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Projects by members => Projects by members => Donaldwfc => Topic started by: Donaldwfc on April 13, 2010, 08:19:24 am
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More thoughts will follow.
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Listen to Stephen's Radio Talk, all 6 hours, meanwhile read this patent and think about how it works, ask yourself the right questions, then play with it in the simulator to see what really does what.
This patent is Stephen's version of a WFC, he describes it in a completely different way and uses a somewhat different method. There is a lot of value in understanding this.
I am now researching into some more clues based on what I just learned, and I'll be doing more simulations. I would have to build a new cell to do any experimentation, but before I can do that I have to check out a few more details and see if it's worth it compared to my other plans.
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The only thing i was taking with me about the wfc process from the whole 6 hours was that they calculated a minimum of 13 Volts would be needed to split the water molecule, but 11V was enough for them.
What else important did he say? Most of the time he's telling stories and they discuss stuff not really related to the wfc so i may have overheard stuff.
And the wave-guide stuff obv.
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Well the 11/13 volts explains why this system only uses up to 30 volts, mostly less. What can you determine from that about the system?
What are wave guides?
You are right, he only says specifically a few things, but I think the stories are important as well, they set up the background knowledge and mind set for how Stan and Stephen "Think" and why they make the decisions they make.
He also adds details from before 1981 which I think are useful.
What does Stephen say about his own system? What does he say about Stan's?
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Well the 11/13 volts explains why this system only uses up to 30 volts, mostly less. What can you determine from that about the system?
What are wave guides?
You are right, he only says specifically a few things, but I think the stories are important as well, they set up the background knowledge and mind set for how Stan and Stephen "Think" and why they make the decisions they make.
He also adds details from before 1981 which I think are useful (assuming it works as claimed).
What does Stephen say about his own system? What does he say about Stan's?
That lower voltage is enough if applied in the right waveform.
Wave-Guide: In electromagnetics and communications engineering, the term waveguide may refer to any linear structure that conveys electromagnetic waves between its endpoints.
He also says that his technology exceeded Stan's by far.
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Yea when he said he exceeded Stan's tech, that caught my attention, but he must not be showing that in this patent... he said he started playing around with it and eventually got to the point that he could patent his own system, so this was probably his first worthwhile working system, and he must have advanced it a lot since this, and we don't have those details.
The interesting thing about Stan's Wave-guide's or at least some of them, is that we have the exact measurements. He describes the 4 inch, and the 3 inch cell exactly, plus Dynodons comments.
Stephen's Wave-guides, we don't have the dimensions of, and they do have 3 tubes each. Base on his values resonance is at 468.1 Hz, which you can get out of an alternator depending on your motor and pulleys.
So here is the question, what does this circuit do that Stan's circuit does[not?]?
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The first scope section is across the inductors, which is in the patent at point T1 except different from the inductor to ground (not shown, but you can look), the second is the top and bottom of the resistor to ground, the resistor is actually ringing at the high frequency, and the third is across the resistor which is always unipolar.
$ 1 5.0E-6 0.06872892787909722 50 5.0 50
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R 160 288 128 288 0 1 468.1 25.0 0.0 2.0943951023931953 0.5
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Anyone want to guess how this circuit works or what it's doing?
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http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_14/8.html
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For anyone who wants to learn, i'll offer these questions, and when you find the answer, you will understand both Stan's WFC and Stephens WFC better.
What are wave guides?
What is right before Stephens tubes?
What is the impedance matching circuit for?
Does Stan use waveguides?
What is a resonant cavity?
What is a cavity resonator?
What is right before Stan's tubes?
Does Stan use impedance matching?
What does the circuit look like for the secondary side of a Tesla Coil?
What does the circuit look like for the grounded side of a WFC?
What does a Tesla Coil Transmit?
What is another type of impedance matching used for transmitting devices?
What is being Transmitted?
What happens when you combine two phases of a three phases system with a resonant RLC circuit in between where one phase has a diode?
Does Stan create this same effect in a different way?
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For anyone who wants to learn, i'll offer these questions, and when you find the answer, you will understand both Stan's WFC and Stephens WFC better.
What are wave guides?
What is right before Stephens tubes?
What is the impedance matching circuit for?
Does Stan use waveguides?
What is a resonant cavity?
What is a cavity resonator?
What is right before Stan's tubes?
Does Stan use impedance matching?
What does the circuit look like for the secondary side of a Tesla Coil?
What does the circuit look like for the grounded side of a WFC?
What does a Tesla Coil Transmit?
What is another type of impedance matching used for transmitting devices?
What is being Transmitted?
What happens when you combine two phases of a three phases system with a resonant RLC circuit in between where one phase has a diode?
Does Stan create this same effect in a different way?
Donald,
I think we all are here to learn or to copy from others.
Like many learned or copied from me and all other members.
Sadly enough, no one has showed impressive OU on a waterfuelcell.
Stans way or another way.
If you wanna teach us what you have learned that works, please do so.
I am more then willing to learn and to build, as you should know by now.
To be very honest, i am sometimes a bit sad about the fact we have around 300 members and that so small amount of them is building and or is publishing anything.
This is not something unique. It happens on all the forums. The reason for that is because this wfc stuff costs lots of money and time.
Some are in for the mental challange and the rest are just curious.
Again, for me as a builder it is sometimes very frustrating to see so less results from others.
But i will not forget why i am doing this. Building. Having a forum.
Its because i am sick and tired to watch the world go down on pollution.
I am not afraid that a possible finding is being patents by another.
The energy market is so hugh. The world is so big.
Plenty of room, i would say.
Please share info. Everybody, please share what you know.
It good for yourself and good for the rest of humanity...
So, keep up the good work :D :D
Steve
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For anyone who wants to learn, i'll offer these questions, and when you find the answer, you will understand both Stan's WFC and Stephens WFC better.
What are wave guides?
What is right before Stephens tubes?
What is the impedance matching circuit for?
Does Stan use waveguides?
What is a resonant cavity?
What is a cavity resonator?
What is right before Stan's tubes?
Does Stan use impedance matching?
What does the circuit look like for the secondary side of a Tesla Coil?
What does the circuit look like for the grounded side of a WFC?
What does a Tesla Coil Transmit?
What is another type of impedance matching used for transmitting devices?
What is being Transmitted?
What happens when you combine two phases of a three phases system with a resonant RLC circuit in between where one phase has a diode?
Does Stan create this same effect in a different way?
Donald,
Are you refering towards radiowaves?
To answer your major question:
Impedance matching is done with reason to get a MAXIMUM POWER TRANSFER between source and load.
If we look at Stans circuit, you might even call it a Narrow Band matching network.
Loudspeakers are often matched on impedance by use of an impdance transformer. Tesla coil setup's as well....
Steve
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I understand and support Steve's arguments, so i'll write what i know here real quick before i load the car for work tonight:
For anyone who wants to learn, i'll offer these questions, and when you find the answer, you will understand both Stan's WFC and Stephens WFC better.
What are wave guides?
Hollow tubes or rectangles which "trap" very high frequent electromagnetic waves (for example light) inside and guide them over a distance without large losses (depending on damping, once we used a transparent plastic cable for different light colors, it works over a short distance)
What is right before Stephens tubes?
What is the impedance matching circuit for?
In general impedance matching is for an optimum energy transfer from source to load.
Does Stan use waveguides?
Probably in his later devices ("resonant cavity")
What is a resonant cavity?
What is a cavity resonator?
What is right before Stan's tubes?
bifilars?
Does Stan use impedance matching?
depending on the circuit, maybe
What does the circuit look like for the secondary side of a Tesla Coil?
What does the circuit look like for the grounded side of a WFC?
What does a Tesla Coil Transmit?
What is another type of impedance matching used for transmitting devices?
What is being Transmitted?
What happens when you combine two phases of a three phases system with a resonant RLC circuit in between where one phase has a diode?
Does Stan create this same effect in a different way?
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The Resonant Charging Chokes, either bifilar or on the same core, are an impedance matching device.
They are the same thing that is called a Balun, and are used right before Antennas.
Antennas have similar characteristics to waveguides.
Stan used an impedance matching circuit, and so did Stephen.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdSV2-6sYqk
Here is the kind of impedance matching that applies to this , I was mistaken by the ac type of impedance matching that I do at school , 2 totally diff things .
Dam donald , I think your right , I read about balanced unbalanced setups for audio , but I never quite connected that dot about the bifilar actually being a balun ( bifilar coil wich exists for radio ) .
Cant believe I never saw that , I think I was mesmerized by the whoole vacuum scalar things ..
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How much current flows between the antenna from the radio station and the antenna on my radio?
How much when they are not tuned?
How much when they are tuned?
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How much current flows between the antenna from the radio station and the antenna on my radio?
How much when they are not tuned?
How much when they are tuned?
Donald,
Do you want to suggest that Stan used the old transmitter system (Alternator)
for creating HHO?
How do you explain these very short tubes?
They do not match even a fraction of the wave from a frequency like 600Hz which an alternator can produce.
So, no optimum in matching wave vs tubelenght.
Only an impedance matching circuit?
And would such a system be OU?
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Donald,
Do you want to suggest that Stan used the old transmitter system (Alternator)
for creating HHO?
How do you explain these very short tubes?
They do not match even a fraction of the wave from a frequency like 600Hz which an alternator can produce.
So, no optimum in matching wave vs tubelenght.
Only an impedance matching circuit?
And would such a system be OU?
Sorry for the late reply, I didn't notice this until now.
Here is a piece of information for you, the alternator may produce 400-600 Hz, but as this quote says, it is being Pulsed with a higher frequency, as well as being gated at 60 Hz by half waving the AC.
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Remember that out of all of Stans VIC systems the alternator is the one we have almost the least information on. AND he had several versions and advancements with the Alternator systems over the years! 264
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From where does this piece of info comes from Donald?
Steve
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International Independent Test Report
Page 83
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thanks donald for pointing that out.. its been a while since ive red the report..