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General Discussion / Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
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What is the ohms electrical resistance of salt water with small electrodes?
When considering the electrical resistance of saltwater with small electrodes, the resistance can vary based on factors such as the concentration of salt in the water and the distance between the electrodes.
Saltwater is a good conductor of electricity due to the presence of ions from the dissolved salt. The electrical resistance of saltwater decreases as the salt concentration increases. Typically, the resistance of saltwater can range from a few hundred ohms to several kilo ohms, depending on the specific conditions.
For a more precise measurement of the electrical resistance of saltwater with small electrodes, you may need to conduct an experiment to determine the exact value based on the specific parameters of your setup. It's important to handle electricity and water with caution to ensure safety during any experiments involving them. ⚡💧
Nathren from Georgia messages forum had said several times that the engine conversion to water required 100volts and 6-7 amps. Later on, the circuit schematic for car engines was published using the Inverter, diodes and a dual coils relay per cylinder. The drawing only showed half wave DC output as about 35 volts DC. I had contemplated the coils and diodes formed back EMF as higher volts forward, to make up the difference. Otherwise, bridge rectification is required to get the 100volts. Just another means to keep company data private.
The bench test I did short while back showed about 118 ohms resistance with spark plug electrodes and salt water, as one tenth amp at 12v DC only allowed. Calculator was used several times verification. The same higher 100 voltage would also be required with small engines , as the Briggs 18HP from 2008 summer demonstrations done. Only electrolysis Water cells with large SS plates surface area, in solution can use 12v DC input. The operation of an engine on spark plug electrolysis, even at a lower power level, is still advantageous . Some have used large capacitor discharges for large bangs, and using CDI, but this is in microseconds time, not the required milliseconds. I have Patent copies of very old concepts of spark plug firing hydrogen methods. (Full cabinet) See also MOOKER Open source Forum on alternate energy , and https://www.ionizationx.com/index.php
I have packet of selected out copies of tech documents from the shut down Waterfuel1978 .
I had told you of the Georgia use of lower quality square waves Inverter boxes , that should have been the Pure Sine Wave Type! The fast REGULAR peak pulses currents are way better. The other type would need to be several hundred more watts , just to get quality Peak pulse currents.
Now today, I am referencing to you about the sealed relays used back at that time. Rated for 60 cycles use but for about 3-6 volts input. They called them the 110v relays or the magic relays. The second coil of two in series was fired with both the low volts 7 amps and the high volts ignition the same time. It's not made for that, and most probable, were shorting across the windings of the magnet wire . All of the Georgia engines ran slightly rough . The exhaust water added back in with Nitrogen content had helped somewhat.
My new coil in sealed vacuumed box is Ferrite toroid with 1.75millihenry inductance, - the same as they had ,but wound with #16 gauge wire that is 10kv high voltage ignition cable, about 23 turns. (Not magnet wire #21 gauge as used in sealed relay) Diodes also present under the vacuum to release the Radiant Energy from cathode, to follow wiring to spark plug. Georgia tech people hand crafted 2 relays that failed, and were also NOT used in vacuum. The first of 2 original inductors not needed any more , because of the supplied magnetic field of the S1R coil. I assumed the "Magic" was because of the internal Radiant Energy created, along with the required magnetic field from the other coil inside of sealed relay.
These 2 items were on my mind lately as the Inverter change, and Inductor change. My power supply as first testing will be used with 500Watt open board 20khz DC to DC converter , about 140volts DC. The toroid inductor in box, is for that power supply, as ferrite material is used for high frequency. I also have the 60 cycles low frequency sine wave type inverters , but still undecided on the appropriate inductor coil. For some items, you can save lots of money by bypassing E Bay + Amazon , by buying direct from China from AliExpress. We just have to wait 2-3 weeks delivery.
The 2008 Nathren + son Nathren mower engine demonstrations had the burned out green inverter box in background of video. Nathren had shorted it out, but never removed it for the videos. Since circuit requires 110v DC,, just like the car engines, there must be a smaller 300Watt inverter in rear hole of cement block. It was hidden, just as the plastic deli tub held several other parts away from prying eyes. Battery start. Battery removed. Crankshaft turns and turns alternator at idle speed. 13 magnets power all. The 2 alternators need bridge rectifier for about 15 amps max, for 5 amps S1R9A9M9 electromagnet coil and 9-10 amps for input to inverter. Self running Briggs 18HP engine, on salt water! (Hydrogen gas and ionized repulsive water vapor pressure )
The fuel gases come from the injection of 7 amps DC during the TDC zero to -neg 34 degrees 34% late timing as required with hydrogen engines. The approximate 1 amp AVERAGE DC is over the full cycle period. (110v DC at one average amp is output of Inverter secondary side. ) The flywheel then goes all around with no ignition for 66% time back to TDC.
What is the ohms electrical resistance of salt water with small electrodes?
When considering the electrical resistance of saltwater with small electrodes, the resistance can vary based on factors such as the concentration of salt in the water and the distance between the electrodes.
Saltwater is a good conductor of electricity due to the presence of ions from the dissolved salt. The electrical resistance of saltwater decreases as the salt concentration increases. Typically, the resistance of saltwater can range from a few hundred ohms to several kilo ohms, depending on the specific conditions.
For a more precise measurement of the electrical resistance of saltwater with small electrodes, you may need to conduct an experiment to determine the exact value based on the specific parameters of your setup. It's important to handle electricity and water with caution to ensure safety during any experiments involving them. ⚡💧
Nathren from Georgia messages forum had said several times that the engine conversion to water required 100volts and 6-7 amps. Later on, the circuit schematic for car engines was published using the Inverter, diodes and a dual coils relay per cylinder. The drawing only showed half wave DC output as about 35 volts DC. I had contemplated the coils and diodes formed back EMF as higher volts forward, to make up the difference. Otherwise, bridge rectification is required to get the 100volts. Just another means to keep company data private.
The bench test I did short while back showed about 118 ohms resistance with spark plug electrodes and salt water, as one tenth amp at 12v DC only allowed. Calculator was used several times verification. The same higher 100 voltage would also be required with small engines , as the Briggs 18HP from 2008 summer demonstrations done. Only electrolysis Water cells with large SS plates surface area, in solution can use 12v DC input. The operation of an engine on spark plug electrolysis, even at a lower power level, is still advantageous . Some have used large capacitor discharges for large bangs, and using CDI, but this is in microseconds time, not the required milliseconds. I have Patent copies of very old concepts of spark plug firing hydrogen methods. (Full cabinet) See also MOOKER Open source Forum on alternate energy , and https://www.ionizationx.com/index.php
I have packet of selected out copies of tech documents from the shut down Waterfuel1978 .
I had told you of the Georgia use of lower quality square waves Inverter boxes , that should have been the Pure Sine Wave Type! The fast REGULAR peak pulses currents are way better. The other type would need to be several hundred more watts , just to get quality Peak pulse currents.
Now today, I am referencing to you about the sealed relays used back at that time. Rated for 60 cycles use but for about 3-6 volts input. They called them the 110v relays or the magic relays. The second coil of two in series was fired with both the low volts 7 amps and the high volts ignition the same time. It's not made for that, and most probable, were shorting across the windings of the magnet wire . All of the Georgia engines ran slightly rough . The exhaust water added back in with Nitrogen content had helped somewhat.
My new coil in sealed vacuumed box is Ferrite toroid with 1.75millihenry inductance, - the same as they had ,but wound with #16 gauge wire that is 10kv high voltage ignition cable, about 23 turns. (Not magnet wire #21 gauge as used in sealed relay) Diodes also present under the vacuum to release the Radiant Energy from cathode, to follow wiring to spark plug. Georgia tech people hand crafted 2 relays that failed, and were also NOT used in vacuum. The first of 2 original inductors not needed any more , because of the supplied magnetic field of the S1R coil. I assumed the "Magic" was because of the internal Radiant Energy created, along with the required magnetic field from the other coil inside of sealed relay.
These 2 items were on my mind lately as the Inverter change, and Inductor change. My power supply as first testing will be used with 500Watt open board 20khz DC to DC converter , about 140volts DC. The toroid inductor in box, is for that power supply, as ferrite material is used for high frequency. I also have the 60 cycles low frequency sine wave type inverters , but still undecided on the appropriate inductor coil. For some items, you can save lots of money by bypassing E Bay + Amazon , by buying direct from China from AliExpress. We just have to wait 2-3 weeks delivery.
The 2008 Nathren + son Nathren mower engine demonstrations had the burned out green inverter box in background of video. Nathren had shorted it out, but never removed it for the videos. Since circuit requires 110v DC,, just like the car engines, there must be a smaller 300Watt inverter in rear hole of cement block. It was hidden, just as the plastic deli tub held several other parts away from prying eyes. Battery start. Battery removed. Crankshaft turns and turns alternator at idle speed. 13 magnets power all. The 2 alternators need bridge rectifier for about 15 amps max, for 5 amps S1R9A9M9 electromagnet coil and 9-10 amps for input to inverter. Self running Briggs 18HP engine, on salt water! (Hydrogen gas and ionized repulsive water vapor pressure )
The fuel gases come from the injection of 7 amps DC during the TDC zero to -neg 34 degrees 34% late timing as required with hydrogen engines. The approximate 1 amp AVERAGE DC is over the full cycle period. (110v DC at one average amp is output of Inverter secondary side. ) The flywheel then goes all around with no ignition for 66% time back to TDC.