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Projects by members => Projects by members => Dynodon => Topic started by: Dynodon on November 28, 2009, 17:48:20 pm
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Here's a link to a site that really explains how the blocking diode (also known as a de-q-ing diode) works with DC high voltage.
This is a site for Tesla coils,but it shows the same results of Stans approach.
Good reading.Open discussion welcome here.
Don
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html
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Quote from that site:
"Current cannot change instantly.
An inductor does not allow instantaneous changes in the current passing through it. This means that the brief firing of the spark gap does not instantly short-circuit the HVDC supply. This property of the inductor also determines how quickly the tank capacitor charges from the DC supply after each bang."
This is restricting amps in a dead short condition, the very important roll of the chokes
I am curious about the de-q-ing diode, i'll have to research that more specifically to better understand
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Seems like they recommend a 3 phase power system .
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By the time the signal gets to the cell the 3 phases combine to form one signal, 1 phase. (Rotary VIC)
This signal would have 3x the frequency of each phase.
This signal would have a minimum voltage of maybe 1/3 peak voltage, and never reach zero!
For a single phase power supply you would have your voltage go from zero to peak, and Dynodon and Webmug are doing this, except their voltage is crossing zero.... this is the only thing stopping them from cracking the water in a resonant water fuel cell.
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How do you know thats the only thing stopping them from cracking the water molecule ?
It might be 1 or 10 different things , nobody knows .
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I'm a wishful thinker :)
I may be wrong.
Their waveforms and setups suggest the correct approach except for this voltage swinging below zero, I'm not sure what causes it or how to fix it, but I hope they can find out how to fix it to keep the pulses unipolar. Then I just hope it will work!
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After going through several setups with batteries, inductors, transformers, capacitors and alternators, I have come to the conclusion that we cannot replicate the same effect you get with the alternator's 3-phase output.
I believe, Dave Lawton and Ravi only replicated the effect of the alternator setup. It is easy and very obvious. The trick is to power 2 sets of tubes with one phase and have a common ground (the inner tubes).
The alternator setup works best with the ss tube cell. It does not work very well with the plate cell unless you add lots of electrolyte. The tube cell even works with distilled water.
Until we are able to find a circuit that mimics the alternator we are stuck in one place.
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Their waveforms and setups suggest the correct approach except for this voltage swinging below zero, I'm not sure what causes it or how to fix it, but I hope they can find out how to fix it to keep the pulses unipolar. Then I just hope it will work!
maybe the present negative is due to the contaminates in the water??... maybe if we were able to weaken the negative field with a tunable negative choke we could fix that? for it to go negative it sounds like there are to many electrons present at that given time.. the only place they will come from is either negative choke since they are being pumped to it right? ..
for a tunable choke you allow the pulling force to be constant on the positive choke from the secondary, while the negative has a variable to react with the same amount of force pushing in the electrons or it can be weaker then the emf pulling on the positive field
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ok this is what i see happening in my head... we are generating emf in a secondary linked to a pos and negative choke (equal wires) .. this circuit is made to generate the field on both sides of the capacitor gap on its own due to the fact that they are interacting the the ame secondary and this should allow displacement to the currents direction due to the diode.. this makes it dc...
ok the chokes output generate equal and opposite polarities in sync.. we all pretty much know all this and your asking why u are reading this... ask your self this
the negative field pulls on the protons and pushes electrons allowing electrons into the water... the positive field pushes on protons and pulls on electrons.. we know this as well at least most of us..
improtant question.. yes we are pulling and pushing on these atomic particles due to polarity... but have we considered density into this? like the electron is really small while protons are big.. electrons are easier to generate motion in while protons they have more mass so they would have slower acceleration compared to the electron with equal opposite polarityies being applied???
im thinking the wave guides are being generated on opposite sides of the resoanant cavity and the fields of opposte polarity are traveling towards each other.. these fields must meet exactly in the middle or there is sign of imbalance.. i think when they meet the pulse should end and the wave should collapse back to zero..
to tune into the dielectric properties maybe is to tune into that effect in the cell..
all in all what im saying is maybe we must try to match the acceleration of the particles.. possibly meaning that your positive fields intensity must be larger then the negatives due to the difference in density of bonding protons and singular orbiting electrons..
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it's an equal and opposite voltage, says it many places. also remember and while one attracts it repels the other, and when the other attracts it repels the other. and that we are working on the covalent electrons, trying to overcome their bonding strength
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what im saying is in order to meet 0 we must meet some type of balance.. imagine that when the positive plate is pulsed it makes protons jolt away (Accelerate) from the positive plate.. and will also pull on the electrons in the form of vacuum...
the negative side does the same but i would say electrons are easier to jolt (accelerate) then protons are in the
the acceleration of the time reversed (positive) travels from the positive plate toward the negative plate... the negative plate is creating a wave that is accelerating toward the positive plate... for there to be balance the reversed waves must collide in the center of the gap at the same accelerated speed.. when they reach each other i think this is the point of dielectric break down and the pulse is terminated to allow the water exhange of momentum to perform work and return to ground state....
if this is true then the higher potential means higher frequency since due to a higher potential pulse the acceleration of the wave of energy across the cell means u will hit the dielectric breakdown point quicker...
just think of how much less energy is needed to generate motion in a electron with a external field compared to a bundle of joined protons ... then imagine if you were to give the electrons more routes and opportunities to cross the gap (contaminates) you would need a way to counter that to find balance (tunable negative choke)
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Here's a link to a site that really explains how the blocking diode (also known as a de-q-ing diode) works with DC high voltage.
This is a site for Tesla coils,but it shows the same results of Stans approach.
Good reading.Open discussion welcome here.
Don
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html
Thx Dynodon.
This has got me thinking...
:)
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Whenever someone in a forum states there is no such thing as pulsing dc resonance I send them a link to that website and ask them to comment. They never do. Must be frustrating for them.
Andy
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I watched a video describing the Rodin coil and think I saw something that might explain how the VIC is different from a standard transformer and Stan's description of winding the primary longitudinally but I could be wrong. Early in the description http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7911972442098545165&hl=undefined# I saw that the wires of the winding cross perpendicular to each other and this is the source of the monopole in the center I believe. So if the VIC were wound with perpendicular windings on a solenoid form the primary's back emf would put a toroidal field on the core and the secondary's back emf would put a solenoidal field on the core back and forth. Then depending on connections the bifilar winds of the chokes would either cancel or accentuate the bemf. Just trying to picture it in my mind and get feedback I either need more wire or scavenge the coils I've already wound. Sure is more fun than brute force electrolysis :D
Andy