Molecular Dissociation of Water-Inductor Details
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2012, 21:00:21 pm
In the orginal drawing  from SEA, there is a small line between the two sections about 0.5 inches long that  could be a wire conecting the two sections
or it could be a drafting error. Further analysis of the circuit might shed some light on this. Analysis of the Petty,Cramton  or Meyer circuits might also help in
clarifying this.

regards

Title: Re: Dan Danforth Molecular Dissociation of Water-Inductor Details
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2012, 21:16:57 pm
I think they are both in serie connected on 1 core.
Btw, please dont mention Petty, Cramton in the same sentence as Meyer.
Both Cramton and Petty did just electrolysis. Nothing fancy, so to speak. I do appreciate their research, but non of them did what Meyer did.
Meyer had multiple patents.


Steve
Title: Re: Dan Danforth Molecular Dissociation of Water-Inductor Details
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2012, 23:05:54 pm
Yes Steve you are right on every count!! A closer look at the original ,although poorly scanned ,image does show a line between section A and section B
therefore the series explanation makes perfect sense.!

I was told by a close associate of Stan's that he did in fact travel to Sri Lanka. The corpus of experiments, writings and patents by Stanley Meyer is indeed
mind boggling. When filling in the "missing pieces" ;)  of Stan's biography, Dan Danforth's name cropped up in the same issue of Space Energy.
Whether Stan ever met with Dan in Columbo where he lived  is unknown at this point. but Stan's Tubular Array Cell  predates and resembles Danflorth's
 in terms of materials and the use of pulsed  voltage and frequency.

Because there is a dearth of published circuits on the subject, I pulled up the names of the other chaps because the members of ionizationx
might be familiar or have an understanding  of  how Messrs. Petty and Cramton circuits function and therefore might more easily determine
the function of various parts of  Dan's Prototype One circuit. No sleight intended. I was leaving no stone unturned

best regards and thanks for  all your work on ionizationx.


 
Title: Re: Dan Danforth Molecular Dissociation of Water-Inductor Details
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2012, 23:47:12 pm
No worry, Jim.

Actually, both cramton as petty has been members here at ionizationx  8)
They are great researchers.

The Danforth schematic was clear for me years ago, except the idea on how to use the bemf spike over tge cell. Dont worry on everything before the last transistor.
Thats easely build with new techno. A 2n3055 will do fine as last stage transistor.