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General Discussion / Re: Back to Basics
« Last post by Login to see usernames on November 21, 2024, 01:49:12 am »
Incidentally, a very small amount of electrolysis is actually needed as gas is needed to be produced at the beginning to change the resistivity of the WFC to allow higher reactance and in turn a higher voltage to be applied to the WFC.  So we are not blocking all current as massive was suggesting.  A very small amount is still needed to start the process.

Strange, I thought over the last few days I just did explain.   Just to also re emphasize, it is necessary to change the resistivity of the cell by replacing water with gas.  This can be done by starting off with electrolysis. Otherwise it will be too difficult to get the charge high enough.

I have a significant understanding of how the VIC works now.  Take some time to piece together what I've posted.
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Sebosfato / Re: Did you guys saw this?
« Last post by Login to see usernames on November 20, 2024, 04:21:39 am »

MUST join Fiat Uno forum = https://www.fiatforum.com/

Water ph. can corrode engine parts = electrolysis of different metals

All car mfg say to replace the head bolts = that's money.  But they do stretch when tightened, crazy

I have 1995 Toyota Rav4, good car. I have tightened head bolts on engines. You have to tighten bolts in ORDER/ sequence. Youtube shows examples
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General Discussion / Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Last post by Login to see usernames on November 20, 2024, 01:26:04 am »
I put together another handmade S1R9A9M9 electromagnet for use with Four amps current. My last other one was for 6 amps with different windings. The now current one is exactly like the original as per unusual winding method and like Megatran, with same original count of turns. Red white and blue just like our flag. It has variable inductance with pull core. Another one of my improvements. Nathren said a set up needed about 15 amps total. That would include the "smaller"  Inverter input 11 Amps + 4 Amps electromagnet. Ohms law step up transformer voltage ratio 1:10 as same as increase of input side power current. This was assuming the dual alternators type was not changed on his 18HP Briggs. He told me directly that his engine DIDN"T HAVE AN ALTERNATOR! All riding lawnmower engines have an alternator. He said he bought it new just for the 2008 videos to make. I saw lots of grime, dirt/dust on it in close up photos from years of use. The dual alternators type with red + black wires with bridge rectifier added to both sides produces about 15 volts DC at about 15 amps max capability.  PEAK current on bench oscilloscope set circuit as 7 amps, with proper resistance in series, with AVERAGE current over full cycle time as about 1.3amps at low duty cycle.     See photo electromagnet.

Later today, I also mounted a new starter motor on project Briggs 12HP engine. It was electrically insulated from engine block with plastic bolts and plastic washers. The battery ground cable mounted onto starter only. Separate needed connections will go on 2 mounted brass bus strips for plus and minus of battery wires power as needed. The Inverter box secondary side firing to spark plug will never burn out as shorted to battery through spark plug ground, as per many other people's previous disasters. The flywheel has proper MATCHING aluminum ring gear, along with proper MATCHING PLASTIC starter motor small gear. Plastic gear during contact cannot make any electrical connection. Verified with ohmmeter.  I'm always pushing forward.

I am also putting together P.W.M. so as can vary the output of Inverter final DC and KEEPING PEAK VOLTAGE THE SAME, while varying the current , wattage, and duty cycle on time. The 100 volts is necessary for the tiny electrodes of zero ohms spark plug. I didn't want to get into capacitor discharges , since they go in the realm of microseconds, not required milliseconds of spark plug.
 Sometime I will rewrite my poor drawings schematic diagram and send copy,  so as you can see my judgments for final circuit. It includes many diodes and 2 Dayton brand modified Inductors for 1.75millihenries. I also have for later tests, the 2 vacuum chambers hand made of magnets, spark gap, diodes and inductors.
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General Discussion / Re: Back to Basics
« Last post by Login to see usernames on November 19, 2024, 19:43:32 pm »
But why you believe that? Did you ever got any monster gas production in this condition or maybe amp restriction with some gas?

So far as long as I ever see only magnetic field could indeed interfere with the ions

Please explain what you mean … I understand of course whatever scientific term you use

Let’s try to get somewhere

I tried hard to find any changes in water resistance with lab view and got nothing for a long time

Do you have different results?
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General Discussion / Re: Back to Basics
« Last post by Login to see usernames on November 19, 2024, 14:08:36 pm »
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What make you believe that? and according to your perspective why would current get restricted?
You need to understand the difference between these two attached schematic diagrams and how V=IZ is applied to the VIC at resonance.

You have to understand what the problem actually is before you can understand how to design the VIC to solve it. 
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General Discussion / Re: Back to Basics
« Last post by Login to see usernames on November 19, 2024, 11:47:07 am »
What make you believe that? and according to your perspective why would current get restricted?

On my theory when current get restricted for example water have 220v backemf and I apply 200ma for example this result in at least44watts going in ( is just an example ) dis considering the resistance let’s say was 500ohm Woud cause hundred volts  drop consume for a total of 150w or so when ther is no energy acumulated applying 320v result in 640ma initially and when the restriction works it drops to 200ma

So this need a 200w power supply just to kick in the power and when it’s charged it drops to 144 (wrong ) because the restriction
(Correcting) I confused voltage for watts in this example actually this hundred volts on the 500ohm is consuming 20w so when “charged” in this example the power would drop to 64 w ! 20 for the resistance and 44 on the backemf
Again this is just an example so you can understand how it all relates in this idea

The resistance of bubbles would be linear increasing as the bubbles increase do you agree?

If the current is taken from a backemf the graph is exponential like Stan show the amp restriction graphs

Current = (vin - backemf) / ohms

The higher is the applied voltage the greater is the restriction because it’s resistance increases exponentially as energy get accumulated on the water cell in form of vibrations generation or if in for of induced electric

Like the piezo anti resonance it’s movement and deformation causes the bemf

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General Discussion / Re: Back to Basics
« Last post by Login to see usernames on November 19, 2024, 07:00:47 am »
Incidentally, a very small amount of electrolysis is actually needed as gas is needed to be produced at the beginning to change the resistivity of the WFC to allow higher reactance and in turn a higher voltage to be applied to the WFC.  So we are not blocking all current as massive was suggesting.  A very small amount is still needed to start the process.
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General Discussion / Re: Back to Basics
« Last post by Login to see usernames on November 19, 2024, 06:37:44 am »
When Meyer says he used voltage as potential energy and water as source of electrons it become evident that the cells together with this structure and fields can propagate potential thru the water tube but capture” current at the tips by using water as source of electrons

Another way of view it is you have two baths connected by a wire that goes to a grown inside each bath

Than each bath have a cell and they are connected like before in tandem with diodes shorting the cells

If we place this wire over the cooktop it will give the baths a voltage ac but the cells will use this ac potencial and drive current thru the diodes

In this case the propagation happen thru this grounds fluctuating by the wire

So the ground is receiving ac giving to each cell half reaction

If the ground is a catalyst it may help reducing the loss of potential there and it will probably heat up on this reaction

Heat is another form of energy that can cause voltage

Well the point is without this wire and grounds the induction is propagated thru water itself
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General Discussion / Re: Back to Basics
« Last post by Login to see usernames on November 19, 2024, 06:14:51 am »
Induction cooktop is perhaps the easier way to show

You need a two cells connected to each othe with two diodes Basicaly shorting the anode of one to the cathode of the other

Than connect this two cell with a tube and fill with water and place on the cooktop

It will show voltage on the ends

Now if we maybe match the frequency of the cooktop tank with the length perhaps we get a surprise

The tubes can be made with pvc connection for example a c shape over the cocktop and some curves to make the cells vertical and farther than the field so it won’t heat up the cells metals

If the electrodes are catalytic probably is better but than it need a membrane to separate the gases to impeded from recombining

Each cell this way should generate hydrogen and oxygen at their respective electrodes where the current flow

The potential however come from induction captured and propagated by the dielectric and cocnductive properties of water
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General Discussion / Re: Back to Basics
« Last post by Login to see usernames on November 19, 2024, 05:30:36 am »

I used to log in and keep an eye on Tektrical / electrotek. I guess people didn't pay much attention to him. He was investigating HV experiments, spark gaps, plasma etc. He was in his 70s, I guess he is no longer here. last log in Nov 2022. maybe Covid, maybe just time caught up.

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I wouldn't be interested in HV across water. Theoretically, H atom is 1 proton and 1 electron. Electrons are the same thing out of a battery.
X and Z is based on freq. R is constant; V and I vary. The sawtooth output is max HV and then decays to zero. The primary circuit has switched off, so cannot be damaged by the secondary.
I experiment with HV FBT and my interest is short circuits, which is V/R = I, the R stays constant. This is why I was interested in elecktrotek's experiments with neon light transformer etc. V moves electrons, remembering there is a HV diode. FBT don't need to be "resonant", it is one pulse at any time and Idle time in between.

I never thought to ask electrotek what he thought of Stan Meyers. I don't think he was following SM


I remember reading his posts about it

My impression is that Meyer hid so well his ideas behind citation of other patents

Like the tay he Han and the ultrasonic one…

Reading that and seeing other parents that cited it as well I started to think Meyer was far more intelligent than he wanted to seem

I mean he had that thing but would not show not even talk about what really make it work but did in such a manner that show so many things and parts that keep people right off from it…

In Hollywood films this is how they explore the ideas they show you one thing to get you amazed so they can literally talk shit and you are still thinking on the shiny thing you saw before

Meyer used this to hide the essentials while he could show lots of details

In my research on the ultrasonic patent he cited I came across the phenomenon of anti resonance in ultrasonic piezo

That is welding piezo are driven this way to keep it feed with high voltage and low current so when you apply pressure and change the resonance it than suck power in and weld plastics

The thing is that applying it to water become clear that the cell is simply a resonant cavity but also possibly a transducer

So if driven to certain condition it will acumulate energy and this energy work back generating a back emf that cuts current flow

The Vic is simply a transformer to push power to the cell but it will only work if the cell have the correct fields configuration “magnetic” and frequency

Without it is just a piece of metal that will never have any other result than electrolysis

This lead to another idea that I started on the past ten years that was the water coil

Where I tried to induce the high voltage by electromagnetic

However I used a long water line and a transformer instead of a resonant atestem so although I could get some voltage the water ends when connected to each other would result in zero current

So I designed other ways of doing it

All that because if we get te energy from inside out the voltage drop should be less of a problem for efficiency since it’s reversed so we would be using the electricity and the gas



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