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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 13, 2009, 11:14:35 am: This is not a combustion process! Stoichiometric combustion of H and O (H2 -->O) creates a white/orange flame. What we are seeing here is Stan's "ION flame". Where hydrogen is solely responsible for the color emission we see.

This is Atomic Hydrogen....and it is what Stan ultimately did with his gasses from "Stage 1"

I will now prove it is Atomic Hydrogen...and that it is the SAME process Stan was using to run a car on it.

Pg 20 (of the pdf reader)....lines 6-40 on the left side of the page....

(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w152/Jdub6d9/StansIons.jpg)

AKA...Atomic Hydrogen.....

Congratz Aussepom...NO LONGER THEORY!!!! (never was theory...ppl are just blind)

I have attempted to get people to look at this MOST CRUCIAL point...to no avail, I believe now seeing the awesome nature of Atomic Hydrogen they will begin to see it. (The "forest through the trees" that is ;) )

Stan is genius...he used the electron defficient O3 molecule to act as his "bump down" energy sink to get Atomic hydrogen to form back down to Molecular hydrogen...it's INGENIOUS!!!!!!!!

The beautiful part is that the O3 is made at the same time through H.V. ionization :)

Now, to get your system up to par with Stan...you need to look into his chokes that limit electron flow from power circuit through the "dead short" arc in your steam there.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 13, 2009, 23:02:37 pm: Quote from: Login to see usernames on July 13, 2009, 11:14:35 am
This is not a combustion process! Stoichiometric combustion of H and O (H2 -->O) creates a white/orange flame. What we are seeing here is Stan's "ION flame". Where hydrogen is solely responsible for the color emission we see.

This is Atomic Hydrogen....and it is what Stan ultimately did with his gasses from "Stage 1"

I will now prove it is Atomic Hydrogen...and that it is the SAME process Stan was using to run a car on it.

Pg 20 (of the pdf reader)....lines 6-40 on the left side of the page....

(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w152/Jdub6d9/StansIons.jpg)

AKA...Atomic Hydrogen.....

Congratz Aussepom...NO LONGER THEORY!!!! (never was theory...ppl are just blind)

I have attempted to get people to look at this MOST CRUCIAL point...to no avail, I believe now seeing the awesome nature of Atomic Hydrogen they will begin to see it. (The "forest through the trees" that is ;) )

Stan is genius...he used the electron defficient O3 molecule to act as his "bump down" energy sink to get Atomic hydrogen to form back down to Molecular hydrogen...it's INGENIOUS!!!!!!!!

The beautiful part is that the O3 is made at the same time through H.V. ionization :)

Now, to get your system up to par with Stan...you need to look into his chokes that limit electron flow from power circuit through the "dead short" arc in your steam there.

Thats Great! But this is aussepom's Invention. He did not find it in a book, And I'm pretty certain that nobody came to aussies place to show him how to do this setup. I'm also sure Aussie has many many hours in even getting this device to work. Stan had lots of devices, But, he did not give any instructions on how to completly make any of them. Aussie took the time to experiment and learn, And this device is what Aussie has to share with you, Therefor, This is NOT stans device, It's True inventor is Aussie, Assuming he didn't get the ideal from the already working Plasma machine thats very simular, Allthough a plasma can not do what assues device is doing.

My recomendations was to add a burner to reduce flame temp allowing aussie to cut back on his production uses and reduction in power usage also. If aussie chooses to do that because i Thrown some patent at him, and he succeeds, Will you then call this Stans hydrogen gas burner?

NO, Stan didn't make it, Aussie did. Doesn't matter if aussie was looking threw stans patents or not, Stan gave no direct instructions.

It also may be described as all the references in your post, I'm just pointing out that aussie is to be credited here, Not Stanley A. Meyer, Thats all i'm saying and nothing more.

I can only thank aussie for sharing, Much appreaciated.

Good day
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 14:05:34 pm: You must realize that if this effect is exactly what meyer got, that it adds up to stan's credibility.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 14:31:21 pm: @Aussepom,

Your device is very interesting.

Have you posted any details at all on this device other than these videos? If so can you direct me to where I can find them?

From what I am seeing on the videos, the device simply injects a water mist through a plasma arc. The supply is a standard plasma arc unit.

Is that correct?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 18:31:33 pm: @Warp
Are you serious??...I'm sure he was just...."Oh lets make a plasma flame from water and air" just randomly out of nowhere huh? Even though he belongs to a STAN MEYER FORUM....bet he never read a single Stan Meyer patent...no way!!? ??? ,,,,GET REAL!

Just as Stan's injector worked and looked remarkably like a plasma cutter.....hmmm so does Aussepom's (hmmm plamsa cutter power supply?)...I'm not saying he built the same exact thing...but, it operates on the same principles...and I am sure with time Aussepom will tell you so.

If you understand the Stan text I posted above....you should see how similar they are...Aussepom is supplying air and water....and arcing through it to create atomic hydrogen ions and O3 (ozone) ions....it's EXACTLY THE SAME

Line 36-41 put it in as blunt terms as possible...once you ACTUALLY STUDY the accepted scientific phenomena known as "Atomic Hydrogen", you will realize it's not a theory at all, and in fact is widely known about in the scientific community. Then (presuming you know "Atomic Theory") you will realize that it is actually an easy process. Hydrogen only has one outer electron equal to it's one inner proton. This produces as charged balanced atom...but, there is a problem, the lone electron does not equal the mass and creates an unstable orbit. This is the reason atoms prefer full outer "Valence" shells (orbits), so Hydrogen links up to a MOLECULE of Hydrogen with itself (hydrogen surrounded by hydrogen).

So, in nature (on Earth) hydrogen does not exist as a single atom (every element on Earth has already reacted and balanced out)....it is however possible to recreate environments found in space, see space is full of high energy particles as Lance Armstrong saw "Z" particles that shot through the spaceships hull...anyway, we see now that Hydrogen needs a full outer valence shell, and for the 1st shell, you only need two electrons, so hydrogen only needs one extra electron to support single atom state. An arc is a literal "sea of electrons"....there are so many free electrons in an arc it's rediculous. Well, if you pass a hydrogen molecule through an arc, two things happen. First the molecule absorbs infrared wave, or "heat" energy. The heat expands the molecule to a larger size (most elements expand when heated)...this larger sized molecule when it becomes part of the circuit in the arc is bombarded by high energy particles (fast moving electrons)...this polarizes the molecule and breaks it apart as it begins to conduct...however, the velocity of the incoming water/hydrogen stream removes it from the stream before the ions equalize.

Anyway, do more hard-core research before telling me what is what...and furthermore...why are responding for Aussepom??...I'm sure he can do it just fine...and it's his place to say whether or not he built it loosely off Stan's technology....not yours...so shhh
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 18:31:42 pm: Oz,
Can you explain what is happening? Are you making hydrogen? Is it Meyer's injector?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 19:19:07 pm: This oz injector looks purely amazing and awesome.

As far as i can tell this seems to be an amp related process, rather than a voltage related process, am I wrong?Are you sending air and water through a plasma arc?orAre you sending air and water through an amp restricted voltage wave guide?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 19:32:22 pm: Quote
"I'm not saying he built the same exact thing.
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"you would see how similar they are"
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"...it's EXACTLY THE SAME"
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First it's not exact. Then it is similar. Then finally it is exactly the same thing. ???

If Aussepom is doing "exactly" the same thing as Meyer, then where are the lasers, pulsing circuits VIC's. electron extractors, and other things that Meyer used ?

I would wait a bit before we start erecting a statue to Saint Meyer. Let's first let Aussepom provide a few more details and some explanations if he chooses to do so.

Meyer didn't invent "atomic hydrogen" and was not even close to the first to build a device that disassociates hydrogen with a plasma arc.

http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/AtomicH/atomicH.html (http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/AtomicH/atomicH.html)
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 19:55:12 pm: Nice try buddy....put em in context ;)
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I'm not saying he BUILT the same exact thing

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it OPERATES on the same PRINCIPLES

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arcing through it to create atomic hydrogen ions and O3 (ozone) ions....it's EXACTLY THE SAME

I am speaking about two different things buddy, FORM (as in what he built).....and FUNCTION (Creating charged ions of -Hydrogen and +O3...then using the +O3 to "bump down" the -Atomic Hydrogen spontaneously w/o the need to hit a metal!!!!!!

You like most people need to separate FORM from FUNCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!

The two may be different in design....However, their FUNCTION is the same!!!

ANYWAY what are you guys' problems??.....I do believe you have NOT ONE THING to do with it....Aussepom is a grown * man, if he feels I am doing him injustice for saying so...let him say it. Or, if I am wrong in assuming this is ionic flame...only he can say...so like I said.....why?

P.S.
All the lasers...the choke coils....etc are all meant to RAISE EFFICIENCY....Not very efficient to use an ARC as it's a dead short which means max amps flow....GET A CLUE
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 20:55:51 pm: The real problem I see here "BUDDY", is that any scientific objectivity you may have once had, has vaporized as a result of your sycophantic adoration of all things related to Meyer.

Someone runs water mist through a plasma arc and you use it as an opportunity to canonize Mr. Meyer as a "genius" and offer it as "proof" of Meyer's theories which you declare (by fiat) were never really theories at all, but irrefutable facts.

How are you any different in regard to Meyer as some others are in regard to Faraday and Maxwell ?

One must wonder if you are really interested in the science here or in simply confirming Mr. Meyer and his theories, which in turn confirms your own "genius" as being one of the chosen few who CAN "see the forest through the trees" and who is not like "most people" who are obviously blind and cannot tell the difference between form and function.

It must be lonely there in the forest all by yourself.

Goey
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 21:25:36 pm: HMMM...what's the name of this site again? ??? IONIZATIONx.com? ???

YET NONE OF YOU SEEM TO UNDERSTAND IONS....and, yet you claim I have no scientific objectivity....IGNORANT assumption. I have used MANY fields to UNIFY Meyer's system and explain it completely....u sir...need not address me because I have NO INTEREST IN ANYTHING YOU SAY....I will not state the obvious in this circumstance...if anyone finds any shred of ANYTHING in what you say...they deserve to believe u.
:-X

We'll see if Aussepom has anything to say about the similarities to Stan's injector...until then...keep stroking your e-peen if you wish.

P.S. It would seem you are the un-objective scientific mind....you seem to have let your Meyer failures canonize in your mind that it is faulty...so much so that you seem to have forgotten all other scientific proofs that have been provided by many others.
I'm not saying Meyer invented Atomic Hydrogen...He was the first to get a car to run on it...you have some Meyer issues buddy...and probably a Napoleon Complex too by the way you interact with people you feel are inferior to you...hope your 100k education hasn't left you jaded and confused.

My intelligence has nothing to do with the proofs provided...neither does it have to Meyer...after all, it's nothing new...it's just a new application of existing KNOWN phenomena...I do have a gift...the gift of Mental Retention (aka Photographic memory)...I have ever since I was very young (probably has to do with my head being split open multiple times???)....see unlike you I realize that my KNOWLEDGE comes from the compiled works of others...I just remember what I read very well.

As for proving myself right...I already have...you just don't know it yet, AND I DON'T CARE...
I believe we are doing this for completely different reasons (good luck with yours).......and, F.Y.I. no it's not lonely in the forest...
I'm never alone....I feel sorry for those who are.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 22:05:39 pm: In the most pleasantly light hearted humorous way possible
(http://www.afunnystuff.com/forumpics/arguing.jpg)
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 22:27:40 pm: Gentleman,

Please keep focus here.
Stop arguing on who is right and who is retarded.
At the end, we all want the same, is it.
Aussepom build a nice device. Lets learn from that. Not important if he was inspired by Stan or not. Fact is that he build a working device that works in a specific way with specific results.
Please try to make similair devices.
Maybe it really creates enough power to push a piston down, in stead of burning the piston into pieces.... ;)

Aussepom: Great work. We hope to hear soon more from you with more details.

Br
Steve
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 22:57:36 pm: Quote from: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 21:25:36 pm
HMMM...what's the name of this site again? ??? IONIZATIONx.com? ???

YET NONE OF YOU SEEM TO UNDERSTAND IONS....and, yet you claim I have no scientific objectivity....IGNORANT assumption. I have used MANY fields to UNIFY Meyer's system and explain it completely....u sir...need not address me because I have NO INTEREST IN ANYTHING YOU SAY....I will not state the obvious in this circumstance...if anyone finds any shred of ANYTHING in what you say...they deserve to believe u.

Original reply deleted in the spirit of Steve's last post.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 23:29:06 pm: This is to Each and every member here on this forum. You had better listen, and listen to me well!

I do not post, I mostly post when I feel i need to.

A; When I Post, "I do it with respect."
B; Stanley A. Meyer ("IS") An inspiration to Each and every one of us!
C: Most of us build devices because we're inspired by him, Not everyone is here because of Stan Meyer.
D; This Forum is NOT a stanley meyer forum, Do not assume we are trying to replicate his work, Allthough -
You will find much of stans work here, and much talk about it.

E; If someone makes an hydrogen gas gun by Dedicating his Her hours, Even in they used Stan meyers Patents for a reference, and they succeeded, Stanley A. Meyer IS NOT TO BE CREDITED, It is the one that got it working that gets the credit! Stan Meyer Gave no Step By Step Instructions --

NOT ONE OF HIS DEVICES HAS BEEN PROVEN TO WORK TO DATE.

F: Do Not Attempt a Battle with me.

G;Do not Tell someone, For example, Aussie, That he was successful in replicating one of stans devices. THAT IS A DISCRIMINATION TO THE CREATOR.

Understanding, Aussie may choose not to share anything else with you, Instuctions Or videos, All because you had a comment of, "Nice to see your getting stans devices to work."

I do not blam aussie if he does not post, I'd be danged if i sit there and let you tell me my hours invested was to be credited to stan, I think Not!

BOTTOM LINE, It will not be tolorated here, You will credit the researcher the way they deserve to be credited or you will removed. I will not watch you sit there and say aussie got stans device working, Or any other member on this forum. NOW, if it was something of the VIC then that be diff, stan has his claim on that. Point is, not everything is stans mate.

When you work on something, and you get it working after investing many hours into your device, "INSPIRED" by stan, I will not allow someone to say you got stans device to work, I will have your back just as i have Aussies.

Here, at ionizationx, you will get the credit you deserve.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, If you feel i have affended you in any way shap or form, I havent. Take my advice and think before your next post, I am not targeting anybody. I'm sending a messege, Do what is right and stop making comments that dont relate.

If you want to show your ass after my post here, You are simply asking for a TON of trouble. I like each and every one of you right now, Lets keep it that way. Carry on, As we have learned an important Fact here.

End this right now! No more talk of it!

Now that this is cleared Up, Aussie, If you want to continue sharing what you started, Then please do, This is your thread, And you OWN THE RIGHT TO DELETE ANYTHING IN IT, EVEN THIS VERY POST.

Good Day
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 23:39:16 pm: Again, I am Making A DOUBLE POST.

I want this to be Real Clear, I have no hard feelings toward anyone here at all, Understand that. Everything is ok, Drop it. The important thing here is realize that other people have, Money, Time and effort in what they have for show and tell, For that, they do not deserve to be told that they got John Does device working, Its simply their work.

This will be the THIRD TIME i will repeat this. Do not cause a seen upon yourself, as everyone here is ok. We all learn together, Pick our selves up and carry on.

Good day
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 15, 2009, 00:22:38 am: Quote from: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 22:57:36 pm
Quote from: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 21:25:36 pm
HMMM...what's the name of this site again? ??? IONIZATIONx.com? ???

YET NONE OF YOU SEEM TO UNDERSTAND IONS....and, yet you claim I have no scientific objectivity....IGNORANT assumption. I have used MANY fields to UNIFY Meyer's system and explain it completely....u sir...need not address me because I have NO INTEREST IN ANYTHING YOU SAY....I will not state the obvious in this circumstance...if anyone finds any shred of ANYTHING in what you say...they deserve to believe u.

Original reply deleted in the spirit of Steve's last post.

Thanks!

Steve
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 15, 2009, 00:31:27 am: Quote from: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2009, 22:27:40 pm
Gentleman,

Please keep focus here.
Stop arguing on who is right and who is retarded.
At the end, we all want the same, is it.
Aussepom build a nice device. Lets learn from that. Not important if he was inspired by Stan or not. Fact is that he build a working device that works in a specific way with specific results.
Please try to make similair devices.
Maybe it really creates enough power to push a piston down, in stead of burning the piston into pieces.... ;)

Aussepom: Great work. We hope to hear soon more from you with more details.

Br
Steve

@ Steve

If the gas is actually atomic hydrogen then the flame temperature should be around 4,000 degrees C. and could be be even hotter at the point of recombination. It should be able to melt tungsten , which has a melting point of about 3400 C.

If if can't melt tungsten then it is probably not atomic hydrogen. A diatomic hydrogen flame with oxygen (3000 C) will not melt tungsten.

But even at 3000 C it will boil aluminum and melt steel. So it would be a challenge to use in a normal piston engine. Ceramic pistons maybe ?

Goey
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 15, 2009, 09:43:26 am: Master Meyer, shows us the combination of the air ionizer, the exhaust gasses and the injector all together.

So, maybe...when you have a flame like Aussepom have and you let it work in a compressed gas environment which all those different components....

Lots of work to do, do we...

Steve
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 16, 2009, 12:41:39 pm: I argue for only one reason...not because it proves Stan Meyer right, and in turn myself for understand it...I argue because the accepted science supports every single claim of Meyer's system. The fact is that there is a state of Hydrogen that when "bumped down" in "net" energy level...(ie siphoning an outer electron charge) shrinks back down to a stable molecular state. Stan's lasers, bifilar chokes, and EEC all re-create the events in an arc....but, with out the dead short condition that creates max amp inflow. It is crucial we see the stages in Meyer's system....first Gas production for example, efficient resonant pulsed electrolysis, various Hydrides (salts/metal salts that when heated release hydrogen), or straight DC electrolysis...second is ionization of those gasses (Many ways to ionize a medium, with UV bombardment being on of the most efficient)...then is triggering stage, which is removing the surplus energy allowing single atom Hydrogen to be stable (an extra "stabilizing" electron)...this removal of an electron triggers the atom(s) to "time-share" the orbits of each of 2 Hydrogen atoms' electrons...this "emulates" a full valence shell (where 1st shell needs 2 electrons)

The new "molecule" of hydrogen has a "tighter" orbit of electrons, the result is the "unit" of hydrogen is more massive but, smaller...this shrinking action results in friction...which creates intense heat.
Like Steve said...the third hottest flame known to man (atomic hydrogen is that hot!!) can more then easily super heat compressed gasses (non combustible gasses...aka air)....after all, all ICEs are heat exchangers using the expanse of an explosion to move the cylinder down.

Again, I have no hard feelings...it's just that I believe what I believe because it has become obvious to me...which took my entire life's experience to get...things I have read in Discover magazine (Plasmonics) right after I had spent weeks on patent research of Stan and Tesla., orhaving studied Stan much more making the connection between the Outer Ionoshpere and Stan's work....(Light and other high speed particles ionize atmoshperic gasses)...ie Stan's laser(s) (certain infrared LEDs...and Stan's UV "hydrogen "E"-aser)

Anyway...it's a conviction of mine to set certain misconceptions straight....I apologize for what may seem "confrontational"...I mean no disrespect to anyone.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 16, 2009, 13:07:06 pm: E-aser, didnt see that one without the dash, it really acts like a laser according to the descrption, another +1 for meyer.

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all re-create the events in an arc....but, with out the dead short condition that creates max amp inflow.
So the conditions for an arc must be estabilished, but it may not arc over, how do you think this is accomplished?
I think that all energy must be 'absorbed' by the chokes while creating a static HV on the output terminal.

actually the conditions are recreated for a stream discharge, or corona, which can easly be done with a heavily insulated 10kohm coil.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 16, 2009, 14:59:17 pm: @Aussepom

so whats the output of this plasma cutter.. most i have ever seen use 20 amps up to like 80.. they use a arc to produce current in return heat then it uses the air to catalize the molten metal.. they create cleaner cuts then a acetlyne torch.. and use no fuel but electric.

so my question is, is this a form of regular electrolysis at high out put hitting a small cell??? is there heat build up in the cell? im sure you may get similar effect with standard electroloysis???

if the cell remains cool or just mildly warm
have you taken readings of you plasma cutters output? or read the amps running threw the ground cable?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 16, 2009, 15:12:44 pm: here are the spec to a average low end brand name plasma cutter, this is a 27 amp they go up to 80 in standard single phase...

it says its output is 27 amps at 92 volts max @ 35 percent duty..
you said you made some safety adjustments to your unit.. i can see bypassing the saftey features to make it run in conditions it usualy will not allow it self to.. like the torch has a trigger and if you pull the trigger while its not close enough to the material being cut it will cut off the torch in like 3 seconds..
miller
Spectrum® 375 X-TREME™         Cutting Capability
Rated: 3/8 in (10 mm)
Quality: 1/2 in (13 mm)
Sever: 5/8 in (16 mm)
                 Input Power
115 - 230 V 1 Phase
                 Input Amperage Circuit Requirement
A 120 volt, 20 amp (min.)
- 30 amp recommended or 230 volt, 15 amp (min.) individual branch circuit
                 Compressor Requirement
4.5 CFM (128 L/min.) at 90 PSI (621 kPa)
                 Rated Output at 104° F (40°C)
27 A at 92 VDC, 35% Duty Cycle (240 V input)
                 Net Weight
with torch: 18 lb (8.2 kg)
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 16, 2009, 19:01:53 pm: @Alan
I believe that the choke coils play the biggest part here. The two windings create a magnetic lag between each other...the magnetism fills up around the coil/core, and since amperage has a definite charge, it is affected by the fields.
So, even though the conditions to arc over are reached...the choke coils hold back the majority of amps...so amps don't flow, yet the gas is ionized.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 17, 2009, 00:28:34 am: and this is why you need more inductance then capacitance? a bifilar choke built to tesla's standards allows you to slow current and up voltage.. but only works when it has more capacitance in the choke wire (parasitic) then the load (capacitors static load)? this keeps your driving tranformer from feeling like a dead short?

in other words does more inductance mean that the choke has a higher static area capacitance then the cell with parasitic capacitance in the wires and bobbin..?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 17, 2009, 03:07:02 am: We're all inspired to get something to work, Not having the full details or instructions in front of us. We work on A Theory Basics with what we was given. If one finds he has to use several different components that was never on record or yet several instuctions missing, and it is found,, It was indeed because of the inspiration set forth in front of us.

It is not the inspiration that makes the machines, its the guy's that gets inspired By the Claims and cracks the code. They are the true creators, as the big claimers may have been a stick in the mud, or even fraudelent claimers.

If an inventer was to get the vic to work, you wouldn't start reading stans work to learn how it was cracked, you'd go to the guy that had it working, because he would be the only creator that holds the keys to the setup, It is he to be credited no matter where he got his inspiration from, You may learn several different components used by he, that was not given by the inspiror.

This water hobby doesn't have much going for it to date, its a wast of time, and money! When "One" Door gets cracked, the rest follows. When the technology starts to get cracked it will all get cracked at once becomming a great ruler in technology. If one was to crack 1 claim, and understand it, The rest will follow quickly. And this will be the Mega technology of our futures. We can thank our Inspirors for drawing our interest, Even if stan was a fraud the inspiration he gives is amazing, For that his name will be in history forever, For the good. Perhaps one day his devices will be proven to work, Then you can say, Man, that was stans device down to a T.

To further inspire you, There is much of stans work being held back, By GREED. There's still boxes and boxes of stuff locked away. It must be worth MILLIONS "Greed." Just wait, and hope. Its there, One day it will either get destroyed or given away, We can only hope it winds up in our hands and not destroyed by weather and carlessness of storage.

You guy's should search around, Find out more. Everything you want to know that your eye's has never seen is still on paper, It goes beyond water technology, Go get it before its ink fades. If you spent as much time looking for stans unseen boxes of documents as you did researching and testing the devices, you would probably have already found them and Maybe even gained access to them.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 17, 2009, 06:44:34 am: Hi guy thanks for the support, my computer crashed, not all of it but my Browsers all crashed could not get on the internet, I will get back I have to dash.
back soon
aussepom
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 17, 2009, 15:03:38 pm: Hi Guy's
Sorry I had to dash forgot the time had to go to a funeral.

As I was saying I has a partial computer crash, but it only affected my browsers, it took awhile to figure out what to do, as the stacks of info on different places, and contacts.
I knew it would be stored some where so I could not use them until I found the file and saved it some where else.
In the meantime it seems you guy have been having a guessing game. Well it has taken me a while to 'skim' through the pages that has suddenly appeared, asking all sorts of things.
I will try and answer some if miss some I am sure you will ask again.

When I joined my local group here in Melbourne, I did not know what 'Hydroxcy' was, it was over two and a half years ago, after looking for an alternative power source, I saw some thing on TV.

There has been a lot of talk of Stan's injector' yes looked into that found out that in the 'form shown in the patent' that it had no way of working.
Purach , not sure of the spelling, he had a better one, but that could not work either.

A friend of mine sent me a file on Langmuir, I read this with interest, and liked it.

I have worked with laser cutting machines, I use to help build them, mainly the electrical and electronic controls, build the boards and test the machines.
I have al ready had 12 years with Electrolysis, I even as most of you may know I have a proven technology for wastewater 'Electrowaste', that 'urine guy' is way behind me.
So to me that was not the way so, I looked for another.
When I started 'doodling' Langmuir, was the main 'inspiration' for some of it, plus many years of experience in the heavy industry, fixing all sorts of machines.
It is well documented that if get water over 800D C it would start changing, and at close to 3,000deg C it will go into the 'forth state of matter'.
If metals melt at this temperature then how could you do it?
A plasma cutter and welder run on different types of power, depending on what you want to do.
Now I am giving you some clues, there is an AC and a DC, you can not use a DC cutter to cut a 'non metallic material'. This is the type you want, you can do what I did with the DC but you will not be able to do completely what I will later.
I did use a DC power supply from the plasma cutter, but it is NOT THE CORRET SUPPLY TO DO IT PROPERLY that is why I had some problems, but I hired it, to see if I could get some sort of 'reaction'.
It was a 'pilot arc' start, if any of you 'play around' do not use any other type. Most are HV touch start. THIS IS NO BLOODY GOOD AND COULD BE DANGERIOUS.

The out put of the power that I used was DC, Square wave, running some where between 10 and 20khz.
No load volts around 100V dc, my main problem with the 'small test unit' was I could not turn the power down enough, the minimum setting was around 15 to 20amps too much for the small unit, I have no control over the volts.
When this firers up the volts drop to around 70v around 1050VA so from the mains calculated
Would be about 4amps, I had the clamp meter on but forgot to set it a peak hold.
So that was the power, I had to play around with the control switch, and the pilot arc control, so unless you know what you are doing, leave it.

How ever what yo can do if you have the dollars go and buy a RF supply at 13.56mhz, again this is very powerful stuff YOU CAN GET HURT.

However in the mean time build a SWMPS power supply, use a push pull output, square wave a real good one, that can give you 20 to 30amps at 70 to 80volts on full load.

The 'test unit' as you could see had no way of lasting very long with standard PVC fitting for isolation, the tip was brass did not melt, it got bloody hot, mainly I could not turn down the power, and the water supply was coming from a small pump did not have enough pressure to get pass the mixing air.
I was mixing air with the water, I start with all air, in the outer shell, then slowly mix water.
This is the only control that you will have if it works properly, there was only a few drops getting though, eventually you want all water.

Yes, the flame will melt tungsten, it did that's what happened with the prototype unit, you saw me pull a piece out, even the small unit will melt it.

The 'flame' could not be seen fully with the naked eye, the camera saw what I could not.
I saw the 'white' flare, to me this was Hydroxcy, the blue and the centre of that flame nearly white, well that’s something to get you started.

The main unit well there is a lot more to the workings, and technique to get it up and running properly, but you saw a glimmer of hope.

It is going to take a couple of weeks to get ready for the next test, funds are low.

What I can do and could share with you is how to build the small unit, and a more controlled power supply could keep it running for a longer time.

I will be building another to play with, but one that will not melt.
Well time for bed then work.
aussepom
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 17, 2009, 16:42:37 pm: Thank you for all this information Aussie. IT takes every bit of your money to do this, We all understand that.

You may be interested in stans water splitter. It's the same splitter that was spoke about in his video, The video that states that, There is no need for a fuel cell, "It only has a water splitter."

I have confirmed the water splitter to be an expansion valve, I've ran this question also across some good friends that was actually friends with stan, and they also told me it was an expansion valve as i suspected. What i have not researched is how stan got an actual Spark plug on the valve, It looks like he put the plug threw the valve. You can catch a glimps of this valve in his video, Its possible the valve was used for a low pressure chiller where the refrigerant was R718, also known as water.

Expansion means Expand. The valve simply Expands the water into an vapor right before the pistin. ;)
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 17, 2009, 22:42:58 pm: Hi warp
yes I have seen all Stans work, I find that 'all is not shown' that is why I said it can not work in the configuration as shown in the patent.

If you heat up water in an enclosed pipe to over 374deg C then exhaust it to a low pressure area
via a 'suitable nozzle' that could be an expansion valve. you see to do this you have to maintain the pressure in the pipe so the the 'restrictor', nozel, or expansion valve, call it what you like, you have to keep the pressure of the water coming in at the same pressure with out letting in any 'air'
this is done in some submarines it is a closed system, the nuclear reactor heat the water in an enclose space up to 400deg, C, the pipes that go though the reactor are also a closed system, it is the water in the later pipes that heat up the water to make steam, then that drives the turbines, and that is also a closed system. it is 'expanded' into steam directly into the turbine, the low presure steam is condenced back to water to be reheated. all this is done in the same way a refirgerator works.
gee you got me going.
The piont being this 'Oz Injector' can work 'under water' and so could replace the nuclear reactor.
there are many other uses.
well I have to stop.
aussepom
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 18, 2009, 05:39:46 am: Thank you greatly Aussepom!!!!!
Now the speculation can end...and after the dust has settled we see that it is indeed Atomic Hydrogen. Stan may have left out certain parts...but, if you look at EVERY patent, each one has some more of the puzzle. Let it be known that I have not JUST read his "tech brief". In fact, I have read every Stan Meyer patent (including U.S., Canadian, and his Japanese one)...I have read Puriarch's patent, I have read another RF water splitting patent (can't find it now). I have Studied Langmuir's process and also testing his "lead amalgam process"...which is DC electrolysis of water using Lead amalgam electrode(s), which will create as he put it "Nascient Hydrogen" directly, no need for H.V. ionization.

Anyway...I am glad someone with the funds has finally stepped into the Atomic Hydrogen realm ;D
I have dabbled in it and found the same as you...DC will create it (and Hydroxy)...but AC also heats the water more quickly at the same time (also, there seems to be a plasma diode effect..I believe it's a tunneling diode effect, but I have no way of testing right now) ;)
See this video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NBjbFhwGlU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NBjbFhwGlU)
And then this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUHeBPBzca0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUHeBPBzca0)
When I made them all I could find similar to it were so called "Cold Fusion" experiments (which I now believe are all Atomic Hydrogen)

P.S.
If you read Stan's patents very carefully you will find he uses a DC biased AC signal.
Also, if you know of Tesla's "cold plasma" (which he never patented, because he actually open sourced it for all) you will find that corona discharge will also Ionize atoms without heavy amp draw. Then if you study "Photoelectric effect" and "Photo-ionization" you will understand what both his LEDs and Hydrogen Laser were used for.
Then (lol)...If you read his patent on the injector you will see that the O3 from the ionized air acts as a "bump down" (or Electron Extraction Circuit) to recombine H1 to H2 spontaneously w/o melting your cylinder.

On a side note..."Plasmolysis", as an inventor who is currently running a water plug in Miami states..."...emits Soft X-rays"...aka Far UV. So be careful! (The inventor cannot sell his plugs to anyone due to this radiation...but, because he worked at Nasa, and I believe Skunk Works...the U.S. government has decided he can do it....but, his name escapes me now....he's an Old man who wears a H2 baseball cap in his video/interview)
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 18, 2009, 06:20:24 am: Stan doesn't use O3.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 18, 2009, 07:01:51 am: Quote from: Login to see usernames on July 17, 2009, 22:42:58 pm
Hi warp
yes I have seen all Stans work, I find that 'all is not shown' that is why I said it can not work in the configuration as shown in the patent.

If you heat up water in an enclosed pipe to over 374deg C then exhaust it to a low pressure area
via a 'suitable nozzle' that could be an expansion valve. you see to do this you have to maintain the pressure in the pipe so the the 'restrictor', nozel, or expansion valve, call it what you like, you have to keep the pressure of the water coming in at the same pressure with out letting in any 'air'
this is done in some submarines it is a closed system, the nuclear reactor heat the water in an enclose space up to 400deg, C, the pipes that go though the reactor are also a closed system, it is the water in the later pipes that heat up the water to make steam, then that drives the turbines, and that is also a closed system. it is 'expanded' into steam directly into the turbine, the low presure steam is condenced back to water to be reheated. all this is done in the same way a refirgerator works.
gee you got me going.
The piont being this 'Oz Injector' can work 'under water' and so could replace the nuclear reactor.
there are many other uses.
well I have to stop.
aussepom

I am very suprised with your reply, I can see you understand the state of change. Keep working if your heart is with it. Yes, stan used a modified expansion valve, I could provide a very simular photo that also helps prove this.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 18, 2009, 07:08:18 am: Radiant, Could that be herman anderson? He is dead now. His car was in kentucky.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 18, 2009, 10:39:20 am: Quote from: Login to see usernames on July 16, 2009, 19:01:53 pm
@Alan
I believe that the choke coils play the biggest part here. The two windings create a magnetic lag between each other...the magnetism fills up around the coil/core, and since amperage has a definite charge, it is affected by the fields.
So, even though the conditions to arc over are reached...the choke coils hold back the majority of amps...so amps don't flow, yet the gas is ionized.

ionization by field only, isn't ths called a corona discharge?
I think I don't understand the magnetic lag you talked about, also between which 2 windings?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 18, 2009, 11:09:06 am: ..
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 18, 2009, 18:01:22 pm: what if you followed the same principle.. build a bigger version of stans bifilar choke with cavitys for bifilar wound pancakes.. then buy a high speed scr like this one

http://www.nteinc.com/specs/5300to5399/pdf/nte5368_69.pdf (http://www.nteinc.com/specs/5300to5399/pdf/nte5374_75.pdf)

use the scr to to tune into the resonant of the choke..

does the plasma cutter have a variable amplitude control?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 18, 2009, 19:06:42 pm: @Warp...yeah that was the guy, Herman Anderson...it's a shame he's dead now :(

@Donaldwfc....Stand DOES use O3...ionizing air ALWAYS makes O3

@Aussepom
Thanks ;)
I have indeed studied very hard...and I have also done many experiments. I am currently making a miniature Atomic Hydrogen torch.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 18, 2009, 19:17:01 pm: What is the charge of the ozone radical atom?
+4q?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 18, 2009, 19:23:06 pm: If O3 exists, it is not part of Stan's process. Stan uses individual Positive Oxygen Ions, once you take them below 6 electrons they will be unstable, and unable to covalently bond. He even drew some pretty pictures to show how it works.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 18, 2009, 22:54:18 pm: Hi outlawstc
not unless use then in a 'switching action, you have to use another to turn it off, not good.

"does the plasma cutter have a variable amplitude control?" No they just use PMW. at around 10 to 20khz square wave.

in the tig and do in the 'plasma cut'
They use of a 'saturated reactor' a choke. You may have 100V DC to stat with but when you pull current it drops to about 70v the choke is then 'saturated' and the current is steady.

For me to make a heavy DC power supply it would cost around the same as one of these tic/plasma cutters. the out put is not what I want, but I will make a new 'add on board' utilizing the 'power supply' and then I can switch between the two. The new add on will have the 'plasma supply and control it has to be a lot higher frequency and is 'RF' the IGBT's do not go high enough and would get too hot at higher frequencies above 20khz.
aussepom
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2009, 00:43:58 am: Radiant, I don't know what to say, you are reading the exact description I am referring too [plus the videos] and some how you manage pull O3 out of that. So I'm going to give up and leave this topic to it's rightful discussion of the Oz Injector.

I also think it's odd how you go head over heals to proclaim Atomic Hydrogen, or single Hydrogen atoms, yet you completely miss the point that it is also Atomic Oxygen, or single Oxygen atoms. These Oxygen atoms can not form Molecular O3 for the exact same reason why they can not form H2O when they react with the Hydrogen, they are missing their covalent electrons and are too positively charged to bond to other Atoms and can not stabilize, first they must destroy several Hydrogen Atoms before they have regained enough electrons to stabilize in a molecular structure.

Sorry Aussepom for getting off track in your topic.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2009, 07:03:52 am: O3 is 3 oxygen atoms, It's More referred to name would be Ozone layer.

Chlorine will kill our ozone, and turn it into Chlorine Monoxide letting harmful rays threw. 1 Chlorine molecule will destroy, 100,000 ozone molecules, which is why its hot.

Be Nice Guy's
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2009, 09:46:15 am: Stan does not use O3.(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/HFP.jpg)
If you can explain how "The oxygen atom having less than four covalent electrons" is able to form O3 then I'll graciously retract my correction of your error. If you can.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2009, 13:18:51 pm: Quote from: Login to see usernames onaldwfc on July 19, 2009, 09:46:15 am
Stan does not use O3.(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/HFP.jpg)
If you can explain how "The oxygen atom having less than four covalent electrons" is able to form O3 then I'll graciously retract my correction of your error. If you can.
Ozone also got a dipole moment
What is the charge of the oxygen radical, or third oxygen atom? +4qe? [charge of 4 missing electrons]
Such as with H2O, H2 = +2qe and O = -2qe, molecule nets zero

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Ozone-resonance-Lewis-2D.png)

i cant tell from this pic
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2009, 20:05:58 pm: Quote from: Login to see usernames onaldwfc on July 19, 2009, 00:43:58 am
Radiant, I don't know what to say, you are reading the exact description I am referring too [plus the videos] and some how you manage pull O3 out of that. So I'm going to give up and leave this topic to it's rightful discussion of the Oz Injector.

I also think it's odd how you go head over heals to proclaim Atomic Hydrogen, or single Hydrogen atoms, yet you completely miss the point that it is also Atomic Oxygen, or single Oxygen atoms. These Oxygen atoms can not form Molecular O3 for the exact same reason why they can not form H2O when they react with the Hydrogen, they are missing their covalent electrons and are too positively charged to bond to other Atoms and can not stabilize, first they must destroy several Hydrogen Atoms before they have regained enough electrons to stabilize in a molecular structure.

Sorry Aussepom for getting off track in your topic.

Well I used to think the same , but you never know anything with this mofo Stan . Thats why you always formulate with the word " I think" . Perhaps he had to introduce an external source of ionized air to further the electron stripping .

Radiant_1 certainly needs better manners , that is a given .

Sorry for taking off topic this wundeful attempt @ a OU device .
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2009, 01:16:47 am: W/e Dankie...at least I say what I feel to people's faces...so, don't go there >:(

As for understanding that air ionizes to O3...doesn't matter...it will do so whether you believe it does or doesn't

I apologize Aussepom for allowing the arguement to take over your thread...I have removed the offending posts
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Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2009, 06:36:09 am: I am sorry if your thread got debunked to this area. I am on dialup and i simply do not have the time to Maintain each and every post, It would take me all day and would be very flusterating.

I am not pointing Fingers, But from now on when something like this happens, It will wind up here! So have fun!

AND, try to be nice guy's. This means watch your attitude and way of language.

Again, very sorry if your post wound up here, if you had a question for Aussie, Please repost it in his thread.