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a4 arkiver4 hho: first article is 6 pp with specs Dec 1991 Vol III Issue IV
followup article is 2 pp March 1992 Vol IV Issue I
also a stan meyer mod in same volume, danny no longer in colombo, sri lanka
a4 hhoreplikator
Suggested Modifictaions to Danforth Prototype 1
1. I recommend the placement of the electrodes at the bottom of the exciter tubes to reduce explosion risks
associated with electrical discharge near the HHO collection point.
2. As per Dr. Cramton's method, run the acoustics program and procedure for notch width and depth and keep < 5 hz difference
for individual tube pairs and as a whole.
3 Place cross bars within the smaller tubes for x-y stability to reduce the problem Stan had on turns.
(see attachment 4, ) The water slosh in hho container may have also been a factor in variable hho output upon
acceleration or deceleration
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4 As per Dave Lawton's method,.move the disk supports closer to to nodal points, I would suggest bevel the inside contact points ...> <...
on the seven hole support discs for the smaller diameter tubes ( labelled B on page 19 of the prototype 1 doc)) or following
the lead of Dr Cramton, use teflon needle screw adjustments to hold tubes loosely with minimum damping contact.
5 Sandia24 asked me to tell you the piezo booster should be using first harmonic for best production and
to place the tube set at the focus of the parabolic trough reflector, main piezo on the large tube
plate, sync the main and booster piezos to prevent bfo's.introducing large osscilations in gas production.
Sandia24 also mentioned that the acoustic piezo frequency can be a harmonic of the gate pulse for the
electronic module.
6 A nice tweak from thorzpower was to use a thermistor to modifiy the piezo frequencies to account for the water
cooling effect.
7. hermann is putting PDMS in his cell as a defoaming agent but I think the nylon grid and/or floating glass spheres allow for
adequate bubble coalesence without introducing complications at the stainless/water interface. (If you have ever used
silicon grease on valves on labware, you will know what a job it is to remove ) The principle is one of providing a surface for the
smaller bubbles to grow to larger size. Thorzpower uses a fixed stainless oven or barbie scrubber for the same purpose and one of his
friends uses a 3M brand pot or grill scrubber. Floating beads reduce the amount of spray and splash at the surface. You may want to look at
modifying the scubber to float on the surface. Just as a small block of wood (say 12 cm by 12cm by 6 cm ) will suppress
sloshing of water in a pail, a floating porous matrix such as the beads, nylon grid or stainless scrubber would serve the dual purpose of
reducing spray and slosh while essentially acting as a mechaniclal defoamer.
The above mods should improve the rate of bubble release, thus increasing the effective area of bubble formation and HHO production..
Also the slosh and spray of the water surface is reduced
The more constant release of the bubbles should lead to more constant capacitance of the cell resulting in better control of the process.
Nice pix ;)
q4arkiver4hho I agree ,1 5 1981 jaffna was bad culturally but not as bad as 14 2 1981 leningrad (Operation Alexandria) in terms of volume count, do you still have any contacts with the research librarians there?
q4arkiver4hho any progress on the MOD tapes? the indexing code looks right for the still in terms of date of acquisition and general format which puts it 30 days after the INCA
visit. However the image is from an earlier buggy testbed. Perhaps Stan gave the crew some background photos as part of the film's background research packet ?
q4queueseeeyes In your last meeting with C Cuvar what is the timeline for the VHS to DVD conversion for the estate vids or did it not come up?
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Don Lancaster <don@tinaja.com> wrote in message news:<416E8BE5.986C99BA@tinaja.com>...
> tsunami wrote:
> >
> > I've lost contact with Dan Danforth. The phone number in Colombo is
> > disconnected. Can anyone help me contact him? Email Charlie at
> > tsunami_makers@yahoo.com.
> > Thanks
>
> The Danforth information is not even wrong.
> It is also utter hogwash that only the thermodynamically challenged
> would not see through in an instant.
<snip Donny's shamless website plug as usual>
By the way. If you like to do some experiment, try this.
AT FIRST:
You must know the difference between a chemical reaction and a
nuclear reaction. A lot of people don't understand that but they like
to argue a lot in every NG on Internet.
In a chemical reaction you need a lot of current and some salt for
making the water conductive.
In a nuclear reaction you don't need any current at all, only high
voltage. How much current you need in a real application depends
on how clean your water is. As cleaner as better.
Stanley Meyers method's have NOTHING to do with chemical
reactions.
HOW TO?
As a guide, you need US Patent 4,936,961 ref. figure 1 to 3F.
If you read something about magical frequencyis, forget that.
It works fine with 10KHz or something else if you preferred.
Use 50% duty cycle. BUT! the frequency will be doubled in the
step up circuit and that's the frequency the Water-Cell will work
with. The components must resist at least 2000V.
The Water-Cell is very simple. Take a lot of stainless steel tubes
with the inner diameter of the bigger tube 3mm bigger than the outer
diameter of the inner tube. From now you must look at this
Water-Cell as a capacitor with water as dilectricum.
The Water-Cell and the INDUCTOR will resonate at a specific
frequency. It's a normal RC-circuit.
Now the most important: The Water-Cell/Inductor frequency and
the doubled frequency from the generator must be exactly the
same. A special condition exists in a L/C Circuit, when it is
energized at a frequency at which the inductive reactance is equal
to the capacitive reactance, XL = XC.
Adjust the voltage peak level to reach a maximum hydrogen/oxygen
producing with a minimum of current using. If you earlier make
hydrogen with the electrolysis method with a lot of current,
this experiment will really surprise you.
For even less current you can make some experiment with a
centertapped puls-transformer.
Have a nice trip to Ohio!
Ted!
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Don Lancaster <don@tinaja.com> wrote in message news:<416E8BE5.986C99BA@tinaja.com>...
> tsunami wrote:
> >
> > I've lost contact with Dan Danforth. The phone number in Colombo is
> > disconnected. Can anyone help me contact him? Email Charlie at
> > tsunami_makers@yahoo.com.
> > Thanks
>
> The Danforth information is not even wrong.
> It is also utter hogwash that only the thermodynamically challenged
> would not see through in an instant.
<snip Donny's shamless website plug as usual>
By the way. If you like to do some experiment, try this.
AT FIRST:
You must know the difference between a chemical reaction and a
nuclear reaction. A lot of people don't understand that but they like
to argue a lot in every NG on Internet.
In a chemical reaction you need a lot of current and some salt for
making the water conductive.
In a nuclear reaction you don't need any current at all, only high
voltage. How much current you need in a real application depends
on how clean your water is. As cleaner as better.
Stanley Meyers method's have NOTHING to do with chemical
reactions.
HOW TO?
As a guide, you need US Patent 4,936,961 ref. figure 1 to 3F.
If you read something about magical frequencyis, forget that.
It works fine with 10KHz or something else if you preferred.
Use 50% duty cycle. BUT! the frequency will be doubled in the
step up circuit and that's the frequency the Water-Cell will work
with. The components must resist at least 2000V.
The Water-Cell is very simple. Take a lot of stainless steel tubes
with the inner diameter of the bigger tube 3mm bigger than the outer
diameter of the inner tube. From now you must look at this
Water-Cell as a capacitor with water as dilectricum.
The Water-Cell and the INDUCTOR will resonate at a specific
frequency. It's a normal RC-circuit.
Now the most important: The Water-Cell/Inductor frequency and
the doubled frequency from the generator must be exactly the
same. A special condition exists in a L/C Circuit, when it is
energized at a frequency at which the inductive reactance is equal
to the capacitive reactance, XL = XC.
Adjust the voltage peak level to reach a maximum hydrogen/oxygen
producing with a minimum of current using. If you earlier make
hydrogen with the electrolysis method with a lot of current,
this experiment will really surprise you.
For even less current you can make some experiment with a
centertapped puls-transformer.
Have a nice trip to Ohio!
Ted!
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Re: Meyer Circuit Experiment
... > similar kinds of equipment in general use for other purposes. ... nuclear reaction. ... The Water-Cell is very simple. ... diameter of the inner tube. ...
(sci.energy.hydrogen)
Re: Stanley =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Meyer=B4s_waterfuelcell_research_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?in_ger
... Iggy:D ... nuclear reaction. ... The Water-Cell is very simple. ... diameter of the inner tube. ...
(sci.energy.hydrogen)
Re: Stanley =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Meyer=B4s_waterfuelcell_research_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?in_ger
... Iggy:D ... nuclear reaction. ... The Water-Cell is very simple. ... diameter of the inner tube. ...
(sci.energy.hydrogen)
Re: Stanley =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Meyer=B4s_waterfuelcell_research_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?in_ger
... nuclear reaction. ... making the water conductive. ... The Water-Cell is very simple. ... diameter of the inner tube. ...
(sci.energy.hydrogen)
Re: Meyer Circuit Experiment
... > spaced electrodes immersed in plain tap water. ... nuclear reaction. ... The Water-Cell is very simple. ... If you make a cell with more steel it will require a diferent ...
(sci.energy.hydrogen)
That was Ted Zettergren,the first replicator of S.M.work,a few mounts after Stan death.