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General Discussion / Re: Horvath Patents Allowed Engine To Run On Water Improved Electrolysis Efficiency
« Last post by Login to see usernames on November 04, 2025, 19:49:40 pm »


15 = negative terminal of battery, assumed to be LEAD
14 = positive terminal of battery, assumed to be LEAD


13 = earth or chassis, which is not LEAD
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General Discussion / Re: Horvath Patents Allowed Engine To Run On Water Improved Electrolysis Efficiency
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 30, 2025, 20:26:54 pm »

Russ, seriously, Good luck

I know you already know this. For anyone reading.

Q1 UJT for sawtooth output. RC timing
T1 thyristor gate
TR1 push pull transformer
Q3 Q4 push pull
TR2 transformer
13 earth
14 pos
15 neg

The gas at the end comes from the water molecule. Chemical additives is a personal choice.


A patent is a legal document and not instructional in any way.



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General Discussion / Re: Horvath Patents Allowed Engine To Run On Water Improved Electrolysis Efficiency
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 30, 2025, 17:37:41 pm »
Patent 3980053 Hydrogen generator was studied by me in great depth, quite a while back in time.  I had way earlier, typed out a 2  page corrections of minor errors and items involved , not necessary to add to car engine to run on hydrogen fuel . Fuel upon demand, no gaseous storage. Things were printed as too expensive or particular design manufacturing, to detour others from duplicating the system. I was already aware of these common inclusions in a $5000 Patent. This letter is to inform you of my recent solution to a section of Patent data PROBLEM that was missed by me earlier, as wrong on purpose AND DESIGNED IN,,, the Patent literature. I am presently building the Horvath power supply and water cell tank for duplication, as an average individual would do it without the up above parts/ designs not necessary, but including all of the important EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS as Horvath did. This project was on my mind for years, and quite similar to a beefed up Capacitor Discharge Ignition circuit, as used for powering an improved efficiency Electrolysis cell. He also took data from previous Patents of theirs and incorporated them in his design. It's really the amount of fuel generated, as important, not the efficiency of a power supply!

Here we go:-- A pulse energy into coil has a reverse flow back. The secondary side coil of a transformer follows the primary method the same, except for a ratio change of turns. There can be 60cycles or 20,000 cycles frequency or higher. In general, iron lamination sheets are used for lower frequency range, while Ferrite is on high frequency. As frequency increases, less turns are necessary on primary side. It makes it easier to wind on core. The Patent was correct in that on + off time is required for cell plates, as about/around 50% duty cycle, on the SECONDARY side transformer. This allows the stuck polarized ions to release and rise up in the solution. Horvath said to use iron laminations for TR2, as the secondary side receives what's called Positive Critical wave form as seen on Scope.( High frequency used on low frequency type core.) This was to get a DC pulse for making Hydrogen gas and WITHOUT A Rectifier which would cause loss of 40-70 Watts heat loss, reducing efficiency, the rectifier forward volts drop loss times the current 200amps. This inclusion in Patent was INTENTIONAL TO DETOUR others from duplicating the design as printed. NOT POSSIBLE to get sufficient Inductance in 100-300 microhenry range, at LOW turns,  as necessary with the associated capacitor, on iron laminations!!! Ferrite must be used for way higher inductance on low number to turns to be able to get 10:1 ratio for 22A going to 200 A, with heavy battery cable low turns secondary side of transformer.

All you have to do is put fast recovery high frequency diodes/ rectifier on primary side to stop the reverse wave form, on both sides!

The secondary side sees the same thing!!! I have Primary side  heatsink, with fast recovery stud diode as 1N3913 as 400v DC + 30amps (cathode stud) .
Secondary has wind of #6 gauge cable . The 2 ends hook to  TWO  short #6 ends coming from out side of tank using COPPER cable joint connector with large copper screw.

 My rectangle aquarium tank was made with 3/8" thick plates. Presently ordering #6 red cable and gauges. The separate plastic water safety container will have pop off rubber plug, microswitch shuts off oscillator capacitor ground connection, while the flashback arrester is hand made with brass tube and brass wool, and SS screens. KOH is hard to find. Water solution is done by weight of water + chemical together, as 25% and 75% for total weight solution together. You weight the tank with plates first, then determine water level and final total weight minus tank to get final water only with interior displacemrnt..  (Volume + weight will change in final solution to get 25%) See GrokAI.com . 

Past dc to ac Inverters had primary extra feedback wind , so as unit shuts down during SCR shorting with saturation of core. (self protection). The modern China 1000W Inverter has IC driven oscillator + needs new and different protection from burn out, during main MOSFET switch operation with it's separate gate oscillator. The method is to charge CDI capacitor through another MOSFET.  . Diode at capacitor then does the discharge through the main Mosfet to primary. and then other one way diode. The resistor going to gate of first Q, is ALSO in series with Drain of main MOSFET, so as NO SHORT.  First Q shuts off during cap discharge. Can also see book pages to see circuit done with earlier Bipolar transistor. and SCR. Add on circuit  was used earlier to raise up frequency of firing lasers. Build Your Own Laser, Phaser, Ion ray gun, And Other working space Age Projects. pages 33-36. Great stuff!  I have 3 copies.
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General Discussion / Re: Hydrogen Related Auto Engine Conversions And Other data
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 15, 2025, 21:09:00 pm »

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General Discussion / Re: Hydrogen Related Auto Engine Conversions And Other data
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 15, 2025, 12:25:35 pm »
Thats a lot of text in that beautifull old magazine....
On which page should i look?


Cheers!
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General Discussion / Re: Barry Hilton
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 09, 2025, 19:43:18 pm »

B Hilton was one of the few people to make contact with "Joe"
I sent email to B Hilton to ask who is still at it?  no reply so far.

Things were different for "Joe". The explosions he was demonstrating were not the usual that we experiment with, they were high pitch and different and I'm not surprised there are no replications. What works for one-person doesn't mean it will work for millions of others.

There are plenty of youtube vids of security guard Aaron Salter and others obviously using chem additive ans standard electrolysis. He appeared to be straight shooter as ex-cop.https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?&q=aaron+salter+car+on+hydrogen&&mid=B5E343ACB42ED4D1122AB5E343ACB42ED4D1122A&&FORM=VRDGAR
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General Discussion / Re: Barry Hilton
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 09, 2025, 10:55:56 am »
Hi Massive,

there are so many storys of water.
There are absolutely no replication reports of people running a Joe cell in their cars, only.
Thats sad.
Is Joe still alive?


regards
Steve
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General Discussion / Re: Hydrogen Related Auto Engine Conversions And Other data
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 09, 2025, 10:52:47 am »
Amazing stories back issue magazine Sept 1946 . make all the Hydrogen you want with small tesla coil , preset at 1.3Mhtz frequency into electrodes chamber of steam. . Vibrations break up the Bonds. Man ran his prop plane engine during 1940's. Waste exhaust heat boils water. Can use 12v DC diesel engine glow plug as a miniature electric heating element temporarily. Brase brass bushing to heat exchanger housing pipe.

Thats an interessting story! Is there any more info on this?

cheers!
Steve
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General Discussion / Barry Hilton
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 03, 2025, 02:58:02 am »
30 years ago Barry Hilton wrote about the 'Joe Cell' but he was involved with Ian Hacon and Nutech2000, the company that published the book about the Joe cell.
He's still alive and building hydrogen cells and motors.
He has videos on youtube.



Horvath and Joe cell
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