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This thread i will present my ideas about the working of the voltage intensifier circuit, required for the operation of the water fuel cell:
The vic is a system for restricting the flow of amperes while allowing voltage electrical stress to be propagated. It uses a principle called the electron bounce phenomenon, that is simply the separation of charges in conductor materials under time varying magnetic fields. For this a pulse is applied and is compressed during the collapse the field in its coils.
It can be made in different ways but mainly consists of a transformer having at least 3 coils.. where L1 is the primary, L2 secondary, L3 is a choke...
The L3 choke is add to the same core choking off secondary voltage to be able to create high voltages from the collapsing fields by opening and keeping open the diode switch while not exceeding its PIV Rating.
A L4 variable choke is added in series for balancing the circuit to allow the secondary and the diode to act as a switch, its adjusted so that the collapse voltage developed in the secondary during the collapse is bigger than that from the chokes, so the diode keeps shut in pulsing off conditions while the reverse voltage at the diode do not exceed PIV rating... Is adjusted for different types of water because different water contaminants will require more or less leakage for the desired operation.
If the no choke is on the same core so only the secondary is pulsed, for it to work with the diode as a switch is unreliable since the collapse of the chokes will need to generate a voltage not greater than the secondary reversed voltage during the collapse to keep the diode open to let the field collapse...
Where
L1 < L2 > L3
and L4 is not part of the same pulsing core...
or
L1<L2>L3+L4 if L4 is subjected to the same magnetic core.. .
In the first case
VL2 = VL1*T
T=N2/N1
VL3=VL1*T2
T2=N3/N1
I=(VL2-VL3)/Z
Resuming
If secondary is bigger than needed, a series L4 choke is further added to restrict the amps beyond electron bounce phenomenon, which will balance or attenuate the voltage across the diode during pulse off to allow it to work as switch at minimum amp leakage while not exceeding its PIV rating.
If secondary is too small the series choke is reduced or secondary is made bigger, otherwise the diode will never open... or will suffer high reverse voltages.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11374)
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UPDATED POST: Here we go! « Last Edit: Today at 17:32:53 by webmug »
I got some new insight what the EbP (Electron Bounce Phenomenon) is and started to fiddle with the CYCLE, PERIOD and PULSE FREQUENCY dials on my waveform generator.
I noticed that the EbP is already shown in the patents from Stan. It only doesn't read in theory as when you see it in real experimentation.
Look at the Figure 7-9 (700) from the Birth of New Technology document.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11376)
We see electrons dislodged starting to from positive voltage potential at the top and we have electron clustering forming negative potential at the bottom. This is the secondary coil.
This has no meaning when we tune in with a PULSE FREQUENCY on resonance. We only see AC swing.
The phenomenon happens when we start the GATE (CYCLE). The PULSE FREQUENCY is now off resonance when you GATE the PULSE.
The PERIOD is pausing the CYCLES (NUMBER OF PULSES) going into the coils and creating a bouncing magnetic field. This what Stan said in the document creating the EbP!
Now the trick is to tune into the maximum charging of the chokes and let it collapse in sync!
Connections
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11387)
This is the signal I got before the diode (yellow trace) and the PULSE CYCLES.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11382)
The PLL has to maintain the PULSE frequency and here you can see the pickup signal. The PERIOD is about 100mSec because the time gap between wave is too wide, the PLL can't lock-on but if the PERIOD is 3mSec we have a continuous wave to lock-on!
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11385)
In my scope shot newfile15 you see the positive choke forming unipolar pulses. GND is connected between secondary negative and negative choke. Now this is just to show what EbP is!!! The negative choke is not tuned, you see the voltage is not on resonant frequency as the positive choke. This is because of the GND connection, negative choke can not swing!!!
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11378)
When you lose the gnd connection between secondary negative and negative choke you see newfile20 the same phenomenon but there are still electrons moving. To have UNIPOLAR pulses to form there must be 99% electron inhibiting. Meaning above zero for positive pulse wave and below zero negative pulses.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11380)(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11408)
Now I did this test with choke L1 3100 turns and L2 also 3100 turns. Secondary has 2700 turns and primary 521.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11384 (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11384)
Coils Coefficients
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2474.msg23195.html#msg23195 (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2474.msg23195.html#msg23195)
I think this is the starting point for the Resonance VIC transformer and we can now see the workings what happens when electron movement is inhibited. This is far from complete! It needs more tuning of the coils to overcome the WFC...
What comes to mind is that the chokes used here are too big for the secondary to fully charged to get 99% electron inhibiting, what Seb explains.
What now is needed are more experimenters duplicating this phenomenon!
Cheers!!!!
Br,
Webmug
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Is this a real scope shot? or simulation?
The secondary according to my theory must be bigger than the chokes for it to be able to turn on the diode correctly...
The Electron bouncing Phenomenon is simply a region in the coils where electrons cant flow because there is a counter well of potential, so if they want to flow they need to jump it. As they don't do that, the amps are restricted. The same electron clustering and positive copper ion clustering creates the electric potential sent to the cell..
Using a normal transformer and chokes in series would work if we manage to keep the diode open during pulse off.
A method to do so is to add a coil in parallel with the primary to accumulate energy and reverse the secondary voltage enough for the job to get done. Other methods could be to create a kind of unbalanced bipolar pulse that is sent to the primary with different positive and negative values and pulse width, so that the secondary negative swing can be totally controlled... I think this is what stan meant by controlling it fully electronically---
This is all right if my theory is correct, i thought it developed it and i'm now believing it otherwise i wouldn't insist. I need to believe it fully so i can put my hands to work on it or i just keep waiting... If you disagree somehow, please i'll be happy to be proved wrong. It took me countless hours, sleepless nights and kilos of papers and pencils for the thousands of drawings i made to thinking and finally concluding this things.
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This is not a simulation!!!!
The chokes must have almost the same frequency as the secondary or doubled to make full advantage of the EbP.
Regards!
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Do you see any gas?
What frequency you are looking into?
voltage/current/inductances readings?
Please give us some numbers =) to think about...
I'm finishing my vic today and will start the testing.... for right now i'm going to the university to try talk to one of the "bigger" physicist today there... I'm going to ask him about this theory... to see what he says about it...
Regards
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Seb,
My test is to get the VIC first to operate what Stan described in the documents. The LC is the final test choke L1 and WFC capacitance and the Resistance.
No WFC is connected, because when I do the frequency can't tune on resonance. The WFC capacitance alters this and the coils resistance has to be matched above WFC resistance with is 280ohms.
Ask a physicist it is possible to inhibit electrons 8)
Br,
Webmug
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I think is ok to do all the tests you want, but the amp restriction should only effect water or gases.. i guess
:D i will ask him but will explain all this i explained to you. What i'm afraid is that he tell me that this clustering wont send the potential to the water... but from what i see is where its going to as is the path of lower resistance for the electric flux lines to go....
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From what i understood the thing behave like an antenna thats why although there is no path for secondary the electrons are oscillated between the chokes and the cell... not passing thru secondary,,,
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I think is ok to do all the tests you want, but the amp restriction should only effect water or gases.. i guess
:D i will ask him but will explain all this i explained to you. What i'm afraid is that he tell me that this clustering wont send the potential to the water... but from what i see is where its going to as is the path of lower resistance for the electric flux lines to go....
When the WFC was connected to the above setup there is AC. What you see is the difference voltage potential between the chokes output, there is still electron leakage and the WFC can't do the EPP. The signal has to be UNIPOLAR pulse wave first!
Regards!
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I hope that you now see there is no ground connection at the VIC circuit!!!
When you have a ground you can not let the negative choke swing for equal but opposite voltage potential.
Let it be now clear what Stan meant with "isolated electrical circuit" and "isolated electrical ground".
Br,
Webmug
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I don't thats really the reason, actually i think is only to avoid disturbance of extra electrons than waters...
Ps: the teacher didn't wanted to answer nor try to understand much he simply said it was so complicated and i was talking about so many combined subjects that he would take 1 month to think about...
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I don't thats really the reason, actually i think is only to avoid disturbance of extra electrons than waters...
Ps: the teacher didn't wanted to answer nor try to understand much he simply said it was so complicated and i was talking about so many combined subjects that he would take 1 month to think about...
Well that's what I see! When connectin g ground you have zero volts at the negative choke output.
Got your VIC transform er ready? I hope you have also the coils Coefficie nts the same L1/2 = C1/C2 = R1/R2.
When it gets interesting they have no time! Typical answer I assume.
Regards!
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Stans old diagrams always show the secondary connected to ground and than the choke connected to ground to the negative of the cell...
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http://www.dbc.wroc.pl/Content/3458/High+Voltage+Engineering.pdf
http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/magnetic.html
http://cas.web.cern.ch/cas/Belgium-2009/Lectures/PDFs/Tommasini.pdf
http://www.aei.tuke.sk/pdf/2010-04/13_Stojkov.pdf
http://www.rle.mit.edu/media/pr152/17_PR152.pdf
http://www.sayedsaad.com/High_voltge/index.htm
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080209175224AAki4OI
http://pt.scribd.com/doc/100793697/Dielectric-Phenomena-in-Solids
http://books.google.com.br/books?id=MxvRST5PT1cC&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=distribution+of+charges+inside+metal+time+varying&source=bl&ots=W4XUZkoeTC&sig=HoQrkruXHA3eoSEKTFgcMlIQn80&sa=X&ei=v7gsUO6WEoWt0AGU7oGYCQ&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=distribution%20of%20charges%20inside%20metal%20time%20varying&f=false
Here it says the dielectric constant for conductors is infinite only for static fields, under time varying fields the charges induced on metal surfaces may not follow instantaneously the time varying field for this reason the dielectric constant is not infinite in this case.
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http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=lecturechapter34.ppt%20electric%20&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CFUQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.physics.umd.edu%2Fcourses%2FPhys270%2FJenkins%2FLectureChapter34.ppt&ei=HBotUL7NGonq8wS5hIGIBA&usg=AFQjCNH1_v3_v5dyN6wVNVF2VgQ_sxzXpw
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So why can we not use more coils in the same magnetic field?
That would solve a lot shit ......More receivers more power?
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Its seems to be the way... As we only use the force of the field and not the amps..
Well i think, and notice this is my personal belief, that thicker coils will have a higher electric field induced at the leads for the same potential and length because i think there will be more free charges to be disturbed by the EM fields... and the surface of the wire does not increase much...
Thats why today instead of start testing my vic, i constructed a new one with thicker and less turns wires.. 100 turns each choke 18awg, 30 primary 18awg, 200 plus taps the secondary probably 28awg... one over the other respectively so i can adjust the secondary...
I wound the chokes first, isolated from each other, than a cut another bigger bobbing and fit it in the outside of the first bobbin cavity, there i wound the primary, and than the secondary... all same polarities are at one side of the bobbin...
I can use for this new vic 4 configurations of core, CC,CI,I,CIC
i'm going to finish all the setup later for start testing it...
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Its seems to be the way... As we only use the force of the field and not the amps..
Well i think, and notice this is my personal belief, that thicker coils will have a higher electric field induced at the leads for the same potential and length because i think there will be more free charges to be disturbed by the EM fields... and the surface of the wire does not increase much...
Thats why today instead of start testing my vic, i constructed a new one with thicker and less turns wires.. 100 turns each choke 18awg, 30 primary 18awg, 200 plus taps the secondary probably 28awg... one over the other respectively so i can adjust the secondary...
I wound the chokes first, isolated from each other, than a cut another bigger bobbing and fit it in the outside of the first bobbin cavity, there i wound the primary, and than the secondary... all same polarities are at one side of the bobbin...
I can use for this new vic 4 configurations of core, CC,CI,I,CIC
i'm going to finish all the setup later for start testing it...
I agree with this direction and is also similar to what I am presently working on and have worked on in the past with a different resonating circuit. I also have previous documented notes from another individual who gave me tips in this direction two years ago.
TS
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This is the directions stan gave to us... mixing patents informations an all others available...I took all parameters i thought was necessary and played with my mind to fin a solution. I didn't wanted to use 36awg wire, so i used 28awg and started with 200turns... and instead of 24awg for the chokes and primary i used less turns for the primary only 30 and used 18awg for them because i had this wire here...
The important is that i'm not blind testing it anymore i know what i'm going to accomplish with this and thats the big difference...
my goals with this is to confirm if my design will allow the field to collapse, doubling the frequency to allow the electric fields to be applied to the water with amps restricted.
and If it works, to confirm if the electric fields of opposite polarities generated by the induced delocalization of charge in an isolated wire can indeed switch off the covalent forces of water molecule.
And if it works, the goal will be to determine the parameters to improve the yield. Or if the yield is good enough, to conclude my plans here.
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This is the directions stan gave to us... mixing patents informations an all others available...I took all parameters i thought was necessary and played with my mind to fin a solution. I didn't wanted to use 36awg wire, so i used 28awg and started with 200turns... and instead of 24awg for the chokes and primary i used less turns for the primary only 30 and used 18awg for them because i had this wire here...
The important is that i'm not blind testing it anymore i know what i'm going to accomplish with this and thats the big difference...
my goals with this is to confirm if my design will allow the field to collapse, doubling the frequency to allow the electric fields to be applied to the water with amps restricted.
and If it works, to confirm if the electric fields of opposite polarities generated by the induced delocalization of charge in an isolated wire can indeed switch off the covalent forces of water molecule.
And if it works, the goal will be to determine the parameters to improve the yield. Or if the yield is good enough, to conclude my plans here.
We are restricting current using the magnetic field, is what Stan alway said in lectures and documents.
What stated we must make coils with the same coefficients. Looks to me the design of coil length and width dimentions are not chosen by chance. The cavities in the injector bobbin must have the same parameters as the 5 coiler.
The wire 30 AWG is for the increase in selfcapacitance. So using less wire is less selfcapacitance which also effects the inductance and resistance! The coefficients L H and R must be the same for the chokes.
You can do different coils designs but why not stick to the given parameters? Makes it more complicated, what I think!
Seb, go ahead with other specs! You come to the final conclusion Stan did using his specs in the end... :)
Br,
Webmug
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So why can we not use more coils in the same magnetic field?
That would solve a lot shit ......More receivers more power?
Steve,
Stan said, simply wrap more wire turns for higher voltages!
Br,
Webmug
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I think stan gave away only an idea of what it was, there is much more related to it. His specs are only a direction for me not a rule at all...
He uses the electric field force of electrodynamic charges, which is a conservative force, so it don't get consumed or destroyed in an electronic circuit. Is different than the force turn a generator to create a difference of potential to draw current...
The fact is that I don't think is the magnetic field that restrict the amps is the potential well developed... Because if my theory is correct the coils don't need to be coupled.. What restricts the amps is the impossibility for them to start or stop to flow instantaneously in this arranged system...
To not stick to his specs makes me think more and find a solution based on what i'm finding in the way. I learned a lot in this time, all the tests i prepared myself gave me incredible amount of understanding, over the prior art :)
Do you understand how is much different from buying a pulsing circuit on the web and play with some blackbox toys?
Regards
Sebosfato
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I think stan gave away only an idea of what it was, there is much more related to it. His specs are only a direction for me not a rule at all...
He uses the electric field force of electrodynamic charges, which is a conservative force, so it don't get consumed or destroyed in an electronic circuit. Is different than the force turn a generator to create a difference of potential to draw current...
The fact is that I don't think is the magnetic field that restrict the amps is the potential well developed... Because if my theory is correct the coils don't need to be coupled.. What restricts the amps is the impossibility for them to start or stop to flow instantaneously in this arranged system...
To not stick to his specs makes me think more and find a solution based on what i'm finding in the way. I learned a lot in this time, all the tests i prepared myself gave me incredible amount of understanding, over the prior art :)
Do you understand how is much different from buying a pulsing circuit on the web and play with some blackbox toys?
Regards
Sebosfato
Seb, I also build lots of coils and build all kinds of pulse frequency generators. In the end a modern device is letting me see things better because I can adjust with higher resolutions. Some web pcbs are not adjusted for all kinds of coils, you have to tune the device or you coils! So they are in signal range!
My and your sources are wide and thanks to Dynodon some parts where revealed to us. What Stan build into his Bug and photos of the materials doesn't make it simply work! That's obvious.
http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Stans%20Estate/4-23-2011%209_45_59%20AM.JPG (http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Stans%20Estate/4-23-2011%209_45_59%20AM.JPG)
Testing circuits and try to understand what Stan wrote is not simple if it really worked.
I'm not stoping you building other designs, Stan said other wfc design should work also if you understand the prior art. That's what we want to learn.
I hope you see some things happening according to your theory testing your VIC! Keep us posted.
Br,
Webmug
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Today i talked to an electric engineer specialized in high voltages... he understood all i said and agree with me, he told me i'm going to be very rich hahaha
He will help me to measure the electric fields present since the calculation is not really that easy... next week
Webmug,
Of course was great thing to see the resonant cavity images... but what was trying to say is that stan talked to those who had knowledge in the prior art, so many of the things he said was to kind of trick you and yet more them, while some not...
What i did was to profound analyze it, knowing where to look and what to do...
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Here is my new toy...
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Here is my new toy...
Muito amavel!! ( Very nice!!)
TS
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Muito obrigado TS =)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?client=mv-google&nomobile=1&hl=en-GB&v=6FOq7-WsL5c&gl=US
I like how this is explained. Have you tried it?
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Here is my new toy...
Hi Fabio,
It seems that you enjoy yourself well....... :)
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Example of the Resonance VIC with "EbP" (green trace) but still electron leakage.
Thanks outlawstc!
Regards!
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Hope This is the last saturday working on it ;)
The thing is almost done to start pulsing... just need to connect the diode now and verify the polarities...
It's a beautiful day for this thing to work at the first time...
I took so much to prepare myself for today because probably i can fail, but there's a possibility that it works so... It would be too chocking for me :o to see it working...
Bubz
I looked the video but i didn't tried this, nor understood too much, was he talking about the self resonance, or a kind of space time resonance? What did you understood? It impressed me that the frequency was very low for self resonance...
Thanks
Steve,
I'm having lot of fun here doing this, but hope to have more fun in the future with a water car going to the beach ;)
"Long time we no have no nice time, do you do you do you, think about that!" Bob marley
Webmug,
Wish i could have an oscilloscope like that too, than i could show you the wave forms too... It seems to be what it seems to be, but without a look in the circuit, i wouldn't say for sure...
Actually the wave form should never cross an arbitrary ground!
In that wave form it could mean this...
Regards
Fabio
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Correct, UNIPOLAR signal should never cross an arbitrary ground.
Did you also incorporate the WFC resistance and capacitance in your theory? Especially the WFC resistance factor!!
Regards!
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Yes webmug i did, The leakage current also depends on that plus circuit resiststances..
I just did the first test... The igbt burned when i was going down with the frequency... Gas output at first attempt =)
Not much really but it was increasing as i was going down with the frequency...
I'm going to add a bit of protection on the switch...
lets see what happens..
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Yes webmug i did, The leakage current also depends on that plus circuit resiststa nces..
I just did the first test... The igbt burned when i was going down with the frequency ... Gas output at first attempt =)
Not much really but it was increasin g as i was going down with the frequency ...
I'm going to add a bit of protectio n on the switch...
lets see what happens..
Would be a good time to make some videos.
TS
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Yes webmug i did, The leakage current also depends on that plus circuit resiststances..
Ok,
Lets punch some real values in the theory.
I want to restrict current using the EbP when the WFC has 1nF, 250ohms measured with LCR BK meter at 10kHz. I use RAIN WATER and have the 3 inch WFC Stan specs.
The WFC ESR is 250 ohms and not frequency depended.
What coils do I have to design to have the right signal transfer without the voltage drop due to the WFC connecting the chokes and secondary coil?
If you can calculate this... ??? :)
Br,
Webmug
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Balance of the day:
Many igbts and mosfets blew...
I used the variac to feed the field winding of the alternator... and used the alternator as the dc source, it was much better than the variac,,,
If just had a decent oscilloscope i could see those spikes and protect my system better,,,
No wonderful production yet...
I tried with tap water...
I don't know webmug, the resitance of my water here with this new tube cell... Nor i measure currents flowing yet, i just varied the frequency... at 10khz it kind of resonated...
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I'm thinking about adding a diode an resistor in series ) in parallel with the primary... seems there is too much energy in the core ...
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Probably getting back EMF. I've blown a few diodes in my PWM because of that. Usually I use an extra diode in series or a 220 ohm resistor in series.
(although I am not an expert by any means)
TS
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Thats what i'm going to try
Yes its the energy that the secondary is not coupling ..
Thanks ts
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New tests done today,
Much increased gas productio n, not able to measure it but is clearly visible better than when pulsing from the variac...
wish my motor was 2 hp instead of 1/3HP i could push up to the limit with the pulses where the alternato r stops the motor down.
The alternator is not modified except it is not regulated so it put out more than 30 v controlled from zero from the variac...
The secondary in the transform er heats up just a little and the diodes don't heats up to fell, 1200v 30A rated 2 in series...
I solved that problem by adding a 10kohm resistor in parallel with the primary, and between drain and source there is a snubber 68nf capacitor with resistors in series, i believe something like 20 ohms maybe 70, i don't remember, this last are heating up, a lot meaning that the discharge pulse is charging the capacitor and not the resistor in parallel with the primary, however the igbt doesn't heat almost nothing, its rated 96 ampers 600v igbt I burned 5 yesterday .... it costs me around 5 euro each
I'm going to find a balance between the dissipated energy in this resistor and the one at the snubber...the higher the frequency the higher is the dissipation... I thought was possible to run totally unprotected hahahahah not a good idea!!! The thing is to accomplish something you need to expend something to keep the things working as they intend to.
Now i need to see if the diode is actually switching and how the things are going, change the core, waters, change the tubes, adding coils in series.. ground... etc... but i would like to determine a parameter for compariso n between results.. .
The DC between the cell is the same as the ac reading... what doest it mean?
If i could i make a video to show it, but i lost my cell phone and it was my only camera..
This is a setup like what stanley meyer had to start with!
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I found that is good to have a multimeter between drain and source of the transistor, another across the diode, another across the cell, another across the secondary and one across the chokes ...
An oscilloscope is essential too...
I urgently need one...
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http://www.opamp-electronics.com/tutorials/static_electricity_1_01_01.htm or "single fluid theory"
Electrons and Ben Franklin
Ben Franklin's "single fluid theory" showed that
a given body possessing a normal amount of
electric fluid was called neutral. During the
process of charging, the fluid was transferred
from one body to the other; the body with the
deficiency being charged minus and the body
with the excess charged plus . But no fluid is
lost. Ben's "single fluid theory" led to the
electron theory in 1900: electrons move about
conductors much as a fluid might move.
CURRENT ELECTRICITY IS THE OPPOSITE OF STATIC ELECTRICITY? Wrong.
"Static Electricity" appears whenever the negative charges within matter are separated from the positive charges. "Current" appears whenever the negative charges within matter are made to flow through the positive charges (or when positive flows through negative.) "Static" and "Current" are two separate kinds of events, they are not opposites.
"Static" is a separation; it is a stretching-apart, and it really has little to do with anything remaining static or stationary.
"Current" is a flowing motion. It has little to do with the separation of opposite charges.
"Static electricity" was misnamed, and it really should be called "charge separation" or maybe "stretched" or "pressurized" electricity. Since stretch is not the opposite of flow, Static is not the opposite of Current. And athough electric current really exists and electric charge really exists, there is no such material as either "current electricity" or "static electricity." See http://amasci.com/miscon/curstat2.html on this topic.
Magnetic Field Coupling (71) of Figure (7-9) entering into and passing through Secondary Coil-winding (52) of Figure (7-8) causes and produces copper ions (643a xxx 643n) (Positive Charged atoms 542a xxx 542n having missing electrons) when moving external electromagnetic field strength (71a xxx 7In) is sufficient enough to dislodge electromagnetically charged electrons (64Ia xxx 64In) from copper atoms making up copper wire material (52). Collectively, the resultant positive electrical charged copper ions (642a xxx 642n) added together produces Positive Voltage Potential (629) being electrically applied to choke-coil (56); whereas, the "Liberated" negative electrical charged electrons (64Ia xxx 64In) added together provides Negative Voltage Potential (631) to the opposite end of Secondary Wire (52) being electrically connected to choke coil (62). Once Secondary Coil-winding (52) is de-energized by the removal (collapsing magnetic field during pulse off-time T2 of external Magnetic Field (71), the dislodged electrons (641a xx 641n) return to positive charged copper ions (642a xx 642n) ... terminating and switching off opposite voltage potential (629 - 631) when positive electrical state of the copper atoms changes back to net electrical charge of zero. Sustaining and maintaining the resultant induced Voltage Potential (Vo - Vn) without "Electron Discharged" (inhibiting electron flow) through Choke Coil (62) while, at the same time, inhibiting (preventing) any additional or other electrons from entering into Secondary copper wire-zone (52) by way of Choke Coil (56) is herein called "Electron Bounce Phenomenon" (EbP), as illustrated in (700) of Figure (7-9).
Note 1) The Electron Inhibiting Effect (631) of Figure (7-6) to cause "Electron Clustering" (Grouping/collecting negative charged particles at a given point) (700) of Figure (7-9) to produce ''Negative Voltage Potential" ( B- ) at one side of Water Gap (Cp) of Figure (7-8) is accomplished by low electrical power input (Tab 38) when Choke-Coil (62) of Figure (7-1) magnetic field (FL2) (690) of Figure (7-8) during pulse on-time (49) impede "Electron-Flow" since electron mass is composed of electromagnetic matter which interacts with magnetic field strength (FL2). Capacitance Charging Effect (628) prevents amp influxing away from Water Gap (Cp) in a similar manner ... producing "Electrical Stress" (SS' - RR') (B+/B-) across Water Gap (Cp) since both Choke-Coils (56/62) conducts voltage potential (Negative or Positive) during pulsing operations.
Regards
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Webmug,
Is that a question like?
If you wrote this because of the differences i pointed between electric fields from separation of charges or from electromagnetic induction i would say well they are different yes, and as they are from different sources they got some different properties.
The epsilon 0 and charge of an electron are determined using electromagnetic systems where the put a certain current to flow in a coil creating a magnetic field and than they deflect an electron bean in an electric field... This 1 amper of current than 1 coulomb if is separated by a distance of 1 meter will develop 9,000,000 tons of force.
Although i still think both are separations of charge, the induction are only making the charges free to move to move in the metal, so current flow as long as there is magnetic force and the circuit is close.
In static condition the charges are separated, and no extra source of charges or difference of potential exists, thus it if the charges get discharged there is no charge left.
In my point of view meyer used electrodynamics to create the charge densities observed in static systems...
And he did this in such way that the charges are separated but no longer can flow since there is zero potential difference on the circuit during pulse off and since current is prohibited.
"Sustaining and maintaining the resultant induced Voltage Potential (Vo - Vn) without "Electron Discharged" (inhibiting electron flow) through Choke Coil (62) while, at the same time, inhibiting (preventing) any additional or other electrons from entering into Secondary copper wire-zone (52) by way of Choke Coil (56) is herein called "Electron Bounce Phenomenon" (EbP), as illustrated in (700) of Figure (7-9)."
''Negative Voltage Potential" ( B- ) at one side of Water Gap (Cp) of Figure (7-8) is accomplished by low electrical power input (Tab 38) when Choke-Coil (62) of Figure (7-1) magnetic field (FL2) (690) of Figure (7-8) during pulse on-time (49) impede "Electron-Flow"
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Webmug,
Is that a question like?
If you wrote this because of the differences i pointed between electric fields from separation of charges or from electromagnetic induction i would say well they are different yes, and as they are from different sources they got some different properties.
The epsilon 0 and charge of an electron are determined using electromagnetic systems where the put a certain current to flow in a coil creating a magnetic field and than they deflect an electron bean in an electric field... This 1 amper of current than 1 coulomb if is separated by a distance of 1 meter will develop 9,000,000 tons of force.
Although i still think both are separations of charge, the induction are only making the charges free to move to move in the metal, so current flow as long as there is magnetic force and the circuit is close.
In static condition the charges are separated, and no extra source of charges or difference of potential exists, thus it if the charges get discharged there is no charge left.
In my point of view meyer used electrodynamics to create the charge densities observed in static systems...
And he did this in such way that the charges are separated but no longer can flow since there is zero potential difference on the circuit during pulse off and since current is prohibited.
"Sustaining and maintaining the resultant induced Voltage Potential (Vo - Vn) without "Electron Discharged" (inhibiting electron flow) through Choke Coil (62) while, at the same time, inhibiting (preventing) any additional or other electrons from entering into Secondary copper wire-zone (52) by way of Choke Coil (56) is herein called "Electron Bounce Phenomenon" (EbP), as illustrated in (700) of Figure (7-9)."
''Negative Voltage Potential" ( B- ) at one side of Water Gap (Cp) of Figure (7-8) is accomplished by low electrical power input (Tab 38) when Choke-Coil (62) of Figure (7-1) magnetic field (FL2) (690) of Figure (7-8) during pulse on-time (49) impede "Electron-Flow"
Seb,
Got some scope shots:
First the open circuit measured;
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11435)
positive choke B+ connected to WFC plate, B- open;
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11437)
negative choke B- connected to WFC plate, B+ open;
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11439)
chokes connected to both B+ and B- connected to WFC;
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11441)
PULSE on the same frequency and GATE duty cycle and period are fixed except when the WFC is connected frequency is lower.
Regards
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I finished the vic and it burned at first run actually it fired a big flame really really strange, because it seems the discharge didn't occurred between coils but only between one side of the coil and the core.. strange because it only touched the core in one place and it penetrated the insulation!!!
This means thats lot of pressure there!!! sure it can do something to the water... The problem is... it should be placed in oil maybe...
I will try to find if it were destructed somewhere else inside and reduce the number or choke turns a little...
What i think that happened is that the electrons wanted to flow to somewhere and the diode was blocking them so they fired out the choke... to somewhere conducting, the core...
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Hello check this out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NczhXYkK0BI&feature=player_embedded#!
This guy constructed the vic exactly according to my theory... "i don't know" if he read it... well who knows... he didn't credited it...
Anyway he got exactly same nice waves i got when i could test my resonant vic in the past at the university using the oscilloscope... the time i was blowing many mosfests... and some gas was generated with highly pure water...
As i didn't had an oscilloscope at home the only thing indicating to me the resonance was the current and voltages...
but at that time the theory wasn't correct... although resonance was correct...
knowledge is like a wave... at the beach you don't see what creates it...
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UPDATED POST: Here we go! « Last Edit: Today at 17:32:53 by webmug »
I got some new insight what the EbP (Electron Bounce Phenomenon) is and started to fiddle with the CYCLE, PERIOD and PULSE FREQUENCY dials on my waveform generator.
I noticed that the EbP is already shown in the patents from Stan. It only doesn't read in theory as when you see it in real experimentation.
Look at the Figure 7-9 (700) from the Birth of New Technology document.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11376)
We see electrons dislodged starting to from positive voltage potential at the top and we have electron clustering forming negative potential at the bottom. This is the secondary coil.
This has no meaning when we tune in with a PULSE FREQUENCY on resonance. We only see AC swing.
The phenomenon happens when we start the GATE (CYCLE). The PULSE FREQUENCY is now off resonance when you GATE the PULSE.
The PERIOD is pausing the CYCLES (NUMBER OF PULSES) going into the coils and creating a bouncing magnetic field. This what Stan said in the document creating the EbP!
Now the trick is to tune into the maximum charging of the chokes and let it collapse in sync!
Connections
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11387)
This is the signal I got before the diode (yellow trace) and the PULSE CYCLES.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11382)
The PLL has to maintain the PULSE frequency and here you can see the pickup signal. The PERIOD is about 100mSec because the time gap between wave is too wide, the PLL can't lock-on but if the PERIOD is 3mSec we have a continuous wave to lock-on!
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11385)
In my scope shot newfile15 you see the positive choke forming unipolar pulses. GND is connected between secondary negative and negative choke. Now this is just to show what EbP is!!! The negative choke is not tuned, you see the voltage is not on resonant frequency as the positive choke. This is because of the GND connection, negative choke can not swing!!!
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11378)
When you lose the gnd connection between secondary negative and negative choke you see newfile20 the same phenomenon but there are still electrons moving. To have UNIPOLAR pulses to form there must be 99% electron inhibiting. Meaning above zero for positive pulse wave and below zero negative pulses.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11380)(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11408)
Now I did this test with choke L1 3100 turns and L2 also 3100 turns. Secondary has 2700 turns and primary 521.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11384 (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11384)
Coils Coefficients
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2474.msg23195.html#msg23195 (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2474.msg23195.html#msg23195)
I think this is the starting point for the Resonance VIC transformer and we can now see the workings what happens when electron movement is inhibited. This is far from complete! It needs more tuning of the coils to overcome the WFC...
What comes to mind is that the chokes used here are too big for the secondary to fully charged to get 99% electron inhibiting, what Seb explains.
What now is needed are more experimenters duplicating this phenomenon!
Cheers!!!!
Br,
Webmug
Above is a "Damped Oscillator".
Index
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/315/Waves/node8.html
Transient Oscillator Response
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/315/Waves/node14.html
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11998)
Question:
What will happen when we force a "Critically Damped Oscillator" near resonance?
(http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/images/oscda12.gif)
Is this the PFN part?
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1457.msg23957.html#msg23957
Br,
Webmug
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Looks good!
I am still looking for the theory behind all this.
Is this just an amp restricting thing?
Steve
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So I see in the video posted at the top of the page, that someone was able to replicate the same signal that I have gotten with my replication of Stan's VIC Circuit and transformer....Very Nice!!!
The photo I have attached was take on 8/18/2008 using my prototype VIC ;)
-Tony Woodside
http://www.GlobalKast.com (http://www.GlobalKast.com)
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Tony, What method did you use to find the capacitance of your cell or cells?
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,webmug,what was the voltage over the wfc before you hit resonance?
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,webmug,what was the voltage over the wfc before you hit resonance?
The scope-shots are at the chokes output B+ and B-.
One exciter plate was connected to choke B+ and you see frequency shifting and voltage amplitude dropping.
This also was seen at B-.
Voltage over wfc was AC at resonance and about 60V. No production!!!
Regards
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Thanks webmug,thats the most frustrating thing,you painstakingly wind 10000turns and in the end you get 10v across the cell...Good luck with your experiments!
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Thanks webmug,thats the most frustrating thing,you painstakingly wind 10000turns and in the end you get 10v across the cell...Good luck with your experiments!
How do you measure across the cell without introducing a new resistance path? Additionally, because of a resistance path on the VIC at the cell, you lose your voltage. Ever try measuring the voltage on a battery powered bug zapper? Even though it uses high voltage to zap, if you put your probes on it it doesn't reach it's peak voltage due to leakage across the probes. Best you get is a few volts.
TS
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Hello check this out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NczhXYkK0BI&feature=player_embedded#!
I have similar wave forms. But this is an awesome tutorial on how to get there. Read his comments below the video.
TS
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read it all,so it all..nothing works,i damaged my vic a while back so i only have scrap wire ,lawton pwm,9xb,and coils,non of my experiments show high volts acros wfc,i put various resistors on one side of the wfc,on both sides,isolated the cathode,put distiled water,vary the capacitance of the cell,NOTHING WORKED,i dont know what else to do.Have anyone had any succes with JL Naudin's setup?i tried his setup and again,the frickin voltage drop.How an earth do you get the volts up?
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You don't have to connect a probe direct to the wfc. If you hold it near the wfc you also see the same waveform!
Even if you touch the wire leads tot the wfc with your finger, the voltage drops.
Yes, it is not easy! 8)
In my experiments I always thought I charged the scope capacitance when I tune it to resonance. But this is not the case.
Regards
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@adys15
What about the components? When you tried different setups. What type and perm. core are you using for the resonance VIC?
I noticed the choke voltage amplitudes can have an offset if you use proper tuning. But I think my perm is not high enough to have electron clustering etc. Meaning the offset is going UNIPOLAR. Also the PFN theory can be an idea. Not sure, need more testing... ;)
Regards
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Electron Bounce Phenomenon EbP and Electron clustering effect
but not fully UNIPOLAR
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11380)
Regards
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Hello check this out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NczhXYkK0BI&feature=player_embedded#!
I have similar wave forms. But this is an awesome tutorial on how to get there. Read his comments below the video.
TS
Nice video but this is not what Meyer did! In this video there are NO UNIPOLAR PULSES from the chokes!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NczhXYkK0BI&feature=player_embedded#t=351s
It is still AC!!! So WFC can never charge, because it swings from positive to negative etc. Electrons are moving!!!
Regards
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I dont have inductance/cap meters,my core was a big flyback U core.I think in the end the amps must flow a little to sustain the voltage...
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I dont have inductance/cap meters,my core was a big flyback U core.I think in the end the amps must flow a little to sustain the voltage...
Question:
So you did not make use of Meyer VIC specifications... why you think it's gonna work with other specs if you not build a exact replica first?
I remember the same happened with Bedini SG circuit, it did not work with other components but the one he specified.
With Stan it's more complicated, he never disclosed all the components so what is know we replicate. Then if it works we can use other components too.
Regards
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i had the vic bobins built exactly to specs,only the core was from a flyback,i cannot get the flat one.You say we must follow specs but how Jon Abel,Naudin,Alex petty ,managed to replicate the efect with simple things on a small scale.Untill i can get the efects on a smaller scale,its no use spending money on printed bobins,special perm.flat core etc...I already spend a lot without any result.
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i had the vic bobins built exactly to specs,only the core was from a flyback,i cannot get the flat one.You say we must follow specs but how Jon Abel,Naudin,Alex petty ,managed to replicate the efect with simple things on a small scale.Untill i can get the efects on a smaller scale,its no use spending money on printed bobins,special perm.flat core etc...I already spend a lot without any result.
I know the feeling 8)
But I have never seen proper documentation what they build. That's always the common problem!
If they managed the effect it would not do anything, if it did there are more successful replications around.
So they are NOT generating lots of gas ala Meyer!!! (low amps)
Regards
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Their experiments were proof of cocept the gas is not the point,the point is that if you/I can get the efect on a small scale,afterwards you can build a very large vic transf.to acomplish the gas needs.
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Their experiments were proof of cocept the gas is not the point,the point is that if you/I can get the efect on a small scale,afterwards you can build a very large vic transf.to acomplish the gas needs.
Gas generation is generated in the process if you have the effect! Otherwise it ain't the effect.
If this was proof of concept and it has the effect, I would document this important setup in detail, asap!!!
Have you contacted them for proper information, would they give it as open-source info?
Russ replicated Abel too, but he didn't seem to care much... why is this? He used a Full bridge rectifier.
Regards
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i talked to Jon on youtube coments he said that he had wound all coils from end to end,just 1layer per coil.It had a ferite rod(8'' long) with a bifiliar coil first wound(22awg),on top of the bif.,a primary(24awg),and on top of the primary a secoundary(30awg).The pulsing was done with a dave lawton crkt,the 2 freq were combined by a 4093 nand gates,then the signal fed a .800 Volt 9 amp 160 watt STP10NK80Z ,pulsed with 30v.The rest is like jl naudin setup.I made the setup on a shorter rod but with no luck,what i got was 2v across the cell and inverted signal exactly like the input one.Jon said it took him 20 days to find the signal,i think that took him so long because the lawton crkt is crap and when you turn one of the pots you spoil everything,both freq and duty.That is all i gathered from all his posts,hope it helps somebody.Cheers!
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You don't have to connect a probe direct to the wfc. If you hold it near the wfc you also see the same waveform!
Even if you touch the wire leads tot the wfc with your finger, the voltage drops.
Yes, it is not easy! 8)
In my experiments I always thought I charged the scope capacitance when I tune it to resonance. But this is not the case.
Regards
Hello Webmug
Where You connect the ground of the probe oscope , when You hold it near wfc? Or You dont connect anywhere ground of the probe?
Thank for ansver . Good luck.
andy
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You don't have to connect a probe direct to the wfc. If you hold it near the wfc you also see the same waveform!
Even if you touch the wire leads tot the wfc with your finger, the voltage drops.
Yes, it is not easy! 8)
In my experiments I always thought I charged the scope capacitance when I tune it to resonance. But this is not the case.
Regards
Hello Webmug
Where You connect the ground of the probe oscope , when You hold it near wfc? Or You dont connect anywhere ground of the probe?
Thank for ansver . Good luck.
andy
That's an interesting question, where to connect the ground of a scope probe.
Well, you want to measure static fields so ground is not needed. If you ground it you create current flow.
What's your opinion?
Regards,
Webmug
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Hello check this out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NczhXYkK0BI&feature=player_embedded#!
I have similar wave forms. But this is an awesome tutorial on how to get there. Read his comments below the video.
TS
Nice video but this is not what Meyer did! In this video there are NO UNIPOLAR PULSES from the chokes!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NczhXYkK0BI&feature=player_embedded#t=351s
It is still AC!!! So WFC can never charge, because it swings from positive to negative etc. Electrons are moving!!!
Regards
I have a problem with your statements. It can only be AC as that is the only kind of flow you can have between a cap and a coil. Not only that, but the potential of the wave is only relative to the potential against it. While I agree that we are looking for a better opposing synchronous wave, it still has to be AC. Due to the nature of the circuit. Nothing can change that.
My opinion anyway.
TS
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You don't have to connect a probe direct to the wfc. If you hold it near the wfc you also see the same waveform!
Even if you touch the wire leads tot the wfc with your finger, the voltage drops.
Yes, it is not easy! 8)
In my experiments I always thought I charged the scope capacitance when I tune it to resonance. But this is not the case.
Regards
Hello Webmug
Where You connect the ground of the probe oscope , when You hold it near wfc? Or You dont connect anywhere ground of the probe?
Thank for ansver . Good luck.
andy
That's an interesting question, where to connect the ground of a scope probe.
Well, you want to measure static fields so ground is not needed. If you ground it you create current flow.
What's your opinion?
Regards,
Webmug
Webmug
I don't get ansver for my question. When You got the waveform You posted you hold scope probe near wfc with ground of probe not connected? Right? My english is not good.
thank
andy
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I can vouch for this method. It works or me. Although I still like connecting the terminal physically to ensure it is authentic signal.
TS
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I can vouch for this method. It works or me. Although I still like connecting the terminal physically to ensure it is authentic signal.
TS
Correct, I test using this method too.
If you connect the scope probes your disturb the resonance by introducing capacitance of the scope probes to the transformer!
@andy
So we answered your question :)
Regards
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The vic works...
It is indeed a voltage multiplier and frequency doubler circuit.
It is very unique as i didn't came across something related to it in literature yet.
The idea is to apply short pulses of high intensity voltage at high repetition rate to induce resonance in the molecules...
The pulsing core receives only unipolar magnetic fields from the coils during pulsing operations.
At the primary a second pulse appear of greater voltage than source so an isolating diode from dc source to prevent bi-directional flow thru switching components...
I won't share more than this because theres not more than this to share. Its all in the techbrief...
if i succeed making gas with it maybe i can tell you something more...
thought, now is all about reaching the voltage level required
the polarities i indicated are correct but theres missing links in the vic... components that stan took off from it but described fair clearly in the techbrief...
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You mean NMR .. http://www.imaios.com/en/e-Courses/e-MRI/NMR/Precession-and-Larmor-frequency
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Great work,Sebosfato.
hopefully, you share your knowledge to us.
thanks
geenee
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You welcome, hope i can help more before the end of the world. ;D
Actually is not precession, i meant energy level transitions such that rearrange electrons within the molecule.
I encourage you to keep trying, and learning, the diagrams stan provided is correct but incomplete and present polarities wrong. In the first thread here i describe how they should be wired correctly. AGAIN, its incomplete. For a circuit to work it must be closed always. There are different ways to do so...
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For a circuit to work it must be closed always.
I think you are wrong it's not possible to get excess energy from closed systems..lorentz law applies there..
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The excess energy comes from water not from the circuit itself, its only designed to apply high voltage ever increasing intensity to the voltage zones while restricting the amps.
The point is how to release this energy ok.
Lorentz is our friend if wasn't for him we would not be able to apply those high intensity high repetition field to the water.
what you mean contrary to einstein... NMR is of really low energy so i think is not directly related... Anyway for that a coil around the cell pulsed could induce some dance...
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Can you explain how to get excess energy from water?
-I was referring to the photoelectric effect .
Lorentz law has it's drawbacks..
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The energy must comes from the fact that you dissociate water using volts not amps, its a chain reaction.
The fact is that this way of dissociation in theory does not require the same amount of energy that electrolysis requires.
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There are many ways to dissociate water non-electrolytically but they don't give excess energy. Are you referring to electron avalanche/ionic collision? I don't know if it's possible to get energy directly from water except if you have discovered cold fusion.. can you give any insights on how this works?
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Is just my theory here men, but i guess its all about the intensity of the field we can apply so not for how long. The faster the less time ions would take to discharge the zones (water capacitor ability to restrict amps)... But the stronger the pulse the gas output should increase exponentially.
It wouldn't be a surprise to me that if its really close related to the tech necessary for achieving cold fusion, for real.
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If let's say contraty to photoelectric effect , NMR energy can accumulate then you can create cold fusion. So yes this is very much towards cold fusion..
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Why would be contrary to photoelectric?
I really like this discussion but i would ask you to create a thread to discuss it so we can focus on the vic here ok.
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Yes ok the VIC is more important.. have you constructed it the way you're saying?
He doesn't include that two or more photon's energy can be added in his formula, the photoelectric effect expands for electromagnetic energy in general.
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well two photon absorption is already proved concept from what i read..
Geon are you graduated in science? I'm going now to the third year physics bachelor course usp. i don't know how to say this in english 8)
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You welcome, hope i can help more before the end of the world. ;D
Actually is not precession, i meant energy level transitions such that rearrange electrons within the molecule.
I encourage you to keep trying, and learning, the diagrams stan provided is correct but incomplete and present polarities wrong. In the first thread here i describe how they should be wired correctly. AGAIN, its incomplete. For a circuit to work it must be closed always. There are different ways to do so...
Hi Seb, what do you think is missing in stans diagrams and connections? Please explain with diagrams if neccessary. share your ideas so other people can experiment.
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Hydrogenmask believe me and believe more than in me believe in meyer, i told you already too much.
You need to know kirchhoff laws to understand better how it can work, and so as many other things that are not deducible.
I took a long time of simulating it into my mind with help of paper to get somewhere.
My diagrams and circuit for it are already around here in the forum... thru my last posts 200 or so...
The missing links comes out when you study the vic correctly and read the tech brief with attention.
could be simply 1 or two diodes? resistors...
I'm just finishing my secondary coil... i used the pll circuit connected to my dc motor to control its speed work like a charm my best winding machine ever...
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The excess energy comes from water not from the circuit itself, its only designed to apply high voltage ever increasing intensity to the voltage zones while restricting the amps.
The point is how to release this energy ok.
Lorentz is our friend if wasn't for him we would not be able to apply those high intensity high repetition field to the water.
what you mean contrary to einstein... NMR is of really low energy so i think is not directly related... Anyway for that a coil around the cell pulsed could induce some dance...
Till sofar, i trully hate Lenz..... ;D
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well two photon absorption is already proved concept from what i read..
Geon are you graduated in science? I'm going now to the third year physics bachelor course usp. i don't know how to say this in english 8)
Fabio, time goes so quick! Yr third year already. Well done! I still remember you playing gitar in Italy... ;)
Steve
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Yes man, its being 6,5 years since i first knew about stan, and now 3 years here at the forum...such wonderful time. The italian people in the subway supplied big part of the money i expended in this research and learning when i use to play the guitar and sing there =), during this time some donated some supported some helped... i'm thankful to this...
Lot of work was done, lots of choices were done, many things left behind, now lets hope theres still something to come.
I'm happy that at least after so long now all makes sense, doesn't it?
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I would suggest to those who don't understand my clues or also to those who understand please don't try it if you don't know what you are doing. this is extremely dangerous circuit ideas!!!!
Please don't kill yourself like i almost did so many times. please don't try it unless you know where you are touching what are you doing....
Is Too dangerous
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I would suggest to those who don't understand my clues or also to those who understand please don't try it if you don't know what you are doing. this is extremely dangerous circuit ideas!!!!
Please don't kill yourself like i almost did so many times. please don't try it unless you know where you are touching what are you doing....
Is Too dangerous
amen.
Be really carefull! High voltage and high current are leathal!
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You welcome, hope i can help more before the end of the world. ;D
Actually is not precession, i meant energy level transitions such that rearrange electrons within the molecule.
I encourage you to keep trying, and learning, the diagrams stan provided is correct but incomplete and present polarities wrong. In the first thread here i describe how they should be wired correctly. AGAIN, its incomplete. For a circuit to work it must be closed always. There are different ways to do so...
about incomplete,what parts are missing? i think about circuit,maybe Timeshell circuit is correct,from secondary side = switch over diode.AC resonant?what do you think Sebosfato?
thanks
geenee
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This circuit is non sense think about.
Meyer said the thing should double the frequency. I think no special switch other than the diodes are needed.
Start from Stanley's diagram and examine the potentials... as function of time (pulses applied)...
Than think what he says and what is missing for that to happen...
Meyer was an electrical engineer he clearly used science to create the vic you can take my word for that!
Not a piece of pseudoscience!
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I'm afraid of testing ahahahahaaha
I'm all alone here if something goes bad i can die. I don't even have a defibrillating system...
I'm tired of getting high frequency discharges thru my body, painful killer sensations, don't play at home kids.
Please get away High Voltage, High Current, High Danger!
NEVER USE BARE HAND, NEVER USE YOUR HANDS, AWAYS MAINTAIN BOTH HANDS INSIDE YOUR POCKET, NEVER DO HIGH VOLTAGE EXPERIMENTS WITH BAREFOOT, NEVER WITHOUT PROTECTION GLASSES, IF SOMETHING GOES REALLY BAD USE ONLY ONE HAND!
SOMETHING CAN FLY APART EXPLODE OR CAUSE SERIUS INJURY TO YOU, SO DON'T DO IT. (CAPACITORS, DIODES, RESISTORS, COIS, GAS, SWITCHES...)
ONLY PROFESSIONALS SHOULD WORK WITH IT WITH APPROPRIATED EXTREME CARE, PROTECTION AND PROPER EQUIPMENT.
I WON'T TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT YOU READ IN MY POSTS NOR IF I SEEM TO INCENTIVE NON TRAINED PEOPLE TO TRY IDEAS OR WHATEVER PROCESS OR CIRCUIT WHATSOEVER.
I ASSUME YOU ARE RESPOSIBLE AND NOT UNDERAGE IF INTERSTED IN THIS SUBJECT.
SO PLEASE DON'T RISK YOUR SELF WE ARE ALREADY DOING THAT!
HELP IF YOU CAN, BUT DON'T KILL YOURSELF TRYING
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you use your hand to touch circuit or wfc? why are you fear?and what are you fear?all we know a risk when play with electronic.you should have safety switch to stop circuit.
thanks
geenee
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I've heard that you should use your right hand and keep your left hand close to your body so that your heart won't die if you are hit from high voltage.. plus dc high voltage can kill permanently and instantly while if hit from ac medics may revive you, that's about it.. have fun and don't kill yourself in the process! I remember being hit by ac when I was younger, I couldn't move for some seconds.. :)
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Yes the goal is to always keep the hands in the pockets =)
I took many discharges at different frequencies... really ... some you fly, some you contract, some turn you off, but all had something in common, pain and risk of death.
That story about high frequencies are safe is not really true. We are a capacitor after all. and not good conductors... so the current indeed runs inside you easily.. .
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Well there are missing links in the vic, ok
but meyer told us he used up to and beyond 20kv to convert water to gas...
Why he needed a 40 amps diode?
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If you refering to wfc vic,he used 360v,the high voltage developed within the cell by stepcharging,and about the diode i think he needed a fast swiching one who was rated for 40amps
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;D right but why you need a 40 amps rated diode?
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Well there are missing links in the vic, ok
but meyer told us he used up to and beyond 20kv to convert water to gas...
Why he needed a 40 amps diode?
Yes, 20kV for Injector VIC!!!
Regards
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You welcome, hope i can help more before the end of the world. ;D
Actually is not precession, i meant energy level transitions such that rearrange electrons within the molecule.
I encourage you to keep trying, and learning, the diagrams stan provided is correct but incomplete and present polarities wrong. In the first thread here i describe how they should be wired correctly. AGAIN, its incomplete. For a circuit to work it must be closed always. There are different ways to do so...
about incomplete,what parts are missing? i think about circuit,maybe Timeshell circuit is correct,from secondary side = switch over diode.AC resonant?what do you think Sebosfato?
thanks
geenee
geenee, this circuit was meant to be a proof of connect, not actual implementation. It was a quick and dirty way to demonstrate the gate pulse concept working to overcharge a capacitor.
TS
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I'm homeless, labless, macbookproless. mobileless, sunglassesless, emailless, and moneyless now!
Merry christmas to all and happy new year.
knowless what to do
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Merry christmas to you and everybody here on the forum!
Steve
With his macbook pro, btw. Sorry. I am married to it.... ;D
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Merry christmas. ;D
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I'm homeless, labless, macbookproless. mobileless, sunglassesless, emailless, and moneyless now!
Merry christmas to all and happy new year.
knowless what to do
gassless, VICless, WFCless, snowless... 8) Seb, through us a present from Santa!
@All,
Merry Christmas to all and happy 2013!!!
Regards
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Merry christmas to you and everybody here on the forum!
Steve
With his macbook pro, btw. Sorry. I am married to it.... ;D
iPad too!!! ;D
Regards
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Maybe you should try to accelerate charges 0.7*c for free gas from santa. Actually you can control the charge ratio instead.
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Merry christmas to all.Santa will send 500LPM to all!!!
geenee
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Hello guys some days without exel sheets, and i´m now working with paper and pen and thoughts.. the right path for me is being understand what is needed and to work on the values to get it to work. Stan was really fucking clear in his patents and documents he left clues that were in my opinion really generous given the simpicity of the idea he wouldn´t talk much about it.. but left some parameters needed to understand what he did.
I wish you get what you want for christmas, happily the world didn´t ended so i will be able to see this stuff running soon thats all i ever wanted.
i´m going to sitout for a while, don´t worry i´ll be working into this 101%of the time;
when i can i tell you that it works hopefully soon =) i will find some internet to connect
Best Regards
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Seb,
You will get unipolar pulses out of any simple 60hz transformer used as a vic by putting a choke coil after the diode and before the positive tube. Frequencies from low to high do this. the oscope is read from the positive tube, think of a vic with a single stand alone positive choke...
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