It appears all of my previous posts were lost so I will reiterate my thoughts and observations about where the current is coming from to split the water.
When JNL is talking about resonance, it is not the resonance of the water itself (although the water does play the role of a dielectric). It is the resonance between the inductor(bifilar chokes) and the capacitor(a dielectric between two conductors in this case being water between 2 tubes with the cathode insulated to create a water capacitor). Note also by definition the chokes and the stepup transformer act as capacitors as well. A dielectric( magnet wire insulation and air) between conductors (the copper coil windings). Not only is the water charging, the inductors are acting like capacitors and charging to a higher voltage as well.
When in resonance, the secondary circuit resonates at double the frequency of the primary (It would look similar to full wave rectified ac). The rise of the positive primary pulse produces a voltage in the secondary. When the primary pulse drops, another pulse is generated. The diode forces the second pulse to be positive. At resonance this essencially maintains a steady positive potential on the secondary part of the circuit allowing the inductors and capacitor to charge. Once the pulse train is stopped, the inductors release their charge into the capacitor and then the capacitor discharges from a high potential to low potential. The diode and the chokes prevent current flow so the charge is dissipated within the water itself in the form of Amps (electron cascade?). This effect is corroborated by Tom Beardon when he speaks of a degenerate semiconductor circuit (quoted below). So it appears Meyer is using the principle of unipolar positive pulses without current to charge a capacitor to achive overunity.
Dr. Lindeman describes it as a catastrophic dielectric failure within the WFC, where voltage potential is changed to AMPS. I disagree with the "catastrophic dielectric failure" part but I agree that the potential is changed to AMPS. Dielectric failure would imply a dead short taking the shortest path through the dielectric from one conductor to the other. Instead, this appears to be a longitudinal flow of current through the water, not a direct flow between conductors.
Quote from an email by Tom Beardon to JNL.
Another way of looking at the switched degenerate semiconductor circuit is that one charges it with voltage only, completely statically, with no j(phi) current permitted during "excitation" or "potentialization". One then switches the voltage source away, having drawn only potential from it and not power, and the circuit then changes itself and dissipates this excess "static" energy in the load, by automatically converting itself into a normal dynamic conducting circuit as the electrons "relax" and move as current.
Now the two (supposedly) most successful devices are Meyer's cell and Boyce's cell. Although they both produce overunity results, they appear to work in opposite manners and do not produce the same quantities and quality of of gas. JNL stated at resonance a sinificant amount of gas was being generated but the bubbles were very fine. Boyce states the gas production in his setup is so vigorous it looks like it is at a furious boil.
Meyer prevents current flow and extracts electrons using a unipolar positive high voltage field and breaks the water into gas. But due to the shortage of electrons, the gasses are most likely predominately diatomic hydrogen and oxygen. This may be why he uses laser injection to break the diatomic gases into monatomic gasses. They would not stay in monatomic form very long with the shortage of electrons. This is similar to the Hydrogen welding torch from the 1930's where H2 gas was passed thru a 300V AC arc between two tungsten electrodes to break it up into it's monatomic form where it would recombine on contact with the material being welded releasing a huge amount of heat in the process. It appears In both Meyer's and the Hydrogen welding torch setups, the gas has to be used immediately upon creation of monatomic form of the gas.
Conversely, Boyce allows current to flow and in addition applies a unipolar positive pulsed high voltage (but not as high as Meyer). Boyce has stated he believes the excess of electrons provided by the DC bias current, prevents the recombination of the gases from monatomic to diatomic form since the atoms have all of the electrons they need to be electrically neutral so they don't need to share any electrons with the other atoms. He commented that he had to switch from using SS tubing to plastic tubing between the cell and the LPG carb because he kept getting shocks whenever he touched the SS tubing. He attributed this to the excess of electrons present in the gas.
Now the part I like the most about Meyer's setup is the fact it does not need an electrolyte. That KOH or NaOH is nasty stuff to work with. If Meyer's cell blew up you would probably get wet, but if Boyce's popped, you would not olny get wet, you would be burned by the caustic electrolyte.
Now if you could separate the H2 from O2 coming out of Meyer's cell and pass the separated H2 thru an arc then it may be more viable. Once example of gas separation was in the Zach West Electrolyser design where he had a bubbler with a partial baffle and had electromagnets with steel cores on either side of the bubbler to pull the H2 away from the O2 as it passed thru the bubbler.
There are drawinga of Zach's bubbler/separator in Chapter 10 of Patrick Kelly's Practical Guide to Free-energy devices on pages 59, 62, 64, 70 and 71.
What would happen if the extracted diatomic gasses were passed thru a negative voltage field after it leaves Meyer's cell? Would they recombine into water or would they take on the extra electrons and separate into monatomic form?
Going back to Beardon's quote, if the pulse charged capacitor was switched to discharge into a regular electrolysys cell with an electrolyte, this would inherently be overunity electrolysys and you could also generate the H2 and O2 separately above their respective electrodes. If you charge the capacitors to high voltage, the discharge could be switched into a primary winding of a stepdown transformer amplifying the current and keeping the voltage low around 1.5V for a single large cell.
Combining the good parts of the different systems may work nicely.
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