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General Discussion / Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Last post by Login to see usernames on April 25, 2025, 02:38:10 am »
AI  Question + Answer.
What is the ohms electrical resistance of salt water with small electrodes?
When considering the electrical resistance of saltwater with small electrodes, the resistance can vary based on factors such as the concentration of salt in the water and the distance between the electrodes.
Saltwater is a good conductor of electricity due to the presence of ions from the dissolved salt. The electrical resistance of saltwater decreases as the salt concentration increases. Typically, the resistance of saltwater can range from a few hundred ohms to several kilo ohms, depending on the specific conditions.
For a more precise measurement of the electrical resistance of saltwater with small electrodes, you may need to conduct an experiment to determine the exact value based on the specific parameters of your setup. It's important to handle electricity and water with caution to ensure safety during any experiments involving them. ⚡💧
 
 Nathren from Georgia messages forum  had said several times that the engine conversion to water required 100volts and 6-7 amps. Later on, the circuit schematic for car engines was published using the Inverter, diodes  and a dual coils relay per cylinder. The drawing only showed half wave DC output as about 35 volts DC. I had contemplated the coils and diodes formed back EMF as higher volts forward, to make up the difference. Otherwise, bridge rectification is required to get the 100volts.  Just another means to keep company data private.
The bench test I did short while back showed about 118 ohms resistance with spark plug electrodes and salt water, as one tenth amp at 12v DC only allowed.  Calculator was used several times verification.  The same higher 100 voltage would also be required with small engines , as the Briggs 18HP from 2008 summer demonstrations done. Only electrolysis Water cells with large SS plates surface area, in solution can use 12v DC input.   The operation of an engine on spark plug electrolysis, even at a lower power level, is still advantageous . Some have used large capacitor discharges for large bangs, and using CDI, but this is in microseconds time, not the required milliseconds. I have Patent copies of very old concepts of spark plug firing hydrogen methods. (Full cabinet) See also MOOKER Open source Forum on alternate energy , and https://www.ionizationx.com/index.php
 
I have packet of selected out copies of tech documents from the shut down Waterfuel1978 .
I had told you of the Georgia use of lower quality square waves Inverter boxes , that should have been the Pure Sine Wave Type! The fast REGULAR peak pulses currents are way better. The other type would need to be several hundred more watts , just to get quality Peak pulse currents.

Now today, I am referencing to you about the sealed relays used back at that time. Rated for 60 cycles use but for about 3-6 volts input. They called them the 110v relays  or the magic relays. The second coil of two in series was fired with both the low volts 7 amps and the high volts ignition the same time. It's not made for that, and most probable, were shorting across the windings of the magnet wire . All of the Georgia engines ran slightly rough . The exhaust water added back in with  Nitrogen content had helped somewhat.
 My new coil in sealed vacuumed box is Ferrite toroid with 1.75millihenry inductance, - the same as they had ,but wound with #16 gauge wire that is 10kv high voltage ignition cable, about 23 turns. (Not magnet wire #21 gauge as used in sealed relay)  Diodes also present under the vacuum to release the Radiant Energy from cathode, to follow wiring to spark plug. Georgia tech people hand crafted 2 relays that failed, and were also NOT used in vacuum.  The first of 2 original inductors not needed any more , because of the supplied magnetic field of the S1R coil. I assumed the "Magic" was because of the internal Radiant Energy created, along with the required magnetic field from the other coil inside of sealed relay.
These 2 items were on my mind lately as the Inverter change, and Inductor change. My power supply as first testing will be used with 500Watt  open board 20khz DC to DC converter , about 140volts DC. The toroid inductor in box, is for that power supply, as ferrite material is used for high frequency. I also have the 60 cycles low frequency sine wave type inverters , but still undecided on the appropriate inductor coil. For some items, you can save lots of money by bypassing E Bay + Amazon , by buying direct from China from AliExpress. We just have to wait 2-3 weeks delivery.

The 2008 Nathren + son Nathren mower engine demonstrations  had the burned out green inverter box in background of video. Nathren had shorted it out, but never removed it for the videos. Since circuit requires 110v DC,, just like the car engines,  there must be  a smaller 300Watt inverter in rear hole of cement block. It was hidden, just as the plastic deli tub held several other parts away from prying eyes. Battery start. Battery removed. Crankshaft turns and turns alternator at idle speed. 13 magnets power all.  The 2 alternators need bridge rectifier for about 15 amps max, for 5 amps S1R9A9M9 electromagnet coil and 9-10 amps for input to inverter. Self running Briggs 18HP engine, on salt water!  (Hydrogen gas and ionized repulsive water vapor pressure )

The fuel gases come from the injection of 7 amps DC during the TDC zero to -neg 34 degrees 34% late timing as required with hydrogen engines. The approximate  1 amp AVERAGE DC is over the full cycle period.  (110v DC at one average amp is output of Inverter secondary side. ) The flywheel then goes all around with no ignition for 66% time back to TDC.
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General Discussion / Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Last post by Login to see usernames on April 23, 2025, 16:34:00 pm »
The DC generator is mounted under flywheel of all Briggs riding lawn mowers engines. On the S1R9A9M9 engine of 2008, it had what what called DUAL ALTERNATORS. The red and black wire is actually (2) separate AC alternators output. The opposite ends of the coils are grounded under the plastic ring under the flywheel. Black is AC  power, not a ground wire. The 2 AC wires extend to rectification to recharge battery or provide power to extra circuit. It is UNUSUAL to use the 2 wires at same time for same purpose, instead of headlights + charging line. The flywheel contains 13 permanent magnets. 12 for the generator and 1 for the ignition. No input is used to run generator or ignition other than turning crankshaft. When hydrogen gas fuel is made at spark plug , the engine starts running. The battery was used for the starter motor only, then completely shut off. Power to make electrolysis is then coming from generator at idle speed. Salt water is allowed to flow into top of carb from hose + bottle. Diodes needed to get DC to make low efficiency electrolysis of water. Fuel gas forms at tips of spark plug and fires same time. The added wire coil changes the timing ,as is needed with hydrogen. The spark plug receives what is called pulse PEAK DC current as about 10A. Spark plug was changed to Champion QC12YC at 125 ohms , rather than original 4000ohms resistance. They also come apart to remove resistor to get a Zero ohms racing plug. ( copper #12 wire segment replacement) Inverter box of 300-500W used with primary side of 9-10 amps DC from idling alternators. 110v DC full wave used from secondary side for firing spark plug. Peak pulse amps + average amps over the cycle time. The separate electromagnet 20 turns wire over plug wire, of 5 amps, causes extension of spark time for about 34% duty cycle. Firing Hydrogen requires late timing. Power as ABOUT 5 A + 10 A = 15 amps max from dual alternators.

You can verify an old used engine would just run by adding 70% alcohol, or acetylene gas from carbide stones + water added, or also Ether spray into carb. The sound of Nathren's water engine on hydrogen from 2008 sounds like a water pump. Youtube (2 )videos by S1R9A9M9
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General Discussion / Re: Fraud, Truth, And Antigravity From Late 1800's John Keely
« Last post by Login to see usernames on April 09, 2025, 01:01:02 am »
John Keely - Floating hollow brass sphere, Floating platform with vibrators array, triple sirens on 1 ton platform floats with ratio inharmonics applied ,
and demonstrated tuning forks array hooked to triple wires in series as silver, platinum and gold , as hooked to 2 ton steel pressure tank.
Tank rises up and set on steel tripod. Visitors signed affidavits as being present , late 1800's. The 5 Million dollar Keely Motor Company 1865-1899
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General Discussion / Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Last post by Login to see usernames on April 08, 2025, 19:23:11 pm »
The shop in Georgia had converted several cars , as 4,6,8 cylinder  engines on mineral water. They all had standard alternators. The one most talked about was the 1978 Chevy ElCamino V8 running on mineral water. There was a separate 2nd battery used to run the Inverter box . The alternator charged both batteries with diode isolation box. For off idle power, the main jet in carb is re drilled about 33% larger.  The car reported to get 18MPG water, but after later reusing some of the waste exhaust drippings, the mileage went way higher , due to the addition of Nitrogen embedded in the expelled water. Smother running engine also. The other v8 on engine stand was running electrical power generator 24 hours always on. The regular alternator recharged battery, and the GENERATOR provided free electricity for work shop.  Data taken from the now shut down web forum. Spark plug electrolysis for hydrogen gas + water vapor pressure.
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General Discussion / Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Last post by Login to see usernames on April 08, 2025, 09:27:22 am »
was that engine self sustaining it self?
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General Discussion / Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Last post by Login to see usernames on April 06, 2025, 00:26:30 am »
This message is in regards to the Georgia conversions on the earlier 4,6, 8-cylinder engines used with mineral water. The shop had worked on hundreds of adjustments for years , trying to get it right. They talked about surging, rough  engines, and some actual improvement came when it was Nathren (father) who was the only one who noticed about EGR being used on the better running engines.
I had made up a list of possibilities of minor changes that I had never submitted to them, possibly they never thought of.

Today I wanted to tell you about one of those on the list. The Georgia techs used the same Inverter box on each car with the matching relays per cylinder, to make use of the inductors and diodes. Now,....... There are several types of Inverters 110v AC output. (I prefer the 220v units as diodes bank loses about 10 volts)

There is the low frequency 60 cycles as modified corrected sine wave (square waves).
The 500W 20khz high frequency open board China Inverters with multiple outputs.
The 500-600W 60 cycles pure sine wave circuit Inverter unit.

Why this is important is because Inverters also give a specification for Peak, temporary current under 40% duty cycle. Such as 400W to 800W with an associated peak amps pulse current. The cheaper quality Inverters are mostly modified sine wave. What that means is, not quality repeatable same peak current in fast pulses. It is now assumed that the Georgia techs needed to change their input power to Pure Sine Wave , more costly Inverters. It has to do with type of electrical load as resistive, inductive, etc. They had never , over the years finally corrected the engine running problem. Also, source to purchase exact special relays never found. They had been using the Green Inverter box Power On Board 400watts, modified sine wave, 12vDC to 110v AC.
I have an array of different Inverter boxes collected over time.

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General Discussion / Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Last post by Login to see usernames on April 04, 2025, 17:58:39 pm »
Most people don't take the time to read all messages on subject. They don't like long paragraphs. There were 2 demonstrations back in 2008 regarding mower engine running at idle speed on salt water. The battery supplied amps for start only. The idle RPM dual alternators supplied up to15 amps for conversion circuit. Alternators + ignition self running by 12 +1 magnets and crankshaft rotation. . The Ignition coil on a Briggs engine is called a Magnetron (with SS trigger). The S1R coils assembly does 3 things. Am ample increase in high voltage, extension of timing from TDC to -34 degrees ATDC, and applying mild magnetism to spark plug electrodes. The added Inverter box supplies additional power 120v AC to DC , about 10Amps Peak pulse Amps to spark plug. This circuit was used by the tech people on all the earlier car engines tested . Those used also a special relay per cylinder. The S1R coils replaces the unabtainable obsolete 60 cycles  traffic signals control relays. Approx 4A to electromagnet coils over plug wire, and 11 amps to primary side of Inverter,  for 15 A Max 12-14v DC from alternators full wave DC. The mower circuit also used an inductor of 1.75millihenry , and extra required spark gap. The plastic housing had room for 1 relay . There was talk about the relay  diode joint with high volts entrance point forming Radiant Energy that may have increased conversion efficiency. The Vacuum sealed relay stops loss of RF in ambiant air. The salt water and 120v DC at plug forms hydrogen gas and fires same time. (spark plug electrolysis) There was also water vapor pressure contributing to the piston compression. There are several US Patents on same thing, going way back in time. Low engine power output but usable, as for instance operating an electrical 120v AC power generator. The tech people said a higher HP engine required by ratio to add a generator requiring certain HP.  Ohm's laws still in effect.
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General Discussion / Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Last post by Login to see usernames on April 04, 2025, 01:47:31 am »
Reference  Aug 27, 2008  Waterfuel1978 Forum

Briggs Magnetron with triple coils assembly, inductor,- used with standard Ignition coil bench tester. Daveand5 noted the leakage inductance crossover voltage 150v to the low volts side. When wires hooked up, the Briggs 15kv coil gave out an unusual 40kv. Range switch on 50kv. He noted also the plastic tub holder had helped raise up voltage. He suggested increasing the 2nd and third coil size for further change.

After reading this paper over considerable amount of time, I recently got the idea of COORELATIONS. I did this years ago with other subjects, and it works. If you do some bench tests and note 4 outcomes, but only mention 2 or 3 to others over long period, the people still have questions. The originator may deem it not significant to talk about.

Based on these other COORELATIONS I find that the Georgia people neglected to tell of ignition major voltage change, when firing spark plugs with the new S1R coils assembly.

With the S1r coils having reversed source flows of power, there is inherent designed in interference placed on the spark cable-bare wire. This we already know forms longer on time of spark ATDC and mild magnetism at tips of plug. The Georgia techs failed to mention about increased volts firing the spark plugs. They called it boosting the ignition cable by adding more current. Volts + current are 2 different things and by different methods. Inverter output current and magnetic field impressed.

(1.) The plastic deli tub holding the S1R electrical wiring acted as a capacitance for aiding the increased voltage of output. We know the general DC power supplies use a filter capacitor after the diodes, that raises up the end volts.

(2.) The 2008 bench test indicated an abnormal change of ignition volts going as to 40KV.

(3.) Nathren said the earlier 60 turns coil over plug wire test on fender of car engine formed magnetic field that fired spark plug in air with white/blue ball flame blast. Under compression it is stronger.

(4.) Nathren said that the Briggs 18HP engine tests with S1r coils gave higher output voltage than the car engine ignition coils.

Therefore, because of correlations, it is my contention that it is normal for our S1R windings coils to increase the Magnetron high voltage to a much higher range for firing saltwater solution for successful running a water engine.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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General Discussion / Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Last post by Login to see usernames on April 02, 2025, 08:53:49 am »
correction, the car ran on a battery.....
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General Discussion / Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Last post by Login to see usernames on April 01, 2025, 21:34:23 pm »
Use for those pesky one use throw away plastic flash cameras.

You can make a pop gun from firing capacitor into salt water in a large plastic syringe. The plunger will shoot out + hit the wall. Electrolysis of water for Hydrogen gas and fire same time. Insert 2 screws close together at the compression end of syringe with water. Keep the whole board. Use battery to run the charger circuit for the capacitor. (Use instead of lighting up a flash lamp.) Man from Philippines did this awhile back.. Another man discharged 500uf capacitor charged from several hundred volts supply, into mower engine spark plug. Salt water was put on end electrodes. When fired as electrolysis, it forms hydrogen gas and fires plug same time. His engine crankshaft turned over one revolution. Bench test was repeated. There are regular electrolytic caps and also whats called photo flash type which are called low ESR. These type discharge faster, less internal heating, and release more energy in one blast.
The Horvath US Patent showed how to run electrolysis cell on capacitor discharges which ended up as 30v + 200 pulse amps to electrodes in electrolyte, at 10khz.. Full schematic and parts list. Car ran on water.
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