A green and clean environment is a human right!
Projects by members => Projects by members => Sebosfato => Topic started by: sebosfato on November 12, 2010, 04:28:47 am
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We all know ambient is full of energy as long as we are not sitting at 0° absolute temperature.
Heat is energy and is known as the rate of vibration of molecules in ambient case air. Here we have the air at ambient temperature having 300° kelving of vibration... =)
The pressure is directly related with heat, and you can think of heat as amount of energy per amount of space. If you compress the space you have more heat per space unity thus you concentrate heat or energy.
Is well known that for transferring heat you need a difference of temperature so as you mix cold air to the concentrated heat, this can absorb the vibrations of the heated air up to a certain point.
Thus the only thing needed to do for extracting heat from something is to concentrate the something heat, than mixture with cold something. This energy thus will be converted into expansion to agree with the pressure temperature relation.
This is smarter than using a fuel to create heat. Is clean, and don't waste heat. It actually clean the air and create a cold air stream. This kind of engine won't need refrigeration of any kind. No spark plugs. Only compressed air, and some sensors and solenoids gates.
More to come
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We all know ambient is full of energy as long as we are not sitting at 0° absolute temperature.
If you do not mean 0° but 0K even that is untrue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy)
Thus the only thing needed to do for extracting heat from something is to concentrate the something heat, than mixture with cold something. This energy thus will be converted into expansion to agree with the pressure temperature relation.
This is smarter than using a fuel to create heat. Is clean, and don't waste heat. It actually clean the air and create a cold air stream. This kind of engine won't need refrigeration of any kind. No spark plugs. Only compressed air, and some sensors and solenoids gates.
More to come
The energy lost by the heated air which is transferred to the cold air will nullify any expansion of the formerly cold gas.
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Yes, your right about the 0K thing however you understood my point.
And, for the second point, actually you are only partly right, because actually the explosion will occur in a very short time, will be like a thermal shock, thus yes not all the energy is converted into movement but the movement will not be caused by the pressure alone. Don't you think?
Now what if the injected fluid was one witch have different coefficient of expansion, like water droplets?
Water will expand 1800 times passing from liquid to vapor. If we inject it at a temperature and pressure close to the needed for it to expand into vapor, don't you agree that much of the ambient concentrated heat would become water vapor? Considering logically that the water would be injected under max pressure and that the pressure will be dropping as long as the piston goes down.
I believe there will not be an instant expansion, but while the pressure is high water will absorb the heat and when pressure start to drops it will expand. Water have a higher heat capacity than air and is incompressible.
Thanks questioning, thats what is needed.
Fabio
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What keeps spinning in my mind is this video by Eric Dollard etc. (starts from 18min):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549#
He explains Tesla transverse and longitudinal electric waves. When you compare the two you see a much smaller resonance frequency bandwidth when he uses longitudinal electric waves and the big thing is that there is more high voltage!
Did Stan used this type of circuit and a PLL's for this?
br,
Webmug
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Hello Webmug,
Yeah i have seeing that video some time ago, and they try to explain longitudinal waves, however if you think about, is in my opinion easier than they say, you should think of longitudinal waves just like a force, the force transmit in a wire faster than as waves.
In my idea tesla and stanley meyer used the same principle... Electric force. However electricity usually use this same force, but when you close the circuit you start to kill this force, just like wetting a dry cloth. If we manage to apply this force without getting wet, we are going to get more work done by the same force.
money attracts money, energy attract energy
Look at the attachment drawing, i made this thinking on a way to only use electric field to create movements of electrons on wire. For this i think what is needed is high voltage as to create a intense electric field.
However high voltage at miliamps would not attract that much electrons in a wire, (in my imagination)
So for this i thought of a resonant tank,
What is a resonant tank. Or what happens when you set an oscillation on it.
If you think well a wire have electrons on it that are there in equilibrium. A capacitor also is in equilibrium when its empty.
When you set an oscillation you start to perturb, taking the electrons from one side of the capacitor and the wire and putting on one side of the capacitor, leaving where there were previously electrons, positive holes.
So what happens when you start filling this holes with other electrons that was not on the capacitor and the wire? Happens that when the other electrons reverse direction and come back there will be more free electrons on the way. I believe this will lead the Tank to develop more voltage and thus more amperage, however i'm not so sure.
However i believe that the power density you can develop on a resonant tank can perform a big electric force on a another circuit. (i mean by electric field) cause there will be more amperage thus many many more holes, and all this expending a little energy to sustain this great amount of energy density.
So one of the sides will have very negative potential while the other will have a very positive potential. I thus believe that this potential can perform work by attracting electrons from outside of the first signal, when this overcome the conduction band of the semiconductor..
Maybe another primary will be needed to than let this electrons go alternately.
The PLL is needed to maintain the oscillation on the tank using low electrical input.
If you notice this drawing, you will see the diodes allow the electric field to only absorb electrons from the primary, while preventing them to re enter in the wire.
While the other only put electrons on the wire.
I think that maybe the two tanks could be coupled by a special made capacitor, and also by magnetic coupling. so as to use the holes on one side and excess electrons on the other side to create a push effect inside the capacitor.
One of the coils must be tunable to adjust the resonance. And The frequency of resonance should be chosen accordingly with the primary of the output transformer. Probably 2 primaries would be good. to equilibrate the electrons...
I'm not really sure, in the next month i will be more free and will start building it.
It is based on the electroscope theory, that i posted days ago.
Notice the similarity with tesla drawings... I begun to think that tesla used in his drawings capacitor drawings to mean electrolitic rectifiers somehow..
probably to mislead everyone.
There are many things to think. I went to the university and tried to find some help, even the teacher said is very difficult to calculate or predict the model i'm proposing, however he believed. I think i can determine this only empirically.
If i succeed in getting into the university, i will have some more credits and i will have the possibility of constructing this device, i hope.
before that this days i must study like a mad to pass on the test. Is very very hard. Math history, physics........ so if i delay answering here is because i'm trying to focus there. ok
changing a bit subject
Have you seeing this ? http://www.alexpetty.com/ (http://www.alexpetty.com/)
I remember when we discussed this last year...
Br
Fabio
=)
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1° Method to determine if my theory is a good one.
Take a common 4 stroke 4 cylinders engine with injection system.
Disconnect two of the injectors from the fuel line. Connect them to a vessel having two stainless steel plates immersed on tap water, connected to a full wave bridge rectifier, thru a 10 amp variac AC 220v line and power switch. Inside the vessel witch is a water heater, you could place a water fogger with controllable output of fog. Add an inline heater for the air going into the motor, a wire-wound 60w maybe (optional).
Start the engine.
Turn on the power switch vessel. Start messing around with the power going into the vessel controlling the temperature, fog and possibly the pressure.
Try to see if there is changes in the rpm.
Measure the temperature of the air going in and the exhaust if possible before and after starting the vessel.
Take notes of everything!
Basically you will have 2 cylinders running on gasoline and two running on water if everything is fine.
The preheated water droplets with a bit of hydrogen will get into the engine, when they get compressed the heat of the ambient air and the rest of the motor will be absorbed by the preheated water droplets witch as have a bigger heat capacity will absorb the heat from air avoiding it to return to the exhaust air after the explosion cycle. If i'm right injecting the water at a certain temperature, the engine will turn as it was fed with gasoline.
If possible try to * the spark of the water cylinders.
Some engines have electronic controls that wont let you do this. Try to fool them controlling the lambda sense or other means.
The 2 fuel outputs not used should come back straight to the tank thru 2 pipelines as to not force the water pump. (is preferable instead of just blocking their outputs)
If all this don't work well, at least it was tried.
Not many parts needed.
However is a bit dangerous. 220v going into the water having 200cm2 ss flat plates will make about 3 amps to flow.
In my experiences i got 4 litters of water boiled in one hour so attention on the pressure to not explode the vessel.
I don't have a car otherwise i would test it myself.
The water will get heat to the point of almost blowing. While the fogger will than create micro droplets and are pushed by the steam, and sucked by engine vacuum. A heat exchanger ( a copper pipe) could make be placed inside the water for the air going into the engine to get preheated.
The heat transformed inside the cylinder will be a function on the temperature of the incoming air.
Copper or bronze cylinders and piston parts would help the process.
well just a couple of ideas
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What about heating a compressed air tank with condensed ambient heat?
Would work an engine that have a compressed air source that is in sync with the ambient condensed heat created by the motion of the air expanded by the compression of the piston?????
Man this could change everything. Think about we didn't said we could run a car only with compressed air. What if we make the compressed air tank part of our mean for extracting energy from the ambient? What if we take some Peltier modules, or to simply use the 600° developed inside the piston to heat the compressed air tank? ??
A bomb? perhaps hehehe
Maybe a copper tank. or with a copper botton, coupled or being part of the block of the engine. A bomb practically =) hehehe
Oh boy this is getting good.
So you charge the compressed air tank initially lets say to 10 bar. Than if you just double its temperature by some reason you should have 20 bar of pressure this mean the energy accumulated became twice as big. Its like a capacitor but instead of electrical charges, the energy it accumulates is from pressure or temperature, energy as pressure like voltage would be for a capacitor.
This way maybe you could use piston to push in the tank compressed air at 1200°, what about? If is solid enough it would handle.
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I'm writing here my ideas to share with you, if you could answer any questions or questioning what i'm saying we can create some good discussion here. I just use plain logic to describe my ideas, and i don't know if everyone understand what i'm saying. .
I was thinking here, when the fuel burn inside the combustion chamber what push the piston?, the force witch is not consumed ?and than remain the heat?, or actually the movement caused by the expansion of the explosion consume energy? I think not. The heat in my opinion is distributed on the cylinder and on the exhaust gases, however in my understanding the amount of energy that is going out in terms of heat energy is greater than the energy of the mere expansion thru the chemical oxidation + heat. Theres something else behind this, ICEs after all. So what i'm pointing is that if we make the right configurations we can turn engines into super efficient compressed air engines maybe working with a bit of hydrogen to make more heat.
Now i want you to remember that stanley meyer injected compressed air in the injectors, together with water, under the pressure of 125psi little less than 9 bar i think.
If he had plenty of electrical power he could use a pump for this air water whatever.
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In a resistance device, there is less free electrons per cubic meter than in a conductor. Thus, to sustain a similar amperes current flow, electrons must move faster through the media.
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The efficientcy of your ICE is about a measured 30% or less from memory. This number was increased during WW2 when oil be came expensive (well for that day and age) and then the ideas started to flow. One of the most common ideas was partial steam engines, IE water injection. By injecting water into the piston SOME of the heat energy is converted to steam, this created extra pressure and cooled on the exhaust side meaning less fuel could be used for the same abount of torque. This had its downfalls, not having a ready supply of SS parts there was a lot of corrosion of parts (especially on the exhaust valves from memory) this also made the engine's prone to hydrolock if not managed correctly.
There have been a lot of implemented idea's to increase the efficientcy of the ICE, but the issue is more in the design of it rather than anything else. There is a lot of moving and interacting pieces that must perform at high speeds. This generates massive amounts of friction and heat, robbing efficientcy from the engine 2 fold. This while not being the best design is one of the most reliable. With the use of "improvements" and lubracants the flaws in the design have been bought down into a managable level for the common person to handle with some basic maitenance.
A very brief overview of the ICE and it effecientcy. But the real kicker is yet to come.
The common conspiracy theory about big oil contracts with automobile companies are only half true. The contracts that are in place is that they design vehicles to run on a fuel with "x" properties. That is all they do. Its not a controlling contract or anything like that its more of both the companies have come to an agreement, we ensure that a product with these properties is available and in return we supply the consumer with a product they want to buy that uses this product. The efficientcy of the motor viehicle engine is our fault. We have dictated where the market goes, name one time where picking a car was based on mileage over how fast it goes, it only ever happens when the price of fuel goes us. Now this still doesn't swing our favour much when it comes to more efficient cars. Just so you can fully understand, changes to a devise sold on a market need years of testing, stages of production, monitored and documented accounts, expectations and predictions of the performance under a plethora of conditions it will more than likely never see. These must be monitored and then marketed. If there is a definate swing in the market for this modifacation then companies will invest more money into like additions and improvements.
The Hybrid technology we see now is a synergy of a performance idea that was going to be bought to the market for the top end racing fans. The tests and the stages of required assurance were complete then the idea was shoved sideways and altered to fill an emerging market. This, even with its almost doubled fuel mileage did not fair as well as predicted. Instead the slight improvments to 4 wheel drives fuel economies was also noted and this is where most of the market went. People who used to drive medium sized 6 cyl family cars with a fuel economy of 7-8 km/l now drive 4WD with a fuel economy of 6-8km/l and feel better because they feel safer in a larger car. They traded their feelings of damaging the planet for feeling safer.
Whats the point of this ramble, mechanics and engine designers the world over can make ICE's now with efficienties of 50-70%, we as the public will never see them implemented due to the cost of red tape required to have them on the market. There is simply no solid grounding for this type of car to be sold on. As a whole we (yes i said we as in consumers with money) will not shell out the money for a new car that is more fuel efficient over one that is faster more powerful or is larger. The reason for this is the new car market is people with money, and the people in this market want a status symbol.
There is no point in blaming big oil or the car companies, name one company that makes sense of investing money into ideas no one wants? asside from telemarketers, who still make money BTW, there is none.
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What does the above have to do with your idea and project, your talking about extracting energy from everything around use. this is possible i guess but if you want a better running engine look at history, check out the trends of the times that fuel prices spiked. There are a lot of smart people (who ever discovered how to run a diesle engine on cooking oil is a freaking genius) who have had great ideas on improving the efficientcy of engines. Your idea about using the heat is not new and research into their ideas i think will help you alot more!!
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Hello Crazyewok,
Thanks for your opinion, i agree with you, i know there is a this conspiracy of making bigger cars to make you burn more gasoline. I knew about the water injection reading on some encyclopedia is just as you said they added water in order to more efficiently use the energy on the gasoline.
What i'm proposing is to cut the umbilical cord, using only air and water to run your car, and i'm questioning if is Being energy conserved in the heat or if the movement also is energy, this is one of the things we need to determine, cause if movement is just a consequence of the heat, we would have 100% of heat to recycle. If not energy is not conserved within the motor and make our life's more difficult.
I did't found anyone who have tried to heat a compressed air tank to have more pressure available. So is exactly what i'm proposing. If we heat the compressed air with the remaining heat from the engine running only with compressed or combined cycle you would actually be transferring energy from the ambient to the tank, kind of resonance. Maybe is not infinite however if you know that a simple 24m3 tank can make normally 150 km having 15 bar of pressure. If you heat it to 150° you would make 750km or more. And the gain come from the ambient. So you spend 2 dollars to fill the tank and run 750km, I think is a good deal. However i'm thinking a way for it to supply its own pressure during the running. Thats why i'm trying to find an inexhaustible source of electrical energy too.
I dreamed this night about the epg, and was kind of thinking a turbine inside a pipe having a magnetic core thus it can be drive from coils outside the pipe so it can pressurize having absolutely no leak of the media inside the tube. It could be made very efficient. Than i thought of if we could add water with a magnetizable media and how a magnetizeable media would behave in the presence of magnetic fields, how to accelerate and magnetize the gas with only magnetic fields. I'm thinking that i would need to use a combination of magneto ad electro hydro dynamics. Would be like an electromagnetic pump.
If we were to use free energy we could already buy wind turbines or solar panels to run our houses, they already exist are there for sale and produce free electricity. Well in comparison with the price we pay for electricity is not actually free, however a small vertical wind turbine is not so expensive and produces big deal of power.
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Tesla thought this before
www . free-energy .ws/ pdf/self_acting_engi ne.pdf www .free-energy.ws/ pdf/neal2030759.pdf (http://www.ionizationx.com/www.free-energy.ws/pdf/self_acting_engine.pdf www.free-energy.ws/pdf/neal2030759.pdf)
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I'm thinking about constructing a resonant tank to test that theory, i sent some emails to try to find some polipropilene film to make the capacitors than i will use copper foil to make the contact leads, this capacitor would handle maybe 100amps easily... but i will work with lower amperage maybe 10 amps max. The thing will be the coil witch i would like to have about 50mh with this i will make the electrostatic inducer having the resonant coil with a secondary winding too so to push the electrons like from the picture isolated from the other coil. I want only electrostatic force to act on the wire thru the diodes.
I think that if i have 10000v 10 amps circulating i will have a great deal of electric force to use for pushing pulling electrons...
I will add spark gaps to protect the capacitor. Maybe with a 10mh coil i can already have some fun here just need the capacitor.
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The technological innovation promises to allow electricity generation by getting energy from ambient air, directing this air to the cooler upper environment through an atmospheric vortex. It can be used to increase the performance of existing power plants to produce electricity from the waste heat.