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Sebosfato / Re: My new approach
« Last post by Login to see usernames on June 17, 2024, 22:11:14 pm »
I simply added some resistors to the dual secondaries (low coupled) in parallel with them it cleans all the noise

It consume some small power of course however it’s totally needed!

But when it’s under heavy load the noise persists since the parallel resistances only help when voltage is high

Using diodes or resistors in each layer of the coils would prevent any noise

This coils may be siting here like 10 years now so I would like to use it anyway as I put to my self the challenge to try using only things I had at home!

Must be good enough for when is tune to water

If not I simply make another with the above configuration

When Stan say he has 10k per coil I guess he was not talking about series resistance

I think that is so out of context that is easy to make wrong assumptions but for my understanding he used the resistive wire sections in between the coils or even a coil of only resistive wire but not that resistive too because otherwise you get very few power

So probably the coils were small in size and serve the purpose of detecting water tune

The feedback coil was probably sandwiched between it in the ee core

It don’t need to be resistive wire for that any magnetic wire will do when I mean magnetic is that it is attracted to a magnet

Along the years I got some ignition coils to test and they have 11kohm so for long time I thought about them

The goal with car ignition coils is pretty much the same they want a spark that cross the gap but than the spark can have more current if the coils has no resistace so they add resistance to it because as the car speeds up the frequency changes and so you need a stable voltage output it cannot peak at certain frequencies

The resistance thereto stabilizes the undesired resonances and magnetic properties of the wire is responsible to shield the magnetic field and create another one of opposite polarity this induce one the feedback coils sandwiched between it the correct feedback phase

Sebosfato / Re: My new approach
« Last post by Login to see usernames on June 17, 2024, 15:59:57 pm »
After lot of testing I understand that the coils design on the Vic may play a role too for reduce ringing

I mean the coils need to get the lowest capacitance possible so muktispool is indeed a good way to go

The lower the capacitance is the lowest resistance is needed to kill the ringing to start with

So the coils must be few turns per layer also like the resonant coils to lower

The ringing need to go away for the feedback be able to give the correct signal and phase comparator be able to lock

The test I’m doing is make sure it will lock within the range I want when I open circuit or connect a very light load instead of shorting

The scanning circuit need to be active when there is no lock

One thing is working with clean signals the pll simply work very easy but noise is not so

Believe it or not it appear to me the best way to do the coils is actually not having perfect layers because this cause different random capacitances inductance at each turn

Adding resistance is also a possibility

But it need to be added between the layers to kill this resonance

However a limited amount of resistance can be added since power must go to the cell too

So is a trade of efficiency and ringing acceptable

Another way to make it ring less would be to use a diode on each layer of the coil or maybe loading the coil with some external resistor or capacitor to filter the noise out as I was pointing last month

The thing is that it woks

The feedback lock and etc

Isn’t it getting interesting?

Would be nice to see some more comments from you!

The secondaries that are well coupled to the primary don’t ring much they ring at much higher frequency

I though maybe try to increase the coupling a little to make it ring less on the other secondaries

I think of making anothe coil having 10 ohm resistors in each layer to see if it improves

I thought of making a multilayer coil and connect resistors until find the correct size needed

I I had ten hands here all would be doing something!

Sebosfato / Re: My new approach
« Last post by Login to see usernames on June 17, 2024, 10:03:45 am »
Here it goes

This is how the coils were secretly connected

The resistive magnetic wire was a manner to lower the coupling of a coil in a ee core transformer

And also reduce ringing noises

The cc core the coupling can be controles easier

There are also other ways to control coupling

For me he was trying to find a fancy way to hide the feedback in a manner that would be very hard to understand it’s working without having it open and inspected but would be impossible because it would be encapsulated

Anyone would think it was tuning to the Lc circuit and not to the phase reversal

I hope you enjoy my where is Waldo drawing style

Sebosfato / Re: My new approach
« Last post by Login to see usernames on June 17, 2024, 00:52:56 am »
The pll is locking in upper harmonics probably the self resonance of the coils when I open circuit

It’s locking to 151khz

When the of set is much off it won’t lock

The transformer sounds like an old Fm radio trying to find tune

Seems like I’m trying contact with the aliens actually

The sounds that come out from it and the frequencies it’s showing are really not consistent

The scanning ckt stops seeking when lock of course and it than stay locked

Sebosfato / Re: My new approach
« Last post by Login to see usernames on June 16, 2024, 22:56:49 pm »
So I’m sorry if you think different or disagree

Is just there in the face of who has clear mind to understand and actually see it working

So the pll feedback and scanning circuit  and vic together is a system to tune based on load condition! Period!

Now the load is the dc current that can flow on water and the required fields the only one that will lower is the dc

So is obvious now?

Sebosfato / Re: My new approach
« Last post by Login to see usernames on June 16, 2024, 22:44:59 pm »
Another problem I see is the feedback amplifier was set for the piezo sensor and is not very stable with a single turn

I may need more turns to stabilize it or maybe try another topology

Sebosfato / Re: My new approach
« Last post by Login to see usernames on June 16, 2024, 22:40:18 pm »
First step done

Feedback working as I predicted

With a loop of wire you can show where phase inversion works walking with it in the core

When unload automatically switch to zero phase

Check YouTube I will put a live in few minutes showing it!

I’m just trying t get rid of the noise that unconnected coils are causing by oscillating

Is incredibly nice when things work as predicted

The only thing I noticed is that water is leaking a little in the screw

I’m wiring one thing at a time to test each part individually

What’s interesting about this is that the coils are connected in series with fields adding and it gives a 180degrees phase

All because of the leakage inductance that as I explained act as a high inductance in series with this secondary having low coupling because of the position on the core so this secondary actually act as a primary coil to the feedback coil and it win the battle when it’s heavy loaded because the load lower its voltage to a minimum so the other secondary in series win and make it reverse phase while if the load become high impedance the current flow is low and the voltage drop is low so it start summing voltage with the other secondary

I may have be luck to get the exact range that I wanted

Or is really that simple

Resistive wire would probably do a better job not showing this ringing that I mentioned

The thing is that it need some load to invert the phase I tested with 120ohms rapidly and it already inverts

Above some kohm it don’t revert only clean the signal

Sebosfato / Re: My new approach
« Last post by Login to see usernames on June 16, 2024, 11:02:51 am »
I believe manganese iron and  nickel gadolinium could be ideas

Mixed with water and forced thru the epg by the gas was what meyer seem to be doing

Perhaps some other possibilities is that it was gas filled with co2 for example exibis supercritical behavior

And is a great solvent

Can be pumped

And is easy to obtain

Or maybe other gases…

Magnetic fields has to do with unpaired electrons

Water has 2 paired electrons nickel has 2 unpaired

Oxygen however in its gaseous form indeed is magnetic so water in its formation somehow loose this magnetic field when the hydrogen pair up with the oxygen losing its electrons to oxygen orbitals

Sebosfato / Re: My new approach
« Last post by Login to see usernames on June 16, 2024, 10:48:13 am »
If water is placed on a magnetic field the particles will tend to move in the direction of the field because they experience force in the other directions

Now what if we place magnetic particles in water like neodymium etc well if they are ions they can be accelerated

That’s where the epg goes

The epg is certainly a resonant primary coil or a Tesla coil like primary

It should resonate at high power with capacitors like an induction coil

The material inside will have this voltage as acceleration force and probably as ionization source

The coils on the outside makes the molecules flip the magnetic fields and the more they flip more they will generate electricity supposedly

You get two magnetic fields going one vertical and another from the coil in the perpendicular tangent direction to the other

Magnetic of the coils is needed to make it work so it act as a generator but need a power supply to start operation

Sebosfato / Re: My new approach
« Last post by Login to see usernames on June 16, 2024, 09:50:26 am »
The rolled idea has one more idea

Triboelectric effect

Runing water against dissimilar plastics generated positive and negative charge this act as a kind of deionization

So having this sandwich of plastics could be interesting with water being forced thru it

Water purity has to do with the velocity the particles can reach

Is obvious that the higher the voltage we can apply to water the higher will be the velocity of the ions In it!

If there few of this ions they are spaced apart and has a lower force of attraction to its counter ion

So if we have few ions we can apply a higher voltage for a lower current flow

Why is this important?

Because the laws of induction and Lorentz force depend on the velocity of the particles in cutting the fields

So basically the cell is a small particle accelerator

The greatest is the voltage the higher is the speed of the particles than and the greater is the force they experience or better the more their path will be deflected by the field

So in short cern makes a huge particle accelerator seem the only way to accelerate particles but actually everything is moving, even heat is a kind of chaotic movement of particles at very high speed

Aligning this already contained energy of vibration to one singular dimension instead of 3 may be the cause of why it should be a could process

Hope you have a great weekend because here is only work

Just back to the tribo idea to make clear when you charge by friction you easily get thousands of volts because you are stealing the charge from the plastic is  becomes static  and of course can be discharged but you get the idea

In Italy I made Lots of test it’s Mylar a kind of plastic for capacitors I got from RS components at time

It was from 3m

Had like 0.000025m thickness this is the one I rolled years ago

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