A green and clean environment is a human right!
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hydrocars on July 20, 2012, 10:00:45 am
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Hey steve I built a geet fuel processor and Tested it for 3 days, I've went over everything and all is good. I cant seem to get it to run long, I think the setup is complete bullshit! I've even tried pure gas, the Gas changes colors and becomes unusable wich I find sad.
I've tried everything from heating the fuel etc,, The long it runs the less Ambient air required, eventually no ambient air is needed and then the engine slows then dies. I've tried everything and each time The same thing. I do not think the Geet is legit, I think its crap.
Based on my test, I think there's a bunch of BS on the web!!!
Any comments?
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Just show me a picture of yr setup.
You are right that as soon as the petrol is consumed, the ratio with air must be adjusted.
I noticed that my bottle became very cold, because of the vacuum.
Did yours do the same?
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Yes My bottle got so cold it sweated. I tried heating it with a heat gun and passing Exhaust heat on it. Did not help. Shaking the container helped the most. I tried recirculating the Exhaust fumes and it made it worse. The setup is * and does not work. Its pure crap! I even used pure gas and what I notices is the gas would change in color and become usless and Not consumed as if the fumes got pulled out and then whats left is useless. I mixed with several things and it did not do well but did start good then get worser over time. It seems that this is worser than the carburetor that was on it.
The setup did not provide enough power to hit the required RPM for the generator, the RPMS suffer. I think the Geet is a gag
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The secret behind the geet is the water gas shift reaction with CO to get CO2 and H2 .. it needs a cobalt catalyst and heat... It happens around 400°C... However i believe the reactor must only be a feed back not the petrol source... This you put in the tank. THe CO and unburned hydrocarbons shift reacts with water vapor and get into the engine together with the air and gasoline--
Read about it
This is the way hydrogen is being generated industrially where carbon residues are not a concern, i mean a highly pure hydrogen...
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If you have to have a ink pen and calculator in your pocket to get it to work then its worthless to everyone, no offense but nobody on this damn earth has that sorta time to get it to run, we have lifes. IT DONT WORK
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The car catalyser burns the CO with OXygen from the air and also burn the hydrocarbons not burned in the process...The geet put it to work...
The reaction i mentioned has a high efficiency this mean that for almost 80% of the CO coming out you will convert a water molecule...if i remember well
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Can you measure the temperatur of the outside tube of the geet?
That tube needs all the heat it can get. Insulate it.
Do you use an iron rod? You have to.
Do you measure with a compas a magnetic field at the geet?
Do you have enough space between the rod and the innertube?
If you would wrap a coil around the geet, you should see spikes on your scope....
Steve
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Btw, i also did not use the exhaust gasses....
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hydrocars has a history of being a careful and knowledgeable experimenter so his views should be given more weight in this matter
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Thanks jim! My first thought is the Air inlet hose was too small because the motor would act like it would start starving after a while. So I replaced the small hose with a bigger hose so that would not be the problem. It did not help the situation.
Stevie, Did you run your engine for over 30 mins'? Mine would run about that length of time, what I found is the fuel would become Unusable after you extracted the flammable vapor from it. you'de be left with an unusable tented liquid. It promised nothing and proved worse.
Once you replace with new fuel, once that temperature is meet, the idle speed is suffered with the air inlet completely shut off no matter the mix or quality of the fuel.
If you shake the fuel container it seems to idle the engine up a good bit. Shaking disturbs it more than Bubbling up threw it so it is good to keep the fuel on some sorta shaker. Near then end If I stopped shaking the fuel container it would die, give it a shake and it idle back up. I was very displeased with the results. Droping an Rod in the Intake Tube would only speed up the velocity of the fuel entering the intake and reduce the time the fuel was exposed to the reaction chamber, you could control this exposure rate by varying the size of the rod. Some guys just use a Cooling coil, that defeats the purpose of the system as shown. But if it proves true then it is possible the reaction chamber is becomming to hot and the fuel is to hot to burn so its smothering like a flame with a glas jar over it.
even if the correct temp is meet with this system, once the vapors are extracted from the gas whats left does not combust, its a useless liquid you end up with in the end. Someone prove me wrong?
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Hydrocars,I see you let the Meyer case aside ...i believe you...About the geet,how did you sealed the pipes?If you used plumer tape is not good because it isolates the iner pipe of the outerpipe,the two must be in contact,so try using gasked sealent.If not work,I don;t know what to say,but I'v seen a lot of replications that worked...Good luck with your experiments!!!
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You seen allot that worked for how long? No I didn't set it a side.
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solid weld adys15
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I understand hidrocars,I don't know what to say,i just read the free plans and listen to radio interwievs with Paul,if you live near to Paul go to one of his classes,if you have time and money to spend in that field:d ,About Stan case....you advanced somehow?i see people geting tired and all forums are dead...I also i am tired....the patens are not altered...the gear in reality is just like described in the patents...but still no replication and no crazy gas production to be able to run a car:(
Good luck with your experiments!!
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I have done whats in the plans of the geet, I am the only one it does not work for, I actually had plans on running mine for long periodes of time. The start out RPM is hardly enough to meet the grid voltage. It quickly drops. On stan, Just because its a patent doesn't mean anything. A man can invent a machine to do great things using Triangle waves at 13.5 Mhz hitting a resonate cavity which produces Microwaves that unlock certain things, like in the vacuum tube cavity. But he has the choice of using Square waves at 1000 Hz and a resonate cavity with produces X microwaves in all his patents. Just because you replicated what he put in the patent, which is incorrect, does not mean your machine can do what his does. All he did was gain a patent on his design.
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Yes you are right but what happens with all his tech that is constructed almost identical like in the patents just with minimal changes....
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Hydrocars,did you ask Narivasant or Paul Pantone himself your questions?
They are on the vortexheatexchanger@yahoogroup
Here the adress: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/VortexHeatExchanger/
Steve
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Thank you steve for this link, I will try and get to this soon!~ Adys that stuff can keep a person busy for a very long time, But I can assure you no camera has ever been pointed at any invention of stans that worked, and It want be found in any patent.
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How do you know this?or you assume?Then the video when his brother explains the GMS was a ''bait'' video because the gear looks just like estate photos that Don took,then the estate stuff is fake!!!
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I had to make a Yahoo Account. Then this ---
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What words could you use to describe this video to yourself? And who would those words apply to? Just saying. Posted for fun.
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I had to make a Yahoo Account. Then this ---
You are three quick steps away from joining VortexHeatExchanger.
All membership requests for VortexHeatExchanger need to be approved by the moderator. You will receive a confirmation email when your membership has been approved.
Note: You are currently signed-in as hydrocarsx. If you are not hydrocarsx, Sign-in as a different user.
Yes, Narivasant must approve it first.
It might take same days because he went out for 5 days.
Before the end of this week, you will be able to login, i suppose.
Steve
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ady15 you could read this if you like, I've read every stan patent and in 1 it talks about 10cc/sec. I've spent months looking threw all the patents trying to find it, "Its not there anymore." Also, there is a photo of stans buggy carrying an electric motor 18 inches in Diameter laying Horizontal just behind both seats between the seats. The photo was at the end of a video and was seen 4 or so years ago. (Thats Gone to.) I've brought attention to this Photo before and nobody can find it. I dont think anyone wants too.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/26376915/Juan-Carlos-Aguero-Dwvapour-EU-0405919A1-H2O
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Have you read that link I posted? I hope so. If you havent then dont bother with the next one.
Maybe this will provide you some more hope and motivate everyone? IT is not the tech it is dead, it is the people that has the knowledge, They're tired of being mistreated thats why you dont see any action.
This should entertain you for sometime atleast until you learn what to mix with what ;) And you can remember, A 2 stroke uses 3 times the gasoline a 4 stroke does because it Hits on every stroke not every 4 strokes. (They Eat Gas.) Thats why when you reRing a 2 stroke you must replace the Pistons, the groves will be worn out unlike on a 4 stroke. http://www.tngun.com/diy-steam-engine-boiler/
The water powered car is right around the corner, It will run people just isn't using their heads yet. Well, a few has but they aint talkin. The hydrogen powered car may be partially a steam car...
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I read that patent, some times...
I can only tell you that 10cc sec is not possible to run an auto engine... There is more to it.. the steam stuff also is somewhat strange..
Wouldn't it be nice if it was true?
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Hidrocars ,thanks I will read it.You say that some info in the patents have been taken...in wich patent have you seen 10cc/sec?I also read all the patents and not seen such a thing...As for the picture,you are saying about the first tv apearence of meyer buggy,and you reffering about the blue motor behind the seat,is still there,no alteration of the video,i saw your photo shoots and explanation of what the gear was...the blue motor you said is an inverter from 12v to --- maybe is using that for energising the rotor of the alternator...About the GMS video i don;t understand what you want to say with that...
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Inventions are often called hoaxes or frauds when it cannot be explained by conventional science.
Early videos by WTVN and eyewitness testimony in WFC Bulletin 2 suggest that the earliest version of the dune buggy could and did run for short distances. The engine was primed with a small amount of gasoline to get it started.
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Whatever physical phenomena can and must be explained. If it indeed can't be explained basically it can't be used. Despite it work or not. Not all patents are true, many of them are just ideas. Many of, from some rich guy with no scientific background who wanted to register his "great" idea.
There are many examples...
Some of them are just ideas which got patented for raising investors interest in the research... And don't work at all. Many people earn money for keep researching things that practically won't work.
Be aware of it when you chose who to believe...
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I read that patent, some times...
I can only tell you that 10cc sec is not possible to run an auto engine... There is more to it.. the steam stuff also is somewhat strange..
Wouldn't it be nice if it was true?
Well, its a subject that Hydrocars and me have discussed some years ago.
To understand all this, you must know how an engine works in detail.
Petrol gets in as a liquid and turns into vapour (expansion) and then explodes.
Hho is already vapour.
So, what will happen if you add one waterdrop?
That will expands in a ratio of 1:1800
Thats more then enough to push the piston down....
So, if you use hydrogen or hho, you would get more thrust out of the bang if you can turn the extra waterdrop into vapour/ steam.
You understand?
Steve
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I understand Steve. I had this idea myself some while ago, however studying more i noticed that is serious violation of the conservation of energy...
Actually many thought in the past that when water gas explode it becomes liquid water again, forming vacuum as result, actually its not true. The h2 and 02 liberates heat than it forms a super heated dry steam, that heats up the air and water vapor (humidity) to cause the pressure that pull down the piston. The heat derived from the combustion creates the extra pressure.
I thought this in the past if you add some right amount of vapor and pure H2 O2 or a mixture with some air, than all the energy of the gas will be transformed into pressure... Actually the vapor must be injected at a temperature where it becomes liquid under the compression pressure so it takes "little" energy to expand 1800 times.
So you need heat and H2 O2... I published in the past somewhere, and later abandoned the idea... The problems is that under pressure the temperature required for this vapor to expand is greater than 100°C so you need to generate the vapor and heat it somehow before injection.
Than the heat it must absorb to expand is given by the combustion of a certain amount of H2 O2.. .how much?
Well reason tell me that the heat must not be enough to make it detonates... The fact is that when the engine finish the compression cycle and the vapor get liquified by the compression, it than rapidly absorbs the energy from the combustion while still remaining liquid, when the pressure starts to drop due to the engine keep turning, the water get expand while pulling down the piston.
well it seems great!
However notice how first the vapor got to become liquid by compression!
The benefit to it might be that water might be able to absorb the energy more rapidly... And thus this phase transition will provide the pull force and not the heat expanding the gas... with "no" phase change...
If we had enough energy we could do this. Anyway If we had enough energy we could run it electrically.... Or with soap bubbles if we wanted.
When gasoline is burned a big amount of water vapor is formed.
I'm not sure if it will or not work but this is my analysis of it...
Many ideas is nice as you first think of it, later analyzing the problems start to arise.
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Hidrocars ,thanks I will read it.You say that some info in the patents have been taken...in wich patent have you seen 10cc/sec?I also read all the patents and not seen such a thing...As for the picture,you are saying about the first tv apearence of meyer buggy,and you reffering about the blue motor behind the seat,is still there,no alteration of the video,i saw your photo shoots and explanation of what the gear was...the blue motor you said is an inverter from 12v to --- maybe is using that for energising the rotor of the alternator...About the GMS video i don;t understand what you want to say with that...
I was into it deep, and I read lots of patents and all of stans. It may be possible I got confused with Juan Carlos Aguero because they both said the exact same thing but i doubt it. I strongly believe I read that in stans patent. I remember trying to find it for steve and he should remember me looking for it.
The blue motor Generator I am talking about is a 3 phase motor, it would not fit in a 5 gallon bucket and would be the size of such bucket. the motor i think was blue. I have not seen that photo in over 6 years, its gone it got pulled. bring me all the photos of such motors and i'll let you know if its the photo i'm speaking of. it was used in connection with the rotary and it produced 3 phase electricity onboard the bug. are you guys aware of my latest pdf on 3 phase ?
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Yes My apology steve I seem to have deleted much of my own information here and forgot I done so. Dont ask,, stupid me.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,978.0.html
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no worry.. ;)
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Hidrocars,i read a post of yours when you was labeling the items on the buggy,i saved the photo but cannot find it...you sayd about the blue motor that was an invertor.12v to 120v or more...
You dont answer my q.:the videos are faked?you say no one filmed Stans aparatus...then what is what we see?I posted the picture of blue motor and alternator extracted from the movie...
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No the videos are not faked, but your not seeing everything. Stan had stuff he would not allow anyone to video or photo. Also, there are all sorts of people in the videos, (Not all of them are dead.) Nobody has questioned them which I find odd. I'm not there so I cant, But I'm sure someone isn't sharing everything.
Stan also had what you called a water splitter just before the plug, Nobody has questioned that either. It is shown in 1 video online today.
The problem with not using additives, It does not bring the needed even burn rate. No additives brings a burn rate that is faster and cleaner and more volatile. Hydroxide solutions slow the rate and add too causing engines to run. A engine may run on 10 liters of hho that derived from an additive environment but 10 liters of hho from a clean environment will not match up or run the engine as the burn rate proves to fast and clean. Additives is a quick FIX for someone that does not know how to alter the burn rate of the pure clean gas. I'm sure the altered gas would be much better than using additives because you would have control over how you would want to make that mix, and I'm sure they mix would go beyound Koh etc,,. HHO as it sits as we make it clean, it is too clean and it is too volatile. it is too pressed together and it is NOT a synthetic gas as stan was using as pointed out in the patent in my pdf! CA---
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No, those photo's arent even close to the moter I seen on stans bug. The Motor was big keep looking. I couldn't find it.
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when/where you saw stans buggy?at the estate?what;s up with this motor,what is used for?
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Here is a small clip of me playing.
What do you notice? and yes its 100% water no additives. Stevie ;) :P
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You done well. Thats a beautifull flame. With no additives, its even better.
But its still electrolysis and low efficient in terms of power efficiency.
Or am i wrong here, Brian?
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This post need not to exist as of today. It has been removed.
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I did not know stans brother was trying to take donations to complete his work. I'm not interested in anything he has to offer after the knowledge i've gained on my own thanks to no help from him!!! With that said, I've delayed as I'm not teaching the wrong hands a damn thing!!
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Dont come and tell me that somebody removed yr info again...;-)
Steve
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I dont remember telling you such a thing, other than the post I made then quickly realized my mistake then removed it. My guess is you shouldn't bank on what people post and then decide to delete because people do make mistakes.
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Did you notice the smiley after my joke?
Steve
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They still have not let me into the vortex group!
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They still have not let me into the vortex group!
Pm me yr loginname and ll send Naresh an email...
Steve