A green and clean environment is a human right!
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bubz on February 24, 2010, 17:49:53 pm
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Hello everyone!
I have been thinking a bit about how air ionizers work and finding some rather peculiar similarities to how Stan describes his inventions. Often, Stan spoke of high voltages but never really stood on a specific range. I assume from reading his works, 5Kv on up to 40Kv(depending on the device) were the most mentioned numbers. And as usual, very low current is consumed. I also believe it has been established by the general public, the gases produced from the first process are ionized for several reasons unaddressed in this writing.
The first patented Air Ionizer or Ozone Generator was invented by none other than Nikola Tesla. US Patent #568177. Review closely the drawings illustrated in the patent and see how closely the apparatus resembles the inventions of Stan Meyer. There is one major difference, though, with these two in comparison, a detail which is mostly overlooked or not yet understood. The "Polarity" of the circuit...
Air Ionizers have a polarity. Just by switching the polarity from positive to negative or vice versa, we change the polarity of the ions produced. An ozone generator produces negative ions, while, the reverse will produce super-oxides or unstable atoms of oxygen. Let it be known that these resulted positive ions or super-oxides are not the healthiest elements to be mishandled or consumed by the human body. Super-oxides are destructive when they encounter living cells. Household cleaners like "Oxyclean" use super-oxides for the reason being the atom will accept just about any particle it can get to try to reach equilibrium. Super-oxides may even aid in splitting water. My local water treatment plant uses ozone to treat our water, why not super-oxides?
So, now I have to re-look at my WFC replication and wonder if my setup is polarity positive or negative. Should this small detail make the bit of difference from a working and non-working replication? Is the VIC nothing more than a liquid water to gas ionizer? I had mentioned a little bit of why I think it is a good thing for the trapped bubbles to recirculate back through the tubular array in such a way as to possibly ionize the hydrogen gases therein. Steve had commented and asked about it, which I did not reply. If I may, I wish to address that question with this thread as a whole. I apologize for not replying in a mannerly fashion, for, I had none at the time.
When an atom loses electrons it becomes "electronegative" or also known as unstable because of it's inherent attraction to negative particles, trying to become stable. The more electrons stripped away, the greater the electronegativity. A quote from the Wiki...
Electronegativity, symbol ?, is a chemical property that describes the ability of an atom (or, more rarely, a functional group) to attract electrons (or electron density) towards itself.[1] An atom's electronegativity is affected by both its atomic weight and the distance that its valence electrons reside from the charged nucleus. The higher the associated electronegativity number, the more an element or compound attracts electrons towards it. First proposed by Linus Pauling in 1932 as a development of valence bond theory,[2] it has been shown to correlate with a number of other chemical properties. Electronegativity cannot be directly measured and must be calculated from other atomic or molecular properties. Several methods of calculation have been proposed and, although there may be small differences in the numerical values of the electronegativity, all methods show the same periodic trends between elements.
The most commonly used method of calculation is that originally proposed by Pauling. This gives a dimensionless quantity, commonly referred to as the Pauling scale, on a relative scale running from 0.7 to 4.0 (hydrogen = 2.2). When other methods of calculation are used, it is conventional (although not obligatory) to quote the results on a scale that covers the same range of numerical values: this is known as an electronegativity in Pauling units.
Electronegativity, as it is usually calculated, is not strictly an atomic property, but rather a property of an atom in a molecule:[3] the equivalent property of a free atom is its electron affinity. It is to be expected that the electronegativity of an element will vary with its chemical environment,[4] but it is usually considered to be a transferable property, that is to say that similar values will be valid in a variety of situations. The opposite of electronegativity is electropositivity: a measure of an element's ability to donate electrons.
I can only imagine that when highly unstable oxygen atoms are introduced to a certain amount of water and voltage potential , the water will not only disassociate, but may even combust with very little input to the system in an optimally design device.
I am short on time once again, but, I would like to go over the different gas ionizer topologies and there history to related inventions of others. I have found a wealth of information that I would like to share to anyone venturing into the realm of Stan Meyer.
Thank you and have a great day!
Bubbles(Bubz)
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Bubz,
By all means share the information we are all ears.
The WFC and all related are still wide open as it appears there are a few experiemnters but nothing of any significant difference has been made or shown.
I understand the ozone part of the processor.
Have not looked into polarity of this process after all most of the aim is to pull off an electron from the shell of oxygen.
No one ever spoke of nitrogen, but I believe its here that the nitrogen is also effected.
Also there seems to me there is a dualism.
Sure oxygen with its radicals in various forms od O o2 o3 o4 o5 and maybe more!
But what of the 78% of nitrogen that is not spoken of.
Okay maybe the reformed oxygen effects the water molecule a little I don't know as there is no real proof here yet shown.
To add to the what if, that 78% of nitrogen went through the same field as the oxygen on those polarized plates of hi-voltage in some of the other threads they are speaking of ammonia also.
I think its all in the process because pretty much if you are messing with oxygen you are messing with the nitrogen too!
So now you have various stages of (O) and (N) charged water H2O few H1's More of the H2's then mixes of NH3.
All happening at the cylinder after the mixture leaves the injector with its last hi-voltage field.
We know that O3 is not that good of a product to have around various metal surfaces from the fact it produces oxidations.
So maybe there is not enough O3? to be an oxidant.
Or maybe the final O3 charge is absorbed in the final water mist?
Bottom line I agree is that the procerss of air-ionizers is very much the same process as what is being used here to produce the final fuel.
Yet many unanswered questions, and a huge opening here for devices to be made.
So on the question of polarity, how exactly can we change the polarity?
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Fantastic post,
From Tesla's Patent
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Makes perfect sense for why Stan pumps water through the tubes as well.
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There are two basic topologies that can be utilized for gas ionization purposes. The first, such as Tesla's patent shows is the typical transformer and the motor is a dual function of driving the fan and rectification of the secondary. In our case we can use a diode or bridge in it's place if practical. The second is the "Voltage Multiplier" or originally known as a "Cockcroft–Walton generator". The latter circuitry is what you will find in almost all air ionizers sold today. The circuit is rather simple to understand and build, plus, they sell inexpensive kits online on a variety of websites. $15.00 and some assembly required. The cheapest assembled kit I know of can be found @ amazing1.com if you care to look. I have the exact same version as the one sold @ amazing1 although it came pre-built which leaves out the option of reversing the circuitry's polarity. I will have to purchase another and all I have to do is install the diodes in backwards. That's it! For measuring of the ions being emitted by the two devices, I will have to build an ion detector which is also a kit available @ amazing1. I also think it is possible the ion detector will be able to detect ions from the gasses produced from my demo cell, if there is any at all.
A good air ionizer does not need a fan. There is a magnetohydrodynamic effect that is produced by these devices. It is best known as an "Ionic Wind". The same is true with water. This technology has been shown by Stan in a drawing(which I can't find right now) of how he could move water through a looping pipe and a single cell fixed inside the loop. Think MHD drive like the ones used in the movie "Red October". And of course, the EPG units are based on the underlying technology also. Exit port tapering is another fine detail Stan utilized.
Another invention I found to be the reciprocal of ionizing gasses to the point of combustion, are the devices invented to extinguish or limit the oxidation reaction of fire/plasma. This Biefeld-Brown Effect cools by absorbing ions produced by plasma such as a simple gas torch flame. This technology is used for welding when a certain temperature has to be maintained during the welding of certain materials.
So, all in all, what do all these relative devices have in common? They all are design to either capture or accelerate particles! "No one ever thought of using a particle accelerator" Stan Meyer quoted from the New Zealand videos.
Nitrogen. what little I know about nitrogen is the by-product nitrogen oxide being produced in ICE's without the aid of an EGR(exhaust gas recirculation) system. Sound familiar? Another Wiki quote...
In internal combustion engines, exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) is a nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions reduction technique used in most petrol/gasoline and diesel engines.
EGR works by recirculating a portion of an engine's exhaust gas back to the engine cylinders. In a gasoline engine, this inert exhaust displaces the amount of combustible matter in the cylinder. This means the heat of combustion is less, and the combustion generates the same pressure against the piston at a lower temperature. In a diesel engine, the exhaust gas replaces some of the excess oxygen in the pre-combustion mixture.
Because NOx formation progresses much faster at high temperatures, EGR reduces the amount of NOx the combustion generates. NOx forms primarily when a mixture of nitrogen and oxygen is subjected to high temperature.
I admit, I have never pondered the idea of ionized nitrogen until recently when it was brought up in another thread. I am certain nitrogen plays a part in the over all process, though, I don't know enough of it yet to make any suitable comment or opinion.
Thanks again for your time and ideals!
Bubz
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Electrohydrodynamics may be the better word? A video for you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4YCojUlBZA
lol, ok two videos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-8OoP4pyfc&feature=related
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An even bigger bang for your buck!
I got a second wind and would like to add a bit about the combustion and how Stan found the bigger bang for less. In short, the nucleus. Those eight protons in the middle of the oxygen atom. It is possible to pull these particles apart. Even just a little tug will provide an extreme amount of energy. Stan describes it in the document "The Atomic Energy Balance of Water". I noticed in this document he chose to use the word "Universal Energy" where others would say "Aether" or "Scalar Energy". I can't say I have any supporting evidence of this nor do I have any reference to compare to. I do know of the advances in Superdeformation of Nuclei. A quote from this page... hxxp://www.halexandria.org/dward164.htm Although, it may not be relevant. You be the judge.
Nuclei are considered to be superdeformed when the nucleus acquires an elongated shape that can be represented as an approximate ellipsoid where the ratio of the long to short axis is considerably larger than 1.3 to 1. [1] Greiner and Sandulescu [2] have discussed in some detail how superasymmetric, superdeformed nuclei can spontaneously fission. In these cases, the deformation is sufficiently extreme that the once spherical nucleus more closely resembles a bowling pin (but without the flat bottom). While fission reactions are rare, their occurrence does emphasize the degree to which nuclear deformation can reach.
Nuclear deformation is of interest for many reasons, but in the case of the precious metals, it is particularly important when these metals reach a condition of being a microcluster [3], or more significantly become monoatomic (not connected to like atoms). In the case of microclusters being deposited in thin films, they can function as superconductors. If one adds high spin to these monoatomic elements, the orbits of nucleons and electrons are reconfigured -- i.e. Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements (ORME).
The Collective Model of the nucleus maintains that “the outer part of the nucleus can deform when the outer nucleons move with respect to the nucleons of the inner nucleus.” This model is similar to a liquid drop model. These deformations, however, require that “the nucleus gain or lose energy.” [2] The degree to which the shape of the nucleus reacts to the change in energy is strongly dependent upon the element in question. Some nuclei are considered to be playing hard ball, while others are referred to as soft nuclei.
As the electrons and their orbits are warped into toward the nucleus, the protons in the nucleus are more attracted to the closer electrons, and the result is nuclear deformation (but one which warps the nuclei into an alignment in the same direction as the force -- instead of the perpendicularly oriented electronic orbits). Such nuclear superdeformations and similar phenomena in electrons may be conducive to the formation of Cooper pairs. And with Cooper pairs comes Superconductivity.
The essence of the ORME theory is that one is dealing with high-spin, superdeformed nuclei, whose electrons form Cooper pairs, and thus the monoatomic elements become a beam of light, a superconducting medium. Experiments with Fullerenes (clusters of 60 Copper atoms) have, when doped with Potassium, yielded superconductors (especially when imperfections are smoothed away by repeated heating and cooling. This variable sequence of annealing allows the material to reach its ideal state.
In strongly rotating, superdeformed nuclei, Shimizu and Broglia [4] have suggested that “superconductivity should disappear for particles in the quantal size effects (QSE’s) regime, when the energy difference between two discrete one-electron states is comparable to the energy gap of the superconducting state. This means that small superconductors with fewer than 104 to 105 electrons as, e.g., atomic nuclei should be strongly affected by quantal size effects.” Conversely, with fewer and fewer electrons, as one approaches the microcluster, and ultimately the monoatomic state, the superdeformed rotational bands contribute to the pairing correlations in nuclei.
In a separate paper, Shimizu, et al, [5] have noted that, “The most collective phenomenon displayed by the many-body nuclear system is independent particle motion, where all nucleons adjust their motions so that each proton and neutron move independently in an average field. Striking regularities are associated with this phenomenon: for example, the appearance of large gaps in the single-particle system and of ‘magic’ numbers for both protons and neutrons leading to especially stable systems, known as closed shell nuclei.”
The distinction between so-called closed shell nuclei and those of the Precious Metals is noteworthy. On the one hand, the precious elements, the Transition Elements of Group VIII in the Periodic Table of the Elements, have numbers of nucleons radically distinct from those elements having the closed shells predicted by Nuclear Shell Structure theory. The latter shows closures when the number of nucleons are 2, 8, 20, 28, 40, 50, 82, 126, and 184. On the other hand, the number of protons for Ruthenium through Silver are 44 through 47 (i.e. midway between 40 and 50); while Osmium through Gold has 76 through 79. The numbers for neutrons of say, Rhodium 103 is 58; while Iridium 191 or 193, has 114 or 116 neutrons. These are clearly distinct from the closed shells.
On the other hand, Argon 38, which has a chemically closed shell for electrons (and is thus considered one of the inert gases -- i.e. little if any tendency toward chemical reactions -- also exhibits a closed shell of 20 neutrons, but does not have a closed shell of protons (18). While this does not lead to superdeformation or superconductivity, it does, for reasons not readily explainable, cause Argon to be apparently critical as an impurity in air in the case of Sonoluminiscence. Also, Calcium 40 has closed nuclear shells of protons and neutrons and is thus extremely stable from a nuclear viewpoint -- even though with two electrons to share, it is chemically quite active.
“The discovery of superdeformed rotational bands during the past years opens a new chapter in the study of nuclei under conditions of extreme deformations and angular momenta.” “The spectra of rapidly rotating nuclei reveal two distinct components in the buildup of the total angular momentum, corresponding to alignment of orbital angular momentum of individual particles and to collective rotation.” [5]
I.e. Spin is important! Furthermore, this is the same angular momentum which is critical to Hyperdimensional Physics -- and if you really want to get right down to it, probably all aspects of Connective Physics. By the simple expedient of rotating a nucleus (where the total number of nucleons is more than 150) to the point of superdeformation, it is thus possible to encounter spontaneous fission. But if the latter is possible, then a meshing of these superdeformed nuclei may result in the nuclei themselves become superconducting. Part of the reason for the latter is due to superextreme accelerations and deaccelerations, which are in turn the key elements of The Fifth Element, Sonoluminescence, and potentially Hyperdimensional Physics as well.
Surprise! All of the physics is interrelated, and everything is connected. But you’ve figured that out by now, right? So, if you’re so smart, why aren’t you outside playing?
Additional information on this subject -- in the event of really lousy weather outside -- is included in the Scientific Literature, and annotated description of the peer-reviewed, highly relevant journal articles on the fascinating subject of ORME and all of it s related and supporting physics and biology.
Goodnight!
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Stan's Atom
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Keely's Atom
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Nassim's Atom
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Thx for bringing this up Bubz .
This is important .
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Interesting Bubz!
I like this info.
Steve
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Stan's Atom
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Keely's Atom
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Nassim's Atom
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Donald,
I have seen these shapes before, but i have also read that this flat circle orbits is just a way to show the people and that in real these electrons are not in perfect circles.
Anybody any info on this?
Steve
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I think that the rotating particles are nucleus particles. quarks revolving around the universal energy pathway !
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Bubz thats great information.
Lets find a example for a basic test in a garage test environment.
I take it since the ionizer will use its own EHD or MHD effect so particles build up and circulate in a vicinity of near proximety unless other air currents would move them further.
But what of the oxidizing process, in this most basic form of ionizing air?
Lets consider a few test situations.
Auto intake, installed in the airfilter sounds good but what of the mass air-flow sensor right after the intake does it suffer oxidations and ruin the sensor?
Older auto without sensors, in air filter above carburator, what happens to the carburator body over time?
Do we mix hydroxyl with it?
Will hydroxyl ignite if going past corona discharges, if so it must be installed after ionizer electrodes.?
Other applications would be a weld torch, cooking burner, furnace heater, etc.
What are the effects of oxidation to surrounding metal parts?
Once this is figured is there a line of too much or too little ozone to create the proper effect, so a controlled output may be in order.
By looking at Meyers drawings of the patents or memo's you see this process being used completely throughout the whole automobile.
In order to start what would you suggest as to the most basic form of electrode and maybe how to create a control for the process.
From reading other patents there is a point of too much, how can we determine whats too much ozone?
Just trying to see what you got in mind for applying and controlling the process maybe in just a test apparatus.
In case anyone needs a link to see Tesla patent:
http://keelynet.com/tesla/00568177.pdf (http://keelynet.com/tesla/00568177.pdf)
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Ozone(O3) is the opposite of what we are looking for. O3 is a negative ion or anion since it has extra electrons. We want to strip electrons from the atom making it a positive ion or cation. The hydrogen atom will also be positive without it's electron, giving us the advantage of all atoms repelling each other, inhibiting premature combustion or reformation back into water. Sort of a nice perk, eh? No need to worry about any corrosive effects with metals or hydrogen embrittlement either.
Komtek, In my opinion, if a person was dedicated enough to build a fully working water powered car, he would be better off making an offer for the original and restoring it. For a poor man's sake, you would be better off converting a small 5hp motor. Driving your car to work with just water in the tank in the near future is not a realistic goal. It can be a realistic goal, but not for one man. I do have a little gem for you though if you care to have a gander.
OK, I have established in short the methods I believe Stan used. Positively charged intake air(ionized), liquid to gas ionization(cell), and exhaust gas recirculation, are the three main components working in tandem. Allow me to offer you an inexpensive device that has all three of these components and can be built over a weekend. you can have it for as little as $50.00, prices will vary depending on the motor or engine being retrofitted. But wait! There's more! Thousands have used this retrofit already and we have testimonial after testimonial showing that this device works! Whats the catch? It isn't a WFC exactly. it's a GEET! Think about that for a bit and let me read your comments.
You guys are the best! Goodnight!
Bubbles
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Okay we have just shifted the idea presented earlier to another idea basically in the same catagory, that is still a excellent choice.
Combining several of the principals that can be used on a large motor eventually, but something more practical that can be made and installed possibly with ease and a few parts.
Moved from a engine to a motor, no problem. More realistic to prove a point.
Geet has many possibilities anyway, its a fine choice.
Bubz, if I may say you remind me of someone. (Thats a good thing)!
The GEET technology has been broken down many times.
Do you have or can you add something that makes this even easier for a layman to put together and install?
Apparently it appears easy but another breakdown of the tech is always good.
So what are you suggesting?
Just to ponder here is the beginning of WFC installation of the type that has the most efficiency that I have seen.
Meaning this device outputs 2LPM roughly at 10amp current. It will pay for itself, time of payback depends on how much you drive.
Its easy to attain twice the mileage on a vehicle with a booster. Apparently a small motor V4 - V6 will do better in mileage gains.
Higher the compression will help on more mileage.
Maybe large V8 won't find that doubling.
Here's a couple of pics: rough in.
I don't want to change the direction of this discussion. But for something easy to install on a vehicle a booster delivers the goods. I was interested in some sort of ionization that could also enhance this booster.
Maybe at a later time.
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Quite the contrary my friend! The WFC and the GEET are very much one in the same. Please allow me to explain... The differences being Meyers used electrical based devices compared to Pantone using a more mechanical means to do the same processes. Both ionize the incoming fuel mixture before combustion and both utilize the exhaust gas recirculation system. It is very feasible to design a GEET system to run on 100% water if one just uses an educated imagination. What I mean by educated imagination is using the knowledge you have gained with water electrolysis and apply it to a GEET type system and you may have a working yet inexpensive model. Don't expect fantastic results right away, tuning takes time for things like this. The Beautiful thing about the GEET system is not only the simplicity but the ease, of building and seeing results right away with a variety of fuel sources.
A parallel reason for bringing the GEET in to the discussion was to instill design creativity and open new up new possibilities to a rather fascinating puzzle. It is one thing to understand the WFC and it is another to make it real. I didn't come to my conclusions from thought experiments or doing math equations trying to explain to the world how it works. I did it in reverse and built first guessed later. Reviewing and refining what I had learned.
A hypothetical question for you. If I were to be able to convince any one of you by either demonstration or whatever means it takes showing any ICE based system running on 100% water, what would you do with that information? Would you be willing to keep my name out of it and keep my privacy? What would be the best way to make sure this technology is made out in the open ensuring a world wide change for the better? I can tell you from experience there is a great resistance to this tech and we need an alternative to the current business model that plagues this world from true human creativity. I can only see an underground revolution of a network of people building devices for mass roll-out at the ripe old price of buying the parts and building it. If we could get 10,000 people to demonstrate 10,000 identical working prototypes all in one day around the world by surprise. What would happen to the world on that day with a paradigm shift such as this? You think any one will notice?
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Here is an ionizer circuit on the cheap!
hxxp://store.qkits.com/moreinfo.cfm/QK57
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Bubz, thanks alot for the links.
You got something in mind and sounds good although it appears you are holding back. (Maybe for the interest for more involement and other listeners).
I understand about no-names! No problem with me, its aggreed that involvement has to have a certain level of privacy for all, and no fear.
How about it any others to jump in?
You have and are sparking my interest, I'm behind you.
I suggest you get started, lets discuss the geet parts and assembly once more other than Stevie's geet thread project.
Allow me to suggest, start a new thread.
Hopefully there will be something to point out and make this as easy as possible to replicate (in laymans terms), not just for myself but for others.
Maybe you can post some facts of experience.
I'm sure you have experienced some of the problems associated with the technology and have altered them to the appropriate construction of the device and its variables of use.
You have something important to convey, see if we can get some projects moving along or at least started.
Maybe we can build the replication followers slowly, to get this started along.
There is no fast way and will never be. One step at a time, change does not happen overnight.
In order to make it happen it must be initiated and started.
From seeing technology evolving over the past few years I think its accepted to the point of open arms with much of the population.
Also like you say there is possibly a fear from sources or organizations maybe, where this implies privacy is needed.
You seem a little hesitant, lets try to put that to rest and open this up.
What can I do to help this along?
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OK, I will try to keep this as garage tech as possible. Let's start with learning how to make the right type of ionizer. We will need certain tools to make sure we are producing the the desired ions and not the usual ozone. this part is very important. I found a wonderful website outlining the "Ion Detector".
hxxp://www.naturalsolutions1.com/iondetect.htm
Build An Ion Detector and Test Your Negative Ionizer
by Vincent Vollono from "Spring 1994 Electronics Hobbyists Handbook"
Ions are defined as electrically charged atoms. Positively charged ions have a deficiency of electrons, and negatively charged ions have a surplus of electrons. An ion can also be classified as an atom or molecule with an electrostatic charge. Another classification of an ion is a charged particle that is formed when one or more electrons are taken from or added to a previously neutral atom or molecule.
The Ion Detector described in this article can be used to detect the presence of free ions in the air. The Ion Detector, a handheld unit about the size of a pack of cigarettes, is designed to indicate ion emissions from Ion Generators, high-voltage leakage points, static-electricity sources, electric-field gradients, and in other situations where the presence of their relative flux density is required.
The front cover features, a sensitivity control with on-off switch, a high flux indicator lamp, and a panel meter. An antenna, mounted on the top of the unit, serves an external ion collector. A strip of metallic foil on the outside of the plastic enclosure touches the users hand and is used to ground the unit. For fixed applications, the strip can be replaced by a wire connected to the ground.
Circuit Description. Figure 1 shows a schematic diagram of the Ion Detector - a rather simple circuit consisting of three transistors (two PN2907 PNP units, and a single PN2222 NPN unit), three resistors, an antenna, and an LED.
In that circuit, a telescoping antenna is used as the pickup. In the presence of an ion field, ions accumulate on the antenna, causing a minute negative current to flow to the base of Q1. Capacitor C1 and resistor R1 form an RC network, whose function is to eliminate any rapid fluctuations. Once the negative current becomes large enough, it causes Q1 to turn on, connecting the negative terminal of battery B1 to the base of Q2. That forward biases Q2, causing it to turn on. That, in turn, couples the base of Q3 to the positive terminal of the battery, forward biases Q3 - whose collector is in series with current-limiting resistor R2 and meter-sensitivity control R3 - causing it to conduct.
With Q3 turned on, meter M1 indicates (in a non-linear manner) the relative level of ion flux, while LED1 (which is connected in series with Q3's emitter) lights to give a visual indication of strong ion fields. It should be noted that in order for the unit to operate properly, some sort of ground is usually required.
Metallic tape is used in the prototype to provide a convenient contact for the users hand, thereby providing a partial ground. If possible, such as when the unit is used as a monitor at a permanent location, the detector should be grounded to a water pipe, or some other convenient grounding point.
The detector is set up to detect negative ions. It can be made to detect positive ions by simply reversing the polarity of the transistors that comprise the circuit, i.e., PNP units become NPN units, and NPN transistor is replaced by a PNP unit. It should not that the performance of the detector is seriously affected by high humidity. Damp or moist air tends to impair the circuits ability to detect ion flux.
The Ion Detector can be used to give a quick indication of the presence of a negative ion field, aid in identifying its source, and indicate its relative strength, but it is not designed to provide an absolute measurement of flux intensity. The circuit can also be used to aid in making adjustments to ion sources, by noting the meter's needle deflection as you attempt to increase or decrease ion emissions. The Ion Detector can also be used to ferret out residual ion fields, check for ion leakage (in shielding tests, for example), or to test for static charges (in people's clothes, fluorescent lighting, plastic containers, certain winds, etc.), along with a host of other applications.
( Our Note: R1 We could not find a 100-megohn resister. We used (5) 20-megohn resisters in SERIES to get a Series total of 100-megohms.)
ADDITIONAL PARTS AND MARTERIALS
Perfboard materials, plastic enclosure, 9-volt battery holder and connector, wire, solder, hardware, etc.
Construction. The author's prototype of the Ion Detector was assembled on a section of perfboard, using point-to-point wiring for inter component connections. Pay close attention to the orientation of the polarized components (diodes, transistors, electrolytic capacitors, etc.), as well as the polarization of the DC source that will power the circuit when assembling the circuit. It is very important that you verify all your interconnecting wiring.
It is highly recommended that the circuit be enclosed in a plastic project box. Once the circuit is completed, a 1/2 inch wide strip of aluminum is attached to the side of the enclosure, and is then connected to the circuit board (at the junction of C1, the positive lead of the panel meter, and the positive terminal of the battery) as shown in Fig. 1. The aluminum strip serves as the circuit's grounding point. The grounding strip can be replaced or supplemented by a wired alligator clip for connection to a "true" earth ground ( a water pipe, for instance).
The author used a telescoping antenna as the ion pickup in his prototype unit; however, a piece of stiff wire (a wire hanger, for example) would also work. In either case, the antenna must be electronically isolated; i.e., it should not be connected to ground in any way. Note that S1 (the on-off switch) is piggy-backed to potentiometer R3 (a 5K potentiometer that serves as the meter's sensitivity control). You can also use a potentiometer with a piggy-back switch or use two separate components.
For meter M1, the author used a small 100-mA panel meter; using a meter with a rating other than that specified may affect the performance of the unit. It is also important to remember that any leakage around the input of Q1 will reduce the circuit's sensitivity. To help prevent (or at least reduce) leakage, the circuit can be coated with a high-quality varnish. If you decide to coat the circuit, make sure that the unit is completely clean and dry before applying the varnish.
Use. To demonstrate the unit's sensitivity, run a plastic comb through your hair, and place it near the antenna of the Ion Detector. Making sure that the unit is grounded (either by the user touching the aluminum strip or by connecting an earth ground to the circuit), bring the comb near the antenna. As the comb is brought near the antenna, you'll note a needle deflection on the meter (indicating the presence of ions), and LED1 lights. As the detector is brought closer to the ion source, the meter needle should deflect harder. If the needle deflects too hard (pegs), R3 can be adjusted to bring the meter reading on scale. That's all there is to it. While the Ion Detector is not a precision instrument, it can come in handy in your workshop or laboratory.
Please Note: When using to check Negative Ionizer generator operation, NEVER let the antenna of the ion detector touch needle tips of ionizer. If the Negative Ionizer is working and producing alot of negative ions, it will show up on the Ion Detector as far away as 1 to 10 feet from the Negative Ionizing unit.
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I'm gonna assume you all have a grasp on the ion detector and move on the the intake ionizer design and implementation. We have to take into consideration the amount of air being consumed by the motor and the amount of ionized air our device can make. If our ionizer is using a low powered driver, we won't have enough ions to work with. Remember, the more electrons we can strip off, the higher the electronegativity. Extremely unstable oxygen atoms looking to fill their missing electrons. A good electrode design will incorporate a large surface area formed to a turbine/vortex fashion. This device will have to be electrically isolated to prevent shorts. We won't need a carburetor, so we can somehow attach the ionizer to the intake manifold. Here are a couple of pics with some design ideas...
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When you get better acquainted with gas ionizers, you may soon come to a realization and a foreshadowing clue to the WFC. When dealing with designing electrode configurations of ionizers, we find if the gap space is too close , it will short out. If the gap is to far the effect is impaired or non-functional. The size of the gap space or spaces, will also be dependent upon the voltage potential level. The higher the voltage, the bigger gap space. We are trying to achieve an optimal coronal discharge just before the dead short threshold where a spark jumps the gap and shorts out the circuit. If you've ever worked with Tesla Coils, auto ignition systems, Jacobs Ladders, or any high voltage circuit that has a spark gap, this will be easy for you.
What was this clue? I began to wonder what would happen to an ionizer if maybe some atomized water from a ultrasonic humidifier passed through the electrodes. Would it break apart the water molecules? I should of known better it would short out. I had to be sure though... I thought to myself,"It sure would be nice if I could find a way to be able to push water droplets through this ionizer without it shorting out." I remembered a bit about the NST we used for a Jacob's Ladder experiment in the works and how the ballast worked. The NST outputs 5Kv 35ma during a closed shorted state. Basically it can sustain a good spark for a long time without destroying the circuit. A ballast is like a current limiter for dead short conditions.
To make a long story short, I finally realized why these resonant chokes had to be in the circuit. Whether it was a transformer or voltage multiplier, this coil has to be there to keep the circuit from shorting out when ever water was present. With the chokes added to the circuit, the spark that normally shorted the circuit, now just intermittently sparked like clockwork and didn't kill the circuit. There was no tuning involved or any math used. I just made a quick small bifilar coil and placed it in the circuit. No holds barred.
I'm going to take a little break before I go into depth with resonant chokes which is gonna take a few words to say. I may not be able to sleep tonight so I'll try to write as much as I can.
I am sad to announce my little brother has died today. My dear Randy, may you rest in peace!
Bubz
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Hi Bubz,
I am sorry to hear about you loosing a brother.
Hang in there.
Steve
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Bubz,
Nice ion measurment tool schematic. Never thought about using one, but this is pretty nice.
I am working on my ambient air ionizer. My work is killing all myh free time, however, i think i will get some time this week to finish my first HV ionizer, which can fit on my motorbike.
That way i can see what it does when the bike runs on HHO.
Steve
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Bubz,
Sorry to hear about your little brother, may he rest in peace.
Hopefully you have many fond memories, I lost my little brother when we were very young.
I guess the measurement device will come in handy for being able to point out neg or pos charged particles on a scale even.
On hand I have a 600mg perhour device and looks like to use for this application will have to rewire into the new electrode design.
Also other ionzers that may be possible, a small spa unit found at pool supply of fish tank supply, they come with timing circuits you may have to disable.
Have to work on that electrode setup. The vortex is just for mixing or swirling action isn't it? Or should we design an electrode setup aound the vortex blades?
Is it possible to use maybe some tungston wire isolated from its base (maybe a couple inch PVC pipe base placed so it won't melt?) and 2 electrodes sort of cross hatch woven under or over that vortex, or 2 large stainless steel screens with enough seperation between?
Also I tested this ionizer under water just to see if it could make a bubble.
Put it in a bucket of tap water and didn't notice anything. Tried for about 3 minutes.
Then reassembled the unit and it still works and am using it last few months for ionizing my smoking area which is the garage.
The ionizer helps get rid of the smokey residual smell very quickly.
Don't know if this is the type of ionizer you have in mind but its in my grasp and ready to be used as I had purchased it for this originally.
Also wanted to mention as it may be helpfull a small used working pull Neon Sign 6kv supply might be able to be purchased at ebay for as little as $10.00.
Picked up one a while back.
Its funny you mention sleep.
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When we look at a VIC diagram and take out the chokes, you can see all we have here is a step-up transformer and two plates. Compare this to a "Bipolar Tesla Coil". With Tesla coils we can easily reach extremely high voltages with ease. Each turn in succession towards the positive end of the secondary rises in voltage where the potential at the very end on the last turn can be millions of volts. Imagine the Tesla Coil secondary as an electromagnet, where the positive end is north with a extremely high potential, as the south end is 0V. Does this make sense? You can do easy experiments with coils and see this effect where the potential rises in a linear fashion as you measure down the coil. This is important to remember.
A long time ago, I was playing around with an ignition coil and some ignition wire from the junk yard. I soon understood that they make ignition wire with a really high resistance. My experiment wasn't working right for the fact the wires were way to resistive to get a small spark easily. I was perplexed as to why they do this. It seemed a waste to impede current to create a spark. I was told it is to keep the ignition wires from shorting to the block. Aha, this made sense to me. I have seen this happen with other high voltage experiments where a primary will short to the secondary if the insulation was inadequate. Well, we can do this too with our VIC or ionizer circuit, but resistance is a waste of energy. It works, but your just wasting the energy your trying to save. Like trying to fill a bucket with a hose full of holes. Resistance also adds to the voltage drop and we don't need any more of that than what we already have.
We have to some how choke the current off just before the plates like a valve. As with an Ionizer, the same with a VIC, if we have a dead short condition, the current will rise and the voltage will drop to 0v for an instant of time. If you think about it. The large part of resistance in the ionizer is the air between the plates and the circuit mainly sees it as a resistance. Remember we can change the resistance by changing the gap space or we can adjust the voltage to the gap space to the point of coronal discharge. A sort of sweet spot between dead short and off. When we add water to the circuit, it's like adding a wire in between the plate making a dead short. Enter the "Resonant Charging Chokes".
Inductors have an array of uses such as ballasts, filters, resonators, and so on. They have many qualities we can utilize in our circuits. One of the inherent properties of an inductor coil is it's resistance to fast rising current. This quality helps us to keep a runaway current draw as a ballast is designed to do, allowing us to have many dead shorts without harm. It acts much like resistive wires without the resistance. Or like a valve holding back the current. In our case though we have a bifilar coil which allows us to keep the qualities of the single coil and some added benefits when we have two in parallel with the direction of the current running opposite of each other. At first this coil resembles a non-inductive series bifilar coil which is used in the industry for a type of wire wound resistor, but this is not what we have when we do what we do with it. Here is where the resonance comes in...
I need to take a break for some family matters... I'll start resonance in a few hours.
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A sort of sweet spot between dead short and off.
i think you just defined the resistance were matching in the circuit and the frequency that applies to..
that quote made me think thats the 0 were are tuning into..
if a cell arks at 100 volts for example and is considered the break down point then what happens if the circuit is tuned into that as the 0.. what i mean by this is lets say you want 100 volts potential across the cell that goes into dielectric breakdown at 100 volts.. and you know 100 is the breakdown point.. then would it not make sense to oscillate a potential of 150v peak 50 volt low on a 50 percent duty cycle.. this is how you balance dwell time with off time..???
here is a higher voltage example.. lets say 10kv is breakdown point.. and you want 20kv across the cell wouldnt the circuit need need to goto 20 kv and down to 0 volts? and that same coil if needed to only goto 10 thousand volts in the gap would then need to goto 15kv down to 5 kv in 50 percent cycle?
40kv for 10 kv breakdown properties would oscillate 30kv high negative 10kv low
so what im saying is maybe resonance being established to a dielectric is all about centering your oscillation on the break down point.. so you spend 50 percent current and 50 percent not and you center the difference of potential to it.
higher voltage means you will reach breakdown point quicker across the cell there will be a varable of dwell time (time current dwells and time it doesnt..) which is the 50 percent duty.. this dwell time is most likely has its sweet spots for different potentials if so then that establishes the resonant frequency for water at different potentials
when pulsing the circuit i think it is possible to tune into that sweet spot and allow current in balance which means no current ???
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Thats where the duty cycle comes into play , we must stop the voltage just before arcing , then start over again and let new air fill the gap . There is no real way to sense the current and stop the voltage just in time quickly enough other than duty cycle and trial and error .
If you need help in desiging a circuit for some experiments I can do this .
Ionization is more the type of thing that can be done this is the direction this forum should take .
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There is no real way to sense the current and stop the voltage
there is a way and its called resonance.. it when a coil drops in amp and voltage rises in a circuit.... so to know when to stop current you need a circuit that can detect a change in current and adjusts to keep it at it minimal.. wouldnt that be the pll circuit with its winding? on the core? its constantly trying to maintain the high voltage while it fluxuate to the changing of dielectric resistance since during production it cannot remain constant it fluxes due to gasses and change in variables.
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What I see is a lot of variables in the voltage of your power supply.
To a point at and or near corona discharge would be a adjustment of your electrode spacing.
I don't think corona discharge is needed for the ionization but just a vicinity ionization.
In case of corona discharge and then a real short-arc there would be a ballast or maybe some coils to help restrict current from flowing over and drawing to high to effect the power supply. Its almost like a safety.
When I stuck my ionizer in a water bath you figure it should have shorted the power supply. I imagine the resistance of the windings to current flow saved the power supply.
I thought resonance is the condition where the current and voltage are both at matching peaks to each other. A PLL and pick-up winding would adjust the frequency so the peaks are in unison. At that point it becomes the most efficient and current will drop or be at its highest efficiency. In our situations for cell type circuits I understand the voltage rises too. I wonder if voltage rises because we don't use a earth ground, its floating reacting with the transformer?
Here's a video from Jetijs on the ionization and the self wind it creates.
Also note I think his positive electrode is just a single centralized straight piece appears on the side and the negative is a frame of some sort.
With this setup it appears the ionization is done in general vicinity and its hard to see any corona discharge.
Very nice simple and informative.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzjMwqKv8Gg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzjMwqKv8Gg)
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Resonance... Not to be confused with "Resonant Action". These are totally two different things happening in the same device but different locations in the device working in tandem, sort of... Every coil has self resonant frequencies. The resonance we are looking for is a parallel type resonance where our voltage rises to infinity and the current drops very low. I mentioned earlier about visualizing a coil as a magnet. each coil has a north and south pole. What happens when we resonate both wires in our coil but each coils polarity is reversed from each other? We have an electrical tension. In a perfect world, a non-inductive coil like ours has the electromagnetic field canceled due to the direction of the current in each wire being opposite of each other. Well, this clearly is not a perfect world and not all of the magnetic field is canceled out. Small compressed rays of electromagnetic energy is radiating out the sides of the coil where the wires do not touch. Some call these scalar waves, or a type of interference pattern. Being that there is some EM energy, a core can store this energy more efficiently and be used, somehow.
The beauty of this coil, when properly tuned to how it's used, it can act like a large capacitor where you step charge it till the threshold voltage is reached and it discharges the energy it stored. Not only that, remember that a coil is resistant to rapid changes in current so it can't release a lot of current quickly like a capacitor does. It's rather hard to explain. So, once it reaches that snap, it starts over. All the energy is kept bundled up in the chokes and keeping the voltage high at the same time, making the water look like just another resistive medium. We tune an ionizer for the dielectric of the air, we tune the WFC for the dielectric of the water. I also mentioned earlier about how each turn of a coil can increase in voltage as you progress down the coil. Each coil is inducing it's opposite field into each other creating more tension in this particular bifilar setup. Some call it a tensor coil.
I am sorry but my thoughts are jumping back and forth and my writing is fragmented. I hope I'm not confusing anyone. The chokes are where some of the magic is at and I find it hard to explain it in a sensible way. I'm going to end here with the chokes by saying, though the chokes are needed for many purposes, they are not really contributing to the resonant action in the cell. Having resonant chokes in the system does not ensure gas production. If not done right you won't see anything and have really no clue why?
Bubz
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Resonant Action and Resonant Cavities
This is the final puzzle for me and I haven't quite figured it out yet. At least not that I am aware of. I still have a few tricks up my sleeve for these special occasions but this is starting to get complicated. Well, so it seems...
My biggest question though at this point is "How do I know what to look for when a resonant cell is resonating?"
The Resonant Action Stan describes is pretty basic to comprehend, although, I have not a clue as to anything else in the world that bounces particles back and forth like Stan describes. Except for a tubed wind instrument like a flute or clarinet. In our case we have a tube with a rod in the middle of it. how does this affect resonance?
Thinking out loud... Can we get a similar effect with ionized air? Since it is a resonant cavity, I would imagine in resonance, the cell should make a whistling sound. Do the resonant chokes need to be specifically designed to a certain frequency that matches the resonant frequency of the cell?
I need to think about this for a bit. Here is a quote from "Atomic Energy Balance of Water" for review.
Resonant Propagation
These highly energized and liberated water bath atoms, now, causes Resonant Action to occur at a progressive rate during continued voltage stimulation ... giving way to the following operational parameters of hydrogen gas production for energy utilization from natural water:
Resonant Action(point of particle oscillation) occurs when applied pulse voltage frequency is adjusted to tune-in" to the Dielectric Resonance of water via voltage Intensifier Circuit whereas, applied voltage amplitude which is independent of Resonance Frequency is adjusted to cause water bath atoms to
momentarily enter into Liquid-to-gas ionization state .... ejecting negative charged electrons… forming positive charged atoms having missing electrons ... forming negative charged atoms by electrons capture.
Compounding Action(deflection of electrical charged particles) by way of voltage stimulation aids Resonant Action by superimposing particle impact onto to the Electrical Polarization Process.
I think I was understanding this a little backward...
Bubz
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You've been posting some good stuff. It's nice to see you are doing original thinking and research into Stan's material. There are far too few people doing this.
As Stan lays it out, it appears resonant action and ionization are the result of simply advancing and improving on the VIC circuit.
Taking it to higher voltage levels and getting a better understanding of the pulsing. Building better VIC's.
You might notice Stan built this cell:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture1-4.png)
before he built the Hydrogen Gas Gun, or at least this is my current understanding.
This cell is a resonant cell, it's in the Resonant Cavity Patent, it's in the Tech brief, and it's in the lectures.
I believe he learned a lot from this cell and the resonant action that he describes, before he moved on to the Hydrogen Fracturing Process.
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Your doing a great job Bubz!
Maybe we should just stick to the main topic and keep the flow going.
We can always come back to resonance at another time, there seems to be some variable here that makes it tough.
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Bubz,
Resonant action. Where to look for is the right question.
With coils and caps, we are looking for a high Q-factor.
Meaning that when you hit the parallel or serie LC circuit, you will have energy bouncing back and forwards till the resistance and current leaking is consuming the power.
In a perfect setup, you will pulse the circuit once and you will see the power bouncing couple of seconds afterwards....
Stan said in one of his resonant quotes that he pulsed the cell and the gasproduction was continuing after the puls for a period.
If you look at his setup with use of coils, there is only one idea coming up on how it might work in my point of view. Its related to Dan Danfort's theory and schematics as well. He had talked to Stan in person.
The theory is that you hit the watercell with a dc puls, till current starts to flow.
Sofar its plain electrolysis.
When the current is flowing, all watermols are getting allignent.
The path for HV is now created.
So, when the LV/current pulse is gone, the coils bemf hits back into the watercell and takes the just made aligned molecule path.
The HV peak of the bemf must be higher then 1500V before the mols start ringing, according to Dan's theory.
The one doesn't work with the other. Only HV is not working. Only LV and current is plain electrolysis. But but should show some wonders.
Steve
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to oscillate orbital electrons you must be able to send the electron in the direction of pos plate and back toward the neg plate... this would be done i think with a balanced swinging of voltage..
during pulse on time electrons get pulled toward the pos.. during off time the pull power is being lessen from pos and the negative is being lessen as well.. them both swinging back towards 0 will allow that tension the atom has from the electrical force to generate its swing the opposite direction... since when voltage rises and neg push electron and positive pull electron they both work together and alter electrons in that direction.. when bemf off time the negative and postive are shooting back to 0 they will spring back the opposite direction...
while this is happening your pos choke is taking on excess difference (charing) which is appearing as 0 since the negative is matching the opposite due to the magnetic coupling ... so when pulsing stops it relies on the orbital electrons in water to continue to drive the circuit to discharge not the differences themselves since they are coupling on a core and really dont mind there displacment for the most part???
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i image that the back emf is effecting the secondary and negative electrically and as they swing in the opposite direction the positive choke having a charge resists negative choke back emf to go positive.. if it pos choke holds positive potential and the negative chokes bemf is what would be a posotive result then the means the pos and neg choke would then repel each other... that repelling force would cushion bemf i think..
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I was talking with komtek and realized I was kind of going on a rant. I think it would be best if I stuck to a specific area in efforts to keep the confusion at a minimal. I think I may have an idea for an easy and cheap test that may shed more light on the subject.
Let's take a closer look at a WFC injector. It's design is basic and similar to other inventions in that it is tubular. Some of you may be familiar with some experiments on other forums with spark plugs and water. If I remember correctly, this train of thought was started by a video posted by s1r9a9m9 along with a story that had been circulating the net. Well, the idea was a good one, but I didn't keep an eye on the progress long enough to see if any one would ever figure out the electrodes of the spark plug was not the best idea. To look at a WFC injector in a new way, it is basically an air ionizer in a tube form. instead of the plate being out in the open air, we are isolating the device and only putting through our special blend. Water, exhaust, and ionized air. You shouldn't have to make an injector to get the same results in a way to see the process work. We just have to be creative. We have a few options with electrode design and we have some options for the driver circuitry... What ideas do you guys have?
oops I forgot the blend also has the ionized HHO... that would sort of make a big difference.
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Sorry for any leading along.
As I was still interested in the basic ionizer setup and maybe all the related data has not yet been set forth.
Yes the ionzer spreads all-over into the various parts.
Somehow I thought resonant and resonance of the WFC were off topic and stirred alot of interest but at the same time several answers still did not show tell explain exactly the point.
Bubz was doing a pretty good job and Steve has input some reference here.
WFC resonance is very touchy to acheive, and its a huge subject and needs massive experimentation. Still over the years I have not seen the real magic maybe its a fairy tale but the few people have acheived this magic and to input the information and details in our minds of that moment and working at it and not seeing the result is sort of depressing, never giving up sucks up your time and costs money. I can just imagine how many coils we have all built to find the result. I have a box getting full of them, actually a few small box's and that includes lathed and milled bobbins.
The time-constant between the plates, the first pulsing charge making its alignment, step charging through the coil. When all details are figured properly the current lowers and the voltage rises. Q factor is the efficiency. The efficiency is when the current wave form is in line with the voltage wave form and can be acheived by frequency change and is to due with inductive and capacitive values, where it all match's.
You look at it and see a dualism, but its really one circuit properly made and tuned.
No one has found it and published the details other than the you know who's. We are struggling here big time.
To tie all of it together it's the magic would like to have.
Do you know how many days nights and how much time I've spent its near depressing.
Thats why I'm after other details and areas and need to give this part a rest.
We can read books patents details all night and day and talk about it for years but in the plain overview no-one has put their finger on this.
Yeh you can explain it but you can't make it.
Don't tell me thats not depressing in some sort of way.
Looks like Bubz wants to talk about the WFC injector, sounds good to me.
Personally I think the injector should not do the mixing of the air-exhaust-water.
This should be done at a small manifold with adjustment capabilty maybe in the form of a needle and seat to be able to adjust each level of the 3 various gas supplies. Also its very simple to install a small window and small laser source.
When you get to this point who will analyze and balance the 3 supply gasses?
It appears a ionizer is setup right after the mixing of the supply gasses. And that could have details also, just like ionizers we were talking about but a different body and electrode design.
Let me throw out something thats bothering me about this.
What drives the gases into this mixing manifold, they need a pump to create pressure. What pumps are available? What drives the pump?
There are various methods.
Maybe we could all shed some light on the parts of this circuit.
Sounds like its getting harder, maybe there's a vacuum method or something that is much more simpler and easier?
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Komtek, I feel bad as you bring up the point of demonstrated evidence. I can see where this all looks as a charade of "I Know The Secret" crap that you see on the forums everyday. I do not want to be known as such a person, but, I'd rather you make up your own minds and do what you think is right or pertinent. I will be showing working prototype stuff as I go along so this won't be a some bullshit story. My goal really is to point out how easy it is to understand all this. Nothing is mysteriously magic or a miracle. These words are only used when one does not care to ponder the secrets of the heavens. I guess it's just because that's the way God made it!
If you want a good place to start, get yourself any low powered cheap air ionizer, well, make that two of them. One positive, and one negative. We need to either build or buy an ion detector too. I have one I made that I modified to detect both in one box. I'll take a video of my stuff as soon as I have time. I would imagine a week or two tops? If you want to see how atomized water reacts to the ionizer's field, you can buy any cheap ultrasonic humidifier and point the mist through it. Maybe one of you have these items on hand and can make a video before I do? Or pictures would do. Komtek, you said you had an NST? That will come in handy. Maybe you can tell me more about it.
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Bubz yes there's stuff available in the ol garage to play with:
Large NST 15kv 30ma but this thing is too much weighs a good amount of poundage.
Small NST 6kv don't know the ma its still in a box somewhere here. Size easy to work with.
Spa ionizer that just needs clock timer disabled. Another easy to work with. Based on flyback circuit.
3 6-1's and one of those was designed and made to output an enormous voltage, 1 has blown choke wire due to arcing, 2 are usable.
Other home made transformers with HV possibility's, I thinks I may have center tapped one of those.
2 microwave trans that have possibility's.
Stainless screen - stainless rods - etc.
Pond fogger ultrasonic device.
Poundages of various magnet wire and bobbins and cores.
Can wind any transformer easily.
Sorry about the list, but just to show the availability of some pieces needed.
With respect to others a determined mentality that fails to see the control aspect of building these devices.
There's the lack of electronic knowledge needed to control the various circuit and output potentials.
I kick myself for not putting this area together.
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I would like to point out that I do not own very much equipment, especially lab grade tools like scopes and high voltage measuring devices. When I make a device like a Tesla Coil or anything high voltage over 1Kv, I can only approximate it's parameters. Sure I can measure input to the device, but that's about it. Basically all I use is a multimeter, LCR meter, signal generator, and a light bulb or two. Oh, and the ion detector comes in handy once or twice.
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Guess I'm just a little frustrated.
Just have to jump in and start some HV experiments, put something together.
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OK, a friend and I were talking and he showed me a really nice video that I would like to show all of you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YabWJooBCyY
A description from the sale @ eBay
The coil has three output methods:
Capacitive coupling - this is where the plasma is created between the two plates
Surface Tracking - this is where the coil has glass elements attached with metal edges and the high voltage sparks from in inner to the outer rim.
Straight output - this is where the two sides of the coil spark to one another in a raw display of high voltage power
The specs are:
15 kv 30 ma neon sign transformer
Plastic capacitors 40kv .01 mf capacitor
Adjustable parallel bar spark gap
Squirrel cage type blower for spark gap quenching
This coil is interesting and fun to experiment with. Suitable for use in the classroom, physics labratory, even in your livingroom if not for extended periods. (as it creates ozone, which isn't good to breathe in heavy concentrations)
Makes an awesome conversation piece. I've had it in my den for some time, and it never fails to get the "What the heck is that thing?" questions. Which of course provides a good opprotunity to fire it up.
Desperate times call for desperate measures so I'm putting her on the market.
Any flaws that you see in the pics (dust/wood chips/ect) will be fixed before she ships out.
Thanks for looking.
See my other items for other tesla coil parts
I love this video!
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Hey Bubs, great video, I was actually thinking about tesla coils today and looking into a few things.
I am working on a thought that the VIC is two tesla coils in one. One of the tesla coils is the primary, secondary, and positive choke and positive plate. The second tesla coil is the negative plate, the negative choke, and it's isolated ground. The first tesla coil works independently with the primary and secondary, which then injects it's stepped up voltage into the positive choke, which can be thought of as a continuation of the secondary, the negative choke is exactly tuned to the positive choke and coupled 1:1 to create the equal and opposite negative signal that the positive choke has. The plates you can think of as the "top load" with water in between them instead of air.
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I believe the air ionizer does the same thing as the water gas process.
Water Gas is when you pass steam over hot red coal, Something ionizes "I Forget" and a synthetic Gas is made.
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/4389981.htm, But stan describes a ("Synthetic") Gas being applied to his intake,, Which is what you get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_gas
There results a new synthetic gas. The synthetic gas formation stage also volume meters and determines the proper gas-mixing ratio for establishing the desired burn-rate of hydrogen gas. The rotational mechanical gas displacement system in that process determines the volume-amount of synthetic gas to be produced.
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Donald, you and I think a lot alike. I too pondered your very idea and still do. The Tesla Coil and the VIC are not quite the same, although, you bring up a very good point and it should be researched a little deeper. In the book "Secrets of Cold War Technology" by Gerry Vassilatos, He explains a bit about what we see a Tesla Coil as today and really how Tesla used his coils. When you see a TC sparking and stuff, that version of it is made famous by Sir Oliver Lodge. He sort of reinvented the TC with AC instead of DC and called it a Tesla Coil. the TC was not intended to do such things. It was only one of many for a wireless power network. Tesla describes his process as the opposite of radio, where he used virtually no EM energy on the top side of the coil. most of the energy was utilized through the earth. Stiffler and Meyl have a ton of useful information if any of you haven't read their material or replicated their work.
http://amasci.com/tesla/tmistk.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNYUu1VL1aM
Bubz
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SCALAR TRANSLATORS
by
Joseph John Misiolek
05/02/91
Note: Accompanying diagrams (Fig_A.GIF thru Fig_D.GIF)
are saved in 640*350 resolution w/16 colors.
Overview:
Before we begin, for those of you new to the art, a translator is a device
which can 'convert' EM energy into SCALAR or vice versa.
When coverting EM energy to SCALAR, what you are actually doing is attempting
to create a subtructure in which the energy is folded in on itself in such a
way that it manifests no external net effects in the manner in which our
current test equipment (single stage interaction) is designed to detect,
but rather, maintains all of its energy within the substructure itself
(hyperspace), in other words, SCALAR WAVES.
These types of waves are quite capable of penetrating conventional
forms of em shielding (Faraday Cages) while remaining quite invisible
to standard (single stage) detection methods.
They are created by deliberately opposing the E and/or B field components of
ordinary em waves. Devices designed to encourage this type of wave formation
are called TRANSLATORS.
A translator which can only convert EM to scalar or scalar to EM is known as
a 'one-way' device. There are certain types of translators which are
capable of converting freely from EM to scalar and back. These devices are
known as 'two-way' devices. Lets take a closer look at some of the one-way
devices.
ONE-WAY TRANSLATORS
A one way translator (EM-scalar) is extremely simple to construct. In
fact, the typical home or apartment is literally FULL of these devices now!
Consider the common two conductor lamp cord used on many lights, small
appliances, and radios.
This cord is commonly referred to as 'zip cord'. As the current surges
through the first wire, the second wire is carrying the return current in
the opposite direction. The EM fields whirling about the conductors are in
opposition.
Up until now, most of you were taught that the fields, while in opposition,
'cancel' each other out. Does this mean that the energy contained in those
fields is destroyed? OF COURSE NOT!
We CANNOT destroy energy. We CAN cause it to change its form and this is
precisely what happens when fields in opposition 'cancel' out.
As the current oscillates through the wires, an oscillating SCALAR WAVE
results. If a direct current is applied to the wire pair, a 'static' scalar EM
field results.
Wire Pair Translator:
Tests have shown that the 'zip cord' described above, while conducting a
60 cycle alternating current, will generate a 120 cycle scalar em wave.
Here we have the first (and perhaps the most basic) type of translating
device. A single conductor folded in half and parallel will produce a
scalar wave if it is fed energy from an alternating current source. This
basic translator is at the heart of the next device.
Non-Inductive (Bifilar) Translator:
Let us now take our simple translator and wind it into a helical shape. We
have just created what is commonly known as a non-inductive (bifilar) coil.
Such coils are copious one-way emitters of these waves as well.
Unlike the simple translator above which will produce horizontally
or vertically polarized scalar waves (depending on their orientation to the
ground plane), this type of translator will produce circularly polarized
scalar waves.
A variation of this type of translator is to wind the coil on a 45 degree
angle up and down the length of the form creating a series of 90 degree
intersections where the windings cross (caduceus coil).
These types of translators (which can also be wound at other angles to
facilitate the production of different wave types) tend to create 'free'
A, 'free' B, or 'free' E fields which have been separated from the em
source wave by selective cancellation of the unwanted component fields of
the source wave.
Bucking Coil Translator:
Another type of translator that I have experimented with consists of
two coils (air-core) arranged so that the fields oppose or 'buck' against
one another.
All that is necessary for this translator to produce scalar waves is an
alternating source of current with the coils wired so that the north and
south poles created by the coils oppose each other.
The region between the coils where the north/south poles oppose is known as
the ZPE (zero-point energy) zone. Although scalar substructures are created
in the zpe, this type of translator is not exceptionally efficient due to the
flux leakage at the other end of the coils. (The accompanying diagram will
clarify this.)
This was one of the two types of translators discovered and examined by
Nikola Tesla. If you refer to his 1904 lecture in London, you will notice
that the demonstration coil Tesla used which was encased in a zinc box
(Faraday Cage), had a secondary coil that consisted of two halves wound
oppositely.
The coils as described in that book would have created a zpe zone between
them. The field would have been capable of penetrating the zinc box,
(whereas normal em waves would not) and this is most likely how Tesla
stumbled onto it. There is at least one other translator Mr. Tesla
stumbled onto which we shall discuss next.
Lenzs' Law Translator:
In Tesla's Colorado Springs diary (1899-1900) he noted that he was
experiencing a problem in keeping the top turns of his coils from shorting out
due to breakdown of the insulation on the wires under the high electric
potential he was creating.
In effect, the top turns were shorted, closed loop conductors positioned on
top of the operating section of the coil. If you ever had physics in
high school, you will remember Le Chatelier's Principle:
WHENEVER WE UNDERTAKE ANY ACTION TO CHANGE AN EXISTING
PHYSICAL SYSTEM, THE SYSTEM REACTS IN SUCH A WAY AS TO
OPPOSE OUR ACTION.
By applying this principle to the interactions of currents and magnetic
fields, we have Lenzs' Law. This means the the field being radiated by the
operating (un-shorted) portion of the Tesla oscillator, caused a counter
field of opposite energy to be created in the shorted turns.
The zone between the functioning and reciprocating areas of the coil is a zpe
zone very similar to the zone created in the bucking coil translator.
This was the second translator that Tesla had discovered. By constructing
a Tesla oscillator, and fixing a shorted loop to the top, we may produce
powerful scalar emissions.
Multiple Antenna Translator:
This method of producing scalar waves lends itself to the production of
powerful scalar beams which can be used in military (weapon)
applications.
The basic idea here is to use pairs or arrays of antennae spaced at 1/4 or 1/2
wave intervals, and possibly log-periodic arrays and yagi-type configurations
as well, which are fed rf energy and wired in such a way as to cause
total or partial phase conjugation of the waves projected from them.
The antennae may consist of any combination of the antennae now in use for
communications in any band desired. Consult the Radio Amateurs Handbook
for antenna types and configurations. The possibilities here are alomost
endless and are well beyond the scope of this text.
Well thats all for now. Serious researchers are invited to contact me here
through the message section of this BBS for information exchange and think
tank discussions. Post Mail to Joseph Misiolek.
Vangard note...
To assist in a further understanding of Le Chatelier's Principle and Lenz'
Law, we include the full definition from Van Nostrand's Scientific
Encyclopedia.
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Le Chatelier's Principle
Let us perturb a system which is initially in stable equilibrium to
a neighboring non-equilibrium state. Since the initial equilibrium is
supposed to be stable, the system will return to an equilibrium state.
Theorems governing the behavior of perturbed systems are often known as
"theorems of constraint" or "theorems of moderation." The best known
thermodynamic theorem of moderation is that of Le Chatelier-Braun which in the
form stated by Le Chatelier is:
"Any system in chemical equilibrium undergoes, as a result
of a variation in one of the factors governing the
equilibrium, a COMPENSATING CHANGE in a direction such
that, had this change occurred alone it would have produced
a variation of the factor considered in the OPPOSITE
DIRECTION."
However, this principle suffers from a number of important exceptions. it
is therefore preferable to study the "moderation" starting from the
usual thermodynamic formalism without invoking a special principle.
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Lenz' Law
A general law of electrodynamic induction, stated by H. F. E. Lenz in 1833.
It points out that the electromotive force induced by the variation of
magnetic flux, with reference to a conductor, in the manner discovered by
Faraday, is always in such direction that, if it produces a current, the
magnetic effect of that current opposes the flux variation responsible for
both electromotive force and current.
An outstanding illustration is the drag on a generator armature; if
the armature circuit is closed, the rotation is opposed by a torque arising
from the reaction between the field and the current in the armature conductors.
Power must therefore be applied to drive the machine; and the greater the
armature current, the more power is required.
The effect known as MAGNETIC DAMPING also depends upon Lenz' law.
A copper disk, when spun between the poles of a strong magnet, quickly comes
to rest because of the opposing torque. This arrangement serves as a speed
regulator in watt-hour meters.
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Warren York and his group out of El Paso have been working along the lines of
the 45 degree angled SMITH coil for SCALAR manipulations.
Warren has published articles on the work in EXTRAORDINARY SCIENCE and
the TESLA journal, both out of Colorado Springs. The addresses of these fine
publications is listed on KeelyNet under CONTACT1.ASC or .ZIP.
This is to date the finest article (TRANSLRT.ZIP) we have yet seen on the
phenomena grouped as SCALARS. The attached diagrams help to visualize
what is necessary for you to do your own experiments in this burgeoning field.
Please feel free to distribute this article and the attached diagrams
throughout the networks and your own contacts.
If you have comments or other information relating to such topics as this
paper covers, please upload to KeelyNet or send to the Vangard Sciences
address as listed on the first page.
Thank you for your consideration, interest and support.
Jerry W. Decker.........Ron Barker...........Chuck Henderson
Vangard Sciences/KeelyNet
If we can be of service, you may contact
Jerry at (214) 324-8741 or Ron at (214) 242-9346
ation, interest and support.
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Vangard Sciences/KeelyNet
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Jerry at (214) 324-8741 or Ron at (214) 242-9346
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Bubz thats great information.
Lets find a example for a basic test in a garage test environment.
I take it since the ionizer will use its own EHD or MHD effect so particles build up and circulate in a vicinity of near proximety unless other air currents would move them further.
But what of the oxidizing process, in this most basic form of ionizing air?
Lets consider a few test situations.
Auto intake, installed in the airfilter sounds good but what of the mass air-flow sensor right after the intake does it suffer oxidations and ruin the sensor?
Older auto without sensors, in air filter above carburator, what happens to the carburator body over time?
Do we mix hydroxyl with it?
Will hydroxyl ignite if going past corona discharges, if so it must be installed after ionizer electrodes.?
Other applications would be a weld torch, cooking burner, furnace heater, etc.
What are the effects of oxidation to surrounding metal parts?
Once this is figured is there a line of too much or too little ozone to create the proper effect, so a controlled output may be in order.
By looking at Meyers drawings of the patents or memo's you see this process being used completely throughout the whole automobile.
In order to start what would you suggest as to the most basic form of electrode and maybe how to create a control for the process.
From reading other patents there is a point of too much, how can we determine whats too much ozone?
Just trying to see what you got in mind for applying and controlling the process maybe in just a test apparatus.
In case anyone needs a link to see Tesla patent:
http://keelynet.com/tesla/00568177.pdf (http://keelynet.com/tesla/00568177.pdf)
just a note... the electron extraction process where electrons are consumed prevents the formation of Ozone...