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Hello i just going to drop here some info about my experiments.
I divided the all thing in modules for easy of understanding, power supply, pulse shaper, gate train, vic, water.
The power supply is a 0-250v 2amps variac having its output full wave rectified with a capacitor 100uf to smooth the dc ripple.
Than i will drive a transformer full wave square wave, (not pulses), and the output of this transformer will be full wave rectified too. but using a central tap and two diodes.
With this i will try to connect serially to the bif coil or a vic...
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I got a very good feeling about what i'm going to do.
All this ideas gave me a boost of energy that i'm going to use for experimenting.
Now i'm only missing more meters. Those voltmeters and amp meters analog here costs too much. Hope that soon i can get some. However the variac have an analog voltmeter.
I bought 2 microwave oven 12kv 350ma diodes very cheap and on the data sheet it refers as max blocking voltage. (blocking diode) This i'm going to use for the vic and electron extraction circuit.
In the pulse forming stage i'm going to use some 3x uf4007 diodes in parallel. Cause i don't expect current of more than 1 amp on the primary of the vic.
I started making some coils. so far i only made a primary and started a secondary winding. I forgot to count the turns and therefore i'm not sure if the tap is exactly in the middle of the primary, but anyway i made about 500 turns for the primary (i just filled all the bobbin). The secondary i will do the same... maybe the center tap is not needed and i can just use a common bridge, well i will see what i do.
I was thinking here and for this pulse forming transformer the grain oriented would be better.
In the vic primary i'm going to input at maximum power 1000v unipolar pulse trains. so the pulse shape must have a 4:1 ratio.
So i need to make the primary with many turns. I think that at least 500 turns, i'm thinking about using the 28awg wire... not sure.
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Good luck with winding toroids, Fabio... ;)
Its a dirty job, but somebody..... ;D
Steve
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Yes i got to do =)
Tomorrow morning i'm going down town to buy some more diodes and mosfets and i possible some meters so i can have everything under control.
Since i decided to buy the variac i had no money and spent more than i could but magically the last two nights a nice work popped up so now i got the power to get more things. = ) Life is great!
I finished the power supply now i just want to make a half wave driver to make the variable frequency gated unipolar pulses to input in the primary of the vic.
As my variac output is rated 250v 2amps this will be my limit on the primary. I guess my secondary will have about 5:1 ratio so maybe there will be max 1000 volts 200ma unipolar pulses.
This will go in the primary of the vic.
I want to make like this cause i can vary the supply voltage accordingly with the frequency. So i get a range and this way i can vary the power input without changing the frequency and vice versa.
i would like to buy some oriented grain for this pulse shape transformer but i'm going to use a new flyback core (ferrite Ei cores and Oriented Grain laminations here are expensive the last they only sell kg and it cost 20 euros =( . No problem.
I was thinking here a lot about the vic functioning unipolar. In terms of resonance it makes me think that something really strange got to happen.
I have many ideas, i'm sure that at least one is correct.
I also got myself thinking about how the variac can supply 2amps and be limited to it even if the voltage is stepped down. I think this same principle could also be the way for restricting amps. I want to understand more about this.
Br
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Today was a good day. Even if i toasted some mosfets playing around with the variac. Today a friend came to my house and seeing what i was doing said that whenever i spend 1 real he spend 1real too with me so kind of doubling my possibilities, he like those people zappers and claim they worked well to him. Very nice person. I met him in a party where my friends Familia gangsters where playing... I think is after you all that are also interested in a new world but i don't know in person, is the 3thd person i know in my life that have kind of the same idea of world i have. We've talked about the solution for the education problem in my country for example and he man he blowed his head he told me that my idea was really great.
My idea is to create a dvd material as a support material for the students and teachers to stud with. But this special thing is to be made in such a way that inspires the students to study. I explaINED TO him thaT as it has such a low cost to do and a such big impact in the future, he agree with me that is a way to change the future but in my and others countries this ideas are not used, they want the people to be ignorant so they can become cheap hand to work.
This is very sad, when we start perceiving that around us for hundreds of years many have suffered and died for money and interests.
In the end i got a new help once a week to wind up the bobbins = ).
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This is exactly what i'm going to do:
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This is what i'm going to do
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I would like to know how to be able to adjust the alternated pulses width to be able to give a little time with no pulse or a kind of delay for he sake of clarity. But i think this is over the needs of the circuit.
This logic circuit mixes the two signals to create alternate frequency for driving two mosfets on the inverter stage driving the primary on the secondary the signal is rectified to create unipolar pulse shape witch in turn goes to the vic.
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I would like to know what you think about my pulse shaping network. I think that is one of meyer secrets, he never shown how to make the unipolar pulse train all electronically. In the patent he show but only control the gate time being the pulses fixed frequency. He only show in his drawings the type of pulse coming into the transformers. And is most of the time unipolar pulse trains.
I only found info about anyone trying this in this same site on discussions made with kinesis film. But i think he didn't went to much ahead with this.
I have a good felling. In the simulation it works. I wish i could have the circuits made by a professional especially for me. Anyway i'm using all my knowledge to try achieving the effect. I really think that this unipolar pulse helps the amp restriction as is creates a magnetic field over the electrons traveling in opposite directions on the chokes so this extra field should increase the effect. I also thought of winding up coils around permanent magnets of different shapes.
Another thing is that i think that in the inverter section would be good to use instead of mosfets bipolar transistors cause its easier to control the or limit the current. I think is also possible to do with mosfets but is not much clear for me how without increasing too much the losses. I would like for example to limit the current to 2 amps doesn't matter what voltage i apply on the primary.
Is really boring to keep talking alone, i would appreciate if you discuss with me guys.
ps i think that i solved the problem of my pll circuit turning off some times, i think it has to do with the resistor between the 5pin and ground. I connected directly to the ground and now is more stable. I think that on the dive by ten counters also a resistor should be used but i'm not sure where.
I think i'm going to get a new fast prototype board for easy developing the circuit. I have some chips around here.
I would like to make also test circuits to know if my Ic's are working well. I have like 50 Ic's of different types here. I wish i could have the ability of doing everything i think. = )
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I think that the way to do with mosfets is creating a voltage divider to lower the voltage on the gate of the mosfet. I think that i'm going to use a 100 ohm resistor from the mosfet driver to the gate and a 1k variable resistor between the source and the gate.
something like this
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This simulation makes clear how matching impedance transformation maximizes the power transmission. This is very important. I would like to know how to calculate the impedance for unipolar pulses. I'm not sure if will be the same way cause would be like a 99% duty cycle pulse. Maybe should go for the time constant... ?)
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In the simulations seems to me that if there is a capacitance between the chokes and they are conducting the current in the same direction, the chokes resonate causing a ac current, however because of the blocking diode the voltage on the capacitor remains dc. The coupling must be low between the coils to become wider the band of the resonance. 1nf capacitor seems to help connecting the two extremities of the bif coil (after the diode before the coil (not in series)). Simulating interwinding capacitance.
It seems that if the impedance matches the voltages get high and amps low.
This lead me to think that maybe the interwinding capacitance have a role in the game. Or at least if there isn't additional could be used to balance.
But i'm seeing how important is the unipolar pulse. The important is that the core don't saturate or remain permanently magnetized. THis is important cause if the flux remain than it wont vary applying a new pulse because of saturation.
The impedance is very important. To be able to transfer the power well from the battery thru the pulse shaper and the vic...
If for example the transformer inductance is too high than there will be not enough current to supply high voltage to the water. If too small wont supply the ideal impednace to the load =.
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I was thinking about how to make the water forced into the tube by a pump but the pump also must be electrically insulated from ground to prevent amp leakage from ground electrons into the water bath.
I think the electron extraction will be needed whatever is the pulse. Cause this will weaken the bound electrical attraction within the atoms of water molecules.
By creating a positive field will increase the positive charge of the hydrogen atom, this makes it to keep its electron in its orbit thus weakening the bound, switching off like stan said, than you just need to perturb it creating a further field to create a dc field with an oscillating ac current.
I'm thinking here would stainless steel wire survive 2500° without oxidizing or breaking?
I'm thinking to make a brute experiment.
To provide high current in a cell with sodium hydroxide from a battery but make all this isolated from ground and having a heating element red hot having around it a copper tube than high voltage positive will be applied to the copper tube in relation to the filament. I think that this will help the emission of the electrons from the heating element thus giving to the water an ever increasing positive charge (missing electrons) Thus a change in the production of gas might be noticed or in the quality of the gases coming out of the water.
I'm thinking in ways to get around of the electrons, i thought that i could discharge them on the ground but how?
Is about electrostatic charge that i'm talking about.
Maybe if the ground is big enough is much easier to get more electrons from the water because it can take electrons into it and still become neutral.
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"{ By creating a positive field will increase the positive charge of the hydrogen atom, this makes it to keep its electron in its orbit thus weakening the bound, switching off like stan said, than you just need to perturb it creating a further field to create a dc field with an oscillating ac current. } "
would a pair of magnets placed on the feed line to the electrolyser provide the positive field u require?
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I think would help induce in the atoms some electromagnetic energy yes but i believe that is not enough.
I was thinking here, all we need to do is to charge the water up to a million volts and than simply apply alternating or dc current of low power into the water. The only thing we need is a container that support such voltage. The bigger the surface of the container in relation to the amount of water will give the charge that we will have in the water.
So basically an acrylic tube having inside a pair of tubes and than another acrylic tube inside of the inner tube. Than on the inside of the inner acrylic tube goes something ( a metal) to form a capacitance from inside to the outside tube and other something on the outside of the outer acrylic tube also to form a capacitance but this relative to the inner tube.
This way we have two independent electric fields in the water. No current can flow.
Than between the tubes goes the vic.
Maybe the negative field can be ignored.
So we leave on the water a high positive charge, whenever the gas will be generated from this water, it will be released ionized certainly.
Water as the source of the electrons.
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Just received the news that i earned a place in the best university of physics in Brasil. = ) Party tonight !!! ;D
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Hello guys i went shoping today and got 1kg of some oriented grain steel laminations. They are very thin. I also got a new protoboard and two trnsformers for having the two isolated power supplies for the electron extraction circuit. Things are going well.
I want to make the circuit to work directly at 220v so i don't need to recharge the battery..
I think that i should make of this oriented grain laminations the unipolar vic. But i'm not sure. I'm going to wind up many coils and work around to have the best circuit...
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I just found the perfect driver for the circuit.
Ir 4427
Than i will use this to drive two irfp460a that will be connected to a transformer primary having a center tap connected to the positive Dc.
The output of this transformer passing thru a full wave bridge rectifier will be unipolar pulse trains. That will go into the primary of the other the vic transformer.
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Just received the news that i earned a place in the best university of physics in Brasil. = ) Party tonight !!! ;D
Congratulations!
Thats very good news.
:)Maybe we have our first real scientist here over 4 years......... :)
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Thanks Steve,
It was very hard to study all the year for this moment but is worth the effort, i'm very happy with my achievement. Now i'm going to have access to labs and much info, and will have lot of people with knowledge around. I hope this helps us to get the things we want done.
Fabio
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Transformer Action
Inductance Core (53) of Figure (6-1) composed of "Grain Oriented" Electrical Steel laminations step up applied Voltage (49) when Magnetic Field Coupling (71) of Figure (7-8) cross over to Secondary Pickup Coil-winding (52) which has more turns of wire than Primary Coil- winding (26) by way of "Eddy" currents that induces magnetic flux lines of forces (71a xxx 71n) emanating away from magnetic core material (53) and caused by Primary Coil (26) being electrically energized during pulsing operations (T1a xx T1n), as illustrated in (690) of Figure
(7-8). Magnetic Induction (71a - 71n) is determined by Inductance Permeability (?L) of core material (53) along with VIC circuit geometry ability to step up Voltage Potential (Vo - Vn) by way of "Transformer Action", and is expressed in the following equations:
I would like to point that stan MIGHT have used amorphous core, witch is even better than Oriented grain Electrical steel witch is much better than non oriented grain common steel.
This have 1/3 of the losses in steel cores and have a saturation of 1,56 tesla.
I think the best option is powerlite c cores...
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I have just thought of something.
If you take an X-ray tube and use its filament transformer (witch is well insulated) and just connect to the tubes so as the current passes and lights the filament. Than the electrons would be consumed becoming X rays. Maybe!
Oh boy
Same as a microwave would, cause it also can have a filament. !!!!
How about the microwave gas processor?
Tutanka told me long ago that he was doing experiments with a microwave...
But think at this, to consume the electrons transforming into X-rays and or microwaves. ("you can transform mass into energy and energy into mass")
I think that if this microwave energy is than applied to the oxygen at the right frequency, with the right "antenna circuit" Resonant Cavity than the oxygen will lose many electrons.
Or water it self, every one remember the laser cavity cell, maybe was x-rays. Electromagnetic energy into the atoms.
I believe that the positive charge of the air and water will depend on the capacitance in relation to ground. Maybe a bunch of uncoated wire inside a tube to be the anode + conductor in contact with the air.
Things will happen, when 1% of the air is ionized you have 99% of the plasma conduction if i remember well. So at a certain point it will become a dead short condition. And here why the vic principle is also applied.
Maybe a spark gap also produce the xrays or some other electromagnetic disturbance...
Lets use the intelligence of the oxygen.
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The 6-1 vic coil used grain oriented steel.I saw them in his stuff.Also that coil was designed for the water injector only!
DON'T MIX UP SYSTEMS!!!!
Now to address the electron extracting,Why are you even concerned with that process?Are you looking to remove the electrons to get the process started?If thats your goal than your ass backwards with your thoughts.
Until you can get high voltage(+1000 or higher) across the water in the cell,you will never be able to sepearte the gasses in the first place,let alone extract electrons.Because much higher voltages(in the 1000's) will be needed for that to happen.So you have to seperate the water first with high voltage,than you have to get the voltage even higher to get the electrons out.There's no way around that.The electrons are freed when the water molecule is seperated.The extraction process isn't for pulling any other electrons out.The electrons come from the one's holding the hydrogen molecule to the oxygen,if not extracted,they will link back up with the hydrogen as soon as the voltage pulse is switched off.
Electron extraction can only happen after the water is seperated.So any talk about performing the extraction process is futile,without the ability of making high voltage and seperating the water molecule first.It can't be done the other way around.
So we need to seperate the gasses first,and then only after that step ,can we do electron extraction.
So get to work seperating the gasses and forget about electron extraction,it'll never happen any other way.
Thats all I've got to say about that!
Don
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Don, I don't want you to get upset with me, but have to disagree and tell you that maybe you didn't understood well what i'm saying. Is probably only my fault cause anyone is answering and must mean that anyone understood fully what i'm saying.
I'm saying that if the water bath or air processor is isolated from ground, whenever you charge it with static high voltage it will retain its charge, this means that if we charge positively we will extract electrons out of the dielectric leaving on it a net charge.
If we consume this electron than it can't get back into the dielectric, and as the ground is floating and isolated, we have that each time we charge the dielectric again it will retain an ever increasing charge.
I mean dielectric the air or the water cause both are not perfect so they have free electrons.
If you remove 1 electrons from 1 cubic centimeter copper ball and let it stand over another ball of equal size the ball will float on the top of the other because of the force of the missing electron. Do you understand how strong is the electric field?
When water is partially a conductor (plasma) and it is into a isolated bath, you can take out electrons of it. If you can consume this electron you can take out indefinable amount of electrons. This change the share rate of electrons in the water molecules.
I just want to create a static field within the molecules to switch off the bound and than to use a varying field to break the bound.
Man electrons will come out of the water for sure, maybe the result won't be the switch off like stan said. But the only way i have here to put 3000 volts to the water is by spending 3000 watts by passing 1 amp to it as it can have 3000 ohms resistance.
I think that if water is missing electrons is even easier cause the resistance would raise in my opinion.
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What your trying to do is outside of what Stan was doing.Stan only removes electrons as a byproduct of gas creation.
What you want to try and do is your own idea,and good luck with that.
But your not doing something Stan did.
So you may want to change this topic to something other than "Stanley Modular Project"
but rather "Sebosfato Modular Project" so as not to confuse new readers,after all this is your idea,and not Stans.
Don
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Don,
During the gas production the electrons cant get away cause the electrons will stay on the atoms otherwise would be impossible to lose electrons.
I believe that what i'm saying is totally related with what stan said. Extract electrons from the water. I just found a way to do exactly this. So no big deal i'm not sure if will work.
However i remember the joe cell guys talking about charge the water. And here is what i'm pointing to, charge the water.
I proposing to use the dielectric proprieties of gas or water, witch is it must retain an electrical charge.
When it retain an electrical charge it will have forces interacting within the bound forces. Therefore switching off the covalent electron allowing it to go to the hydrogen atom.
I believe that one way to consume the electrons would be to accelerate them and transformer them into microwave and or X- rays. Maybe his electron deflection ... was only revealing that the Gas gun is actually a X - ray like generator made in such way that the rays resonate inside the cavity in resonance.
Man I'm pretty sure that i want to do exactly what Stan did, even if i have parallel projects.
I just really believe that in this world in this time anyone tried what i'm talking about.
Charge the water.
Electrons ejected from the water bath.
Really seem to be what i'm talking about.
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The feeling about the electron ejection from water bath Is ever increasing. X_rays oh God good way. Electron deflection, think about that!
Long time, we no have no nice time,
Doo-yoo-doo-you-doo-yea.
Think about that.
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Guys i'm starting to think that the amp consuming device is a Xray tube or a magnetron or a cathodic tube... I can be even a lamp. But if you use the Xrays you will provide ionization of the oxygen atom. He used lenses for polarizing the electromagnetic radiation.
I think that would be a question of than create a resonant cavity that match the wavelength of the waves and than drive it into resonance.
When the electrons will get emitted from the filament and accelerated to the positive anode, witch has a connection with a blocking diode to the ground, wis henever the electron hit the metal it will create a negative charge in relation to the ground so than you use the ground as a place to place electrons in.
Xrays can also do the same thing but the wave length is very small so no chance for antenna.
The idea is to make water or oxygen and hydrogen release Gamma Rays .
The chain reaction is that when you create the electron bean and transform into electromagnetic energy it than goes back into the atom and ionize it releasing maybe 4 electrons from a certain amount of oxygen a very very small proportion of the all air used in the reaction.
The thing is that if water has the energy meyer claimed it has, and comes from the sun and can be control released. Than we need very small % of the energy it can release. So the thing is a chain reaction.
You can adjust the xrays by varying the voltage restricting amps... That kind of tech. .
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There are two kinds of Xrays radiation one is from the impact on the electron of the atoms of the target and the other type is the Gamma radiation when the photon get inside the proton. So Is an atomic process. Release the energy from the nucleus, in the form of ionizing radiation..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E185G_JBd7U# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E185G_JBd7U#)
I highly recommend you all to watch this lecture. It explains the reverse electrical fields and what i'm talking about on net charge. It also shows the Van de Graf principle.
I think that what i'm thinking to do is a kind of Van de Graf generator but is solid state. As the emissive heating element is negatively charged and sits inside a conductor as i'm proposing the electron bean will go directly toward the outer conductor thus when it reach high voltage by corona discharge it will lose this charge to the air.
So if we want to consume electrons we do need the gas processor so we ionize the air. Some movement there must some movement otherwise no sufficiently net charge can get into the air and therefore do what i intend to do.
I think that the electric field zones inside the water as it is net charged polarized will have a more Einduced field than Efree in relation thus the Net Effect of the field on the water is differentiated. The Enet strength will be higher.
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Yes, great stuff from that professor. I have seen all his video's.
Very nice!
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Well I'm finishing the vic right now. I made Two resonant charging chokes with 24Awg wire having each one 240 turns being 80 of them in counter phase so the resulting inductance is 80 turns. And this resulting 80 turns inductance is cancelled by the same 80 turns resulting inductance of the other choke.
The secondary thus will be field aiding with one of the coils and therefore between this will go the diode. The other is connected to the negative side of the secondary.
I made in the first two groups of layers the resonant coils than on top of it the primary and on the top the secondary winding. For the primary i'm using the same 24Awg and will go for around 200turns. The core is pretty massive it has 1Kg.
I think that any non inductive resistor would be a good restricting amps choke. So as a non inductive choke. But i think that there must also be some net inductance so as to have accumulated energy to create a magnetic field that will restrict the amps on the non inductive section.
I made the resonant charging chokes with a tap on the point where the non inductive part start. So i can compare.
I'm using the laminated grain oriented electrical steel E I core for this vic. Its middle leg has 4cm wide and 6 high and the windows a have 2 cm x 6cm. EI core.
For the pulse shaping network i will use the flyback initially but i'm thinking that maybe is better to get more laminations like this and make another for transforming the pulse shape and the impedance properly.
I was thinking about this.
I you shoot the mosfet to the maximum of its conduction to drive a transformer, ok you get all the energy into the transformer with minimum switching losses, but you get low impedance regulation.
For example for using mosfets we need to provide a variable resistor that works like a voltage divided to allow it to restrict the amps in the primary to a certain degree, otherwise it is not working as it intend to work.
Meyer used bipolar transistors, good they are perfect for controlling current.
I'm saying all this cause to transfer maximum power to the water we need to have the right impedance on the signal going to the transformer, than the output of this pulse shaping transformer must match the input impedance of the vic witch must match the impedance of the water.
I'm just having problems to decide how to calculate the impedance of the unipolar pulses I'm not sure. Maybe if the nucleus of the transformer don't go into saturation we could perfectly consider the doubled frequency, probably. At this point than maybe the gate is there to gate when the core reach the limit of saturation. If so we could use a Magnetic field sensor and connect to a comparator circuit to provide the gated signal at the right time. Thinking well this would be good to adjust the pulse duration to be able to not saturate the core or in a variety of ways.
If we think like that, than we should consider that the vic would be working in the kickback mode and that maybe a gap would be good for storing energy. The important is the material ability to fast collapse the magnetic field and not remaining permanently magnetized to avoid saturation. Seems that 1,7 tesla is the limit of the grain oriented.
So If we have a water that has a resistance around 5000ohms And the secondary and chokes a certain impedance than we should meet this in the primary of the vic.
Would be important to completely understand the calculation of impedances in this VIC resonance. Otherwise what last is to make a good guess work and construct some
more different to try empirically.
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I have a feeling that I'm going to get there.
I'm starting to think that we should preset a frequency ad stay very close around it to be able to adjust the impedances otherwise for every different frequency we need different number of turns.
Here is a good reason to lose some power on the source. To make it very precise. Having a resistance in the source we have an impedance transformation in the transformer while restricting the power input limit.
I'm used to never use not even one resistor in the power line...
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I was studying here about Positive feedback and an idea crossed my mind.
I from now believe that the resonant feedback circuit is nothing more than a circuit for controlling automatically the frequency in reference to the voltage applied in order to be able to limit the saturation of the core. When the magnetic field of the transformer reach the saturation the feedback coil will no longer experience change in flux so it by its threshold value will terminate the pulse sending the signal to the pll. This makes that when saturation is reached the pulse ends and is allowed to collapse aways with its maximum intensity and sequentially another unipolar pulse is applied to the primary of the vic. Than the gate is adjusted to the resonance of the water.
So if you change the supply voltage the frequency changes but the flux on the transformer aways remain at the maximum. If you change the impedance of the primary it will also change the frequency.
For example if you raise the voltage frequency will go up cause saturation will be reached more rapidly.
If you increase the impedance on the primary it will reduce the frequency to maintain the saturation to the desired level.
The thing is we have to calculate the feedback signal parameter according to the max field in the transformer.
For example if the max field is 1,6 tesla, with 10 turns of wire we will have a certain voltage witch will be the trigger voltage to shut off the pulse. Thru a comparator this is easily obtained.
The signal going to the pulse shaper might have to be divided by two. Cause we are duplicating the frequency in the pulse shape section.
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Guys i'm getting there.
Stan said that it works from 0 up to 10khz
I think that the PLL is tuned to aways match the impedance of the water. Varying the frequency as the impedance changes to adjust it and or the voltage.
It will be like a sweep in frequency.
The resonant scanning circuit matchs this sweep artificially until the cell get into operation therefore is important. The shape and frequency of this sweep might be also important. This will have the duration of the gated pulse trains.
Hope you understand what i'm talking about.
Maybe the resonant tank he use not very narrow band to achieve resonance in a frequency range of easier tune.
The impedance of the water will change during the pulsing operations. And this is not measurable i guess. thus the circuit must provide the adjustment.
Again for clarity the feed back signal for the pll is what transduce the impedance matching. We could use a dummy load for adjustments.
As the impedance of the water change or i mean its voltage, the reflected flux in the core will become weaker, so the transformer will not transmit the right impedance. So if we change the unipolar pulses frequency we can achieve that.
Might be much better approach to instead to vary only the input voltage instead of the frequency so the input impedance can be matched allowing for a high Q resonant circuit narrow band.
As the voltage of the load changes its impedance is changing over time. In the case of water witch is a capacitor maybe the sweep should be reverse, don't know why i thought of this, but maybe not.
The gate might be as small as 3hz i guess
The feedback measure the flux and stipulate a certain voltage witch it must operate this reduce the size of the pulse in the pll witch can be used reversely with a frequency to voltage converter to adjust the voltage!!! Very nice this.
I remember Scott Mckie power supply where he provide a way to charge a capacitor with constant current. Is pretty much the same i'm thinking.
Like to charge a capacitor over time you change the supply voltage over time. To charge it from 1 v to 2v 2 v are applied. The same thing as what happens in the resonance but in this case as you can vary the impedance you can apply the maximum power transfer aways than aways charging to the limit.
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Hello
I would like to take you all attention.
I found what could be happening in the amp restriction process.
First of all i'm going to tell you that when i said in the past charge pump, actually i was right cause the thing actually work like that but its called a current source.
A current source have infinite impedance thus does not matter the impedance of the source there will aways be that same current.
I recommend you all to read this article entirely
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_source)
Here you see why in a dead short condition a constant current will still provide the same current even if voltage is 0.
And why a charge pump will aways charge a capacitor till its break down.
A van de graf is a charge pump too.
Now i'm going to introduce you the concept of the amp restriction.
Think of a resistor, if you ideally connected one current source (infinite impedance) to it a current will flow developing a voltage across its leads. Now if you apply a voltage source with counter "phase" polarity, you will have no current flowing thru the resistor therefore if you have infinite impedance across it a ideal current source and a ideal voltage source you can do create indefinite power. .
Meyer did this in the coil, in the water and in the air too.
I will explain.
The resonant charging choke combines a charge pump effect thus a constant current source, the resistor, and the voltage source.
Do you remember when meyer said that copper was better for voltage inducement. Well he was right.
If you take a coil of copper witch will have a certain current flowing thru it and you have another coil this made of resistive wire as for it will have a current flowing into it in one direction and a voltage being developed in the other direction.
The magnetic flux accomplishes both works.
There must be a resulting inductance as for it to behave as a charge pump. The amount of charge pumped depend on the voltage of the coil you designed. So the secondary charge the diode block and the coil give the extra charge.
I think that the coil can be made especially to control it perfectly i'm just thinking of that.
So again the current flowing thru the coil develop a voltage cross it, than you can simply apply a voltage to it or you can induce or whatever way we found that work well.
Very interesting?
So we can do in a variety of ways.
Ps:Steve because of the login i just wrote all this and that i'm going to write again now cause asked logging when i replied third time today...
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The proprieties of the wire are important. Right ratio of resistance to inductance.. . I think i will need to determine this empirically. Soon i will try to convince some one to help me to buy some multimeters, 3 would be enough being 1 clamp and a nice oscilloscope. hehe
If you think well would be a nice construction. The resistive wire and the copper together. So as to be capacitively coupled and inductively.
The thing just do what he said it does we just didn't knew how was doing so we had no clue. But now!
I'm very exited with all this. Wish i could have some help here wounding coils...
Have a good day people around the world.
Ps: Steve I would like to ask you to forgive the banned members, even if they did wrong, in your conception, i think that we are researchers here and we can get over this problem fight that happened. I think they did wrong cause they could at least wait you to sell some dvds, i'm sure you were going to publish it to all soon. Anyway shittt happens and we must go ahead. I think that outlaw and tony have much to contribute here, commenting and experimenting. Even dankie might have gone thru many things i wish we could all talk about this. H20 power i think he is too hard head to come back but not the others. =) anyway is up to you i respect your decision and i will keep here with all others here discussing anyway.
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Anyone a word?
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Dankie is not banned anymore for half a year now and H2Opower left by him self.
Twoodside did not respond on any of my mails and Outlaw expressed certain feelings by email.
The sad story is that they also expressed their feelings on waterfuelcell.org about this forum and me.
Ionizationx is a free forum and everybody is welcome. But if people are f with me, then they better leave.
I know many of the admins of other forums and they act the same. Nothing new.
Of course its sad if talented people leave that way. I also know that some people react on a sad manner because they are dissapointed that their project wasnt succesfull.
My door is always open for a good conversation and i am not a person that stays angry. Costs too much energy... ;)
Steve
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Wise words my friend, I think that all this happened cause we are too far to get a beer and drink together in a bar. Not good to keep bad feelings, waste of time.
I believe ionizationx is the best forum i ever discussed in. I only knew about tony and outlaw...
Is good to know the doors are open for everyone, I think we should just get over this situation and go ahead. I guess they will naturally come back when they feel and know your not what they think you are, and how great is to be here discussing with people who thinks.
I quite sad to be here discussing alone, my feeling is that people don't understand what i'm saying. And this is bad for all cause i really think i'm on something here, every piece of the puzzle is taking its place.
From the amp restriction passing thru the electron extraction and arriving on the switch off of the bound.
I really think that now i have enough knowledge to get there. From calculation passing thru the physics of the thing and arriving in the electronics.
Meyer left a big clue for us, but with no knowledge was impossible to understand the meanings of the clue.
Now i guess i'm able to understand everything he wrote fully.
I will try making some drawings showing values and the configuration i'm thinking than i guess will be easier for all.
My idea is like a magnetic amplifier but instead of saturating direct current, it will have a pulsed current, thus it will induce voltage on the windings backwards than not actually saturating. And not actually a magnetic amplifier therefore. So basically is a transformer having a primary and the choke. The choke will have a current passing thru it that is in the contrary direction and synched to the induced current. So when you match the voltage induced by the primary (copper coil) to the counter voltage consequence of the current passing and resistance of the coil amp flow will be restricted to 0 theoretically.
Another analogy i found is that device to measure impedance that you adjust until no current flow. ...bridge of something... i don't remember...
Steve, Don, Donald, outlaw, hydrogenmask, wfchobby, dankie, h20power, tutanka, i don smeel good... you alllllllll ... what did you think about this theory about amp restriction?
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There are some things to think about here cause also the countering current will null the mutual inductance. So is just a question of choosing the right coupling configuration, the right impedance, and resistance to inductance ratio. Some measurement must be done using a dummy load..
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When i looked at the alternator circuit with that choke, only one thought came up.
Restricting amps is just restricting amps as it is.
Hookup a bucket of Metal plates up to a circuit and you soon find out that your power circuit cannot deliver the needed amps. In case of alternator, it will burnout.
So, you have some options to lower amp draw. First to add resistance as Stan did in multiple schematics.
Second is to find another way, like a bifilar coil working on his resonance frequency.
The magic of using a 3 inch tube with vic and amp restricting to get high voltage fields stays a mistery to me... Higher volts always goes hand in hand with higher ampdraw.
Nobody seen hv taking any watermolecule apart.
As i wrote here before as comment on radiants post, i like his idea on re directing electrons into a bulb.
However, i have trouble with that theory when i look at on how a transformer works.
Steve
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Yes i agree, High voltage would not exist until right amount of amps pass thru the load. What i'm proposing is to take the vic connect to the water than measure the current flow.
Than add this choke in sequential (a transformer having primary and secondary isolated) this choke having resistive wire will develop a voltage because of the current flowing thru it, than the primary of the choke will receive the same signal (unipolar) but this will be attenuated up to the point of 0 current flow thru it.
I think it can be done with copper or resistive wire. but i'm still thinking here and trying to figure what will happens.
Also the capacitance is important, cause by induction it will induce also a counter voltage on the other coil. I think i'm going to make a video explaining this. We could have a skype meeting and than record it so i can explain it well. What you think?
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Guys i'm getting there.
Stan said that it works from 0 up to 10khz
Depends on you coil core- and coil- and wfc cell specs, but I take it also as a reference (1-20kHz).
I think that the PLL is tuned to aways match the impedance of the water. Varying the frequency as the impedance changes to adjust it and or the voltage.
Z load < Z generator I guess.
It will be like a sweep in frequency.
Scanner driver Triangle generated voltage signal for PLL Voltage Controlled Oscillator (sweep 0V to 5V to 0V)
Frequency bandwidth is adjustable (f min / f max) from PLL chip.
The resonant scanning circuit matchs this sweep artificially until the cell get into operation therefore is important. The shape and frequency of this sweep might be also important. This will have the duration of the gated pulse trains.
Hope you understand what i'm talking about.
Maybe the resonant tank he use not very narrow band to achieve resonance in a frequency range of easier tune.
Depends on resistance (gap size) Higher ohms is narrower band for resonance (smaller PLL bandwidth).
The impedance of the water will change during the pulsing operations. And this is not measurable i guess. thus the circuit must provide the adjustment.
Is picked up by Pickup Coil. Signal is found out of resonance when phase is mismatched between PLL VCO (PULSE) and pickup frequency (resonance is AC and in phase with PULSE).
Must be in bandwidth range set by Filter. When out of bandwidth filter, lock is lost and scanner is activated.
Again for clarity the feed back signal for the pll is what transduce the impedance matching. We could use a dummy load for adjustments.
As the impedance of the water change or i mean its voltage, the reflected flux in the core will become weaker, so the transformer will not transmit the right impedance. So if we change the unipolar pulses frequency we can achieve that.
Might be much better approach to instead to vary only the input voltage instead of the frequency so the input impedance can be matched allowing for a high Q resonant circuit narrow band.
As the voltage of the load changes its impedance is changing over time. In the case of water witch is a capacitor maybe the sweep should be reverse, don't know why i thought of this, but maybe not.
The gate might be as small as 3hz i guess
I also assume that the gate is low in frequency about max. 200Hz
The feedback measure the flux and stipulate a certain voltage witch it must operate this reduce the size of the pulse in the pll witch can be used reversely with a frequency to voltage converter to adjust the voltage!!! Very nice this.
I remember Scott Mckie power supply where he provide a way to charge a capacitor with constant current. Is pretty much the same i'm thinking.
Like to charge a capacitor over time you change the supply voltage over time. To charge it from 1 v to 2v 2 v are applied. The same thing as what happens in the resonance but in this case as you can vary the impedance you can apply the maximum power transfer aways than aways charging to the limit.
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Webmug