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I believe stan managed the time constant around the circuit to develop electrical stress of short duration and high intensity to do exactly what he said break the molecule apart.
The mystery of the frequency doubling in the vic coil will be revealed now:
Its well known to all that an inductor when connected to a source develops an exactly opposite polarity of that of the source at the instant it is contacted to the source. This mean that at this instant zero current flow and the voltage is maximum across the inductor. This voltage is a consequence of and infinitely small amount of current changing infinitely abruptly in time. As time goes this rate of change becomes lower and so a current start to raise according to differential of voltage between inductor and source. The time constant of the LR circuit is the time it takes for this voltage to change to 0 and current goes to maximum.
Remember now that stan said that he only used potential, no "current" but to develop potential some current may however flow.
The time constant of a LR circuit is =L/R
Stan mentioned the resistive values of the coils because he wanted to highlight this.
Coming back to the time varying current at the inductor, when it reaches the max current its induced back emf is 0 so its fully charged with magnetism. If the source is disconnected this field will collapse.
Now what is field collapse?
When you apply a dc voltage to a coil a current start to flow varying with time up to a point where its maximum, during this increase in magnetic field you can imagine at first the magnetic field lines starting in the middle of the coil than starting to get bigger and bigger...
The field collapses is when you get the magnetic field decreased all in once.
I explained first that an inductor creates an opposite voltage as it is connected to a dc source and this decay with time following the time constant allowing current to start to flow. Did you noticed that as the magnetic field increase this voltage decrease with time?
Ok
Now if the coil is disconnected to the source having a resistor across it, the magnetic field should reduce in time and it now must create voltage of reversed polarity however theory says that the magnetic polarity won't flip.
For those who might didn't grasp it.
The frequency doubles, in stan design because when the pulse is on, the secondary sends a pulse to the thru coils, and when the pulse is off, the field collapses and the chokes apply another pulse to the cell of the same polarity.
The cell is a discontinuity capacitance.
The amp restriction is evident now.
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So, if the collaps time of the coil is the same as the pulse who charged it, you will have a double puls.
That part is clear to me.
What is the gain in this?
It takes a charge to charg up the coil...
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Hello Steve,
I was trying to explain that when a dc source is connected to a coil the field increase in time (current flow increase) and the induced emf decreases in time allowing current to flow. Source voltage and BEMF cancel.
Similarly if the current is now decreased by reducing source voltage in time the induced emf reinforce the source voltage so it sums with BEMF to ensure same current still going. Thats why an inductor is used to take filter DC.
An inductor fight changes in current with a voltage knife.
This word collapse mean abrupt change. If instead of decreasing the current we than collapses the field we create a fast high intensity voltage pulse the knife.
The intensity being high enough will bang the water.
Its a cascading effect and can only be initiated at high power levels this don't mean it must have long duration.
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Hi,
Problem is that the VIC uses AC (from secondary on resonance).
Can you explain this scope shot what I took?
The secondary lead B+ and B- are connected to two scope channels A en B. Look what the voltage is on both channels. A-B is also visible.
The secondary is on SRF (self resonance frequency). Primary was pulsed 50% square wave 12V. They are 180 out of phase????? Scope channels are not inverted.
What happens when you connect a choke at B- and/or B+ tuned on this frequency? Give more voltage right?
Br,
Webmug
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Webmug,
This means that you are measuring in reference to ground and at the moment one side of the secondary is positive the other is negative and vice versa...
Br
sebosfato
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Ok, but I use two identical probes, why are the voltages not equal but opposite?
Probe GND lead are connected, but not to any coils.
Br,
Webmug
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Well thats because each side of the secondary has a different polarity.
If i understood well there is connected b+ to the A channel an b- to B channel and the negative side of the probes to a common ground. Isn't?
You are measuring relative to zero volts... so they will seem 180° apart... because they are, equal and opposite in magnitude...
Br
sebosfato
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Well thats because each side of the secondary has a different polarity.
If i understood well there is connected b+ to the A channel an b- to B channel and the negative side of the probes to a common ground. Isn't?
Br
sebosfato
Yes, correct!
The reason I find this interesting is that Stan mentions "isolated gnd" on the neg side of the secondary coil.
If you connect the gnd (scope probe) the voltage is zero at B-, but the frequency SRF is changed and B+ has approx 500V AC.
The gnd is a electron source and this is what Stans said to prevent electron source and named it "isolated gnd" and the secondary can swing on both sides instead of B+ only.
Br,
Webmug
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Now i need to explain how a transformer work
In a transformer the backemf of the primary that restricts the current is the same emf in the secondary, and so as a load is connected to the secondary, the current flow generates an electro magnetic field that kills the primary back emf making a current flow in to the load and primary.
emf is electromotive force, i coud call it voltage , or talk about effective voltage across the inductor being the applied subtracted off the Back voltage to the source or back electromotive force.
The amp restriction is this extreme abruptness where electrical stress is propagated while no current is flowing.
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I think he talked about the isolated ground to highlight the use of high potentials relative to ground as to confirm his ability to apply high electrical stress on the discontinuity consisting of the cell.
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Now i need to explain how a transformer work
In a transformer the backemf of the primary that restricts the current is the same emf in the secondary, and so as a load is connected to the secondary, the current flow generates an electro magnetic field that kills the primary back emf making a current flow in to the load and primary.
emf is electromotive force, i coud call it voltage , or talk about effective voltage across the inductor being the applied subtracted off the Back voltage to the source or back electromotive force.
The amp restriction is this extreme abruptness where electrical stress is propagated while no current is flowing.
Are we are talking about a Resonant transformer SRF and not an 'standard' type?
Here the primary is pulsed and has a diode and resistor parallel to the coil, so EMF is blocked and dissipated.
Not answered my question: why are the blue and yellow scope traces not opposite but equal in amplitude?
Br,
Webmug
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whatever transformer...
about your question, i didn't understood... or i need more info to answer...
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I think he talked about the isolated ground to highlight the use of high potentials relative to ground as to confirm his ability to apply high electrical stress on the discontinuity consisting of the cell.
If you connect gnd between sec B- and negative choke you have zero volts at the negative choke B- !
Stan said primary coil is isolated from the secondary coil. Only mutual inductance.
Br,
Webmug
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whatever transformer...
about your question, i didn't understood... or i need more info to answer...
Why is the negative choke tuned? ... To adjust the opposite but equal voltages, right?
Br,
Webmug
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I meant the back emf at the primary is only EM coupled to the emf at the secondary... they are all one and same thing. so if you load the emf at the secondary you reduce the bemf at the primary raising the effective voltage raising there to the amp flow...
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I'm posting this info because is the way we can get to understand why it is tuned... =)
Now i'm going to think about the interaction of a choke on the amp restriction mechanism of the transformer...
The question of the day would be why it subtracts from the other instead of summing...
Just forgot to make it clear, stan says it doubles the frequency again because for each cycle there are two increases and two decreases in magnetic field, so double frequency.
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Well the chokes might be there to mitigate the killing of the primary bemf. by positive feeding it back while current is drew from secondary...
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So what are you trying to said here in your opening post?
When 50% pulse is applied to the secondary coil on self resonance your pulse frequency is in phase with secondary frequency.
The ON pulse is when you charge the coil and OFF pulse discharge the coil.
Do you have 180 degrees out of phase from the secondary B- and B+ and have double frequency or also from the chokes...??
Diode prevents shorting the secondary B+ and prevents WFC discharge at the same time.
Also current restricting is done with the magnetic field...so the chokes are choking off the current when they have max reactance Xl?
When the SRF inductor Xc = Xl then you have only R (70 ohm left) this is not much? Part must be Xl or Xc ?
Thanks for the response! ;)
Br,
Webmug
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What I'm trying to say here is:
When a pulse is applied to the primary the secondary coil will made a current flow thru the diode in the chokes, in the choke a contrary voltage is created instantly to restrict the current which decays with time as current increases. The ON pulse is when you charge the coil and OFF pulse discharge the coil and while doing this the voltage at the choke reverses thereto applying another pulse of same polarity to the load.
Diode prevents WFC discharge at that same time that eliminate contrary voltage applied.
What stan mean by restrict amps and allow voltage to make the work in a dead short condition cAN BE TRANSLATED TO
MANIPULATE THE TIME CONSTANT BY RESISTANCE TUNING TO ALLOW THE MAGNETIC FIELD TO COLLAPSES FAST ENOUGH TO DEVELOP HIGH ELECTRICAL STRESS AT THE DISCONTINUITY CAPACITOR ELECTROCHEMICAL CELL.
THIS HIGH STRESS BANGS THE COLLECTED IONS AT ELECTRODES TO RELEASE MOMENTARILY THEIR ELECTRONS AND REFORM AS OTHER MORE USEFUL MOLECULES.
Br,
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If this is so, the chokes are charged in an instant (pulse ON 50%) through the diode and in the (OFF pulse 50%) the choke discharged and create a double pulse yes.
But when does this happen, what are the choke properties when it is charged in one pulse and how does this relate to the negative choke. The negative choke is connected by means of the magnetic field of the core.
You said it yourself, the diode blocks the negative halve of the sinusoid when the collapse is of the choke in the (OFF pulse 50%).
Are the chokes on the same resonance frequency as the secondary coil or on double frequency? If the chokes have the same SRF as the secondary then it is in phase (charge on ON pulse 50% and discharge on OFF pulse 50%) and chokes negative halve sinusoid is blocked by the diode (180 phase shift) to prevent a short with the secondary. But now the questions what is the current restriction part of the chokes (SRF is Xl=Xc and R is the resistance left over)...
NOTE from patent:
Amp leakage is restricted to 1-2 milliamp on resonance, so 2000 to 5000 Voltage potential applied gives E=IZ -> 2000=1 *10^-3 Z -> Z= 2 Mega Ohms or Z = 2.5 Mega Ohms total electrical Impedance at the chokes on typical 5kHz frequency.
Z = R + jX
Can we translate this into a practical setup, what do we have to build first if we want the VIC as a reality what Stan explains in all his patents ?
Br,
Webmug
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right
If the chokes are said to be bifilar they are coupled so there is only one frequency. The tuned coil is there to create a negative voltage zone... It is said to be tuned so maybe a capacitor in parallel would help...
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The 'Tuned' negative choke gives a normal AC voltage swing just like the positive choke except it is lower :P and 180o out of phase. Seen from the WFC it is just pulsating voltage potential and charges the water molecules. This gives the linear step-charging result (on resonance).
When the voltages are opposite but equal at the WFC it restricts always the current then ? ???
Another thing: why are the choke coils close placed on the core on the same side ?
Br,
Webmug
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right
If the chokes are said to be bifilar they are coupled so there is only one frequency. The tuned coil is there to create a negative voltage zone... It is said to be tuned so maybe a capacitor in parallel would help...
I'm only talking about the resonance WFC VIC and not the Injector VIC here so the chokes are separate coils wound on the same core in same direction.
Br,
Webmug
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Hi,
Problem is that the VIC uses AC (from secondary on resonance).
Can you explain this scope shot what I took?
The secondary lead B+ and B- are connected to two scope channels A en B. Look what the voltage is on both channels. A-B is also visible.
The secondary is on SRF (self resonance frequency). Primary was pulsed 50% square wave 12V. They are 180 out of phase????? Scope channels are not inverted.
What happens when you connect a choke at B- and/or B+ tuned on this frequency? Give more voltage right?
Br,
Webmug
Solved: got tiny wire hanging out B-. Now the voltages are equal. Just to said how sensitive the coils are!!!!! ???
Br,
Webmug
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What a hobby we have.... :-)
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What a hobby we have.... :-)
No wonder it took twenty years! ;D
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Agree with you Steve,
I'm thinking that this is the real stuff
Is exactly what Stanley Meyer wrote and talked about.
You charge the coils thru the capacitance and leakage and than it discharge a pulse of same polarity again in the water it doesn't matter what frequency.. but at resonance there will be the best condition since it behaves like a resistor... to gain voltage the discharge or collapse reversal must be fast enough to make it like an open circuit, so the electrical voltage zones are formed... The path must be of high resistance as stated by meyer or this must be take in account.
All this is because the leaking proprieties of water. at resonance it is a dead short... To get higher voltage just increase coils number... Its the only capacitor that gets charged and keeps conducting, interrupting this current is what should be needed.
I believe the vic design is this the secondary reverses the voltage when the pulse switchs off and this reverse bias the diode shutting it off to collapse the field of the all transformer. I think toroidal air core is the best option...
I think is all about sizing up...
air core, should be the best...
I think that a sensor should be added to detect when current stop to change to gate it there...
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Its being 6 years for me...
I think the three coil design is the secondary and the chokes, feed in series, so the secondary act as a primary somehow actually all the coils acts...
The problem is the voltage raise if you simply interupts it..
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I forgot to say i got the idea of thinking about this because i was thinking one reason why the unipolar transformer i imagined woudn't work and i wasn't accounting for the double change in electric fields so it would generate only ac at double frequency...
But now!
Today i learned that a dielectric will only move o split charges in a non uniform electric field.
the electric field inside a charged conductor is zero but a charge inside the a hollow conductor transmits its charge to outside...
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Yes, correct!
The reason I find this interesting is that Stan mentions "isolated gnd" on the neg side of the secondary coil.
If you connect the gnd (scope probe) the voltage is zero at B-, but the frequency SRF is changed and B+ has approx 500V AC.
The gnd is a electron source and this is what Stans said to prevent electron source and named it "isolated gnd" and the secondary can swing on both sides instead of B+ only.
Br,
Webmug
It is only an "isolated ground" in that once the diode is placed in the circuit the current is now rectified and the one side of the secondary must be positive and the other side must be negative, or in other words the "ground" of the VIC circuit.
TS
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Agree with you Steve,
I'm thinking that this is the real stuff
Is exactly what Stanley Meyer wrote and talked about.
You charge the coils thru the capacitance and leakage and than it discharge a pulse of same polarity again in the water it doesn't matter what frequency.. but at resonance there will be the best condition since it behaves like a resistor... to gain voltage the discharge or collapse reversal must be fast enough to make it like an open circuit, so the electrical voltage zones are formed... The path must be of high resistance as stated by meyer or this must be take in account.
All this is because the leaking proprieties of water. at resonance it is a dead short... To get higher voltage just increase coils number... Its the only capacitor that gets charged and keeps conducting, interrupting this current is what should be needed.
I believe the vic design is this the secondary reverses the voltage when the pulse switchs off and this reverse bias the diode shutting it off to collapse the field of the all transformer. I think toroidal air core is the best option...
I think is all about sizing up...
air core, should be the best...
I think that a sensor should be added to detect when current stop to change to gate it there...
This would be why I am focusing on low impedance inductors these days. If you want a high voltage zone across water, you want low impedance. A higher impedance will force the current through the water cell as the water capacitor reactance is not high enough to resist the current. However, with air core and low impedance, the chokes will need to discharge as volts instead of current to the water cell. This should aid in a high voltage charge and th water cell should be able to resist current flow/leakage.
TS
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The thing work as stan described exactly in one of the later videos found.
The gate is what controls the amount of energy going in the water during the amp restriction. As it controls the amp leakage beyond amp restriction mechanism.
Stan could put up to 1MV voltage fields to the water if the components allowed him to do it...
Big bang theory...
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Well, it's great that Stan could do it. It'll be even better when someone else successfully does and tells us how to duplicate it.
TS
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;)
The fact is that is so simple that we could never thought of it if we don't have enough info. Actually i thought of it before maybe up to 3 years ago, but didn't knew why would work...
I took me 6 years to understand it, now knowing why would the inductor collapses its field and send a pulse of the same polarity to the water that became possible to clearly see how it works...
all my experiments results lead me to where i'm now. without them, without real science i couldn't understand it so far...
It works by restricting amps and allowing voltage to take over to do the work... he could't have described it better...
Theres still some things that will only reveal its operation putting imagination to work now... like the EEC
no where i could find that 1v=1amps like stan said,,, for example..
but is true i have no doubt...
The resonance is a very good way probably the best, there are others however... The important is the BANG.
The 8xxa is the all thing.
A Pulse is sent to the water, and when its terminated the choke field is made to collapses generating another pulse of same polarity while restricting the amps for allowing the voltage to go over and do the all work in a dead short condition.
The second pulse is not the frequency doubling pulse stan mentioned, he probably did that to twist our brains. it would only work as a frequency doubling pulse if no sub sequential pulsing is applied.. is more related to the gate...
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The thing work as stan described exactly in one of the later videos found.
The gate is what controls the amount of energy going in the water during the amp restriction. As it controls the amp leakage beyond amp restriction mechanism.
Stan could put up to 1MV voltage fields to the water if the components allowed him to do it...
Big bang theory...
I still have a lot of questions how Stan created Unipolar pulse at the WFC exciters. If you have it done...
First I ask the question what happens in the VIC when you pulse it.
Are the Unipolar pulses created when we GATE the PULSE frequency? This is what Stan tells in the House Vid?
When you pulse the circuit with 50% pulse frequency and stop the signal (GATE) then the pulsing circuit OPENS UP and and UNIPOLAR PULSE is send to the WFC.
If the GATE is tuned into the dielectric properties of the WFC then current is restricted to 1-2 milli Amps.
So UNIPOLAR PULSE is discharging the INDUCTORS and DOUBLES the UNIPOLAR PULSING frequency? The 50% PULSE is charging the INDUCTORS?
Br,
Webmug
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;)
The fact is that is so simple that we could never thought of it if we don't have enough info. Actually i thought of it before maybe up to 3 years ago, but didn't knew why would work...
I took me 6 years to understand it, now knowing why would the inductor collapses its field and send a pulse of the same polarity to the water that became possible to clearly see how it works...
all my experiments results lead me to where i'm now. without them, without real science i couldn't understand it so far...
It works by restricting amps and allowing voltage to take over to do the work... he could't have described it better...
Theres still some things that will only reveal its operation putting imagination to work now... like the EEC
no where i could find that 1v=1amps like stan said,,, for example..
but is true i have no doubt...
The resonance is a very good way probably the best, there are others however... The important is the BANG.
The 8xxa is the all thing.
A Pulse is sent to the water, and when its terminated the choke field is made to collapses generating another pulse of same polarity while restricting the amps for allowing the voltage to go over and do the all work in a dead short condition.
The second pulse is not the frequency doubling pulse stan mentioned, he probably did that to twist our brains. it would only work as a frequency doubling pulse if no sub sequential pulsing is applied.. is more related to the gate...
For me it's now 4 years now 8) Could take 10 years or more... lol
Is it the 180o phase shift in current? When I connect the WFC my phase shift of 180o is lost from the chokes seen at the WFC.
When I have a normal Capacitor 1nF connected (between chokes B+ and B-) the leakage resistance is high compared with the WFC (15 to 3k ohms, 1nF) and see all kinds of strange things happening measuring the signal after the DIODE. I see pulsing DC on select resonance frequencies, when not on these frequencies I have AC and not charging the normal capacitor. The WFC is always AC on resonace so there is dead-short. :P
Br,
Webmug
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no where i could find that 1v=1amps like stan said,,, for example..
This doesn't make any sense to me. Volts and amps are completely different units of measure. That would be like saying that water pressure = water volume. That just doesn't make sense as they are measuring two different things.
If:
W = Power in Watts
V = Volts
A = Amps
Then:
W=VA
A=W/V
V=W/A
In simple physics, V<>A and never can.
TS
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no where i could find that 1v=1amps like stan said,,, for example..
This doesn't make any sense to me. Volts and amps are completely different units of measure. That would be like saying that water pressure = water volume. That just doesn't make sense as they are measuring two different things.
If:
W = Power in Watts
V = Volts
A = Amps
Then:
W=VA
A=W/V
V=W/A
In simple physics, V<>A and never can.
TS
Yeah i now that
Stan however clearly states that, in the new zealand 2nd video when talking about the EEC... at 6:33min
He says if you have 1 volt deflecting electronic circuit you end up with 6,25*10^18 electrons which equals 1 amp...
than he says if you apply 100 volts to pull out electrons out of the water than you get 100 amps... 10kw electrical power generated!!!.
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;)
The fact is that is so simple that we could never thought of it if we don't have enough info. Actually i thought of it before maybe up to 3 years ago, but didn't knew why would work...
I took me 6 years to understand it, now knowing why would the inductor collapses its field and send a pulse of the same polarity to the water that became possible to clearly see how it works...
all my experiments results lead me to where i'm now. without them, without real science i couldn't understand it so far...
It works by restricting amps and allowing voltage to take over to do the work... he could't have described it better...
Theres still some things that will only reveal its operation putting imagination to work now... like the EEC
no where i could find that 1v=1amps like stan said,,, for example..
but is true i have no doubt...
The resonance is a very good way probably the best, there are others however... The important is the BANG.
The 8xxa is the all thing.
A Pulse is sent to the water, and when its terminated the choke field is made to collapses generating another pulse of same polarity while restricting the amps for allowing the voltage to go over and do the all work in a dead short condition.
The second pulse is not the frequency doubling pulse stan mentioned, he probably did that to twist our brains. it would only work as a frequency doubling pulse if no sub sequential pulsing is applied.. is more related to the gate...
no where i could find that 1v=1amps like stan said,,, for example..
Are you talking VAR here?
This is the picture I see what Stan tried to explain in the Home Vid? (POSITIVE INDUCTOR).
Edit:
Number of PULSE (GATE Duty cycle yellow) defines the positive inductor charge amount for discharge UNIPOLAR voltage amplitude.
GATE frequency tunes in on the dielectric properties of the water.
Negative inductor copies the positive inductor UNIPOLAR voltage amplitude but is opposite in polarity by magnetic field and has to be compensated for losses "tuned" ?
Br,
Webmug
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Yeah i now that
Stan however clearly states that, in the new zealand 2nd video when talking about the EEC... at 6:33min
He says if you have 1 volt deflecting electronic circuit you end up with 6,25*10^18 electrons which equals 1 amp...
than he says if you apply 100 volts to pull out electrons out of the water than you get 100 amps... 10kw electrical power generated!!!.
Yes, I have seen the video and am aware of what he said. However, I still reiterate that you cannot equate volts with current. I believe he may have said it wrong, or didn't elaborate enough on what he meant. Additionally, this part of video was specific to electron extraction, the consuming of the electrons that have been extracted from the water molecule itself.
TS
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hello Webmug
Probably diode is not response at higher frequencies...
I also did many tests like this ... and got those odd behaviors...
The fact is that a coil will generate an opposite voltage to the source voltage as it fights against the souce to not allow current to flow (reactance), the magnetic polarity of a coil does not change if its pulsed it only increase and decreases..
When it is increasing it is creating a voltage that is opposite to the source, when the magnetic field is decreasing it than changes voltage polarity to the same polarity of the source, so doubling the voltage and frequency generating unipolar like wave form...
How a resistor work? if you add two in series, won't one reduce the effective voltage to the other? It does so because it create an opposite voltage to the source.. The inductor does the same but after the pulse ends than the voltage polarity reverses generating a pulse of same polarity as the source...
Is not that you can read this unipolar pulse at your oscilloscope, like stan drawings so beautiful... specially if you are than restricting amps, he might have draw this way to further confuse people... HE even call it analog voltage. I mean that because the time is not the same for the two cycles...
As i said the gate control the number of pulses going to the water so the amp leakage and repetition rate... the energy of the collapsing field..
The unipolar pulses is not the big deal, you see it? what does matter is what they really are.
This is all my understanding, i didn't constructed this way yet...
hello TS
Yes he was talking about the EEC, anyway i guess is too related to be ignored..
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About the tune in the dielectric proprieties is used in the resonant case, be able to drop energy into the cell in a greater amount... For that the diode is not present... not in that position...
The 8xxa i guess is not using resonance at all..
There are other means for rectifying current without any diodes.. while still allowing ac to flow..
what kind of switch can withstand 40kv?
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hello Webmug
Probably diode is not response at higher frequencies...
I also did many tests like this ... and got those odd behaviors...
The fact is that a coil will generate an opposite voltage to the source voltage as it fights against the souce to not allow current to flow (reactance), the magnetic polarity of a coil does not change if its pulsed it only increase and decreases..
When it is increasing it is creating a voltage that is opposite to the source, when the magnetic field is decreasing it than changes voltage polarity to the same polarity of the source, so doubling the voltage and frequency generating unipolar like wave form...
How a resistor work? if you add two in series, won't one reduce the effective voltage to the other? It does so because it create an opposite voltage to the source.. The inductor does the same but after the pulse ends than the voltage polarity reverses generating a pulse of same polarity as the source...
Is not that you can read this unipolar pulse at your oscilloscope, like stan drawings so beautiful... specially if you are than restricting amps, he might have draw this way to further confuse people... HE even call it analog voltage. I mean that because the time is not the same for the two cycles...
As i said the gate control the number of pulses going to the water so the amp leakage and repetition rate... the energy of the collapsing field..
The unipolar pulses is not the big deal, you see it? what does matter is what they really are.
This is all my understanding, i didn't constructed this way yet...
hello TS
Yes he was talking about the EEC, anyway i guess is too related to be ignored..
So it are vector calculations. Phase shifts etc. Problem are the real components R, C and L on resonance what gives phase shift never reaching 90o -90o and 180o. 8)
Proper measurements at the VIC with a scope are obvious very difficult, probably not visible.
About the tune in the dielectric proprieties is used in the resonant case, be able to drop energy into the cell in a greater amount... For that the diode is not present... not in that position...
The 8xxa i guess is not using resonance at all..
There are other means for rectifying current without any diodes.. while still allowing ac to flow..
what kind of switch can withstand 40kv?
Yes, the 8xxa is not using resonance.
Inductor can choke it to a amount, but this 40kV is then the Injector VIC I try to build the 2-3kV resonance cell here, Seb.
Br,
Webmug
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This voltage levels are not applied for long time is just a bang during amp restriction!
This is the big difference, if you apply 40kv to a load it will not develop 40kv if ohms law is not obeyed.. But during amp restriction, this stress is propagated.
You could think of it like a flyback like effect, while is not a flyback at all...
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This voltage levels are not applied for long time is just a bang during amp restriction!
This is the big difference, if you apply 40kv to a load it will not develop 40kv if ohms law is not obeyed.. But during amp restriction, this stress is propagated.
You could think of it like a flyback like effect, while is not a flyback at all...
Hmm, interesting,
Should the BANG have more effect when the water is polarized and starting to charge ?
Br,
Webmug
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Examples charging the inductor with AC.
Br,
Webmug
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Yes, i would guess.. Thats why i think the cell is charged than bang.
The bang is a consequence of amp restriction. spike... or other names also apply...
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Fabio, have you read this document yet? It is referenced in the "Independent Study" document from Stan Meyer.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15115795/Graneau-Paper-on-Water-Explosions (http://www.scribd.com/doc/15115795/Graneau-Paper-on-Water-Explosions)
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Yes Bubz, I took a more detailed look some time ago, i also sent an email and tried to communicate to peter while ago but inconclusive..
why do you point this out?
I think is somewhat the same process but in that case is a capacitive discharge non current limited...
Regards
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Yes, i would guess.. Thats why i think the cell is charged than bang.
The bang is a consequence of amp restriction. spike... or other names also apply...
Looked to Stan's Home Vid Lecture again especially the VIC part :)
Stan explains that the choke is charged and discharged when the pulse circuit is "open".
Tuning into the properties of water is what drops the current leakage to 1-2 Milli amps and voltage takes over and rises to 2-3 kilo volts.
Stanley Meyer: PATENT WO 92/07861 page 6
“In the invention, the water capacitor is subjected to a duty pulse which builds up in the resonant charging choke coil and then collapses. This occurrence permits a unipolar pulse to be applied to the fuel cell capacitor. When a resonant condition of the circuit is locked-in by the circuit, amp leakage is held to a minimum as the voltage which creates the dielectric field tends to infinity.
Turns are a design variable that controls the voltage of the unipolar pulses sent to the capacitor.
The pulse to the water capacitor is always unipolar.
The diode is an electronic switch that determines the generation and collapse of an electromagnetic field to permit the resonant charging choke(s) to double the applied frequency and also allows the pulse to be sent to the resonant cavity without discharging the ‘capacitor’ therein.”
There are two pulsing parts in the VIC; PULSE and GATE:
1) PULSE is 50% duty cycle and has a frequency tuned to the charging frequency of the inductors;
Now the secondary coil is the resonant charging source for the choke (modulator) called: inductance charging. (Can be done using AC or DC source)
2a) The GATE duty cycle adjusts the number of PULSES to regulate the charge what goes into the inductors;
2b) and the GATE frequency tunes into the LC properties of water (choke and water capacitor).
Number 2b is the part what restricts the amps in the "open" pulsing circuit thus creating the BANG (LC critically damped part) ?
The chokes resistance and inductance/capacitance creates the R/L. Why is the high resistance important of 11kohms in the injector VIC? Stan said that is restricts more current, right. So this can charge the Injector to higher voltages? But on higher frequencies! Lower WFC C,R.
Looking at the resistance of my 3 inch WFC containing rain water gives about 245 ohms resistance RC for the WFC. WFC capacitance is 8 to 1nF between 1 to 10kHz. When you add up all the resistances of the VIC is has about 220 ohms! Coincidence, why I don't know.
Is it perhaps a critically damped system formed together with the WFC ( R and C )?
"Switching diode of figure 3-22 not only acts as a blocking diode by preventing electrical shorting to secondary coil during pulse off-time since diode only conducts electrical energy in the direction of schematic arrow; but, also and at the same time functions as a electronic switch which opens electrical circuit during pulse off-time allowing magnetic fields of both inductor coils to collapse forming pulse train 64a xxx 64n"
So the BANG from the pos choke in the circuit can not short-circuit the neg BANG when there is pulse off time?
Any more ideas?
Regards
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Seems all much in agreement. Really makes sense for me.
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so SS wire.
Remember where you found good info, the waterfall may close or get dry.
The more i change the vic design to meet the parameters i think might be needed, the more it goes close to the basic schematic stan presented.
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I think he talked about the isolated ground to highlight the use of high potentials relative to ground as to confirm his ability to apply high electrical stress on the discontinuity consisting of the cell.
The isolated ground is the reason super high voltages is read across the water, I am unsure of what your setup is because I havent read your entire thread. Have you put atleast 1kilo volts across tap water yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOIoFgn-WaQ&feature=channel&list=UL
The Isolated ground is where most of the electrons come from.
Donaldwfc has the coil to the posted circuit. Also, at resonance the circuit more than doubles the frequency, Some frequencies will even melt the copper at milliamps hardly readable on the gauges. Allthough nothing of this setup is important we did manage to read thousands of volts across any selected type of water, even with both salt and Koh the voltage is in the Kilovolt regions.
Notice the RED ISOLATED GROUND WIRE before the choke. Here is my thumb allowing electrons to flow in another video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xueNufRDBw&feature=channel&list=UL
You will not replicate my work without that choke core that donald has. If I get that choke core back who can tell us what the core is and how we can get more? THATS WHY I SENT IT OUT, Do NOT loose that core people! We need a part number so everyone can replicate it. If anyone sees Donaldwfc if any way possible, Id like the core to be sent back to me if it is not in use, or, We want to know what material it is made of, which is why I sent it out.
Nothing good came out of me sharing my circuit, I had high hopes for your replications.
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I was anxious to see the confirmation your results hydrocars. I tried also lighting lamps with the vics i built some years ago. It seems to me that it don't generate that much gas right?
nice link: http://www.sci-experiments.com/HighVoltagePulser/Flyback%20Converter.html
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Beyond the limits of imagination, restricting amps and allow voltage fields to be applied to the water, the intelligence of Stanley in hiding everything he could.
He aways shows in the drawings the tx5 coil being in a cancel relationship with tx4 coil. .
well he is a bitch here, because he is sending two positives or two negatives at each time to the water right,
now if the tx4 and tx5 is made to be adding relationship like in the matrix circuit 7-1, and now the secondary has some less turns than tx4 and tx5 sum but the secondary is now in a cancel relationship with this chokes... what happens?
The tx4 sends a positive zone to the water by the electron bounce phenomena and tx5 a negative zone to the water, at no cost because secondary is restricting the amps...
Tell me than..
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I think he talked about the isolated ground to highlight the use of high potentials relative to ground as to confirm his ability to apply high electrical stress on the discontinuity consisting of the cell.
The isolated ground is the reason super high voltages is read across the water, I am unsure of what your setup is because I havent read your entire thread. Have you put atleast 1kilo volts across tap water yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOIoFgn-WaQ&feature=channel&list=UL
The Isolated ground is where most of the electrons come from.
Donaldwfc has the coil to the posted circuit. Also, at resonance the circuit more than doubles the frequency, Some frequencies will even melt the copper at milliamps hardly readable on the gauges. Allthough nothing of this setup is important we did manage to read thousands of volts across any selected type of water, even with both salt and Koh the voltage is in the Kilovolt regions.
Notice the RED ISOLATED GROUND WIRE before the choke. Here is my thumb allowing electrons to flow in another video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xueNufRDBw&feature=channel&list=UL
You will not replicate my work without that choke core that donald has. If I get that choke core back who can tell us what the core is and how we can get more? THATS WHY I SENT IT OUT, Do NOT loose that core people! We need a part number so everyone can replicate it. If anyone sees Donaldwfc if any way possible, Id like the core to be sent back to me if it is not in use, or, We want to know what material it is made of, which is why I sent it out.
Nothing good came out of me sharing my circuit, I had high hopes for your replications.
Hydrocars,
I got all your stuff right here intact, don't worry! I'll got it from Donald!
I also have two Meyer spec build VIC transformers with different core's here and 3 inch WFC and have 600V at my WFC. FL lamp lit when wfc is connected.
But it is AC swing, what we all have. My RIGOL waveform generator electronic unit can pulse - gate this VIC with a TIP120 transistor just like the Meyer driver unit with amplitude control.
Your choke toroid has no wire on it anymore when I got it from Donald. Also the primary coil was changed.
I'll will wrap 24awg 75wnd on the choke again and test the coil with your primary/secondary.
Secondary is not changed, what was the primary wnd configuration ? also 24awg ?
With the configuration what Donald send to me I can not put it in resonance. Did LCR measurements on the transformer.
It pulls about 800mA at 120kHz.
Your choke core material is darker then MN67 1100perm.
I want to do a few measurements to determine the parameters from the choke core material.
So don't worry about the materials, they are still here...
Br,
Webmug
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The secondary during pulse off reverse bias the diode to allow the collapse of the field in this manner. As the secondary creates an emf of proportional magnitude it saves the diode from high voltage reversals... It must keep balance. but some current must flow so energy is accumulated in the chokes...
The tuning coil may be to adjust the relation of voltage choked for a given type of water...
In the last post i said the secondary was smaller than the tx4 tx5 well actually should be bigger or wont hold the diodes wide shut.
If the secondary is canceling the chokes than the chokes acts like two extra primary coils by the action of the current flowing because of the secondary thru the diode..
The more abrupt it goes more it restricts...
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Is incredible to think that you can apply 1 zilion volts at wish... no amp influx because of the electron bounce phenomenon
This Dipole cannot be killed, because it is inside the coil.. . What happens is that the water is a dielectric and so charges will be separated if the field is not uniform.
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The secondary during pulse off reverse bias the diode to allow the collapse of the field in this manner. As the secondary creates an emf of proportional magnitude it saves the diode from high voltage reversals... It must keep balance. but some current must flow so energy is accumulated in the chokes...
The tuning coil may be to adjust the relation of voltage choked for a given type of water...
In the last post i said the secondary was smaller than the tx4 tx5 well actually should be bigger or wont hold the diodes wide shut.
If the secondary is canceling the chokes than the chokes acts like two extra primary coils by the action of the current flowing because of the secondary thru the diode..
The more abrupt it goes more it restricts...
Seb, we have all the coil measurements on file so can they be used with your theory ?
I have always AC at the WFC, even HV but nothing happens with the water, there must be something else happening in the coils interaction with each other what we still never found here !!!
Stan had a thin core, this is chosen for a reason. This is a "charging inductor" not a "filter inductor" that's why is has a thin core (to reduce core losses).
1100 perm is too high, and with this core I pulse it with more than 25kHz. My lower perm core needs 14Khz. My guess it is a core in the range of 400-600 perm.
NOTE. Gating the pulse doesn't change the AC swing only reduces current use.
Br,
Webmug
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My RIGOL waveform generator has nice names generating gated pulses for the parameters.
PULSES have duty cycle and frequency adjustments and have the same names as Stan did.
GATE has also duty cycle and frequency adjustments but my RIGOL give it different names: CYCLES and PERIOD.
One CYCLE has one PULSE ON and one PULSE OFF at 50% duty cycle. PERIOD in milli seconds adjusts the time when the CYCLES are generated.
The CYCLES (number of PULSES) charges the inductor and the PERIOD the frequency of TIME when not charging the inductor.
Very nice!
Br,
Webmug
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I don't know if you understood what i meant by electron bounce phenomenon,
Is the fact that secondary contrary voltage allows voltage potential of opposite polarity to be applied to the water without amp influx.
Whatever current flowing, will increase secondary voltage because its configured as buck regulation... The chokes acts as a primary...
And during pulse off the secondary ensures the diode turns off and keeps the voltage across the diode within its PIV limits as its rise will be proportional to the voltage rise at the chokes since they share the same magnetic field collapsing time...
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2474.0;attach=11357)
Bounce means jump right?
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I don't know if you understood what i meant by electron bounce phenomenon,
Is the fact that secondary contrary voltage allows voltage potential of opposite polarity to be applied to the water without amp influx.
Whatever current flowing, will increase secondary voltage because its configured as buck regulation... The chokes acts as a primary...
And during pulse off the secondary ensures the diode turns off and keeps the voltage across the diode within its PIV limits as its rise will be proportional to the voltage rise at the chokes since they share the same magnetic field collapsing time...
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2474.0;attach=11357)
This "electron bounce phenomenon" is not very clear for me, Seb! Thanks for reminding me about it!
So the "isolated electrical ground (61)" is the place where the "electron bounce phenomenon" happens ?
Here the electrons can not move to any place in the circuit. In the Fig you posted it is named: "isolated electrical circuit".
Stan mentions this "electron bounce phenomenon" in Memo WFC 426 Section 7.
The Voltage Intensifier Circuit takes advantage of the "Electron Bounce Phenomenon" to trigger Hydrogen Fracturing Process without amp influxing.
Br,
Webmug
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It's easy to lose sight of what voltage regulation means in the real world.
Many people mistake this to mean that a transformer with 10% regulation will keep the output voltage to a value within 10% of nominal. That's simply not so. Let's take a look at what transformer voltage regulation is, and why it's useful to you.
In any step down transformer, the secondary current produces voltage drop across the resistive and reactive components of the transformer's secondary side. On the other side, the primary current produces voltage drops across the resistive and reactive components of the transformer's primary side. From this, it's easy to see the primary voltage will be less than the supply voltage, and the secondary (output) will be less than either of those.
Let's assume you have no load connected to your transformer. In such a case, no secondary current flows. With no current, you have no voltage drop across those resistive and reactive components of the transformer's secondary side. But, another thing happens. Without a secondary current, the primary current drops to the no-load current—which is nearly zero. This means the voltage drop across the resistive and reactive components of the transformer's primary side becomes very small. What's the net effect? In a no-load situation, the voltage on the primary is almost equal to the supply voltage, and the secondary voltage nearly equals the supply voltage times the ratio of primary windings to secondary windings.
You might assume the transformer's output voltage is highest at no load. It would then make sense that (under loaded conditions) the transformer's resistive and reactive components cause the output voltage to drop below its no-load level. This is a logical assumption, but one that's not necessarily so. Depending on the power factor of the load, the output full-load voltage may actually be larger than the no-load voltage.
The voltage regulation of the transformer is the percentage change in the output voltage from no-load to full-load. And since power factor is a determining factor in the secondary voltage, power factor influences voltage regulation. This means the voltage regulation of a transformer is a dynamic, load-dependent number. The numbers you see in the nameplate data are fixed; the number of primary windings won't change; the number of secondary windings won't change, etc. But, the voltage regulation will vary as power factor varies.
Ideally, there should be no change in the transformer's output voltage from no-load to full-load. In such a case, we say the voltage regulation is 0%. To get the best performance out of your transformer, you need the lowest possible voltage regulation. You should calculate the voltage regulation and save the result as a troubleshooting and predictive maintenance benchmark. Suppose the percentage change is too high. What do you do? You now know you need to look at power factor correction for the loads on that transformer. A power factor meter can be very helpful in this case.
http://ecmweb.com/content/basics-transformer-voltage-regulation
So the loaded voltage can be greater than the no load condition, if enough feedback is used.
I'm in the matrix now, i see the transformer almost as a motor-generator turning... A varying flux is equivalent to the coil approaching or getting far from a magnet.
The electron bounce phenomenon holds electrons inside the coils by the opposing fields, so they can't jump over the water gap, so only the potential or electrical stress is applied. For an electron to jump across the water it must first fight all the secondary contrary well potential field. Is it clear now? oh and in the case of the pulse off the diode is also opening the circuit.
About the core size, is all that is needed for those power ratings at that frequency, 40w... more than enough since little current flow.
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Thanks Seb!
Thereby, preventing coil-ringing during each pulse off-time ... allowing Electron Bounce Phenomenon (EbP) to occur without amp influxing within VIC Matrix Circuit (690) of Figure (7-8) as so governed by Circuit Resistance Equations (Eq. 9) which, in activated electrical-state, allows positive Voltage Pulse-Wave (583) to be duplicated in succession to form Voltage Pulse Train (66 - 583a xxx 583n), as illustrated in (770) of Figure (8-1). Opposite negative Voltage Pulse Train (67 - 602a xxx 602n) is similarly formed since "Electron Clustering Effect" (631) of Figure (7-9) produces a "Negative Electrical Voltage Intensity (67) in equal magnitude to the "Positive Electrical Voltage Intensity (66) during each/repetitious magnetic pulsecycle (Rp/71). Remember, Secondary Voltage pickup coil (52) of Figure (7-8) displaces and separates Resonant Charging Chokes (56/62) on opposite end of said Secondary Pickup Coil (52).
Electrically Interlinked serially together, Electron Bounce Phenomenon (EbP) , Voltage Coefficient of Inductance (Fll/F12), Voltage Coefficient of Capacitance (Cdl/Cd2), Voltage Coefficient of Resistance (Rsl/Rs2), and dielectric Coefficient of Water resistance (Re) allows Voltage Potential (Vo - Vn) of opposite electrical polarity to perform work (SS' _ 617 _ RR') without amp influxing '" thus, not allowing the introduction of electron flow into Hydrogen Fracturing Process (90) of Figure (5-5) during Voltage Stimulation (SS' - 617 _ RR') ... causing "electron clustering" (641a xxx 641n) to take place within Copper Wire Zone (52) during pulse ontime (Tl) ... inhibiting "electron flow" to maintain opposite voltage potential (66/E9 _ 67/E10) across Resonant Water Gap (616)
The resultant Dynamic Voltage Potential of Difference (opposite electrical attraction force) (SS' - 617 •... RR') is in balance phase of equal electrical intensity (66 = 67) of opposite polarity (positive electrical voltage potential _66 equals negative electrical Voltage potential 66 since the voltage Coefficient of Inductance (FL1/FL2), Voltage Coefficient of Capacitance (Cd1/Cd2), and voltage Coefficient of Resistance (Rs1/Rs2) across choke coils (L1/L2) are the same values ... allowing, Voltage Bounce Phenomenon (700) of Figure (7-9) to be preformed.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1503.msg17582.html#msg17582 (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1503.msg17582.html#msg17582)
So here we have the coils design factors to get Voltage Bounce Phenomenon!
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2488.msg23224/topicseen.html#msg23224 (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2488.msg23224/topicseen.html#msg23224)
Br,
Webmug
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Welcome Webmug!
Seems that in the end stan told us the true, but there was missing some knowledge of the prior art from the experimenters side... I'm now studying Physics III at the university... electric force fields, gauss law.. etc
The more i learn the more i understand!
This might help:
http://www.uncp.edu.pe/newfacultades/ingenieriasarqui/newelectrica/phocadownload/descargas/E%20BOOK%20Electric%20Power%20Transformer%20Engineering.pdf
Regards...
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Welcome Webmug!
Seems that in the end stan told us the true, but there was missing some knowledge of the prior art from the experimenters side... I'm now studying Physics III at the university... electric force fields, gauss law.. etc
The more i learn the more i understand!
This might help:
http://www.uncp.edu.pe/newfacultades/ingenieriasarqui/newelectrica/phocadownload/descargas/E%20BOOK%20Electric%20Power%20Transformer%20Engineering.pdf
Regards...
We are not there yet!
Keep up the good work! 8)
Br,
Webmug
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I'm betting pretty soon. Because now for me makes sense.
Is being 3 years since i achieved this pulse doubling, mechanism, but i didn't understood it, nor knew how to improve it...
Some probably more help: http://educypedia.karadimov.info/library/DC%20Power%20Supply%20Handbook.pdf
Regards
Sebosfato
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I'm betting pretty soon. Because now for me makes sense.
Is being 3 years since i achieved this pulse doubling, mechanism, but i didn't understood it, nor knew how to improve it...
Regards
Sebosfato
Voltage Coefficient of Inductance (FL1/FL2),
Voltage Coefficient of Capacitance (Cd1/Cd2),
voltage Coefficient of Resistance (Rs1/Rs2) across choke coils (L1/L2) are the same values
... allowing, Voltage Bounce Phenomenon (700) of Figure (7-9) to be preformed.
We can now check the ratios of the coils!!!
Regards!
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The secondary during pulse off reverse bias the diode to allow the collapse of the field in this manner. As the secondary creates an emf of proportional magnitude it saves the diode from high voltage reversals... It must keep balance. but some current must flow so energy is accumulated in the chokes...
The tuning coil may be to adjust the relation of voltage choked for a given type of water...
In the last post i said the secondary was smaller than the tx4 tx5 well actually should be bigger or wont hold the diodes wide shut.
If the secondary is canceling the chokes than the chokes acts like two extra primary coils by the action of the current flowing because of the secondary thru the diode..
The more abrupt it goes more it restricts...
I havent had the time to read this thread today, only this one post of yours. The step up transformer I included for testing is not important for gaining voltages across the cell, it is that choke core thats the heart, its material and combination of the wraps. Your saying something about reading ac across the cell, Have you made and Isolated ground perhaps to a ground rod drivin in the ground like what I shown in my video posted above? Is your Diode the Ceramic type and is it fast enough, does it break down? I still will try and find a part number to the diode I sent, is the diode I sent still good?
You will need an earth ground/isolated ground. There is some production that is visible, but nothing astonishing there. We know http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jcQjJR2D9Y
The pH levels change things! Its in the Pdf but its unfinished. I recommend researching how pH levels affect (electron) Behavior of water. Even though current doesn't flow, some water takes electrons and other water does not, it depends on the pH level. I'm not sure wich water we need, Acidic or Neutral or Basic or Alkaline, there is 4 types and you cant see it by looking! the behavior is diff. I've had water produce hydroxy gas (and only flow hydrogen when the power was removed.) You apply a current to normal electrolysis and the gas is magnetized to the tubes it seems, you switch the power off and the gas Explodes to the top. This is because of a mixture of pH levels, and other factors,,,,, I do not know them all. I've had my water in my cell emptied and start sparking and poping, the video got deleted. That was another example of a different type of water.
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The secondary during pulse off reverse bias the diode to allow the collapse of the field in this manner. As the secondary creates an emf of proportional magnitude it saves the diode from high voltage reversals... It must keep balance. but some current must flow so energy is accumulated in the chokes...
The tuning coil may be to adjust the relation of voltage choked for a given type of water...
In the last post i said the secondary was smaller than the tx4 tx5 well actually should be bigger or wont hold the diodes wide shut.
If the secondary is canceling the chokes than the chokes acts like two extra primary coils by the action of the current flowing because of the secondary thru the diode..
The more abrupt it goes more it restricts...
I havent had the time to read this thread today, only this one post of yours. The step up transformer I included for testing is not important for gaining voltages across the cell, it is that choke core thats the heart, its material and combination of the wraps. Your saying something about reading ac across the cell, Have you made and Isolated ground perhaps to a ground rod drivin in the ground like what I shown in my video posted above? Is your Diode the Ceramic type and is it fast enough, does it break down? I still will try and find a part number to the diode I sent, is the diode I sent still good?
You will need an earth ground/isolated ground. There is some production that is visible, but nothing astonishing there. We know http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jcQjJR2D9Y
The pH levels change things! Its in the Pdf but its unfinished. I recommend researching how pH levels affect (electron) Behavior of water. Even though current doesn't flow, some water takes electrons and other water does not, it depends on the pH level. I'm not sure wich water we need, Acidic or Neutral or Basic or Alkaline, there is 4 types and you cant see it by looking! the behavior is diff. I've had water produce hydroxy gas (and only flow hydrogen when the power was removed.) You apply a current to normal electrolysis and the gas is magnetized to the tubes it seems, you switch the power off and the gas Explodes to the top. This is because of a mixture of pH levels, and other factors,,,,, I do not know them all. I've had my water in my cell emptied and start sparking and poping, the video got deleted. That was another example of a different type of water.
Hydrocars,
Why use an earth ground/isolated ground? We don't want an electron source. The VIC is an "isolated electrical circuit".
Br,
Webmug
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I think we could even use the ground as stan shows also in many drawings... Perhaps it is indeed good to have a reference or source of electrons. Or maybe not, anyways he clearly states that he don't want electrons moving around... specially at the end connections of the chokes! HE sometimes mentions water as the source of the electrons and the gases coming out ionized already...
Well lets look into that...
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Hydrocars,
Why use an earth ground/isolated ground? We don't want an electron source. The VIC is an "isolated electrical circuit".
Br,
Webmug
Ditto. It is only an "isolated ground" in that the VIC creates it's OWN ground (negative pole) at the secondary once you put the blocking diode in. It in effect is a half-wave rectifier and a DC current. It doesn't require an additional ground source apart from its own.
TS
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I think we could even use the ground as stan shows also in many drawings... Perhaps it is indeed good to have a reference or source of electrons. Or maybe not, anyways he clearly states that he don't want electrons moving around... specially at the end connections of the chokes! HE sometimes mentions water as the source of the electrons and the gases coming out ionized already...
Well lets look into that...
Precisely, the water bath is the source of electrons but only when using the EEC. The VIC is an "open circuit", meaning only connected through mutual inductances. Electron Bounce is the choking off point using the magnetic field.
Pulsing Transformer
The pulsing transformer (A/G) steps up the voltage amplitude or voltage potential during pulsing operations. The primary coil is electrically isolated (no electrical connection between primary and secondary coil) to form Voltage Intensifier Circuit (AA) Figure (1-1). Voltage amplitude or voltage potential is increased when secondary coil (A) is wrapped with more turns of wire. Isolated electrical ground (J) prevents electron flow from input circuit ground.
If you have a car where is the ground connection? There are two connections (+ and - ) and - have the same source so primary is then connected to the secondary. The isolated ground has meaning there is a point in the VIC circuit where there is a isolated ground forming in the circuit and it is called a "isolated electrical circuit" I think.
We have two names here Stan used:
"Electron Bounce Phenomenon" (EbP) during pulse off-time T2 and "electron clustering" during pulse on time (T1)
Regards
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The secondary during pulse off reverse bias the diode to allow the collapse of the field in this manner. As the secondary creates an emf of proportio nal magnitude it saves the diode from high voltage reversals ... It must keep balance. but some current must flow so energy is accumulat ed in the chokes...
The tuning coil may be to adjust the relation of voltage choked for a given type of water...
In the last post i said the secondary was smaller than the tx4 tx5 well actually should be bigger or wont hold the diodes wide shut.
If the secondary is canceling the chokes than the chokes acts like two extra primary coils by the action of the current flowing because of the secondary thru the diode..
The more abrupt it goes more it restricts ...
I havent had the time to read this thread today, only this one post of yours. The step up transform er I included for testing is not important for gaining voltages across the cell, it is that choke core thats the heart, its material and combinati on of the wraps. Your saying something about reading ac across the cell, Have you made and Isolated ground perhaps to a ground rod drivin in the ground like what I shown in my video posted above? Is your Diode the Ceramic type and is it fast enough, does it break down? I still will try and find a part number to the diode I sent, is the diode I sent still good?
You will need an earth ground/isolated ground. There is some productio n that is visible, but nothing astonishi ng there. We know http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jcQjJR2D9Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jcQjJR2D9Y)
The pH levels change things! Its in the Pdf but its unfinishe d. I recommend researchi ng how pH levels affect (electron) Behavior of water. Even though current doesn't flow, some water takes electrons and other water does not, it depends on the pH level. I'm not sure wich water we need, Acidic or Neutral or Basic or Alkaline, there is 4 types and you cant see it by looking! the behavior is diff. I've had water produce hydroxy gas (and only flow hydrogen when the power was removed.) You apply a current to normal electroly sis and the gas is magnetize d to the tubes it seems, you switch the power off and the gas Explodes to the top. This is because of a mixture of pH levels, and other factors,,,,, I do not know them all. I've had my water in my cell emptied and start sparking and poping, the video got deleted. That was another example of a different type of water.
Hydrocars,
Why use an earth ground/isolated ground? We don't want an electron source. The VIC is an "isolated electrica l circuit".
Br,
Webmug
The goal was to put high voltage DC across any Cavity containing water as an dielectric. Restricting amp flow and allowing voltage to rise to the peak of the circuit seems impossible only because one doesn't understand the potential behaviors! Tesla Understood them well which is why Tesla Knew to use a ground Rod to use the earth as an electron source and conductor. Tesla Had Amazing knowledge probably given to him by Angels which allowed us to have the communications we have today. Tesla had no help and it if wasn't for his mind wed be lost today.
Tesla Talked about electrons, and earth. There is something about the earth and Uluminum type metals that creates Voltage potential from the (Air) or surroundings. The devices are not completely understood I think by us, but tesla could pull energy from the air and at A Point energy started coming from somewhere tesla had no explanantation for!
Why do Helicopter loggers wear Gloves when hooking the cables to the logs before they pull them from the woods? A 100' cable dangling down and a man on the earth reaching up to that cable can send a 1' dark blue ark to him and knock him cold.
You use a ground rod because it helps stabalize the Potential of the DC, It also helps prevent Certain electrons from going where they do not need to go. If you remove the ground wire, the potential can become unstable and it could affect how the push pull motion is applied onto the Molecule. We have Proof that we can put voltages across the water molecule. We do not know, or we are not sure what type of (Dance) we want the applied Potential to do! We may not want the ground because we may not want a stable reading? But for our Devices and measurments we do the ground needs to be there to Assure Complete polarity of the water which ac would heat the water. Stan talked about the microwave oven and AC potential and how it caused the molecule to heat up, this is what seems to happen without a ground.
I guess depending on what you're doing, you may need a ground,, or you may not.... But if AC potential is all we needed then why not just use a microwave?
Define: Isolated - (Seperated from Other things or others.) - (it is separate)
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My teacher today told me this would be impossible... for me she just didn't understood it fully..
Is this a way to use a dipole without destroying it to make things happen?
Meyer himself said many times voltage potential can and do perform work in the form of electric field deflecting force as newtons/coulomb if amp influx is prohibited (dipole is not killed)... As electrons movement in an electric field of a collection of charges wont change the potential because it is an unaltered energy state if amp influx is prohibited, there to the electron may lose or gain energy in the field but the field energy is always constant.
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I've been working on this 5 years and 4 months, This isn't something any teacher would understand. It is completel y new how voltage is read across the water molecule, With the molecule restricti ng amps that is. There are 4 types of water that I know of. pH Level
(WE NEED THAT CHOKE MATERIAL PINPOINTE D)
I would like to buy one for me also, When can we find the source of this choke I'm ready to purchase one? It doesn't have to be of the same size.
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When I post, my text does what it wants to, I am unable to control where some spaces is, I dont understand it but when I go to fix it another space pops up somewhere else. Oh well, Sorry.
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When I post, my text does what it wants to, I am unable to control where some spaces is, I dont understand it but when I go to fix it another space pops up somewhere else. Oh well, Sorry.
How is it now going with the text? I made a change for you.
Steve
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About a year ago I decided to make a larger coil than the others I was working with. It was roughly 1000 turns where my usual ones were in the 200 to 400 turn range. What I found when I hooked up my 1000 turn coil was that the power was not able to fully charge the coil and there was negligible electrical activity at the opposite end from where the power was applied.
Since voltage wave leads current wave in a coil, if the coil turns were just high enough to charge using all the current, but just less enough to allow the voltage wave through, wouldn't this allow us to use the voltage potential only and allow the voltage to perform the work, restricting the current?
TS
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The amp restriction mechanism can be performed in other manners like being an arrangement of 3 transformers... the important in my point of view is to create the electron bounce phenomenon, the capacitance of the coils might be of great influence since stan mentioned it repetitively thought.
You need 3 dipoles... for sake of clarity... two that we use the field intensity or potential from, and another twice or more bigger than each where it restrict the amps.
sebos
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Nothing like the right tool for the job...
I took the original motor remained from the other project and the parts i took off from another and made for me a winding machine... with a car battery and some resistors i can vary the speed and than coil fast enough to don't get bored...
I took 30min to make 800 turns secondary that was missing at my glass fabric (fiber glass?) vic...
i'm going to test my theory now...
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where are these setups that shows voltage across tap water using 3 transformers? Nobody has shown me id like to see proof that potential is there. But still it is important to me the core material because the choke can resonate on its own with that core where using 3 transformers would create other dislike frequencies compared to 1 core.
so far so good Stevie...
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What about the word unipolar?
i was wandering...
What if he meant one pole?
I was thinking about the electric fields that could be present when charging the water cell to several kilovolts and what would they do to the molecules and ions present... as stan said study of the movement and deflections of the electrons... and i found that if the system would be brought to a net positive charge there should be less electrons on the negative plate as a consequence of that.. as per stan words
The resistor 60 of FIGS. 1 and 5, connected between the exciter plate having the negative voltage applied thereto and ground is an effective current limiter/electron inhibiter. In simple terms the restriction to current flow to the negative plate is a restriction to the flow of current between the pair of plate exciters. There can be no electron leakage from the negative potential plate exciter if there are no electrons to leak.
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Its just like the bedini motor pulses. Learn how to unipolar pulse it and you`re good.
(http://s27.postimg.org/a79z30g7n/step.jpg) (not my scope shot) (huge hho)
This the frequency doubling.
(http://s22.postimg.org/dq8h6eovl/IMG_2399.jpg) (my scope shot) (few hho need to clean this signal)
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Its just like the bedini motor pulses. Learn how to unipolar pulse it and you`re good.
(http://s27.postimg.org/a79z30g7n/step.jpg) (not my scope shot) (huge hho)
This the frequency doubling.
(http://s22.postimg.org/dq8h6eovl/IMG_2399.jpg) (my scope shot) (few hho need to clean this signal)
But from who is that hugh hho scopeshot then?
Any measurements known on power vs hho output?
cheers
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i don't think you grab the idea... i'm talking about the electric fields from the electric potential...
if a first source charge is applied inside, the metal of the outer tube will create an image charge.. referenced to it... so its measurable..
if the outer tube is not connected to nothing what happens is that it will lose or gain charge depending on the initial condition but this charge is limited
for example if we keep adding positive inside its taking electrons out of the system... so the outer tube will become more positive since the charged particles are forced by the electric fields towards this electrode. it can even lend some electrons but at a point this situation must stop.
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i try to understand...
Electrons only flow when circuit is closed.
Only if there is a difference in potential....difference in amount of of electrons..
Water can act as ground, ill guess
Is that what you mean?
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not exactly
the question is... how far does a charge is far enough
how long an electric field reach
in water much farther
i mean if you put a charge in one electrode facing other it does not matter if the other is connected to something in order to be a difference in potential between the two. however if you charge both with the same voltage there will be no voltage between them...
in the first case you get an electric field and in the case if water is there between it has some ions that wants to move because of that..
the effect is not good because the electrons are attracted toward the positive killing the high voltage potential... however this is limited to the point where the cell has attained net imbalance.. however as we expect gas to come out of water this charge can fly away..so theres anyway still be some milliamps of leakage..
i think meyer used at least a pair of tubular cells one for the positive side and one for the negative side... separated by the chokes
than the idea is that the system charges and when the field collapse the secondary open up the circuit so that the opposite potential is applied to the respective electrode while preventing electron flow since the chokes are connected between the two cells in my view, the diode with help of secondary won't allow the collapse voltage of the choke to generate current because is kind of open circuit so the choke collapse high voltage pulse to compensate .. its kind of place the opposite charge only during intervals where no electron or minimal current can flow..
the problem is we want no current! or very very low... but the idea is very wise to have two chokes of same size... or secondary and choke same size.. because the collapse will be similar and so more voltage can be reach with less current
maybe it does not matter... but the idea is if i want the chokes to collapse i need the secondary to do it first and harder! the bigger you are the slower you fall... perhaps that long coils is to let the water feel the electric field more time..
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Guys, limit your input current right at the source for starters.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2962.0.html
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Steve, this scope shot is from a russian guy. Power supply 8V @150mA. Pretty white hho cloud, 1 tube set, 2n3055 driver. Unfortunately I dont have the lpm, neither he did.
Timeshell, I went different with a LM338.
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Steve, this scope shot is from a russian guy. Power supply 8V @150mA. Pretty white hho cloud, 1 tube set, 2n3055 driver. Unfortunately I dont have the lpm, neither he did.
Timeshell, I went different with a LM338.
Same idea. I was basically saying don't saturate your primary with current. You won't get the proper signals on the VIC coils of you are saturating the coils.
Right now I'm using an LM317.
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i think i got the amp restriction! it became pretty noisy and the computer got crazy i seemed to be receiving ufo messages kkk
according to my theory due to the forces present the water act as a generator in series with the chokes when they collapse.. .the secondary receive this pulse and impede the current to enter the primary coil.
only at a certain voltage level this happening... unfortunately i burned all my transistors... and need to get more next month...
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In the end the idea to have the chokes on the same core as secondary and primary is good since it can be designed to have minimal or actually no amps going... to track specifically the resonance of that particular water...
than the system is tuned to that frequency.. of course to maximize resonance..
i'm afraid it become a self sustaining oscillation and won't stop generating just like stan said.. unless taking the water out of it..
maybe its a new way to even generate electrical energy guess what,, it all comes from the action chokes plus cell..
i believe don't you?
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i believe don't you?
Are you asking somebody in particular?
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i believe don't you?
Are you asking somebody in particular?
Ts i'm the one who never believe, and never believed this applying high voltage across the gap with zero current... i'm just telling where i'm going..
perhaps i need to take my hat for some in the past that went blindly in that direction... i instead needed to understand but if you think about meyer was truly in his regards wanting us to follow his steps and bring it on.
i have this theory for few years now but only now i seem to see how to apply it...
i learned partially in physics 3
those concepts are key to understand whats going on.. but there is also the jump of the cat... when the molecules broke where the charge goes? and how it goes?
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i believe don't you?
Are you asking somebody in particular?
when the molecules broke where the charge goes? and how it goes?
The charge doesn't go anywhere. It stays on the cell.
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i think is here where the magic comes the result is unexpected... we don't really know if the amps goes to zero in the secondary ckt... i guess when the chokes revert its voltage the cells have the impetus to break the molecule where unrestricted current would flow.. however the choke wouldn't allow...
i'm not connecting my cell in the same way as you .. probably... i'm applying the E fields to the inner tubes.... the chokes are positioned to allow the fields to exist as i want them and to double the frequency and restrict the amps...
Meyer told that the electrical resonance would happen at whatever voltage level.. not the water resonance..
actually resonance in water means that it is able to jump one electron to another higher energy position in the molecule...
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actually resonance in water means that it is able to jump one electron to another higher energy position in the molecule...
Dear friend,
This is an interesting theory. How did you come up with that?
cheers
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this term is used in chemistry. the benzene molecule has electrons that constantly change its energy state if i recall well and its was called resonance..
when the water gets charged to a certain degree the atoms rearrange them selfs naturally to the closest situation of lower energy possible./.. as there will be a bunch of hydrogens atoms on one side and reversely on the other side oxygen this form back to molecules in diatomic form...
my theory is plain simple... water breaks apart and than as the field collapse it kind of vector invert and charge the transformer back during second pulse on... this creates the effect that the water is in a situation where electrical energy is generated thru it... because of the configuration, and this "energy? amps.. what you want to call .. flow to charge back the transformer.. together with the collapse of the chokes...
there is a sequence of at least 2 pulses needed i guess ...
if i would do a block diagram the cell would be in the middle of the transformer and the chokes if you get what i mean...
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i think is here where the magic comes the result is unexpected... we don't really know if the amps goes to zero in the secondary ckt... i guess when the chokes revert its voltage the cells have the impetus to break the molecule where unrestricted current would flow.. however the choke wouldn't allow...
I=V/R
Meyer told that the electrical resonance would happen at whatever voltage level.. not the water resonance..
True
actually resonance in water means that it is able to jump one electron to another higher energy position in the molecule...
I don't think that is what Meyer described.
You really need to listen to Meyers explanation again in his videos. It works exactly as he says it does.
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in a capacitor or a conductor in a medium the electric fields present are dependent only on charge (voltage) and geometry not only ohms law..
meyer describe this resonance or delocalization of electron... in new zealand...
i'm going straight to the point of the energy of the molecules..
free H atoms are in a higher energy state if there is a region of high concentration of the same it will very unlikely reform to h2o but would instead become h2 as explained more or less in eccles patent...
water is the lowest energy state possible... what is happening is that water when splitter becomes free atoms which than becomes gas molecules, they now are trapped in this new form and need an activation energy to recombine so its pretty much like a forbidden transition backwards...
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actually resonance in water means that it is able to jump one electron to another higher energy position in the molecule...
Dear friend,
This is an interesting theory. How did you come up with that?
cheers
Dear Steve, is the same theory i've being working on since i learned the subject a little more in the university but now i'm able to identify better where things should go to get the thing into the water...
the problem is this is an invisible quest i tried this same diagram in the past with no success but i now understand things that i was simply too confuse to see in the past... every drawing i do makes it clearer and i done thousands of drawings! without this clearness i can't proceed is like playing videogame worthless... instead i always go from a idea first.. with the idea strong you can do wonderful things.. now i'm making my pll circuit into a aluminum case.. not for fun.. but because i need to protect my computer which keeps shutting down when i hit high voltages.. also the speekers seems to send some morse code ...
i believe the aluminum case is not just esthetic choice.. is a good way to keep the signal away from the boards and away from the power source..
i designed a beautiful case for the variable charging chokes i used pieces of aluminum and pieces of an antena to make it slide nice... along with a central bolt that makes the core into and out perfectly... now i;m making customized electrical connectors to guaranty no sparks on the case..
for sake of clarity well i'm applying a positive and a negative charge to my cells.. and the chokes there between the cells should do the trick... you see my point? chokes restrict the current.. won't allow current to change suddenly.. so you can apply high voltage and in the end you just charged it... but the cell got charged also even at this restricted current..
if you get your self in the elevator your free from electric fields or interferences of outside (not even if the elevator is charged to 1 million volts)(although the potential inside will be 1 million volts the electric field is zero... but if you carry whatever charge inside with you this charge goes to the outside,, because at the internal of the elevator an opposite charge will face it and causing the outer electrons to rearrange propagating the original electric field of the base charge... basic physics 3
for me the elevator is your outer tube..
Meyer says you get amps restricted... in his designs he got the amp meter only on the input.. maybe?
in my point of view as water cracks it can be ionized... if the potential is high enough and probably thats where the electron extraction that takes place... if that happened it should become a self oscillating system.. generating its own electricity..
for God sake this is just my feelings about it!
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that has also been on my mind..
If the high voltage is able to ionize the molecule and even maybe the atoms of it, then you found the gold.
This might lead towards cold fusion as well.
Meyer often stated that he was able to create a gas that had magnetic propertys for his epg.
And yessss. You must be able to create electricity as well, because of all freed electrons...
have a good weekend!
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My weekend will be at work.. non stop! i need to finish this aluminum case to proceed luckly today i hope to finish..
I believe the the is a sequence of events...
Electrical Polarization Process
molecular alignment and stretching of the molecules where it goes to the point where you have a sort of plasma... in the plasma state the electrons and ions will be far appart (there is a potential into them) here comes resonant action to get the job done... meyer refer this to movement back and forth of the ions causing collision in the cell..
from groobs book
Insulator Discharge Current
An insulator in contact with a voltage source stores charge, producing a potential on the insulator. The charge tends to remain on the insulator, but it can be discharged by one of the following methods:
1. Conduction through a conducting path. For instance, a wire across the charged insulator provides a discharge path. Then the discharged dielectric has no potential.
2. Brush discharge. As an example, high voltage on a sharp pointed wire can discharge through the surrounding atmosphere by ionization of the air molecules. This may be visible in the dark as a bluish or reddish glow, called the corona effect.
3. Spark discharge. This is a result of breakdown in the insulator because of a high potential difference that ruptures the dielectric. The current that flows across the insulator at the instant of breakdown causes the spark.
A corona is undesirable because it reduces the potential by brush discharge into the surrounding air. In addition, the corona often indicates the beginning of a spark discharge. A potential of the order of kilovolts is usually necessary for a corona because the breakdown voltage for air is approximately 20 kV/in. To reduce the corona effect, conductors that have high voltage should be smooth, rounded, and thick. This equalizes the potential difference from all points on the conductor to the surrounding air. Any sharp point can have a more intense field, making it more susceptible to a corona and eventual spark discharge.
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i finished the aluminum case for my pll circuit.. now it generates a clean square pulse very stable...
my gate frequency ranges goes 0-100% duty cycle
from 40hz up to 80
from 80 to 160
from 150 to 260
from 240 to 560
from 540 to 1399
from 1300 to 3800
can go lower or higher with hack up
the frequency mixer works cool too..
i think the aluminum case helped to ground any charge that was around on the circuit on wood , it also shields electromagnetic fields to a certain degree even with the case left open..thats why its more stable...
the only thing that is harder is that you need to think about insulation on the heatsink of the mosfet.. i used 3 screws with plastic washer on back and front so it gives a good insulation... and i pressed against an acrylic piece .. just to fixing it to the back of the case,,
i added a nice output for labview and constructed and special cable for it...
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Well my experiments are on going very nice
i reach a point where the cell has so much voltage charge that i arcs to whatever piece of insulated metal...
i found that grounding one side of secondary this is possible...
than i found something interesting in a frequency just bellow resonant frequency where you get the peak in voltage... there is a peak in impedance!
in my system i have a graph being plot in real time that helped me to seeing it. the impedance increase ten times. its just when the oscilloscope not connected show a sine wave (not the peak)...
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good stuff!!!
Thanks!
Like it!
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i'm glad you enjoyed, i'm having a nice and hard time here i fell its almost there... i will keep on testing..
i have it boiling on my mind for weeks.. .
the ground stuff i referred to before.. grounding one side the other side will be at higher voltage potential.. so the voltage is at the cell! and its double
if i get the oscilloscope probe close to the grounded secondary the signal is small.. on the cell the signal is very high!!!
the same for the sparks.. arcs to the metallic insulated parts.. only where high voltage really is..
i'm going to connect to the yard ground... till now is just connected to the aluminum case..
by the way it worked well as a shield and now my computer gets crazy less often at a higher input
i input around 80 watts and i felt like only 30 or so was being dissipated on the resistors across the primary with diode.
acuatlly i can draw arcs from whatever electrode from the cell to a metallic insulated part like a screw driver... even those not connected.. of course the connected ones sustain huge sparks..
i have 100 turns on the primary and i got to reduce my secondary some because it shorted out..
i found that enveloping the core into a plastic tape is a must to try get rid of this problem.. because this way the bobbins enter more firm and equal spaced from the core.. no touching.. so the core keeps insulated..
i'm going to do this to the core with the chokes too at least on the inner sides and round..
meyer compare voltage potential to magnetic on colorado video he states that when you glue a magnet to an iron bar it becomes potential energy.. you cannot break the field... voltage cannot be consumed..
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i found that my design of the bobbins were weak... i'm making new bobbins with at least 2mm at each side of insulation from the core.. also from inside.. this should give a better strength. i made it with less space.. so it has exactly 32mm width for 20mm diameter.. the hole is 16mm diameter and the outside width where the core fits has 36mm so there is a little gap left on core....
so 2mm each side.. from core.. thats where i'm starting with... there are more or less 100 turns per layer and it fits better than my previous winding... because the bobbin was made just to the measure of the wire... is now easier to wind up with less trouble.. living and learning.. thanks to ant for telling me he can make them in 45 minutes =) i took 1 and half hour to make 50% just now..
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all my theory relies on what meyer says and what i found that supports it, that voltage should can be put to perform work.. how its potential energy...voltage is is proportional to charge and electric fields depends on voltage and geometry...
the greatest misconception in science is that you can simply take the voltage the distance and get the electric field..
voltage is just like gravity or magnetic field but it can be instantly turned on and off and even modulated...
when you charge something with voltage it has electric fields around it... the decay of this electric field in space depends on the geometry...
thats why i keep asking to you where really is the ground? how thick in an insulator is really effective?
when you send uni[polar] voltage fields to water stan says water molecules gets electrically intensified this mean you increase the dipole moment... (the dielectric value)... in barium titanate the charge delocalization leads to a incredible 3000er permeability
i believe the action really is to find a frequency in the end where the molecules break
that depends on some parameters
i'm planing two ways of getting it tested to get a good range to understanding.
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I agree that frequency is key. With the correct frequency (resonant), less amperage is required because this is when the efficiency reaches its maximum. It's like the difference between opening a safe with dynamite and a combination. This is the only way Meyer was able to obtain an energy gain which allowed his system to power itself once it was up and running. Like a gasoline engine, his system required battery power to get the process started, but once started, was able to return the power consumed during startup and begin harvesting the continuing gains in energy output.
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yes i guess you are right... i think the key is to get the resonance at the right freq and get the proper timing to affect the water... there may be a leakage current that we want to avoid.. but that won't matter if we release a lot of gas for it..
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today i constructed means for changing water level and purity gradually for tests...
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i think i'm getting closer... i saw some small bubbles... at around 20kv and gating i got the frequency doubling wave resonance too triplicating quadruplicating too..
i'm using my old 40kv probe attached to a ac+dc true rms meter...
the problem is that my bobbins are arching over.. now i guess need to coil the chokes again with the new bobbins i prepared. .
my new secondary seem to have blew up also(arc) on the sides but not to core! the bobbin now is good... maybe my winding was not very nice on last layers .. mysterious the diodes didn't burn =) not so mysterious... i think now i'm using it right.. and maybe the last layers are burning because of the high voltage just like should happen to water..
maybe a good idea to fill with oil... or vacuum...
my pumped filter now works very nicely it can recirculate water, filter it, change level, it also helps to fill in and out the water cell...
again it was clear a region just after frequency doubling and before resonant peak a frequency range with higher impedance..
with or without anything connected
may have to do with the secondary..
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i fell the problem with my new secondary could be that i added insulation to some points of imperfection in willing to have a more uniform coil... in the end i'm thinking that this points actually has a smaller capacitance and so voltage can be creating more stress on that points... also this consists of impedance discontinuity somehow.. so any imperfection is punished!
i still think the better idea would be getting insulation between the layers maybe varnish would help also take the air out of it..
although the coils won't probably fit well to the cores... there will still be the need to encapsulate them to get the high voltage..
all starts with a corona blue discharge.. than the arc so the air is also part of the problem...
i'm using my last 600 meters of this double coated wire than i don't know what to do... i ran out of it and without any to get more =(
is no trivial to get high voltage out of this coils.. i got it but now i'm seeing the problem..
or maybe thats not the voltages required?
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Start with lower voltage on your primary Fabio. Like 2V. You don't need to blast it up right at the start.
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Hi ts good to see you here...
i have now many kinds of coils being tested.. i can go from 2 v up to 100v in the primary... and saw up to 300 w going into my big vic...
the smaller takes maximum 100w..
some of the power get out heating the resistors across the primary..
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There's no reason whatsover to try to push the voltage up that high! I'm now concerned about your safety.
I am pretty sure your major issue still is that you are still current saturating your primary.
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well i tried to create a stable system capable of working for long time without burning and having to change parts... thats was my goal to be able to push it if i wanted during tests to see what are the boundaries..
i tried many different primary coils... as i said is hard to get it saturated because is working as a ringing transformer that means that the primary is only allowed to get energy from source when the voltage into it induced back from the resonance allow... when the voltage is in the counter phase for example... when it reverts althought the transistor is still close no current can flow.. since the voltage is blocking ... it it wasnt for the blocking diode in series from the power supply it would recharge the power supply filter capacitor...
now i´m using 24 awg for smal core primary and 18 awg for the big core..
i didnt want it to heat.. or damage somehow...
the feedback also get 24 awg or 18 if remember well...
the only thing that concerns me is that i can light a bulb with the radiation and so probably it could be making something to me... hope not that bad...
i was planning to make a faraday cage but the money less times is preventing me to do somethings to be able to do others...
the current can go up to 3 amps 100v without problems... and even higher.. maybe up 5 amps... more than that the variac would suffer... it gets 220v 2,5amps than goes to a step down i created using similar variac and wounding 100v of turns.. with thick wire so can get up to 10 amps out at low voltage input...
winding a new coil right now...
very bealtiful design...
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...restrict amps....
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what restricts the amp is the coil.... i just trying to put more to have something to restrict,,
the primary is the input if i restrict there very little to no power gets to the water... so far i believe that meyer did it with extremelly low power... he indeed said he used 40w to do something... so for me i´m not so out of track... i´m interfacing the electronics to get the results i need to acomplish my theory aspects to see if it really works..
the choke should restrict the current shooting the cell at a very high voltage... the diode should allow the field to collapse without discharging of the capacitor..
i really have no doubt that using same wire and wire resistances of meyer could help getting it work... just having 600t 29awg as primary give me no high voltage whatsoever...
and for my theory to work i need high voltage... low current... so i just need to accomplish the task...
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what restricts the amp is the coil.... i just trying to put more to have something to restrict,,
the primary is the input if i restrict there very little to no power gets to the water... so far i believe that meyer did it with extremelly low power... he indeed said he used 40w to do something... so for me i´m not so out of track... i´m interfacing the electronics to get the results i need to acomplish my theory aspects to see if it really works..
the choke should restrict the current shooting the cell at a very high voltage... the diode should allow the field to collapse without discharging of the capacitor..
i really have no doubt that using same wire and wire resistances of meyer could help getting it work... just having 600t 29awg as primary give me no high voltage whatsoever...
and for my theory to work i need high voltage... low current... so i just need to accomplish the task...
That's not what Meyer said. Meyer said to restrict the amps, or turn off the amps.
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i know ts, he also said he was going to consume little power to do so too...
2 amps 5 amps.. at 12v probably..
i´m letting the cell and choke system to restrict the amps actually also the diode takes some part into it..
i´m only interpreting meyer diferently than most. not that i think i´m wrong or right..
for example the last tests i was working at 50khz.. my feedback in the pllworks now and it maintain the high voltage... also locks when tuning the gate...
i´m pretty anxious to see my new smurf coil firing ... just finished winding... 600t secondary.. 60t per layer 0,25mm insulation per layer.. triple coated wire.. 0,45mm probably is 30awg..
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i have a challenge for you...
where is the suppression in the patent in the attachment?
what it is about?
what could be hide in those -- ?
this patents has being first written completely with the all theory than... he took away few words.. .
so the challenge is there..
i just noticed it so i wanted to share with you... i noticed because i thought something else should complete the sentence with my theory..
good day
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it seems i´m generating some gas but its getting glued to the electrodes and will only exit when i turn down the variac voltage to zero...
this may mean that the gas is somehow charged...
8kv pulse going...
now the wave form is something like i wanted it to be and designed it to be too...
in this case i seem to have touched the saturation limit.. as there is huge noize and impedance drop above certain current input...
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it seems i´m generating some gas but its getting glued to the electrodes and will only exit when i turn down the variac voltage to zero...
this may mean that the gas is somehow charged...
maybe equal opposite charge in a short circuit ? when its zero theres nothing holding it to the plate
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it seems i´m generating some gas but its getting glued to the electrodes and will only exit when i turn down the variac voltage to zero...
this may mean that the gas is somehow charged...
8kv pulse going...
now the wave form is something like i wanted it to be and designed it to be too...
in this case i seem to have touched the saturation limit.. as there is huge noize and impedance drop above certain current input...
Another reason for what I was explaining to you. Your core is saturated. You want it to completely release its charge. It's not doing that because you aren't limiting the current.
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a flyback transformer in discontinuous mode transfers all stored energy but then it is diode dependent
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ts my core is collapsing yes... the coil has no resistance yet... i just put this resistance in the discharge path...
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the voltage in my primary is restricted to 800v during the colapse... by protection means... so the secondary will see max also 8kv since 1:10.... very nice indeed......
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really wish you all could see what i´m seeing...
my theory seems promising... many more things makes sense now... if i prove it you will be happy to know that you are going to see it.
please anyone willing to donate?
i will update my pll circuit and share who do it when the goal of having the probe here in my hands is achieved..
it will be able to survive this 800 v in the primary... to lock in resonant load.. and have all features of stan pll design...
if you believe this probe can help, please donate.
if you believe that helping me is a good idea please donate.
i real hope for good with this... hope you understand my point... dollars costs 4 times more than real now and keep raising... so its getting harder everyday to get that probe here....
i´m not disapointed with anyone, but wished better for we are getting so many reads in this topics...
to donate
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=sebosfato%40gmail%2ecom&lc=US&item_name=Sebosfato%20Probe%20Crowdfunding&item_number=1¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donateCC_LG%2egif%3aNonHosted
we still need around 900,00 dollars or euros equivalent... please dont let another day without helping.. you can be part of the change!!!!!
thanks sincerely
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i think lurkers dont like when it gets to the botton problem...
open your eyes
are you satisfied? with the life you are living
exudus movement of jah people..
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gotta give a few of em benefit of the doubt...they may be poor like most of us.I wish I could help and send funds but im out of work now myself and have 0 dollars myself.
Ive found a neat little water heater im beginning to start working with, other than that I haven't advanced much....kinda the same o stuff either have time and no money or money...no...I never have any money lol.I still keep looking for a feasible way for us o poor boys can get the job done.I think this salvagable water heater will help eventually.
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hello K.S. thanks for you message is better to see when people dont donate because they cant, instead of they dont want,,, wish better for your finances too... luck with the heater too...
i´m working in the vic theory...
i´m about to make the same tests i did as my first tests when i just started this... it seems that my intuition back in 2007 was indeed good... of course today i know how to make a transformer, how to use insulation... and what i´m doing...
once i get this to work man... my idea is to reduce the price to build so you and anyone could do it if want... but the plan would be to mass product it to get it to the all world and get the goods of it back to the who mostly needs.
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lets me guide you to do the following reasoning
stan said the secondary may have a segment that form a resonant charging choke...
he also said that the diode will prevent the cell from discharging during the off pulse...
doesn´t it mean that the cell would want to discharge? why would it be forced to discharge?
have you ever saw a microwave oven diagram?
in my opinion the choke is to be added in series with the diode and the cell as the field zones...
i´m working in this concept...
actually microwaves works on 60hz... the vic can vary the frequency of the electric fields beingpulsed..
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lets me guide you to do the following reasoning
stan said the secondary may have a segment that form a resonant charging choke...
he also said that the diode will prevent the cell from discharging during the off pulse...
doesn´t it mean that the cell would want to discharge? why would it be forced to discharge?
have you ever saw a microwave oven diagram?
in my opinion the choke is to be added in series with the diode and the cell as the field zones...
i´m working in this concept...
actually microwaves works on 60hz... the vic can vary the frequency of the electric fields beingpulsed..
Its been a while but it seems you should treat it as an electrolysis cell with exponential properties.
Would need the amp restriction like a wire across battery terminals does...? A diode in that reference seems to disconnect a terminal during the off pulse?
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hello newguy what you mean?
in a way yes is like the diode disconnected one of the terminals as it opens the circuit...
stan said the secondary may have a segment that form a resonant charging choke...
he also said that the diode will prevent the cell from discharging during the off pulse...
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the diode connects like a wire across battery terminals as pulse is going in and then disconnects when pulse is off...I think it should just be clear to treat it like an electrolysis cell.
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the diode connects like a wire across battery terminals as pulse is going in and then disconnects when pulse is off...I think it should just be clear to treat it like an electrolysis cell.
yes i think i got what you say... the diode allow the current to flow only in one direction... but i´m not sure we should treat as just a electrolysis cell... as in this you would have just couple of volts not couple of thousand volts
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i have a challenge for you...
where is the suppression in the patent in the attachment?
what it is about?
what could be hide in those -- ?
this patents has being first written completely with the all theory than... he took away few words.. .
so the challenge is there..
i just noticed it so i wanted to share with you... i noticed because i thought something else should complete the sentence with my theory..
good day
Is there mention of a DC component in that or any of his patents?
....reading that patent...... I see he does say " providing a capacitor" I assume it its expected to know a capacitor is charged with DC....Im still reading...ive got to see how he explains the DC component.
Further reading he says " the voltage polarity on the plates which create the voltage fields remains constant" .....still reading again....oh well he don't hide the DC component...the waveform he shows is never at zero....good challenge Seb.... I just cant find it :/
What did you actually mean? You found it?
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i have a challenge for you...
where is the suppression in the patent in the attachment?
what it is about?
what could be hide in those -- ?
this patents has being first written completely with the all theory than... he took away few words.. .
so the challenge is there..
i just noticed it so i wanted to share with you... i noticed because i thought something else should complete the sentence with my theory..
good day
there are two phrases where it seem to me according to my theory there should be something else writen instead you find a couple of -- . this is the part where he explain the process to switch off the covalent bound. the core of the technology..
i found this when i wanted to re-read it again to see if anywhere it had anything talking about my idea. and there was a couple of -- again... although its speculative... for me it gave me almost sure that my theory is correct as i could complete the phrase with my theory where there is this space.
this is the world patent i´m not sure if in the other similar patents there is this indication... but its the only patent of the subject off all kinds japonese,americn, european,... that show the vic with all coils and the polarities of they....
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what if the secondary of the vic should be seeing as a secondary of a magnetic switch?
i mean the chokes connect to the powersupply dc and the secondary acts as a high voltage unbreakable switch... a pulse transformer
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i ran some tests and the vic got tremendously hot... the impedance on the primary was around 6 for 30v 5 amps would be consumed...
the impedance is maintained at all voltage levels but may decrease at limit i only went half power... seemed too much...
the freq was 200khz and the choke on top got very hot so as the core....probably cause of the primary heat and high frequency...
i was wondering what xxxx no bubbles at all
20kv 650t sec+choke 20t primary
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i ran some tests and the vic got tremendously hot... the impedance on the primary was around 6 for 30v 5 amps would be consumed...
the impedance is maintained at all voltage levels but may decrease at limit i only went half power... seemed too much...
the freq was 200khz and the choke on top got very hot so as the core....probably cause of the primary heat and high frequency...
i was wondering what xxxx no bubbles at all
20kv 650t sec+choke 20t primary
Listen I'm going to be very honest with you. Without the differential probe there is no way you can know the voltage you are getting to your exciter array as you are simply flying in the blind.
Here is the problem(s) with you saying things like that out of pride.
1. Meyer states that the working voltages are between 10 and 20 kv so either he or you are not being truthful.
2. The wires insulation that you are using simply can not withstand much over 8.5kv and there is no getting around this as those are the physical properties of the wire that you are using.
3. Pumping in 5 amps in to the primary which is only of 22 to 30 AWG will over heat the wire as it simply isn't rated to take such current flows of that magnitude.
4. 200kHz is far too high for this technology. If you built everything as close to that of Meyer's technology then it will resonate in the same frequency ranges between 2.5-10kHz. Again you need the differential probe to be able to see this which is why I donated to you so that you could get one and start to actually see what is taking place at your exciter array in real time. The waveform needs to look similar to that of figure 10-5 in the SMTB and the only way you are going to be able to see this is by getting a differential probe.
When you run around pretending to be doing something you are not you spit in the face of Meyer and people like me that are actually running experiments and reading data with the proper equipment to do so. You have gotten yourself all puffed up full of pride to the point where you have to start believing in these false claims as you have backed yourself in a corner among your peers. If you don't have the right equipment there is simply no way that you can view what you are doing and that is a fact you are going to have to admit too hopefully sooner than latter. If not then what is the point of running a crowdfunding campaign aimed at getting the differential probe? I am sorry I have to do this but like I said your claims are spitting in the faces of those of us that have the correct equipment and into the person's technology we are all working on Stanley A. Meyer himself as he tells us the working voltages of the exciter array in the patents are between 10kv and 20kv. As you can see with the claims you are making you are causing problems for those of us actually working on Meyer's technology with the proper equipment as your claims state that you are getting upwards of 50kv to your exciter array which is a whole 30kv over what Meyer states to be the working voltages of the exciter array. Do you see the problem with your claims yet? As for your claims to be true then Meyer must be a lying and if that is the case why should any of us be working on a technology where the person is to be known as a liar? One of you aren't telling the truth and I am leaning towards the words of Stanley A. Meyer's to be truthful as if not then whats the point?
Shalom,
TGS
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yes man, i still missing the probe... i´m working on selling some equipments we have here to put together with the donations to be able to buy the probe. now i have some friends trying to help with that too. today we got another 25$...
anyway i just feel i cannot stop as i already have some other ways to see the waveform the vic is emiting and how much power its consuming... and everything...
the reason i get no single bubble was that the water was 0 ppm, most dont know what this mean...
it means no ion will get discharged... very pure water.... over 5kohm per cell
yesterday we got a good rain and i changed the water with 4ppm... now i see that creamy gas... but still not what i wanted... with this water the voltage was limited to 10kv didnt reach 20kv.. because the charging coil was working harder to charge the cell....the impedance didnt change, this may mean that the core is puting the max it can to each bobbin...
now let me show you some:
every layer there are 60 turns of triple coated teflon wire...30 awg it has 0,45mm of diameter... itr should survive at least 4kv touching the ground... so i add for each layer yet more 4kv insulation... 1 layer of 0,225mm polyesters
why i should not get 20kv? if only my ten layers provide me 40kv isolation without considering the wire super insulation? yet there are 2mm or 3mm between the ends of the coil and the coil former so the insulation layer prevent arcs from layer to layer... in oil this could get very much higher voltages yet... but i didnt put in oil...
the primary 20t 24awg
a man owner of a transformer manufactory in italy toldme to use 4 amps per square millimiter as design limitation... and 8A/sqmm if in oil... this was back in 2008...
so far i concluded it works for industry should work for me..
i´m not being disrespectfull with meyer for hiting the water with 20 30 40 50 kv it just told me is not as simple to make it work as it is to getting this high voltage levels there...
i have my theory that i´m working on and i still think it will work... hope soon...
sometimes i fell so bad for not having this probe yet that i stay few hours just thinking not even go test.... very sad... so i´m trying to get around this bad feeling.. and work! work ! work!
i´m full of cafeine and energetics since many weeks working and thinking at this non stop,,, i dont think i could be regarded as lier... i will post some pics... maybe that can help you see that i´m not fooling around...
my driver is totaly different than meyer to start with... where i can pulse up to 100v 5a with easy... and the igbts i use have a protection and snubbing sytem that allow the primary to collapse to 800v
800x30=24kv for example...
so even if i start with 30v 5 amps... this 5 amps become 900 as it enters the 180ohm resistor in series with the flyback diode in connected in parallel with the primary.;..
this times the ratio between primary and secondary you get the instant voltages across the coils...
with one coil over the other the coupling gets good and everything work as it should with the math...
when i got 50kv and over i was doing in oil with different setups... those 3 coils with almos 300meters and smal primary... the frequency was indeed lower... but guess what.. no gas and no theory for that to work...
meyer always jumped the vic in the presentations... the one with all coils on the same core..
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I would really like talk more about the theory i´m working on.. but what would prevent big oil to read it too?
when i talked about the supression in the patent -- i wanted you to see that meyer or someone took away few words out of it... and if did so probably also changed the text to still be readable.
so i tell you where he show this -- the should be something to complete the phrase. it apear only when he talks about the switch off of the covalent bound (his theory)...
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Intresting topic.
How to switch off a bond according to meyer.
I believe that he used that avalanche of electrons thing, i wrote about.
How else can you ever also create electricity, as meyer said in the new sealand video?
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i think that avalanche would be a step further but the bounds would break by the process of polarization that he created first ...
in my opinion this avalanche would possibly occur due to the way the pulse must be to acomplish the switch off of the bounds... meyer clearly stated that he was manipulating the potential to mess with the electric fields that comes out of charged bodies.. we agree on that...
Paul brown stated that when you get ions or free electrons for example in an electric field you get power so you can create electricity with that...
i still honestly dont know much about the eec but my circuit anaylisis to what was shown in the patent and in mix with my theory i guess the EEC is getting the electrons out during gate times...
maybe the system is more complex than we ever imagined or would it be maybe just simpler that what i imagine...
according to my theory the gas will come out possibly ionized... if i could be able to charge the cell alligning the molecules subsequentialy switching off the covalent bound of the molecules...with restricted current and than allow the pulse to collapse in a manner that the diode acts as a blocking diode impeeding the cell to discharge..
stan called the chokes resonant charging chokes....and he said they would double the frequency...
he say the cell is isolated electricaly
the diode would not burn and still should be working at kv ranges..
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in my new vic all coils over the others... primary is at the botton than secondary than choke...
the purity of the water changes the charging current so the charging current thru the choke in the way i have it connected makes the flux oposite to the primary so the secondary which has zero current or so flowing thru it receives a slower voltage inducement as its voltage will be dependent on how much current is flowing in the choke that counters the flux of primary ...
adding capacitors to change the freq range the waveform of the potential of the cell is a step charge! during pulse on... it seems to oscilate at the frequency of the pulse forming network...
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yes man, i still missing the probe... i´m working on selling some equipments we have here to put together with the donations to be able to buy the probe. now i have some friends trying to help with that too. today we got another 25$...
anyway i just feel i cannot stop as i already have some other ways to see the waveform the vic is emiting and how much power its consuming... and everything...
the reason i get no single bubble was that the water was 0 ppm, most dont know what this mean...
it means no ion will get discharged... very pure water.... over 5kohm per cell
yesterday we got a good rain and i changed the water with 4ppm... now i see that creamy gas... but still not what i wanted... with this water the voltage was limited to 10kv didnt reach 20kv.. because the charging coil was working harder to charge the cell....the impedance didnt change, this may mean that the core is puting the max it can to each bobbin...
now let me show you some:
every layer there are 60 turns of triple coated teflon wire...30 awg it has 0,45mm of diameter... itr should survive at least 4kv touching the ground... so i add for each layer yet more 4kv insulation... 1 layer of 0,225mm polyesters
why i should not get 20kv? if only my ten layers provide me 40kv isolation without considering the wire super insulation? yet there are 2mm or 3mm between the ends of the coil and the coil former so the insulation layer prevent arcs from layer to layer... in oil this could get very much higher voltages yet... but i didnt put in oil...
the primary 20t 24awg
a man owner of a transformer manufactory in italy toldme to use 4 amps per square millimiter as design limitation... and 8A/sqmm if in oil... this was back in 2008...
so far i concluded it works for industry should work for me..
i´m not being disrespectfull with meyer for hiting the water with 20 30 40 50 kv it just told me is not as simple to make it work as it is to getting this high voltage levels there...
i have my theory that i´m working on and i still think it will work... hope soon...
sometimes i fell so bad for not having this probe yet that i stay few hours just thinking not even go test.... very sad... so i´m trying to get around this bad feeling.. and work! work ! work!
i´m full of cafeine and energetics since many weeks working and thinking at this non stop,,, i dont think i could be regarded as lier... i will post some pics... maybe that can help you see that i´m not fooling around...
my driver is totaly different than meyer to start with... where i can pulse up to 100v 5a with easy... and the igbts i use have a protection and snubbing sytem that allow the primary to collapse to 800v
800x30=24kv for example...
so even if i start with 30v 5 amps... this 5 amps become 900 as it enters the 180ohm resistor in series with the flyback diode in connected in parallel with the primary.;..
this times the ratio between primary and secondary you get the instant voltages across the coils...
with one coil over the other the coupling gets good and everything work as it should with the math...
when i got 50kv and over i was doing in oil with different setups... those 3 coils with almos 300meters and smal primary... the frequency was indeed lower... but guess what.. no gas and no theory for that to work...
meyer always jumped the vic in the presentations... the one with all coils on the same core..
Take the time to go over this chart and you will see what are the capabilities of the wire you are using: http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm
You will see that the maximum amperage that can be pushed through 24 AWG wire for power transmission is just over 1/2 an amp, and for chassis wiring it's 3.5 amps. Anything over this will cause the wire to heat up and eventually burn out. This is how I lost one of my transformers at the 2013 Global BEM by over driving the wires capabilities.
I went from this to this:
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I can see that your sticking to your claim of 50kv being applied to your exciter array and will say that it looks like I wasted $50 bucks. I'm fine with that as it was a gamble and a long shot anyways. There is one thing you should add to your work and that's to get to know the wires full capabilities as that is the physics part of all of this for you can't exceed the wires capabilities all that much for the wire will fail in some way when being pushed over it's limits. I wish you all the best.
Shalom,
TGS
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you did a very good investment with your donation and as so its reserved for when i have how to get the probe... ii´m not claiming anything... i´m doing....
i´m free to think and will do so until i die.
i dont know how you can doubt that...
there will be always someone one step ahead of us... i remember that everyday... do you?
i also wish you all the best and that you prove your theory working... i´m here just trying to prove mine too...
i wished that everyone could try their own theory so some could end up correct.. more differences more chances..
also sometimes feel i even waste my time and eforth explaining what i´m doing, still do it so because i´m so nice...
my theory could be totaly wrong although it has so much to do with meyer words... i hope its correct...but what if it were wrong... what if your theory were wrong and we were all working at it?
tragic i would say...
but hopefully you would get peace faster to know finaly if it work or not...
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you did a very good investment with your donation and as so its reserved for when i have how to get the probe... ii´m not claiming anything... i´m doing....
i´m free to think and will do so until i die.
i dont know how you can doubt that...
there will be always someone one step ahead of us... i remember that everyday... do you?
i also wish you all the best and that you prove your theory working... i´m here just trying to prove mine too...
i wished that everyone could try their own theory so some could end up correct.. more differences more chances..
also sometimes feel i even waste my time and eforth explaining what i´m doing, still do it so because i´m so nice...
my theory could be totaly wrong although it has so much to do with meyer words... i hope its correct...but what if it were wrong... what if your theory were wrong and we were all working at it?
tragic i would say...
but hopefully you would get peace faster to know finaly if it work or not...
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This is what drives me most of the time as the book this comes from is of my peoples history.
When it comes to what is the difference between something claimed and something verified the claim is never verified as the readers must take the person making the claim(s) word for it. When something is verified the person has shown his work so that others can read it and see that they are in fact doing as they claimed to do with some type of proof, bit it in a photo, video evidence, or second source verification. A claim without something backing it up like those that I mentioned is worthless.
I'm one for showing my work in a way that others can see that I am telling the truth about what I am talking about, but all of these negative attacks have taken there toll on me coupled with the reality that the cost to get the right type of hardware has went up so high that most simply are not going to be able to afford to continue their work once they run into and solve the high voltage problems I ran into. As a result I have given up on people as the cost are just too high for them. I just spent close to $5,000 USD to solve a problem I ran into concerning the enameled wire's physical properties. And when I look out as all those working on this I can see that spending $5,000 on something like this is just far out of their abilities to do as most are the working poor and thus can not afford to spend that kind of money for they simply don't have it to spend.
Now as for amp restriction as you have heard me talk about before; when the B+ and the B- voltages are equal the current is magnetically inhibited. When you do get a differential probe you will be able to view the B+ and B- voltages on the waveform present at the exciter array. You can add in a micro ammeter in line with the coming from the VIC transformer and the exciter array. From here you can toy around with the frequency and watch what happens when the B+ and B- voltages are equal and when the are not equal. You will be able to see with your own eyes that when B voltages are not equal the current will be flowing and as you get them to be equal the current will keep getting less and less the more equal the two opposing voltages are equal intensity to one another. This effect is the magnetic amp inhibiting process Meyer talks about in some of his lecture videos. By carefully adjusting the frequencies I have been able to get the amps down to under 0.5 mA. This is something you will be able to see and test once you get a differential probe. Balance is the key to restricting the amps as the closer the B+ gets equal to the B- voltage the more amps will be restricted by the chokes.
Without a differential probe you really don't see much of anything too include how many volts you are applying to your exciter array in real time. It is a necessary tool that we must have in order to be able to tell just what we are sending to our exciter arrays.
Well, I think it's time for me to leave these forums for a while as there is not much I can do for people with all of these Naysayers running the show. People want pats on the back instead of the hard hitting truth so I'm out.
Shabbat Shalom,
TGS
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ok i will try to put some images so you will finally believe me.... probably also others too will...
i see how much the people fight with you by your strong character, dont let this get you down...in this forum there are very few people, all very interested into see the thing working...
i´m really happy tg see you spending 5k$ onto what you believe... this is what i have spend every year into the project as is more or less how much i have earned per year in the last 3 years.... i spend most that i earn
there are not many doing it like me or you... thats some of our difference... but there may be some we never heard of...
i have created an istagram account.... for posting pictures so you can follow me there #fabiotorturella
it will be good because now i will be able to take the picture of the phone and upload more easily...
thans for explaining your amp restriction theory... in my tests it work just the same...maybe i have a similar setup as you with a miliampmeter.. if the potential difference is zero on the chokes no current should flow....but it does as you saw it too..
specially if you get corona and other type of discharge in air...
i never complain discussing... sometimes is benefical to get some suporting messages but i also think that whatever discussion intentioned to make think is better!
Best Regards
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When does a theory become a law? See if this sounds familiar: Scientists begin with a hypothesis, which is sort of a guess of what might happen. When the scientists investigate the hypothesis, they follow a line of reasoning and eventually formulate a theory. Once a theory has been tested thoroughly and is accepted, it becomes a scientific law.
The problem found in these forums is that of acceptance due to the fact people don't have the right equipment to run the same set of experiments that I am doing. You see I just talked about my observations of an experiment that showed what happens when the B+ and B- voltage fields are approximately equal verse them being unequal. But because none of you can't run the same experiments, due to not having the necessary equipment or the will to do so, you will not accept my observations.
This is what Meyer shows us in the SMTB of what the waveform should resemble something like this:
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But when you have everything hooked up correctly, like the three of us, and run the actual experiments the waveform's actually looks like these shown here:
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The primary difference from Max's shown at the top and mines shown placing 7.5kv to the exciter array are the load which we placed on the VIC transformer. Mines has 10 resonant cavities hooked up in series and Max's has only 2 resonant cavities hooked up in series, I am not sure how many resonant cavities outlawstc has hooked up in series so he will be the one that must tell you that information if he so chooses to do so. Now we differ on the load being placed on the VIC transformers, the turn ratios, and the inductance of our coil groups that make up the VIC transformer, plus the pulsing circuit we use. But we can compare work together as we have our set ups wired exactly the same and we have the same types of measuring equipment to allow us to see the same waveforms in real time. We all have differential probes. Anyone that doesn't have a differential probe can not participate with this level of information sharing. These are the facts that most of you are simply unwilling to accept as you run about bathing in ignorance, but I guess ignorance is bliss, right?
Now I ask K-Blade to search the world wide web and see if he could find a single person getting voltages as high as I am getting to their exciter arrays. Since I already know the results of such a search I will tell you all you just aren't going to find anyone getting voltages this high to their exciter arrays at this present moment in time. I'd even be glade to see someone reaching the voltages I reached while at the Global Breakthrough Energy Movement back in 2013. So, what does this say about my work? It says that I have ran across problems and solved them that most of you simply don't know exist yet. And it also says that I am ahead of all of you if you believe the words of Stanley A. Meyer as it is his words that tell us the working voltages of the exciter array is between 10,000 and 20,000 volts, not mines.
You see when I solve a problem I have no choice but to follow the solutions to the problems I found. This one solution that cost me close to $5,000 USD, guess what? You are going to run into that same problem too and the solution to that problem someone out there jacked the prices up on us big time. And no, you are not going to get around it as some of you like to think you can do by out smarting physics. You see I have just kicked my can down the road a lot further than all of you but make no mistake we are all on the same road if solving Meyer's technology is your goal. I have to face the facts that when most of you come to this bridge you are simply not going to be able to afford to pay this toll so that you can get across this bridge and stay the course. Now I hope you all can understand why I have given up on most of you as due to no fault of your own someone out there has made getting this technology up and running very costly and thus has push this tech out of your financial reach. I'll keep up the good fight with the hopes that most of you can stay the course when you get to this bridge. Best of luck to us all.
Shalom,
TGS
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When does a theory become a law? See if this sounds familiar: Scientists begin with a hypothesis, which is sort of a guess of what might happen. When the scientists investigate the hypothesis, they follow a line of reasoning and eventually formulate a theory. Once a theory has been tested thoroughly and is accepted, it becomes a scientific law.
The problem found in these forums is that of acceptance due to the fact people don't have the right equipment to run the same set of experiments that I am doing. You see I just talked about my observations of an experiment that showed what happens when the B+ and B- voltage fields are approximately equal verse them being unequal. But because none of you can't run the same experiments, due to not having the necessary equipment or the will to do so, you will not accept my observations.
This is what Meyer shows us in the SMTB of what the waveform should resemble something like this:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/10_5VOLTAGECHARINGEFFECT.png) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/10_5VOLTAGECHARINGEFFECT.png.html)
But when you have everything hooked up correctly, like the three of us, and run the actual experiments the waveform's actually looks like these shown here:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/Maxswaveform_zps9f62fd25.png) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/Maxswaveform_zps9f62fd25.png.html)
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/personalpics009_zpscf31888c.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/personalpics009_zpscf31888c.jpg.html)
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/2015-08-09_112058_zpsvyspwktk.png) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/2015-08-09_112058_zpsvyspwktk.png.html)
The primary difference from Max's shown at the top and mines shown placing 7.5kv to the exciter array are the load which we placed on the VIC transformer. Mines has 10 resonant cavities hooked up in series and Max's has only 2 resonant cavities hooked up in series, I am not sure how many resonant cavities outlawstc has hooked up in series so he will be the one that must tell you that information if he so chooses to do so. Now we differ on the load being placed on the VIC transformers, the turn ratios, and the inductance of our coil groups that make up the VIC transformer, plus the pulsing circuit we use. But we can compare work together as we have our set ups wired exactly the same and we have the same types of measuring equipment to allow us to see the same waveforms in real time. We all have differential probes. Anyone that doesn't have a differential probe can not participate with this level of information sharing. These are the facts that most of you are simply unwilling to accept as you run about bathing in ignorance, but I guess ignorance is bliss, right?
Now I ask K-Blade to search the world wide web and see if he could find a single person getting voltages as high as I am getting to their exciter arrays. Since I already know the results of such a search I will tell you all you just aren't going to find anyone getting voltages this high to their exciter arrays at this present moment in time. I'd even be glade to see someone reaching the voltages I reached while at the Global Breakthrough Energy Movement back in 2013. So, what does this say about my work? It says that I have ran across problems and solved them that most of you simply don't know exist yet. And it also says that I am ahead of all of you if you believe the words of Stanley A. Meyer as it is his words that tell us the working voltages of the exciter array is between 10,000 and 20,000 volts, not mines.
You see when I solve a problem I have no choice but to follow the solutions to the problems I found. This one solution that cost me close to $5,000 USD, guess what? You are going to run into that same problem too and the solution to that problem someone out there jacked the prices up on us big time. And no, you are not going to get around it as some of you like to think you can do by out smarting physics. You see I have just kicked my can down the road a lot further than all of you but make no mistake we are all on the same road if solving Meyer's technology is your goal. I have to face the facts that when most of you come to this bridge you are simply not going to be able to afford to pay this toll so that you can get across this bridge and stay the course. Now I hope you all can understand why I have given up on most of you as due to no fault of your own someone out there has made getting this technology up and running very costly and thus has push this tech out of your financial reach. I'll keep up the good fight with the hopes that most of you can stay the course when you get to this bridge. Best of luck to us all.
Shalom,
TGS
-
When does a theory become a law? See if this sounds familiar: Scientists begin with a hypothesis, which is sort of a guess of what might happen. When the scientists investigate the hypothesis, they follow a line of reasoning and eventually formulate a theory. Once a theory has been tested thoroughly and is accepted, it becomes a scientific law.
The problem found in these forums is that of acceptance due to the fact people don't have the right equipment to run the same set of experiments that I am doing. You see I just talked about my observations of an experiment that showed what happens when the B+ and B- voltage fields are approximately equal verse them being unequal. But because none of you can't run the same experiments, due to not having the necessary equipment or the will to do so, you will not accept my observations.
This is what Meyer shows us in the SMTB of what the waveform should resemble something like this:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/10_5VOLTAGECHARINGEFFECT.png) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/10_5VOLTAGECHARINGEFFECT.png.html)
But when you have everything hooked up correctly, like the three of us, and run the actual experiments the waveform's actually looks like these shown here:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/Maxswaveform_zps9f62fd25.png) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/Maxswaveform_zps9f62fd25.png.html)
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/personalpics009_zpscf31888c.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/personalpics009_zpscf31888c.jpg.html)
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/2015-08-09_112058_zpsvyspwktk.png) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/h2opower/media/2015-08-09_112058_zpsvyspwktk.png.html)
The primary difference from Max's shown at the top and mines shown placing 7.5kv to the exciter array are the load which we placed on the VIC transformer. Mines has 10 resonant cavities hooked up in series and Max's has only 2 resonant cavities hooked up in series, I am not sure how many resonant cavities outlawstc has hooked up in series so he will be the one that must tell you that information if he so chooses to do so. Now we differ on the load being placed on the VIC transformers, the turn ratios, and the inductance of our coil groups that make up the VIC transformer, plus the pulsing circuit we use. But we can compare work together as we have our set ups wired exactly the same and we have the same types of measuring equipment to allow us to see the same waveforms in real time. We all have differential probes. Anyone that doesn't have a differential probe can not participate with this level of information sharing. These are the facts that most of you are simply unwilling to accept as you run about bathing in ignorance, but I guess ignorance is bliss, right?
Now I ask K-Blade to search the world wide web and see if he could find a single person getting voltages as high as I am getting to their exciter arrays. Since I already know the results of such a search I will tell you all you just aren't going to find anyone getting voltages this high to their exciter arrays at this present moment in time. I'd even be glade to see someone reaching the voltages I reached while at the Global Breakthrough Energy Movement back in 2013. So, what does this say about my work? It says that I have ran across problems and solved them that most of you simply don't know exist yet. And it also says that I am ahead of all of you if you believe the words of Stanley A. Meyer as it is his words that tell us the working voltages of the exciter array is between 10,000 and 20,000 volts, not mines.
You see when I solve a problem I have no choice but to follow the solutions to the problems I found. This one solution that cost me close to $5,000 USD, guess what? You are going to run into that same problem too and the solution to that problem someone out there jacked the prices up on us big time. And no, you are not going to get around it as some of you like to think you can do by out smarting physics. You see I have just kicked my can down the road a lot further than all of you but make no mistake we are all on the same road if solving Meyer's technology is your goal. I have to face the facts that when most of you come to this bridge you are simply not going to be able to afford to pay this toll so that you can get across this bridge and stay the course. Now I hope you all can understand why I have given up on most of you as due to no fault of your own someone out there has made getting this technology up and running very costly and thus has push this tech out of your financial reach. I'll keep up the good fight with the hopes that most of you can stay the course when you get to this bridge. Best of luck to us all.
Shalom,
TGS
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Brother your right, so right! when i mean i have a theory i have a hipotesis... really wish you can use the all special component you got... if you can send me some i would be love testing it too..
i stay today all day making ebay anounces for all the things i received as donations to raise the money for the probe...
today another 25$ was received so now we reached almost 150$ out of 1000 that i would need to get it
one of the things i´m trying to sell for example is a nobreak its prices 1200$ if i could sell this ... its 10kw one but i´m waiting for 6 months and little interest on it.. half of what i sell will go to the probe...
of course is somewhat prohibitive the transport prices but i have some good old video and radio and tv broadcasting trasmission compression equipment to sell.. mercado livre fabio torturella